Every Catholic member has the entire wherewithal available to him or her to make heaven. We have Jesus Christ present at the Blessed Sacrament, we receive Him everyday, it is not symbolic, it’s real Jesus, and He dwells in us each time we receive Him. What a privilege! Those who rejected Christ teaching on His Real Body and Blood withdrew from Him from the beginning and we still have such people today who have continued to doubt the same Christ teaching in John Chapter 6. It is only Catholics that have adhered strictly to this teaching and have not withdrawn from following the Living God.

Catholics worship only the Living God, while only Honour (and not worship) is given to Mary - the Holy Mother of our Saviour.

We also have the Sacrament of Penance instituted by Christ Himself in John 20:19-23, there Christ appeared to His disciples and greeted them “Peace be with you, as the Father has sent Me, I also send you, He breathed on them and said Receive the Holy Spirit, if you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them, if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” With this, every Catholic can have Perfect Contrition; genuinely Confess his or her sin, Penance given, Indulgence followed and Satisfaction which is sincerely doing the Penance given by the Priest. Regrettably, Satan has continued to dissuade the easy deceived ones that it is wrong to confess their sins to Priests probably to add more souls to his blazing agony. Thank God for the truth in Catholic Church, the Pillar and Foundation of truth.

It should also be taken into consideration that no portion of the scripture itself teaches that the Bible is the only source of our authority or fact or information.

The word of God must be followed entirely and not in part, whole must be involved, take away part you miss everything. Jesus Christ and His Apostles handed some Traditions to “One” Church that can trace its origin to the time of the Apostles (Catholic Church founded by Christ Himself and not “Two” Church) 1 Timothy 3:15. This very portion says; conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the Church, the Pillar and foundation of Truth. The bible didn’t write itself, it was written by the Church (Catholic) to help and guide us, but it does not contain every truth as last Chapter of John 21:25 put it, “there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

The above verse was supported by II Thessalonians 2:15, it says “Brethren stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word (orally) or our epistle (written) – Note by orally. So, Catholics have been accused often time of following some traditions which most people ignorantly believed to have not been in bible, but we often ask them if they have not come across the above Chapter in Thessalonians. We have also asked them many times without answer - to show us where it is written that the bible is the only source of our facts or information or authority.

Consequent upon the above, I’m begging, please, we need only Catholics in this forum and you are required to share your experience being a Catholic, how pretty you see Catholic doctrines – pointing the lives of the saints and encourage other Catholics who may want to join any society in the Church. Also as a Catholic, if you have any question(s) you can ask, and any Catholic in this forum can respond to it. However, if you are not satisfied with the answers, go and ask your Parish Priest, no debate here.

Ebos also need your prayers, at least Three Hail Mary, One Glory be to God, and One Our Father. If you have any other prayers to refer me to, please do so. I have seriously been lacking behind for three years now. We can also pray for ourselves while asking the Saints, the Angels and our Mother Mary to join and pray for us all.

Seun, do you want to proscribe for two months any person who try to deride our Catholic belief(s) in this forum? Think of it hence it is only Catholics needed. Please, Protestants don’t get me wrong –war of words lead us no where.

Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary

ebos :

Every Catholic member has the entire wherewithal available to him or her to make heaven. We have Jesus Christ present at the Blessed Sacrament, we receive Him everyday, it is not symbolic, it’s real Jesus, and He dwells in us each time we receive Him.

That was why you people where burning people who deared to declare that it is only symbolic at stakes earlier abi? God will avenge the blood of those people.

There is somthing i'm not getting: you say it is the flesh and blood of the 'real Jesus' abi? So why do you people then still commit sin after taken it? You know Jesus never sinned, so if you eat his life body, he livs in you and therefore you cannot sin again. If you drank his 'real' blood, and since the blood of a being is its life according to the scriptures, you should not be able to sin again because his 'real' blood now flows through your veins. So why don't you people suddenly become 'superhuman'? i.e. sinless like Jesus? Or is my analogy not correct?

Oh! Probably, the bread will digest and the blood too will dissolve and then your 'superhumanly attributes will dissolve too abi ?. (_{Is my analogy okay Or wetin i dey talk sef? )} May be its like this: when you eat "Jesus" during the eucharist, you will 'behave' like Jesus in the 15 minutes the food is your body and after that you are somebody els entirely after the thing don digest! _{Oh my God! I hope i am getting myself}. Okay, guys, lt me know exactly the import of 'Jesus' in you when you 'eat' him please!

ebos :

What a privilege! Those who rejected Christ teaching on His Real Body and Blood withdrew from Him from the beginning and we still have such people today who have continued to doubt the same Christ teaching in John Chapter 6. It is only Catholics that have adhered strictly to this teaching and have not withdrawn from following the Living God.

Do you know why those people ran away? They thought Jesus was referring to his real body and blood! They could not understand that Jesus was not referring to his real flesh to mak cannibals out of us! You can start another thread to hav the full meaning of the communion exposed to you. For your info, we do not become members of the body of Christ by participating in the communion. We become his brothers and sisters (spiritual family) by doing the pleasing Christ of God. See Mat. 12 : 49

ebos :

Catholics worship only the Living God, while only Honour (and not worship) is given to Mary - the Holy Mother of our Saviour.

She is no longer Jesus's mother. You probably think that she will be carrying the appellation mother of God in heaven abi? You only deceive yourselves. Who tells you that there is a special place for her in heaven. She is like one of the other saints in biblical times.

ebos :

Regrettably, Satan has continued to dissuade the easy deceived ones that it is wrong to confess their sins to Priests probably to add more souls to his blazing agony. Thank God for the truth in Catholic Church, the Pillar and Foundation of truth.

Hold it there bros ebos! That's why you guys have subjected yourselves to some srange dcotrines like if your priests tells you to do something wrong, you shall not be held liable because it is in obedience to the instruction of the priests abi? Even your popes have severally acknowldge this. Its a pity: LICENSE TO SIN Ebos, DO you also know that in the RCC, you are permitted to commit a lesser sin in as much as the lesser sin being committed will prevent you from committing a gretaer sin? Which doctrine is that ? Christs? You know its not from Christ but from the pits of hell!

Come to think of it: i know very much ebos that you (ebos) can lie under oath! Are you asking why? Why not? This is how it works: (_{i know you know this sha}) In as much as you hav confessed to the priests during the confessionals, you can go to a law court and tell a lie as a witness because sinc you hav 'confessed' to the priest, 'it is no longer there'. Kai! See doctrine o my God!

ebos :

It should also be taken into consideration that no portion of the scripture itself teaches that the Bible is the only source of our authority or fact or information.

No wonder. You have finnaly hit it on th head. So the verse which says that 'nothing should be removed or added to the scripture is of no effct with catholics abi? Una weldone. So you guys have other sources of truth. Well since it is not from Jesus, it could not have being inspired by the Holy Spirit and since it is not from the Holy Spirit, it must be from demons!

ebos :

, it was written by the Church (Catholic) to help and guide us, but it does not contain every truth as last Chapter of John 21:25 put it, “there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

It is written by you people abi? Yet what you have written condemns you. You have set traps for yourselves and are falling into it! Now tell us some of those things Jesus did (outside the pages of the bible now) that supports Mariolatory, where he said Mary (not him) is the Savior of Rome (_{shakes head}) and where he bowed down to Mary. Oya bring them on and shoot yourself in the foot!

If it was written by the Holy Ghost, it will not contradict the wordings/workings of Jesus because God is not a God of confusion that you guys would want us to believe here.

ebos :

The above verse was supported by II Thessalonians 2:15, it says “Brethren stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word (orally) or our epistle (written) – Note by orally. So, Catholics have been accused often time of following some traditions which most people ignorantly believed to have not been in bible, but we often ask them if they have not come across the above Chapter in Thessalonians. We have also asked them many times without answer - to show us where it is written that the bible is the only source of our facts or information or authority.

That is where the prolem lies. By doing this, you have opened a very gap to the machinations of men to infiltrate your doctrines with strange teachings. NO wonder! Because you do not depnd o the bible, you are forced to accept what one man taught or even what the devil has passed down 'orally'. Dont you know that what is not protected is abused? Your popes and priests from the very founders (not Peter) have put man-mad doctrines in there. Peter was married so where all the other Apostles. Instead you mandated celibacy (another strange and decietful doctrine). Man-made! Your openess to 'other sources' of truths have caused your leaders to err! They are dragging you along to the pits

ebos :

Consequent upon the above, I’m begging, please, we need only Catholics in this forum and you are required to share your experience being a Catholic, how pretty you see Catholic doctrines

It is not a sin if i intrude. I got to this portion before i ssaw it! Sorry anyway! You can't delete it!

Hi cgift,

I've enjoyed your rejoinders to a great extent - especially the one on Leviticus 12 that clearly demonstrates Mary was not without sin. That was excellent - and I would like to 'obtain' copyright permission to use your ideas in expounding on that subject later on.

However, I'd also like to beg you bros. . . small-small for them big brother Catholics. We don't want them to feel we deliberately launch our reponses at them to taunt their convictions. As we share Biblical truths with, and invite them to discuss (if and when they might be willing), then we might make 'em see more readily why our basic premise is for them to go back to God's WORD instead of setting their hopes on the traditions which they have not been to soundly defend.

Grace to you, my bros. . . more intelligence to you.

pilgrim.1 :

Hi cgift,

I've enjoyed your rejoinders to a great extent - especially the one on Leviticus 12 that clearly demonstrates Mary was not without sin. That was excellent - and I would like to 'obtain' copyright permission to use your ideas in expounding on that subject later on.

Expressly granted my sis. ;DNo wahala. Infact write a book on it

pilgrim.1 :

However, I'd also like to beg you bros. . . small-small for them big brother Catholics. We don't want them to feel we deliberately launch our reponses at them to taunt their convictions. As we share Biblical truths with, and invite them to discuss (if and when they might be willing), then we might make 'em see more readily why our basic premise is for them to go back to God's WORD instead of setting their hopes on the traditions which they have not been to soundly defend.

Grace to you, my bros. . . more intelligence to you.

Pilgrim! You don dey bend? notin like small small o The kindom of heaven as bible talk am suffereth violence . TNo be physical violence i dey call for o. Dis one na cyber-violence! Me i go yearn like 'elDee talk for hin song'.

Okay, not to worry. I will relax a bit and be more subtle in my rejoinders.

Cheers!

@cgift,

cgift:

Expressly granted my sis. ;DNo wahala. Infact write a book on it

Blessed be the fruit of your mother's womb o jaré! She also shall be called "blessed among women". Thank you very plenty!

cgift:

Pilgrim! You don dey bend? notin like small small o The kindom of heaven as bible talk am suffereth violence . TNo be physical violence i dey call for o. Dis one na cyber-violence! Me i go yearn like 'elDee talk for hin song'.

Hehe. . . lol, I no bend at all. I stand straight and dey kampé.

cgift:

Okay, not to worry. I will relax a bit and be more subtle in my rejoinders.

Cheers!

Again, blessed be thou and all thine household - blessed shall they be among all the families of the earth, and heaven shall rejoice on account of what Jesus has done for them!

pilgrim.1:

@cgift,

Blessed be the fruit of your mother's womb o jaré! She also shall be called "blessed among women".
Again, blessed be thou and all thine household - blessed shall they be among all the families of the earth, and heaven shall rejoice on account of what Jesus has done for them!

thundering AMEN!!!!!!!

may God continue to hear our prayers, ebos, viee, soldee and all others.

do you know i went to confession today.

pls all continue to pray for my special intention abeg una make una no forget oh!

thanks a million.

God bless you all.

Carlosein:

may God continue to hear our prayers, ebos, viee, soldee and all others.

do you know i went to confession today.

please all continue to pray for my special intention abeg una make una no forget oh!

thanks a million.

God bless you all.

[b]Carlos, [/b]me i fit join in the prayers?

@Carlosein

Whatever the intention is, be rest assured that the Lord has taken control in Jesus name.
But all he needs from you is that faith, confidence, assurance, conviction that it has been done.
Any living faith must operate in lively hope 1 peter 1:3

Faith moves the mountain that seems immovable;
Never doubt (rebuke every doubt in you),
Be obedient to God
Humble yourself
Give weakness no chance - remind God of his promises
Command those point to come into existence - there is power in the tongue

@Carlosein and Oby1

In fact, these people their wahala too much - I saw some Catholic threads and opened them, but I had to do back turn on seeing some usernames. Let them create a separate thread for fun and invite us – I believe we will blend with them well.

Oby, i love you!!!!
Carlosein, thank God for you!!!!
i pray along with you knowing that prayer changes things
i have to say, coming to this thread today has done something special in my life. . .  . .

Glory to Jesus
Honour to Mary


much love guyzzzzzzzzzz

once again, God bless you guys.

may the grace and peace of God our Father remain with each and everyone of us through the unfailing and efficacious intercession of the Mother of God most holy, Amen.

ebos:

@Carlosein and Oby1

In fact, these people their wahala too much - I saw some Catholic threads and opened them, but I had to do back turn on seeing some usernames. Let them create a separate thread for fun and invite us – I believe we will blend with them well.

Dont worry. We are with you till the end of ,

Hi morning to all,

Are you amazed Cgift? You and Pilgrim dey wahala a little no be lie. Dey say dem go drop cappuccino or aspirin for Catholics. I have taken permission from God today. I hope the day will be nice for all of us (Catholics and Protestants – one Christian).

It is not the victory of an opinion which is at stake, but a humble quest of God’s wishes in the thread. Our Holy mother Mary will continue to pray for us all. When I was a kid, my mum used to ask us the prizes you came home with after any bible class. It wasn’t enough to say you attended bible class without showing evidence that would prove you were really there. The evidence was the prize they used to give those that answered questions. Without the prize, you must be in trouble. One, they would say, you didn’t attend or you were playing and failed to listen.

If we kill ourselves here and disregard the focal point - why we are Christians – to me, it’s a colossal loss of souls. No debate - we only want to hear any good thing about Catholic Church that will lead to deifying the living God.

ebos said 'It should also be taken into consideration that no portion of the scripture itself teaches that the Bible is the only source of our authority or fact or information.'

My question is what happens when there is a conflict between what the bible says and what these other sources of authority/fact/information says?

lafile:

ebos said 'It should also be taken into consideration that no portion of the scripture itself teaches that the Bible is the only source of our authority or fact or information.'

My question is what happens when there is a conflict between what the bible says and what these other sources of authority/fact/information says?

Are you a Catholic who want to know or you want to debate? Let me know first.

I just want to understand.

Hi @ebos,

Please forgive me for breaking my rule - I silently promised myself earlier that I would not be here to post anything, even though you had again made so many untrue assertions. The one thing that brought me here was to appeal to my very good brother cgift that he be gentle with you. I can understand how hard it is for anyone who loves God's WORD to be mute in the face of obvious fallacies - unless the person loves to betray the cause of Christ. And cgift would not be a sell-out to falsehood by allowing your untrue assertions to hold the day.

Nonetheless, here are a few things to reflect on:

ebos:

Are you amazed Cgift? You and Pilgrim dey wahala a little no be lie. Dey say them go drop cappuccino or aspirin for Catholics. I have taken permission from God today. I hope the day will be nice for all of us (Catholics and Protestants – one Christian).

Lol - I think it's going to be good for us all, as long as we endeavour to be objective and honest with God's TRUTH.

ebos:

It is not the victory of an opinion which is at stake, but a humble quest of God’s wishes in the thread. Our Holy mother Mary will continue to pray for us all. When I was a kid, my mum used to ask us the prizes you came home with after any bible class. It wasn’t enough to say you attended bible class without showing evidence that would prove you were really there. The evidence was the prize they used to give those that answered questions. Without the prize, you must be in trouble. One, they would say, you didn’t attend or you were playing and failed to listen.

May God bless your mother and may the nations also call her "blessed among women".  I'm serious about that prayer! From that above, I can see you have a very good mother - who encourages her children to LISTEN to God's WORD by "showing evidence" that they did so.

Is that not what we have been asking you and others to do? At least, I appreciate you for making concerted efforts to discuss with us from the Bible. We may not agree with our persuasions - and we know why we do not: because Catholics would rather exalt the RCC tenets above the Bible; and Protestants are saying "sola scriptura".

Now, it is interesting that the analogy you gave just about holds this very point so well. We are seeking God's truth as revealed in the Bible; and good mothers are more interested in whether or not their children have been "listening" to the Bible in "Bible classes".  

ebos:

If we kill ourselves here and disregard the focal point - why we are Christians – to me, it’s a colossal loss of souls. No debate - we only want to hear any good thing about Catholic Church that will lead to deifying the living God.

Em. . . ebos dearie, I have serious problems with that last line.

(a) First, if the Catholic Church had presented herself with Biblical integrity, there'll be very many things to say. But what does her history prove, even though up until now Catholics still disregard God's WORD with impunity just so they want to hear "good things" about the RCC?

(b) Second, how do you think you could "DEIFY" the living God? I guess you meant to say "GLORIFY" instead. To "deify" Him is to make Him God - whereas, He is ALREADY God!  Okay, we all make such small slips; but please try and correct it ASAP.

On the whole, make we continue to discuss - no shakings for pilgrim.1  .

@lafile,

lafile:

My question is what happens when there is a conflict between what the bible says and what these other sources of authority/fact/information says?

This is precisely why I engage Catholics in discussions. We all know that it is on record the Catholic Church "no longer swears by the truth of the Bible". The one thing we see repeatedly coming from the Vatican is that the Bible be relegated to an inferior pedestal while "Catholcism" dominates the Christian Faith. Period.

The bible does not contradict itself but the way individuals understand and interpret it makes it look as if the written contexts contradict the oral traditions.

@ebos,

ebos:

Are you a Catholic who want to know or you want to debate? Let me know first.

Why does a simple question require the password of whether or not someone is a "Catholic" before you provide answers? I think this is really confirming the FACT that Catholics care less about "Christianity" than they do about "Catholicism".  It's like saying: "If it's Christianity, damn it! But if it's CATHOLICISM, then die for it!" You guys should please wake up from this attitude of predicating everything you do on the basis of whether or not someone is "a Catholic" - is it morally wrong.

@ebos,

ebos:

The bible does not contradict itself but the way individuals understand and interpret it makes it look as if the written contexts contradict the oral traditions.

True talk - the Bible does not contradict itself. However, we know that Catholic doctrines in MANY respects contradict the Bible. Yes or No?

Pilgrim

Capital NO

@Ebos

This prayer is for you and others who needs strength to move on.

Prayer for Trust in Jesus    



O Christ Jesus,
when all is darkness
and we feel our weakness and helplessness,
give us the sense of Your presence,
Your love, and Your strength.
Help us to have perfect trust
in Your protecting love
and strengthening power,
so that nothing may frighten or worry us,
for, living close to You,
we shall see Your hand,
Your purpose, Your will through all things. Amen


St. Ignatius of Loyola

To Mature In Our Walk


Father, I'm praying for myself and others (Ebos, Carlosein, Vies, Orobo 50cl, Pilgrim.1, Cgift and others that i can't remember now) in my circle of family and friends to become increasingly mature in Christ,

Some have been content not to grow. They've continued to live as infants in Christ, settling for the milk of the Word, not ready to move on to solid food—sometimes for years. Forgive them and change them; help them be willing to grow, to become more mature in their walk, their understanding, and their application of Your Word. (1 Corinthians 3:2; Hebrews 5:12-14)

Help all of us to see wonderful things in Your Word and be eager to live by Your rules, not ours. Direct our steps according to the Word; let no sin rule over us. (Psalm 119:18, 9, 133) Give us a genuine desire to grow beyond simple, elementary truth, becoming strong in our understanding, as we should. (Hebrews 6:1–3)

Grant us perseverance so we'll not only begin but continue to grow in Christ, so one day we'll be complete and not lack anything. Help us count the cost of time and energy and be willing to pay the price. (James 1:4; Luke 14:28)

May we choose to grow spiritually. In Jesus' name, amen.

Jesus Provides, Mary intercedes.

1.

pilgrim.1:

@ebos,

True talk - the Bible does not contradict itself. However, we know that Catholic doctrines in MANY respects contradict the Bible. Yes or No?

ebos:

Pilgrim

Capital NO

Was that supposed to be a personal outburst or a FACT that is yet to be discovered, ebos?  

ebos:

Pilgrim

Capital NO

Really? I find it unscriptural that the catholic clergy (those who want to serve in God's house) should be forcd into celibacy.

@Pilgrim,

You know, I don’t have problem with you at all. My Capital No is from my heart – just to let you know my real position for your question. It is not an outburst. Pilgrim, just get me. I’m not like that.

We are good friends –only that I don’t want to debate.

Cheers

lafile:

Really? I find it unscriptural that the catholic clergy (those who want to serve in God's house) should be forced into celibacy.

Na so we go de y go until this thread reach 17 pages again o. .

ebos:

Pilgrim

Capital NO

how can? what of bowing down to Mary? Wher is it in the bible you use (not the one i use o). Does it not contradict? Or probably that was passed down through oral traditions ? I beg for answers please.

ebos :

You know, I don’t have problem with you at all. My Capital No is from my heart – just to let you know my real position for your question. It is not an outburst. Pilgrim, just get me. I’m not like that.

We are good friends –only that I don’t want to debate.

Cheers

You never sabi. You must debate this one o. The dead body wey you bury, the lg still dey show for outside. You never bury am well.

@ Oby1,

I have been copying those prayers – I really love those them. It’s being quite a long time I have not heard such prayers or gathered together with my old friends to recite them. I have taken a lot of prayers posted here. I did pray some of it last night with a friend who joined me.

Thanks a lot – I need more of it.

@ebos,

Shé you see why I delay my response - so that others would be able to say for themselves whether or not na only pilgrim.1 dey concerned with your position. I would have stopped posting here and let others take over. . . 

However, I agree we still enjoy our friendship - the only thing is that we submit that friendship into the hands of Jesus Christ. He is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life; and that's why it is good for us to know the TRUTH that He is.

There are very many Catholic issues that fly in the face of Biblical truth. A reminder of some already discussed:

[list][li]That Mary was 'SINLESS' (or without sin) - against Leviticus 12[/li][/list]

[list][li]That Catholics "PRAY TO" Mary (part of Mariolatry) - against Acts 12:5[/li][/list]

[list][li]That Catholics have taken the divine titles of God and ascribed them to Mary - against Isaiah 42:8[/li][/list]

[list][li]That RCC Popes and Bishops have made Mary the "Saviour" of the people of Rome (against Acts 4:12)[/li][/list]

. . .and many other things which we have exaxined. The problem is that, rather than discuss and point out issues from God's WORD, Catholics have repeatedly refused to go to the Bible and provide answers while claiming that we are 'attacking' and 'hating' them!

My submission is this: if Catholics do not hold to the truth of God's WORD, their claim of being the ONLY true Church is a huge fallacy.

Regards.

Oby1:

To Mature In Our Walk


Father, I'm praying for myself and others (Ebos, Carlosein, Vies, Orobo 50cl, Pilgrim.1, Cgift and others that i can't remember now) in my circle of family and friends to become increasingly mature in Christ,

Some have been content not to grow. They've continued to live as infants in Christ, settling for the milk of the Word, not ready to move on to solid food—sometimes for years. Forgive them and change them; help them be willing to grow, to become more mature in their walk, their understanding, and their application of Your Word. (1 Corinthians 3:2; Hebrews 5:12-14)

Help all of us to see wonderful things in Your Word and be eager to live by Your rules, not ours. Direct our steps according to the Word; let no sin rule over us. (Psalm 119:18, 9, 133) Give us a genuine desire to grow beyond simple, elementary truth, becoming strong in our understanding, as we should. (Hebrews 6:1–3)

Grant us perseverance so we'll not only begin but continue to grow in Christ, so one day we'll be complete and not lack anything. Help us count the cost of time and energy and be willing to pay the price. (James 1:4; Luke 14:28)

May we choose to grow spiritually. In Jesus' name, amen.

Jesus Provides, Mary intercedes.

Lovely. Your method of praying is so nice. Well selected