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| Is The Second Death Death ? by Fr0sbel: 3:58pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
Can my Christian Pals help explain this concept. Death means to cease to exist , so why does the second death mean something else. The second death from my church belief is that of eternal seperation from God but then we are still existing, we are not dead and never will be. What constitutes death ? In my opinion death while we are here on earth is used in the spiritual connotation which is life without God, this is followed by a Physical death which means ceasing to exist physically. When the sinner dies physically he is cast into 'hell' to await judgement. After judgement , he is cast into the lake of fire to burn forever , right ? But how can this be classified as second death when the soul still exixts albeit in torment. Please let me know your thoughts from a theolgical perspective. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by jmoore(m): 4:11pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
The second death is the final doom of the damned. The lake of fire is where the second death takes place. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." —Revelation 21:8 In the second death, the person will be separated body, soul, and spirit from God for all eternity. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Nobody: 4:13pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
jmoore: The second death is the final doom of the damned. The lake of fire is where the second death takes place. In other words endless burning for eternity right ? |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by jmoore(m): 4:15pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
yes, endless burning forever and ever and ever...................... |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Nobody: 4:42pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
jmoore: yes, endless burning forever and ever and ever...................... Not that I disagree but support your stance with more scriptural verses - thanks |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by jmoore(m): 5:37pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
frosbel: I did leave a verse in one of my posts above>> Revelation 21:8 |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Nobody: 6:02pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
jmoore: Yes , I need more . |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by ijawkid(m): 6:05pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
If those who'll be ruling with christ in heaven for d thousand yrs won't experience the 2nd death,then what kinda death will that be?? If also death itself would experince the 2nd death,then what kinda death would that be?? Remember so many forces and things would experience that 2nd death..... |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Image123(m): 6:47pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
death is separation, simple. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by plappville(f): 8:22pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
Reve 2:11 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death. Reve 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. Reve 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Reve 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars —they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” With these verses, we may conclude that the "Second Death" means permanent separation from God either by burning in hell or kind of eternal eradication. The first death happens to be the temporary death. i hope this helps. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Joagbaje(m): 9:00pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
Death is npt ceasation of life. death is separation. theres physical death and spiritual death. physical death is srparstion of the spirit from the body wnile spiritual death is a srparation or damnation from God. The srcond death is a spiritul death. its not a ceasation of life. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Nobody: 9:35pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
God is true and just. Either way , it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living GOD for he is a consuming fire !! |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:54pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
The soul is immaterial, no burning, nor be tormented with fire. The example is one of many that this Jewish-Christian God threatens punishment. God is a sadist who does not hesitate to kill the world with a flood; spreading pests and send their children into the arms of Satan himself ... |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:57pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
frosbel: God is true and just.I do not know if God is just. In the Bible, God sent razing entire villages, killing all humanity, is a god angry and irritable ... vindictive and cruel. No big punished adulterers, while threatening to burn our souls ... I totally agree with you that having a god so is extremely dangerous ... the character of this god is very changeable, and loves to torture ... |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by ijawkid(m): 10:20pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
Joagbaje: Death is npt ceasation of life. death is separation. theres physical death and spiritual death. physical death is srparstion of the spirit from the body wnile spiritual death is a srparation or damnation from God. The srcond death is a spiritul death. its not a ceasation of life. What will happen to death itself?? U guys are looking @ this whole 2nd death thing from 1 perspective... How will hades and death itself experience a 2nd death?? Please examine that revelation well... Not only humans will be in d lake of fire..... Death and hades will be there too,including satan...... |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Ptolomeus(m): 10:34pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
ijawkid:All will go there, the shepherds and evade taxes paid tithes, false prophets, who use the word of God out of context to their advantage ... Possibly even the same god who killed all mankind with the deluge and asked sacrifices of virgins for it, too go to the lake of fire. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by buzugee(m): 11:09pm On Jun 13, 2012 |
there aree two deaths and they both are dealing with the spirit. has nothing to do with the body. one of them is temporary and the other is permanent first death-when you are born, as soon as you are born you experience the first death. the first death is the seperation of the spirit from its guiding source ( GOD). this is spiritual death. we are all born into spiritual death. then further down the line depending on several factors such as your deeds, humility, having recieved enough punishment for deeds from previous life, etc then the lord can show favor on you and reattach you again ( the lord chooses you, you dont choose the lord ). when the lord reattaches you again, this is what people on earth call ' you are born again ' second death if throughout your life, the lord hasnt seen fit to show favor to you and reattach you to him ( either because you are not a humble person or you are too caught up in the things of the world or you are knee deep in transgressing all his commands. )then you are like a walking zombie. your spirit is running solo and unprotected and unguided. if this situation continues till christ arrives ? then your spirit will be totally eliminated from existence. this is the second death. when your spirit is totally eliminated from existence, you never ever come back again. you are done. your existence as a whole is null and void. for those whose spirits dont experience the second death, they keep getting reincarnated back to earth every 3rd of fourth generation. so they live forever and ever. they live, die. go rest in the spirit world. come back again as a baby to live. die. go rest in the lord in the spirit world. come back to earth in the 3rd or fourth generation to live again etc etc. those who experience the second death will not get this privilege. your spirit will be cancelled out forever. so back to your question. is the second death death ? yes it is permanent destruction of your spirit. how do spirits gets permanently destroyed ? i dont know. i know spirits are forces and as we know energy cannot be destroyed but it can be transformed from one form to another so i am guessing this is why the 10000000 degrees lake of fire will be needed to transform your spirit into say 'wind' or something. it will liquify your spirit force. make your spirit malleable and ductile and transform it into something that is not living. dead force like wind. the lake of fire is also an euphemism for ' destroyed '. so how the rejected souls will be destroyed permanently is up to the lord. and i know he can get creative with it  |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by cyrexx: 4:40pm On Jun 14, 2012 |
Joagbaje: Death is npt ceasation of life. death is separation. theres physical death and spiritual death. physical death is srparstion of the spirit from the body wnile spiritual death is a srparation or damnation from God. The srcond death is a spiritul death. its not a ceasation of life. see how religion is changing the basic meaning of glaring truths. death is not death but separation. birth is not birth but first birth. life is not life but jesus. na wa o. for your info, death means death, nothing more. that means the total end of what started as a birth. the human life, plus the so-called human spirit has a definite beginning at birth and it must have a certain definite end one day. nothing more and nothing less. the myth of a second life of eternal torture is not death by any defintion, not even spiritual death. your so-called spirit has a definite beginning at birth and a definite end at death. the myth of second life was invented by religions as a carrot and stick mechanism of promising reward or threatening punishment in order to gain followers. simple. he who has an ear and a mind, let him hear and use his brain to think.
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| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Image123(m): 3:11pm On Jun 18, 2012 |
see how religion is changing the basic meaning of glaring truths. death is not death but separation. birth is not birth but first birth. life is not life but jesus. na wa o.Unfortunate how your atheism religion makes you close minded to basic and simple truths. Death means death, how convenient. Death is a separation basically. It could be the common separation of body from the spirit. It could be the separation of man from fellowship with God as revealed in Genesis 2:17. It could be a separation from the world as alluded to in 1 Corinth 15:31, or a separation of the new man/creature from sin as read in Rom 6:11. It is very foolish of you to log into a forum, go to the religion section and act surprised to find religious viewpoints. You should stay in the techmarket section, or webmasters, or maybe politics or sports. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by cyrexx: 3:38pm On Jun 18, 2012 |
while i am tempted to to return insult for your insult, i will refrain from doing so. so much for your "un-christian attitude" you said atheism religion. because you follow a religion, you assume everybody follows religion one way or the other. well refresh your your English Language knowledge. atheism is absence or lack of religion or beliefs in gods. you may not know that your attitude will turn people away from your religion. christians, their beliefs and their deeds are the greatest single cause of atheism in the world today. they are just "unbelieveable" keep turning people to atheism. well done |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Image123(m): 7:04pm On Jun 18, 2012 |
cyrexx: while i am tempted to to return insult for your insult, i will refrain from doing so. so much for your "un-christian attitude"as in seriousness? no be your type them they look for for Heaven. I didn't insult you , only stated your open folly to help you in case of next time |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Ptolomeus(m): 7:57pm On Jun 18, 2012 |
Yes it's true. I'm not an atheist, but if I were to decide in favor of a religion, to read some comments fanatics, go to atheism. Such is the fanaticism that display some aversive. I do not think all Christians and Muslim are so stupid, as many who write here on the forum. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Nobody: 8:14pm On Jun 18, 2012 |
Ptolomeus: Yes it's true. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:50pm On Jun 18, 2012 |
dup. |
| Re: Is The Second Death Death ? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:52pm On Jun 18, 2012 |
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