22jumpstreet:


It was about future king Hezekiah.

Believe what you will...

It's not a matter of believing what I will. It's a matter of what the scriptures saysl.

22jumpstreet:


It was about future king Hezekiah.

Believe what you will...

It's not a matter of believing what I will. It's a matter of what the scriptures say.

FxMasterz:


It's not a matter of believing what I will. It's a matter of what the scriptures say.

Isaiah was referring to future king Hezekiah who was around 6 years old by that time..He was a son of King Ahaz, who was not a very likable king...

Just read the whole chapter, you will understand the context and it will make
sense to you
Moreover the Jews don't believe in virgins given birth, it is a Greek/Roman concept..

22jumpstreet:

Isaiah was referring to future king Hezekiah who was around 6 years old by that time..He was a son of King Ahaz, who was not a very likable king...

Just read the whole chapter, you will understand the context and it will make
sense to you
Moreover the Jews don't believe in virgins given birth, it is a Greek/Roman concept..

My friend, the future king Hezekiah was never called Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His kingdom had faded away, it is not everlasting. Or you didn't read that the kingdom of the Character prophesied in that verse was a kingdom whose peace has no end?

Please tell me how many parts of the chapter Hezekiah fulfilled for that scripture to have been fully fitted for Hezekiah. Even Hezekiah himself never saw himself as the fulfiller of that scripture.

FxMasterz:


My friend, the future king Hezekiah was never called Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His kingdom had faded away, it is not everlasting. Or you didn't read that the kingdom of the Character prophesied in that verse was a kingdom whose peace has no end?

Please tell me how many parts of the chapter Hezekiah fulfilled for that scripture to have been fully fitted for Hezekiah. Even Hezekiah himself never saw himself as the fulfiller of that scripture.

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Those are all attributes of God...the creator.
He is the one calling Hezekiah, the prince of peace...Isaiah will never use those terms for any man..read through his book. He never said that any where, even for Cyrus the king of persia..

If you read the book of kings, you will see it..I will show you the portion.

22jumpstreet:
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Those are all attributes of God...the creator.
He is the one calling Hezekiah, the prince of peace...Isaiah will never use those terms for any man..read through his book. He never said that any where, even for Cyrus the king of persia..

If you read the book of kings, you will see it..I will show you the portion.

Yes, they're the attributes of God. Isaiah wouldn't use it for any man except the Son who was given because that Son was God's Son. God manifested Himself on earth by putting on human flesh. Jews couldn't wrap their heads around this fact but the prophecy cannot be disputed. This is what Isaiah prophesied in clear language as you see in the screenshots attached:

FxMasterz:


Yes, they're the attributes of God. Isaiah wouldn't use it for any man except the Son who was given because that Son was God's Son. God manifested Himself on earth by putting on human flesh. Jews couldn't wrap their heads around this fact but the prophecy cannot be disputed. This is what Isaiah prophesied in clear language as you see in the screenshots attached:

Are you this dull ,sorry to say.

The child has already been given (born)when Isaiah was writing...this is simple English comprehension...there is no future terms there..it is in past continuous terms..

Common man...

Ok, show me where Jesus is called those names in the entire gospel stories..from Mathew to john..

I will wait.

22jumpstreet:


Are you this dull ,sorry to say.

The child has already been given (born)when Isaiah was writing...this is simple English comprehension...there is no future terms there..it is in past continuous terms..

Common man...

Ok, show me where Jesus is called those names in the entire gospel stories..from Mathew to john..

I will wait.

You're abusing me isn't it? Just for pointing out to you that Hezekiah never fulfilled any of the prophecy in that chapter? Why are you guys always allergic to the truth even when you cannot defend the lies you're telling? I only asked you to show me how Hezekiah fulfilled that prophecy in any way, your response is to insult me rather than show me why I must believe your lies?

Jesus was God in man's clothing, so as a man, how many people knew He was God to have called Him Mighty God? But when you see the life He lived, the words He spoke and His resurrection, you'll know who He was. Actually, by referring to Jesus as God, we do not mean the physical Jesus. The physical Jesus was fully man in His body, and fully God in His Spirit. Jesus told the Pharisees that "Before Abraham was, I am " Have you ever seen a man make such an assertion?

So, after His resurrection, Thomas referred to Him as 'My Lord and my God!" John 20:28.

In the Book of Revelation, where ever Jesus made an appearance in Heaven in His spiritual state, He was worshipped as God. He was called Alpha and Omega. He was called Lord of lords and King of kings. It was said of Him that "He shall reign forever and ever." Hezekiah is dead, and his kingdom is no more. His kingdom has no everlasting continuance."...Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end." Isaiah 9:7. Only the Messiah can fulfil this scripture. Hezekiah never fulfilled it. Stop deceiving yourself and stop getting angry at truth.

If you have any solid points to convince me otherwise, then bring forth your points without insults. I'm waiting.

FxMasterz:


You're abusing me isn't it? Just for pointing out to you that Hezekiah never fulfilled any of the prophecy in that chapter? Why are you guys always allergic to the truth even when you cannot defend the lies you're telling? I only asked you to show me how Hezekiah fulfilled that prophecy in any way, your response is to insult me rather than show me why I must believe your lies?

Jesus was God in man's clothing,¹ so as a man, how many people knew He was God to have called Him Mighty God? But when you see the life He lived, the words He spoke and His resurrection, you'll know who He was. Actually, by referring to Jesus as God, we do not mean the physical Jesus. The physical Jesus was fully man in His body, and fully God in His Spirit. Jesus told the Pharisees that "Before Abraham was, I am " Have you ever seen a man make such an assertion?

So, after His resurrection, Thomas referred to Him as 'My Lord and my God!" John 20:28.

In the Book of Revelation, where ever Jesus made an appearance in Heaven in His spiritual state, He was worshipped as God. He was called Alpha and Omega. He was called Lord of lords and King of kings. It was said of Him that "He shall reign forever and ever." Hezekiah is dead, and his kingdom is no more. His kingdom has no everlasting continuance."...Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end." Isaiah 9:7. Only the Messiah can fulfil this scripture. Hezekiah never fulfilled it. Stop deceiving yourself and stop getting angry at truth.

If you have any solid points to convince me otherwise, then bring forth your points without insults. I'm waiting.

you failed to provide where Jesus was called those things...

i don't want your opinion. Where was jesus called these title in your gospel.

so you did not still understand that the child was already born when Isaiah was writing. If the child is not Hezekiah he can never ever be your jman, because he was already born when Isaiah was writing..The person has to be the son of a king, because he is a prince, and the person will son assume the throne of David. so which of these did your jman belong?.

you are just something else.

That is what we all are. We are all Gods having a human experience. we are God spirit dwelling within a physical body made from dust. when we die, we go back being Gods spirit while our body is buried to become dust. comprende? ¹

Israel was unfaithful and broke the covenant, God YHWH withdrew his presence from Israel and punished the Jews (No king, no temple, no priesthood, no sacrifices)
Here is God’s decision after the end of the first temple period.
Hosea 3:4
For the children of Israel shall sit solitary many days without king, and without prince, and without sacrifice, and without pillar, and without ephod or teraphim;
So far, Israel is under punishment because all the signs of God presence are inexistent (King, temple, Priesthood, sacrifices).
This means that any person who claimed to be a messenger of God of Abraham after the end of the first temple period was liar, a fake messenger.

According to the New Testament scriptures… Jesus was born when Israel was under God’s punishment. The roman’s occupation was possible because God allowed it in order to punish the Jews.

According to Jacob (Genesis 49:10) … The Messiah (SHILOH) promised by God YHWH will be sent NOT TO ISRAEL, but to all peoples. So, the Jewish Messiah son of David (MASCHIAH) is also a Jewish fabrication.

The Romans relied on the false Jewish Messiah to create their JESUS CHRIST. The Arabs also relied on the false Christ to fabricate their MASIH.
Judaism( messianic), Christianity and Islam are all based on lies and idolatry.

FxMasterz:


You're abusing me isn't it? Just for pointing out to you that Hezekiah never fulfilled any of the prophecy in that chapter? Why are you guys always allergic to the truth even when you cannot defend the lies you're telling? I only asked you to show me how Hezekiah fulfilled that prophecy in any way, your response is to insult me rather than show me why I must believe your lies?

Jesus was God in man's clothing, so as a man, how many people knew He was God to have called Him Mighty God? But when you see the life He lived, the words He spoke and His resurrection, you'll know who He was. Actually, by referring to Jesus as God, we do not mean the physical Jesus. The physical Jesus was fully man in His body, and fully God in His Spirit. Jesus told the Pharisees that "Before Abraham was, I am " Have you ever seen a man make such an assertion?

So, after His resurrection, Thomas referred to Him as 'My Lord and my God!" John 20:28.

In the Book of Revelation, where ever Jesus made an appearance in Heaven in His spiritual state, He was worshipped as God. He was called Alpha and Omega. He was called Lord of lords and King of kings. It was said of Him that "He shall reign forever and ever." Hezekiah is dead, and his kingdom is no more. His kingdom has no everlasting continuance."...Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end." Isaiah 9:7. Only the Messiah can fulfil this scripture. Hezekiah never fulfilled it. Stop deceiving yourself and stop getting angry at truth.

If you have any solid points to convince me otherwise, then bring forth your points without insults. I'm waiting.

You are just flogging a dead horse, The child has already been born when Isaiah was writing. You have not countered that, all you keep doing is making conjectures...
Present your case like an adult...

22jumpstreet:


You are just flogging a dead horse, The child has already been born when Isaiah was writing. You have not countered that, all you keep doing is making conjectures...
Present your case like an adult...

Proof please. Show me the proof.

There were many children who were already born during isaiah's prophecy. Why is the child Hezekiah? How does that prophecy apply to Hezekiah?

Or should we just take your word for it. That must be because you're the one who wrote the Bible?

FxMasterz:


Proof please. Show me the proof.

There were many children who were already born during isaiah's prophecy. Why is the child Hezekiah? How does that prophecy apply to Hezekiah?

Or should we just take your word for it. That must be because you're the one who wrote the Bible?

Just a small video
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DB1JTb7qGwgI&ved=2ahUKEwjyy6ad0_GFAxU2aEEAHReYAi4Qz40FegQIDhAJ&usg=AOvVaw3az8PgCKtdrnMmAvC9TWe5

22jumpstreet:


Just a small video
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DB1JTb7qGwgI&ved=2ahUKEwjyy6ad0_GFAxU2aEEAHReYAi4Qz40FegQIDhAJ&usg=AOvVaw3az8PgCKtdrnMmAvC9TWe5

My friend, I'm not watching a video. It's simple, tell me how you'll prove that the chapter was talking about Hezekiah.

Please, I believe that the chapter is talking about the Messiah. If you say the chapter is talking about Hezekiah, then it also means that you believe the chapter is not messianic. So, there are two questions already:

1. Prove that the chapter is talking about Hezekiah.

2 Prove that the chapter is not messianic.

Meanwhile, I can prove to you that the chapter is not about Hezekiah. I can also prove to you that the chapter is messianic.

FxMasterz:


Proof please. Show me the proof.

There were many children who were already born during isaiah's prophecy. Why is the child Hezekiah? How does that prophecy apply to Hezekiah?

Or should we just take your word for it. That must be because you're the one who wrote the Bible?

2nd kings chapter 18-20

FxMasterz:


My friend, I'm not watching a video. It's simple, tell me how you'll prove that the chapter was talking about Hezekiah.

Please, I believe that the chapter is talking about the Messiah. If you say the chapter is talking about Hezekiah, then it also means that you believe the chapter is not messianic. So, there are two questions already:

1. Prove that the chapter is talking about Hezekiah.

2 Prove that the chapter is not messianic.

Meanwhile, I can prove to you that the chapter is not about Hezekiah. I can also prove to you that the chapter is messianic.

Read 2nd kings chapter 18-20.

Show me your own proofs

"1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah." Isaiah chapter 1 verse 1.

22jumpstreet:


2nd kings chapter 18-20

Please how does 2nd king 18 - 20 prove that the chapter is talking about Hezekiah.

Note: I have read the chapters several times without number, and I can't find a single proof that Isaiah 9:6 was a reference to Hezekiah.

FxMasterz:


Please how does 2nd king 18 - 20 prove that the chapter is talking about Hezekiah.

Note: I have read the chapters several times without number, and I can't find a single proof that Isaiah 9:6 was a reference to Hezekiah.

Read it again mate..

22jumpstreet:


Read 2nd kings chapter 18-20.

Show me your own proofs

"1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah." Isaiah chapter 1 verse 1.

He had the vision in the days of those kings. He didn't solely have the vision about them. Isaiah 1 to 66 were prophetic visions of Isaiah from the reign of Uzziah until the reign of Hezekiah. This only helps us to place the date and time when the prophecies were given, and not who the prophecies were about.

Read 2 Kings 18-20. Show me your own proofs

Of course 2 kings 18-20 is not a new passage to me. Now let me show you my proof in the absence of yours.

Let's look at the passage again:

Isaiah 9:6-7

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end."

1. For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,

The opening sentence here makes the child a special gift. Not just an ordinary child. A gift from God. "Unto us a child is given."

Now, in what sense could Hezekiah be regarded as a special child or a special gift from God? It was his mistake that prepared the ground for the Babylonian captivity of Israel (Isaiah 39:1-9). His child Manasseh and his grandson Amon were the most wicked kings Israel ever had.

2. and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Hezekiah was never called by these names or titles. These are God's names and titles. The titles were to be borne by a man upon whose shoulders the will government would be placed. The government is a human government by a man who is bearing God's names and titles. This makes it messianic.

3. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end.
The government has endless greatness and endless peace.

Hezekiah s government had none of this. There were turmoils during his reign. He didn't have endless greatness or endless peace. For someone to have endless greatness and peace, that person must be endless himself. Hence, an endless king is implied. Only the Messiah can be that endless King.

Even when Isaiah berated Hezekiah for opening his treasures to the Babylonian emissaries and told his the repercussion of his actions. What was his response?

Isaiah 39:5-8
"Then Isaiah said to Hezekiah, “Hear the word of the Lord Almighty: 6 The time will surely come when everything in your palace, and all that your predecessors have stored up until this day, will be carried off to Babylon. Nothing will be left, says the Lord. 7 And some of your descendants, your own flesh and blood who will be born to you, will be taken away, and they will become eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.”

8 “The word of the Lord you have spoken is good,” Hezekiah replied. For he thought, “There will be peace and security in my lifetime.”

He was satisfied as long as he had peace in his own days. He cared less if there was no peace in the days of his child! How can endless peace be attributed to such an one.

The passage is messianic and has no reference to Hezekiah at all.

FxMasterz:


He had the vision in the days of those kings. He didn't solely have the vision about them. Isaiah 1 to 66 were prophetic visions of Isaiah from the reign of Uzziah until the reign of Hezekiah. This only helps us to place the date and time when the prophecies were given, and not who the prophecies were about.

Believe what you want..

I have shown you that the child has already been born when Isaiah was writing it down...history says he was referring to king Hezekiah....who was about 6 years old.

I don't even know how it is referring to somebody who never even existed..it is way over me...

Whatever you choose to believe...

22jumpstreet:


Believe what you want..

I have shown you that the child has already been born when Isaiah was writing it down...history says he was referring to king Hezekiah....who was about 6 years old.

I don't even know how it is referring to somebody who never even existed..it is way over me...

Whatever you choose to believe...

You showed me nothing.

You proved nothing.

Only referring me to scriptures that proved nothing.

I have dissected the passage for you. You can then believe whatever you want after reading the truth.

FxMasterz:


He had the vision in the days of those kings. He didn't solely have the vision about them. Isaiah 1 to 66 were prophetic visions of Isaiah from the reign of Uzziah until the reign of Hezekiah. This only helps us to place the date and time when the prophecies were given, and not who the prophecies were about.




Of course 2 kings 18-20 is not a new passage to me. Now let me show you my proof in the absence of yours.

Let's look at the passage again:

Isaiah 9:6-7

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end.

1. For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,
How do you even comprehend English literature? Has the child not already been given(born) what are you even blabbing about?

The opening sentence here makes the child a special gift. Not just an ordinary child. A gift from God. "Unto us a child is given."

Now, in what sense could Hezekiah be regarded as a special child or a special gift from God? It was his mistake that prepared the ground for the Babylonian captivity of Israel (Isaiah 39:1-9). His child Manasseh and his grandson Amon were the most wicked kings Israel ever had.

2. and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Hezekiah was never called by these names or titles. These are God's names and titles. The titles were to be borne by a man upon whose shoulders the will government would be placed. The government is a human government by a man who is bearing God's names and titles. This makes it messianic.

3. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end.
The government has endless greatness and endless peace.

Hezekiah s government had none of this. There were turmoils during his reign. He didn't have endless greatness or endless peace. For someone to have endless greatness and peace, that person must be endless himself. Hence, an endless king is implied. Only the Messiah can be that endless King.

Even when Isaiah berated Hezekiah for opening his treasures to the Babylonian emissaries and told his the repercussion of his actions. What was his response?

Isaiah 39:5-8
"Then Isaiah said to Hezekiah, “Hear the word of the Lord Almighty: 6 The time will surely come when everything in your palace, and all that your predecessors have stored up until this day, will be carried off to Babylon. Nothing will be left, says the Lord. 7 And some of your descendants, your own flesh and blood who will be born to you, will be taken away, and they will become eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.”

8 “The word of the Lord you have spoken is good,” Hezekiah replied. For he thought, “There will be peace and security in my lifetime.”

He was satisfied as long as he had peace in his own days. He cared less if there was no peace in the days of his child! How can endless peace be attributed to such an one.

The passage is messianic and has no reference to Hezekiah at all.

FxMasterz:


You showed me nothing.

You proved nothing.

Only referring me to scriptures that proved nothing.

I have dissected the passage for you. You can then believe whatever you want after reading the truth.

When Isaiah said those words, the child has already been born..

How old are you self?

Hope I am not talking to a JSS 2 student. Because if you have even written junior WAEC you would not reason like that.

22jumpstreet:


When Isaiah said those words, the child has already been born..

How old are you self?

Hope I am not talking to a JSS 2 student. Because if you have even written junior WAEC you would not reason like that.

Did Isaiah mention that the child was Hezekiah?

There were many children who were already born. How exactly did the prophecy apply to Hezekiah of all the children born at the time?

Hope I am not talking to a JSS 2 student. Because if you have even written junior WAEC you would not reason like that.

22jumpstreet:


1. For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,
How do you even comprehend English literature? Has the child not already been given(born) what are you even blabbing about?

That's how prophecies are given in present tense at times. Sometimes even in past tenses! Are you new to the scriptures! There are many prophecies in scripture like that.

This is another future prophecy that was made in past tense!

"But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed." ~ Isaiah 53:5 NKJV

Isaiah was particularly known for giving his prophecies this way. Infact, the whole of Isaiah 53 was written this way, and there wasn't any contemporary human Isaiah was referring to at the time of that prophecy.

So, you ignored every other part of the prophecy which Hezekiah didn't fulfil just because the prophecy was made in present tense? SMH.

FxMasterz:


That's how prophecies are given in present tense at times. Sometimes even in past tenses! Are you new to the scriptures! There are many prophecies in scripture like that.

This is another future prophecy that was made in past tense!

"But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed." ~ Isaiah 53:5 NKJV

Isaiah was particularly known for giving his prophecies this way. Infact, the whole of Isaiah 53 was written this way, and there wasn't any contemporary human Isaiah was referring to at the time of that prophecy.

So, you ignored every other part of the prophecy which Hezekiah didn't fulfil just because the prophecy was made in present tense? SMH.

You really need to sit down so that I can cure you from your brain washing..

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant...The servant is suffering because of what they where doing to him. In Isaiah 45:1-7 and in Seven other places Isaiah already told you who the servant is....read it and get sense...

A child that has already been born will be born in the future...

Did you even finish secondary school?

https://www.nairaland.com/6612275/isaiah-53-why-suffering-servant

https://www.nairaland.com/7906030/isaiahs-prophesy-messiah-virgin-birth

22jumpstreet:

You really need to sit down so that I can cure you from your brain washing..

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant...The servant is suffering because of what they where doing to him. In Isaiah 45:1-7 and in Seven other places Isaiah already told you who the servant is....read it and get sense...

A child that has already been born will be born in the future...

Did you even finish secondary school?

https://www.nairaland.com/6612275/isaiah-53-why-suffering-servant

https://www.nairaland.com/7906030/isaiahs-prophesy-messiah-virgin-birth

My God!

How on earth is Cyrus the suffering servant? In what way did Cyrus suffer?

1. How was Cyrus bruised for anyone's iniquity?

2. How was Cyrus wounded for anyone's sins?

3. How was the chastisement of anyone's peace laid on Cyrus?

4. How did we esteem Cyrus smitten of God and afflicted?

5. How did Cyrus take away anyone's sorrow or pains?

6. How the visage of Cyrus changed so that he had not beauty for anyone to desire him?

7. How was Cyrus cut off the earth for anybody's iniquity?

8. How did Cyrus make his soul a sacrifice for sin and saw his generation afterwards?

9. How was Cyrus led to the slaughter like a sheep dumb before its shearers?

10. How did God lay upon Cyrus "The inquity of us all."

Or should I start dissecting the entire Isaiah 53 to make you see how Cyrus didn't fulfil that too?

This is spiritual blindness of a very high order!

FxMasterz:


My God!

How on earth is Cyrus the suffering servant? In what way did Cyrus suffer?

1. How was Cyrus bruised for anyone's iniquity?

2. How was Cyrus wounded for anyone's sins?

3. How was the chastisement of anyone's peace laid on Cyrus?

4. How did we esteem Cyrus smitten of God and afflicted?

5. How did Cyrus take away anyone's sorrow or pains?

6. How the visage of Cyrus changed so that he had not beauty for anyone to desire him?

7. How was Cyrus cut off the earth for anybody's iniquity?

8. How did Cyrus make his soul a sacrifice for sin and saw his generation afterwards?

9. How was Cyrus led to the slaughter like a sheep dumb before its shearers?

10. How did God lay upon Cyrus "The inquity of us all."

Or should I start dissecting the entire Isaiah 53 to make you see how Cyrus didn't fulfil that too?

This is spiritual blindness of a very high order!

The suffering servant is Israel...I am not sure if you are an slowpoke or not, I don't know what to think again..

22jumpstreet:

The suffering servant is Israel...I am not sure if you are an slowpoke or not, I don't know what to think again..

Indeed you're a slow spoke.

This was your post below:

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant...The servant is suffering because of what they where doing to him. In Isaiah 45:1-7 and in Seven other places Isaiah already told you who the servant is....read it and get sense...

Here above, you said Isaiah told us who he was talking about in Isaiah 45:1-7

This is Isaiah 45:1-7

[b]"This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut: I will go before you and will level the mountains; I will break down gates of bronze and cut through bars of iron. I will give you hidden treasures, riches stored in secret places, so that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who summons you by name. For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen, I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things."[/b]

Now, tell us how this above scripture you quoted was talking about Israel, and prove to us that you're not a slow spoke.

FxMasterz:


Indeed you're a slow spoke.

This was your post below:



Here above, you said Isaiah told us who he was talking about in Isaiah 45:1-7

This is Isaiah 45:1-7

[b]"This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut: I will go before you and will level the mountains; I will break down gates of bronze and cut through bars of iron. I will give you hidden treasures, riches stored in secret places, so that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who summons you by name. For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen, I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things."[/b]

Now, tell us how this above scripture you quoted was talking about Israel, and prove to us that you're not a slow spoke.

Did you see the place I underlined?

The eye is blind if the mind is closed..

Jacob(Israel) is God's servant...

He is the one one suffering in Isaiah 53.


Just like saying Nigeria is suffering...

22jumpstreet:


Did you see the place I underlined?

The eye is blind if the mind is closed..

That chapter was not talking about Israel, Ogbeni!

Is that how you did your English comprehension in School.

The place you underlined was a statement directed to Cyrus, saying "The God of Israel who summons YOU for the sake of Jacob my servant". All the words in that chapter from verse 1 -7 were directed at Cyrus. How exactly was the chapter about Israel? Just because God told Cyrus that He is summoning him to help restore the captivity of Jacob?

And for your information, Israel at the time of Cyrus were suffering for their own sins. After being forewarned by many prophets to no avail. They were being justly punished for their inquiries.

The suffering servant of Isaiah 53 depicted a sinless personality, humble and chaste who made Himself the sacrificial lamb for the sins of others - not for His own sins.