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| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by ChinenyeN(m): 1:37pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
aribisala0:Yes, I am actively making plans for the actualization. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 1:37pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
odumchi: Odumchi try and talk without assuming that you are next to God in knowledge. Intelligent people provide evidence when they assert. I can say everything you have said and substitute the word LOKOJA FOR NRI. Oh Odumchi said it. IT must be FACT SUCH A MONUMENTAL CLAIM AS YOU ARE MAKING REQUIRES MORE SCHOLARSHIP THAN MR CHRISTOPHER EHRET'S [b]if you are a sincere enquirer you must tell us whether there are any contradictory views in the literature [/b]and why,on balance,you prefer this one. To cite one guy who supports your point of view is disingenious and shoddy. You appear only to have sought the evidence for and totally shunned the evidence against of which there is legion. THIS IS NOT A CHURCH OR MOSQUE where we operate on faith. For you to claim Nri is oldest you should provide research that list at least the top 5 oldest in terms of longevity .Personally I do know which is oldest but i know how to scrutinize claims about it. You quoted me but ignored the bit about KanemBornu. How old is that?? Or is that question inconvenient? Of course you are entitled to your pet theories but if you must quote me or seek to engage me then you must possess the intellectual curiosity and rigor to question assumptions and consider alternatives. You talk about organized please define organized?? for christ's sake ? Even a man his 3 wives and 10 children are organized! what exactly is "ORGANIZED"  ?You say NOK was not a kingdom it was a culture AND YOU KNOW THIS HOW? What evidence do you know of that Nri was a kingdom and not a republic? |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 1:46pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
Nri was the first group to develop an organized royal hierarchy.  I go die oooooooooo ORGANIZED ROYAL HIERARCHY what is this? Exactly where is the evidence for this claim who were the second what position are Kanembornu,Benin and Igala[b] You see the Kanems did not wait for Ehret. They took matters into their own hands and WROTE IT DOWN in a nice little record called The GIRGAM[/b] WE also know from WRITTEN accounts of Arab scholars ,not wild vainglorious assertions ,of the Kanem Empire's existence in the 9th century. I like to think before you have an empire you must have had a kingdom at an earlier time,no? Let me tell you this for a fact : those people who did WASC or GCE in the 70s/80s and took history, never heard of NRI KINGDOM. It was not in the textbooks. Certainly Onwubiko did not write about it then. What is being exposited now is no less than a paradigm shift and needs more than "AUTHORITATIVE DECLARATIONS". If we are to accept these NEW claims a lot more scholarship is required. We must remember[b] Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat[/b] It is incumbent on those who declare/assert to prove NOT on those who deny |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 2:19pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
You say . "Its golden years were from the 800s-1100s." What exactly happened during these golden years? Would yo be kind enough to share the source of this insight? Finally on your excerpt from Ehret That quote "The earliest kingdom we know of was the Nri state." earliest where? in Igboland,Nigeria West Africa,Africa or the Universe.? Any such claim must cite a specific year known or probabilistic in order to make meaningful comparison so when is the earliest date you can tell us that Nri was in existence(evidence please!) |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by odumchi: 9:37pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
aribisala0: I'm not here to toil away and redo work that's already been done. That book I cited clearly explained that Nri is Nigeria's oldest kingdom. If you don't believe the book, google it and if you still don't believe that then I don't know what to tell you. The book dates the founding of Nri kingdom at 948 ce. If you'd like to dispute that also then go and google it. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by odumchi: 9:40pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
aribisala0: Organized royal hierarchy = monarchy = kingdom. Interpret it however you like. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by odumchi: 9:43pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
aribisala0: odumchi: |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 10:18pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
Guy if the evidence does not fit your agenda ignore.And stick with what does. That seems to be your philosophy I asked you very specific questions Are you aware of other books or works that disagree with Ehret? Why do you prefer Ehret's account to all others this book says Nri is the oldest kingdom Where ? Igboland,West africa or the Universe.the quote you gave does not answer this very direct question I cited evidence to show that Kanem Empire was known in the 6th century no response. The Benin Kingdom before it became an empire was known in 900 AD LOUD SILENCE Yet you want me to accept this mediocre nonsense, Remember you called me out by quoting me but lack the intellectual stamina to engage with the issues .You are bereft of scholastic willingness to consider alternative hypothesis and are clearly out of your depth. Note my moniker .i really do not indulge mediocrity. My mind is open on the subject but you are incapable or unwilling to exchange ideas meaningfully. All I hear from you is a book,ONE BOOK, by this American guy tells us Nri is the Oldest kingdom in Nigeria and we should digest it. This is the quote you supplied "The earliest kingdom we know of was the Nri state. In the eight and ninth centuries, it was located to the immediate east of the middle parts if the lower Niger River, an in and along the Northern fringe of the rainforest. It's population was apparently Igbo, " Once again I ask where is he referring to Igboland,Nigeria,Africa or the Universe?. Now you say 948 . For your info do not let any white man deceive you there have been Kingdoms in Nigeria before Christ. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by odumchi: 11:01pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
aribisala0: Lol. Like I said earlier, I'm not going engage in any debates or arguments on this issue because they lead us no where. There is no brain-cracking involved or needed to digest what I wrote. People like Ehret and the hundreds of other scholars on the Internet have already devoted a significant part of their lives studying this and they have arrived at a conclusion. It's one thing if only Ehret arrived at this conclusion, but when many scholars arrive at a similar conclusion, it speaks volumes. I don't really know what you want me to do for you. If you're questioning the date and location of Nri, here it is: odumchi: As for the Kanem Empire, it was not founded in Nigeria. Although founded in the 600s BCE, it was founded in Chadic North Africa. The Kanem Empire broke up in 1380 CE and from it's ruins the Borno Empire (of Northeastern Nigeria) was founded in that same year. I don't know anything about the Edo kingdom in 900 CE. From what I've read, the Edo kingdom was founded in 1100 CE and transitioned into the Edo Empire in 1440. Remember, we aren't trying to reinvent the wheel. We don't have to prove anything all over again because the work of people like Ehret is available. If people kept on going back to prove what their predecessors already proved, imagine how backward we would be. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 11:29pm On Feb 14, 2012 |
Next time please just be quiet when you see my posts You failed woefully to answer the most basic questions and even to define a kingdom was impossible for you. Ehret wrote his book in 2002. It is a book on the ENTIRE AFRICA covering the stone age to 1800(A superhuman undertaking for one man!) and just compiles the works of others so dot not mislead people, You claim MANY scholars arrived at this conclusion. MY BROTHER THIS IS A LIE I sincerely ask whether you have any postgraduate education and know the difference between a REVIEW and original RESEARCH. PLEASE CITE ONE SCHOLAR who came to this conclusion on the basis of research they personally conducted JUST ONE whether an archaelogist,anthropologist or any thing else NOT a white man sitting in California and editing other peoples works to write a book in 2002. You are happy for a white man to tell you that "while other parts of the world had kings thousands of years ago we could only manage it in 900 AD? A guy who has not done any research in Nigeria Would you like us to believe there were no works before 2002 on the subject? His book was a Review(of other works) and NOT original research and we don't know if this guy ever came to Nigeria We only found out in 2002 the OLDEST kingdom in Nigeria ONCE AGAIN[b] do you know of any contrary works to EHRET or there is no need since it tells you what you want to hear?[/b]. I asked you where [/b]is he talking about when he used the word [b]earliest again earliest kingdom in Igboland,Nigeria or Africa?? If NRI is the earliest Kingdom which is second. In Taruga in Northern Nigeria there are archaelogical finds including terracota figures of MEN ON HORSEBACK dating 500BC but you will have us believe they did not have "ORGANIZED ROYAL HIERARCHY" TARUGA is also the site accepted as the earlist "IRON WORKING SITE " in Sub Saharan Africa 500 BC yet you want us to believe that a kingdom did not appear in an area where they had learnt to smelt Iron and ride horses for ANOTHER 1400 years The Kanem Empire was around the Lake Chad and included part of what is Now Chad,Nigeria and Libya There were kingdoms in Western Nigerian long before the Oyo empire and certainly by 800. We know that Ile Ife was thriving in 600 AD and there were likely others before. The Benin Kingdom which predated the Benin Empire was around in 900 by all accounts and probably even earlier However Royal metal sculptures from these areas are dated centuries earlier and very closely resemble terracotta works found in Jos There is strong evidence of Nok Kingdoms in Jos and Southern Kaduna Long before Christ was born. I do believe there were many kingdoms in eastern Nigeria well before 800 and before Nri but that is my guess, All you have to offer is BREEZY BOGUS BLUSTER and STOIC REFUSAL to ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU MADE A CLAIM and cannot back it up.Shame! Just stay away from me in the future! For those willing o learn this is an interesting link http://books.google.ca/books?id=C5qYNSRjqacC&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q&f=false I suggest reading page 63/5 I do not say it is the final word but if we are to be objective we must hear the plaintiff and respondent NOT just one side There are so many other accounts with which one must be familiar before talking with any kind of authority This work too is a review but it seems to me that based on all the available evidence it is impossible to name with certainty the earliest kingdom in Nigeria and any such claim is dishonest. Pretty much all over the world when man moved from stone age to Iron Age he had kings. THe Iron age in Nigeria had started by 500BC if not earlier why then would we wait another 1400 years to have kings |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by Abagworo(m): 4:05pm On Feb 15, 2012 |
@aribisala0. I do not like to conclude with mere sentimental remarks but it has come to my notice that you seem to hate Igbos and you want to talk down on Igbos for a reason I am yet to comprehend. It is not a hidden fact for any student of history that Nri has been accepted by all as older than every other kingdom in Nigeria. I read it in WAEC or O' level. Why not just take the chill pill and allow only Igbos and Ikwerres to make their contribution to this thread. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 5:29pm On Feb 15, 2012 |
Well your comment is not only sentimental it is 5tupid If you don't buy me a Blackberry you don't love me  If you don;t side with me you are my enemy. That is the dichotomous mindset of the juvenile. Is there a prize for oldest kingdom.? If the evidence in front of you is that I hate Igbos well so be it. If you believe the only way for Igbo to thrive is by fiction then you are very much astray.I will not allow fiction to go unchallenged because it soon becomes fact. I must confess I hate stupidity and so I suggest that we agree to stay away from each other.If Nri is indeed the Oldest Kingdom in Nigeria my hate will not change that. I do not accept the idea that we in Nigeria are so backward that we were not able to form a kingdom before the birth of Christ when others elsewhere had already developed coinage. If it is true that the Igbos organized themselves in kingdoms then we have to look further than NRI. It cannot be the first Igbo kingdom. [b]When i mentioned the Nok kingdoms that was discounted but the reality is the people of Nok had learnt how to smelt iron and ride horses before the British and yet we are to believe that no kingdoms were formed until 1400 years later at NR[/b]I You say it has been accepted by all; that is clearly a daft remark don't you think.There is NO EVIDENCE for this claim,NONE Like it has been accepted by all that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his DHL? Which is truer? At any rate Ife,Benin and Kanem are older than Nri |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by Abagworo(m): 9:53pm On Feb 15, 2012 |
aribisala0: Apart from Kanem which is not actually rooted in Nigeria, Nri has been proven to be older than Benin and Ife. I am not an Nri man but I read that bone in Nigerian history. Infact the Igbouku artworks dated older than all the Benin and Ife artworks. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 11:35pm On Feb 15, 2012 |
Abagworo: Is this true?? or are you just talking about bronze castings Surely you do not believe Black people only started making art in the 10th century anyhoe black man must make Ikenga or juju Kanem is NOT Rooted in nigeria" So the Shehu of Bornu is just a branch.He is not real. BOKOHARAM!!! OK And Nri has "been proven" to be older than Ife . Excellent!! Please I would appreciate it if you would share this proof with me so I update the obvious lacuna in my knowledge. What is the significance of the Igbo Ukwu artworks being older than those of Benin you have any Idea?? I would like to know |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by Abagworo(m): 5:47am On Feb 16, 2012 |
www.bukisa.com/articles/144822_archaeological-sites-igbo-ukwu The most critical of these contributions lay in the radiocarbon date for the artefacts from Igbo-Ukwu, the ninth-century CE, and the association of the artefacts with an extinct Igbo group, the Nri, and the expression of the artistic magnificence and technological skill related with the finds. Since the above date made Igbo-Ukwu about three or four centuries earlier than the date established for Ife and Benin. This threw the conjecture on the cultural history of Southern Nigeria as a whole into turmoil. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by Abagworo(m): 6:04am On Feb 16, 2012 |
ooduaclimmax..com/2008/07/yoruba-and-benin-kingdom.html This seems to be confirmed by the discovery in 1939, in the east of Nigeria, of the site of Igbo- Ukwu, which was explored in 1959 by Professor Thurstan Shaw; some 800 bronze pieces have been bought to light which are completely different from the Ife-Benin bronzes. Igbo-Ukwu is an urban complex in the middle of which were the palace and temples. Different buildings have been uncovered: a great room where plates and objects of worship and treasures were stored; a burial chamber of a great priest, richly decorated; and an enormous hole in which were deposited pottery, bones and other objects. Certainly there are some differences between the bronzes discovered at Igbo-Ukwu and the works of art of Ife. Nevertheless, a number of shared traits show that the two centres were part of the same culture. Indeed, we are in the presence, as at Ife, of a ritual monarchy. It is believed that Igbo-Ukwu was the religious capital of a very vast kingdom, and that the treasures were stored there under the keeping of a priest-king, Ezi Nzi. Information is lacking on the culture of Igbo-Ukwu; inquiries among those who guard oral tradition are continuing, and archaeologists see an extension of the area of bronze manufacture. Nevertheless, Igbo-Ukwu appears to contradict much of what has so far been postulated about State formation; on the evidence of radiocarbon dates, this highly sophisticated culture had evolved by the ninth century among Ibo peoples who otherwise maintained a "stateless" form of society. In other words, the Igbo-Ukwu culture antedates those of Ife and Benin, and all others of comparable complexity so far discovered in the forest region, by at least two centuries. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 8:40am On Feb 16, 2012 |
This is your "PROVEN". I think it is better to open another thread on this issue.I will leave other readers to ponder what you have provided and whether it Proves anythin, Thurston Shaw is still alive((98) as are his many writings on his findings.He is a humble man and not one to make the exuberant claims that are now being bandied about. He admittted his uncertainty about so many things and the fact that further excavations are required to draw further conclusions but there are those who wish to superimpose a story on findings whose signicance is UNCLEAR to scholars e.g where did the copper in those castings come from?? there is no copper ore in Nigeria,according to geologists . NB there were also bronze and brass castings too. In fact some scholars previously used this evidence to argue that this was proof of their migration from The Middle East a claim Shaw dissociated himself from! . The so called Hamitic hypothesis This attribution has also been discussed in some detail by [/b]Onwuejeogwu & Onwuejeogwu 1977), Why were there glass beads of Egyptian origin there and HOW did they get there The Benin and Ife masks are not of copper Why did the items found in [b]one burial chambe[/b]r contain items from the 15th century in addition to those fro the 9th or 10th. [b]Why is there no bronze casting at Igbo Ukwu now unlike in Benin.What happened to the expertise? Carbon dating is not precise contrary to the 948 date being parroted. Rather dates are often given in the format; AD 870± 150 The probable range for the different items Igbo Ukwu find is 650-1500 AD These are the words of Mr Shaw In general terms, these eight radiocarbon determination would seem to strenghten a belief in placing the Igbo-Ukwu finds in the 9th - 11th centuries ad. The BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM is ; Was Igbo Ukwu ever part of Nri kingdom and if so was this the case in the 9-11 th centuries? Was it called Igbo Ukwu in that period? There has been much controversy about the dating, All you need do is google [b]Igbo Ukwu controversy [/b]and see what gives. Of course pointing these issues ic clear evidence that "I HATE IGBOS" so I will stop here and let others do their research and reflection |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by PhysicsQED(m): 10:18am On Feb 16, 2012 |
Aribasala, since you've read some of Shaw's publications on Igbo-Ukwu, like this: http://www.jstor.org/stable/180494 and this: www.panafprehistory.org/images/papers/FURTHER_LIGHT_ON_IGBO-UKWU_INCLUDING_NEW_RADIOCARBON_DATES__Thurstan_Shaw.pdf+Igbo+Ukwu+controversy&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiMl0Qcly-Txiw182wslgjKF_Ym8fYN11VFFSi_ZosZKKXXOZq1KdeabkK0KF3wNcERt00O8eFrum3wabbXB_Umc9X9IFIxSxvreOM8DclJRcHJmaYkbJivJuKJT7VHlhz2t5Pz&sig=AHIEtbRhJJSqEiy9CoTmXnnx5sqK4ewLww">https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:-afPb7b39PwJ:www.panafprehistory.org/images/papers/FURTHER_LIGHT_ON_IGBO-UKWU_INCLUDING_NEW_RADIOCARBON_DATES__Thurstan_Shaw.pdf+Igbo+Ukwu+controversy&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiMl0Qcly-Txiw182wslgjKF_Ym8fYN11VFFSi_ZosZKKXXOZq1KdeabkK0KF3wNcERt00O8eFrum3wabbXB_Umc9X9IFIxSxvreOM8DclJRcHJmaYkbJivJuKJT7VHlhz2t5Pz&sig=AHIEtbRhJJSqEiy9CoTmXnnx5sqK4ewLww ? Then why do you have any doubts about the Igbo Ukwu site having a 9th -11th century date overall based on all known dates? The one outlier date (15th century) may indeed have been from contamination as suggested in the article above. One outlier date doesn't change what the majority of dates indicate. As for Igbo Ukwu being associated with Nri, there was a whole book about that by M. Onwuejeogwu . I haven't read it, but what is clear is that the bronze casting individual with the ichi scarification on his face and the bronze castings of locusts definitely suggest a Nri connection, since both of these are culturally/religiously associated with Nri. Shaw also agrees with Onwuejeogwu's identification of the bronzes with Nri (I don't have the exact quote, but this is mentioned in Connah's book) and I don't think there is much doubt among scholars about the association of the bronzes with Nri. The one thing I will agree with you on is that sufficient archaeological work has not been done in Nigeria (Graham Connah had a great quote about just how meager the amount of archaeology that has been done relative to what should have been done is in his book African Civilizations: an archaeological perspective, but I can't recall it exactly right now) to determine the earliest dates of all states and cities. Some people are actually arguing about dates of state formation while using what is actually a small amount of data or misinterpreting the small amount of work done so far as being definitive. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 10:34am On Feb 16, 2012 |
Did i express doubt or any shade of opinion on the dates? I believe I was just reporting what is already in the public domain. Like i said This issue deserves a separate thread. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-872349.0.html#msg10207307 |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by Abagworo(m): 12:13am On Feb 17, 2012 |
That burial chamber actually has an evidence of Nri connection at least in the burial style. Ozor title holders are still buried sitting up right till this day. I doubt if any other culture around us apart from probably Igala which royalty is rooted in Nri bury people sitting upright. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by aribisala0(m): 12:20am On Feb 17, 2012 |
Abagworo:Rather than say I doubt say "I DO NOT KNOW" that is more honest!! Igala royalty is rooted in Nri ,Even Napoleon Bonaparte is rooted in NRi as is Mansa Musa I think we have derailed this thread enough. Let us move the Nri Debate to another thread How I wish you can imagine what it is like to be on the receiving end of such twaddle ! https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-872349.0.html#msg10207307 |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by babsjnr(m): 2:31pm On Apr 28, 2012 |
aribisala0: well i am Ijebu myself as i have always said severally. I do not see myself as Yoruba as it has no meaning for me spiritually.. This is false go back to school . |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by chixomx2(m): 8:30am On Jun 24, 2012 |
Just because, some people hav similar cultures n languages doesn't make dem dsame. Brasil n portugal speak almost dsame language, n hav similar cultures but hell they aint even in dsame continent. I'm an FBI(full blooded ikwerre), n I'm NOT an igbo guy. So plz let's end dis silly arguments, cos wise people knw say if no b panadol e no fit b like panadol. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by Afam4eva(m): 8:39am On Jun 24, 2012 |
chixomx2: Just because, some people hav similar cultures n languages doesn't make dem dsame. Brasil n portugal speak almost dsame language, n hav similar cultures but hell they aint even in dsame continent. I'm an FBI(full blooded ikwerre), n I'm NOT an igbo guy. So plz let's end dis silly arguments, cos wise people knw say if no b panadol e no fit b like panadol.Except you provide concrete proof that Igbos colonized Ikwerre just like Portugal did for Breazil, then you're analogy is faulty. And also if Ikwerre has a differeent language ferom what they speak currently, pls let us know. Thanks. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by AndreUweh(m): 1:48pm On Jun 24, 2012 |
chixomx2: Just because, some people hav similar cultures n languages doesn't make dem dsame. Brasil n portugal speak almost dsame language, n hav similar cultures but hell they aint even in dsame continent. I'm an FBI(full blooded ikwerre), n I'm NOT an igbo guy. So plz let's end dis silly arguments, cos wise people knw say if no b panadol e no fit b like panadol.Sometimes non Ikwerres who are anti-Igbo come here claiming to be Ikwerre. You hardly see any Ikwerre telling us that he is not Igbo. For how long must we wait for any Ikwerre to prove to us that he is not Igbo. Anyway, forever shut up or show that you are not Igbo. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by crro: 11:26pm On Aug 25, 2012 |
@ pazianza , you must surely be of the clan of fools for calling ikwerre ppl ignorant ! Ikwerrehas been iikwerre since Adam . That the language is similar to that of the Igbo language certainly shows there was and still is a connection but this doesn't mean the Igbo ppl don't come from some where . They too have there origins and took heritage some where ! U can't call an American man an English man just because his ancestors decided to move from England hundreds of years ago, ppl should learn to use there head. I'm an ikwerre man myself an my father an Eze, I don't really want to go into that but my point here is Igbos are Igbos and Ikwerre's are ikwerres . Believe it or not there are tribes men who broke out of ikwerre and are no longer ikwerre ppl . Must of this confusion is because obviously oil has been found in ikwerre land few Igbo ppl don't like this situation . Is it bad that Igbo ppl were blessed with extraordinary intelligents ? Most every other tribe hate this fact or deny it just because we all know we are not fools ? Call a spade a spade after all with all this division will our kids still say 1 Nigeria 1 nation ? The F**king foreigners ( excuse my French ) came did there worst an now we find ourself arguing and accusing ourself.look Africa as a whole was called egypt many years ago, there was no Nigeria , no Ghana etc.. As for Lagos this Lagos word every1 uses like its a yuroba word, I hope u all know Lagos is a Portuguese word and the Portuguese not British ! But portuguese named Lagos ! |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by BlackPikiN(m): 1:42am On Aug 26, 2012 |
c.r.r.o: I forgive you your sin but someone else who reads the bold might not. lol Holy f0rk, you are just ignorant. How I wish Obasanjo defended his decision to put Chibuike Amaechi as Sule lamido's VP, I for sit back watch the next drama. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by pazienza(m): 2:15am On Aug 26, 2012 |
c.r.r.o: Chineke! Atagbugom onwe m na afufu,na ofu nairalandi nkaa. Kedu kwanu onye mepe kwanu gate ndi ara,nnaa eh. Bia, crk or whatever you call yourself,go back and re read my posts again,then come back. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by Abagworo(m): 8:38am On Aug 26, 2012 |
c.r.r.o: You are the only Ikwerre on this thread I believe. You also made it clear as it really is. Non-Igbos and Non-Ikwerres just come up and create wrong impressions to cause disaffection. I personally do not understand the motives. My mother is from Ikwerre and I have been engaged in this unnecessary talks even with my own cousins because of lack of understanding. Coincidentally their own mothers are all Igbos. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by pazienza(m): 4:36pm On Aug 26, 2012 |
Abagworo: His post reeks of ignorance. Yet, here you stand saying nonsense. What exacty do you mean by saying that he made it as clear as it is? |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by ChinenyeN(m): 4:43pm On Aug 26, 2012 |
I'm really trying to understand what this discussion is about now. It seems like people are just all over the place with what they're saying. |
| Re: Why Do Ikwerre Igbos Reject Their Igbo Identity? by Abagworo(m): 5:24pm On Aug 26, 2012 |
pazienza: c.r.r.o: His post is as clear as day. Let me summarize it for you. 1. His father is an Eze or traditional ruler, hence he is knowledgeable about his tradition. 2. Ikwerre has similar language and roots as Igbo but has attained ethnic independence. 3. Igbos are generally more intelligent than an average Nigerian. 4. Much of the igbo-Ikwerre misunderstanding is rooted in the discovery and exploration of oil. |
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