LMAO @ david.

Fickle Lakpenne. In the beginning, it seemed and appeared you made more sense than the usual BS we hear from your other brethren. Fastforward to the present- it more than seems you're tottering the line of irrationality your brethren like blabs787 do on a daily basis.

Lakpenne:

@
@ nwando, you have done a better job attacking Muslims monotheism but ot nearly as good defending your polytheism. Like I asked, why are You any different than the Hindu

Christ is the only answer for the world.
This is not a case of who is better than who,it is a statement of fact

Lakpenne:

As for the 3 daughters nonesense, where did You get that from. Proof please, proof. That's a crock of shit. (I know exactly where u are going with the Allah came from a 3 daughter god nonesense but I want the source so that I can expose You).

I'll let You make Urself look like an idiot for change.

I wonder why a fatwa was declared on Salman Rushdie,a Muslim by birth.
Get the satanic verses and then dig into history

Lakpenne:

I'll let You make Urself look like an idiot for change.

There can never be 2 idiots on a single thread.You have already claimed that title here.

Lakpenne:

"or because they see the power of the cross?" You mean the crosss that originated from Pagan Kemitic beliefs? That cross. LOL. UR religion is marred in pagan belief, from Christmas all the way to Easter and back to the basic beleif in the trinity. All pagan nonesense.

The cross was normal punishment for criminals and heretics in the days of Christ,so Christ did not invent a cross,
But his death was significant,it was God's pl;an from the beginning so there is a difference.
He claimed to be son of God,that made the Roman soldiers mad and today still makes you pee in your underwear

Lakpenne:

Tell me why did Abraham sacrifice, or try to, sacrifice his son and God replaced it with a ram? was Abe a pagan? LOL

ROFL.
and why does the spider have 8 legs?
Due to blindness,you can never comprehend the scriptures.
Mohammed being a stark illiterate did not relay the whole Bible he heard from his Christian friends to his followers who could read and write and when he tried he got all his stories muddled up.being that he was schizophrenic.
The blood of bulls and rams were replaced with a better covenant,the ultimate sacrifice because the blood of bulls could not cleanse completely,they were only a shadow of things to come.

Now idolaters are the ones that offer up chickens and goats in front of their gods like Amadioha and shango worshippers.
God neither needs your bulls nor your rams.
Use them and feed those beggars on your streets,you'll be rewarded for that.

Hbr 9:11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come,[fn1] with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.

Hbr 9:12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Hbr 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh,

[b]Hbr 9:14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hbr 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hbr 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,

Hbr 9:20 saying, "This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you."[fn2]

Hbr 9:22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

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Hbr 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

Hbr 9:28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. [/b]

Wordsmith:

LMAO @ david.

Fickle Lakpenne. In the beginning, it seemed and appeared you made more sense than the usual BS we hear from your other brethren. Fastforward to the present- it more than seems you're tottering the line of irrationality your brethren like blabs787 do on a daily basis.

and when he grows to maturity,he'll be olabowole
ROFL.

@osisi,

sometimes i wonder how u guys cope with 'em. Sometimes, i don't see the point arguing. . .when the people you're trying to discuss with have already made up their minds whether right or wrong without thinking. . .

@nwando and the rest

"Use them and feed those beggars on your streets,you'll be rewarded for that."

Great suggestion. Unfortunatel, that's what we do with it.

Wow, the dogs are out, you guys just keep coming. Only thing you have going for you is strength in numbers.

I was looking around for something and was not able to remember what it was for the longeest, then I remebered: I was searching for an answeer to how a god can be tempted by the devil (get ye back? LOL) and how a god can be praying to another god. Says to me there is more than one god or one of them is a fraud. Hmmm., sounds like polytheism to me.

Prophet Muhammad (saw) was an illerate? Wow, there's news to me. I never knew that. Makes the Quran even more fantastic. he learned the story from his xtian friend? which one, the one he met as a young boy or the ones he met in Medina or the ones he never met. Funny thing though, he never mentioned that the tree Adam and Eve ate from was the apple tree. How could he miss that yet, that's all most xtians remember about the A & E story. man, he must have had one really bad memory.

Wait, the holy ghost is knocking. No, it s Jesus.

My next thread, after the one about the superiority of the Quran (u guys will love that as an opportunity to really get your teeth sharpen since you missed ot on monotheism) I will about how xtians have historically killed Jews and continue to seek to kill them till today (hmmm, interesting)

Peace polytheist.

Wordsmith:

LMAO @ david.

Fickle Lakpenne. In the beginning, it seemed and appeared you made more sense than the usual BS we hear from your other brethren. Fastforward to the present- it more than seems you're tottering the line of irrationality your brethren like blabs787 do on a daily basis.

lol they seem to appear sensible until you begin to pick apart the many lies they cannot defend. Most of them dont understand the quran, they are merely repeating all they have learnt from the imams in the mosque. they slide down the predictable path of irrationality the very minute the whitened sepulchre of islam is revealed to be filled with dead men's bones.

Lakpenne:

@david: again, what have you added to the debate. why ask for explanation of a verse and then say "I don't believe it."

when i ask for the "explanation" of Sura 19:71, it is not because i believe you can give any coherent explanation. Whether or not you explain it well does not matter because the quran and the anti-christ spirit behind it does not apply to me.
I only wish you to open ur eyes and see the trap the enemy has set for you clearly written in the very book you hold dear to urself. On that day you will have no one but yourself to blame as you stare at the reality of that verse and suddenly realise 2 things:

1. you had been decieved
2. there is no bridge out of there

Lakpenne:

"or because they see the power of the cross?" You mean the crosss that originated from Pagan Kemitic beliefs? That cross. LOL. UR religion is marred in pagan belief, from Christmas all the way to Easter and back to the basic beleif in the trinity. All pagan nonesense.

Like Nwando said, Christ did not invent the cross at all. Infact 2 thieves were crucified with Him that very night so the cross as two pieces of wood has no meaning to us. That is why you dont see us venerating the wooden cross (except the catholics).

the cross to christians is merely a symbol of Christ's death and resurrection. The death is the most important aspect, you can keep the cross and give it back to ur kemites when next they visit you.

For christmas and easter, we know Christ was not born on dec 25 as sheperds could not be watching their flocks in the snow. It is NOT the date that is important but the significance of it.

Belief in trinity AGAIN? did you fail to read Nwando's post #281 or am i begining to believe that muslims have a problem with brain block when it comes to logical reasoning?

Lakpenne:

I will about how xtians have historically killed Jews and continue to seek to kill them till today (hmmm, interesting)

while you are researching for that piece of propaganda, pls include allah's curses, mohammed's curse on his death bed and the CURRENT islamic obsession with destroying the jews. It is happening before our very eyes.

@david:

oh David, david. I actually never read her thread until now. I only check threads if I get an email saying someone replied and even then I don't always get them. anyway, that's no excuse:

So, Nwando basically said: "But as these Scriptures reveal the Holy Spirit is a distinct person from the Father & Jesus, and is identified as being God."

LOL. Basically the argument is "its not three Gods because we believe in only one." This despite the fact that there are three distinct person according to her own explanation. yet the three distinct persons, which we can only assume have God-like qualities are one God. Sorry, that sounds a lot like polyheism akin to the Hindu belief in one supreme being yet they believe he comes in the form of monkeys etc. Yet, you call them polytheistic pagans. explain that.

My objection to the trinity has little to do with the now tired "the math makes no sense argument." My aversion to it is more distinct and hit to the hear of theological logical belief.

As I have explain over an dover. The trinity makes not sense because (1) God is the uncreated mover and since Jesus is created he cannot be divine.
According to the Bible, Jesus cried out to God yet he is himself supposed to be God. Jesus was tempted by the devil - or at least attempted tempt, and its impossible to the Supreme most high to be tempte by anything.

I guess its what one priest said to anotther priest who had a problem with the trinity not makin sense. the priest says: "we all have the same problem but you have to have faith and just believe."

I believe in faith but at the primordial fundamental underpinnings of a belief, there must be some logic sense to it. xtian monotheism is simple not. Islamic monotheism is simple and captures everything monotheism is meant to be: There is one God, indivisible, uncreated, without any partnership and without need for anything. he is uncreated and transcendant over his creation, everything else within out realm is created and there is a clear separation in the existence of the transcendant and the non-transcendant. The transcendant eternal does not exist in the world of the non-transcendant ephemeral which will one day cease. Philisophically, logically, theological, the xtian belief is more polytheistic than monotheistic. THE END.

I have read the rest of our comments and decided they are without merit with respect to the issue of monotheism. But with respect to the Bridge, everyone Muslim shall cross it. The ones enveloped by God's mercy will cross it safely (some fast, some slow). The ones who are not, will fall to hell and remain there until such a time as God gives them mercy to exit.

As for the xtians, there is no Bridge, its a direct ticket to hell. What's the sense of judging them when there is nothing to judge by virtue of the fact that they do not have the key to enter paradise - monotheism.

Finally, as per the Jews, here';s the difference between Muslims and xtians. Our book is very open and direct about Urs and their beliefs. We do not hide it, yet they lived under us for four hundred years and elsewhere besides Spain.

As for the xtians,whenever u ruled religiously over them, u killed and persecuted them. Inquistion, Crusades, numerous expulsions all over Europe, porgrams, etc. U try to deny it and blame all the Jewish ills on Muslims when U are the real killers of Jews in history. Now, the dispensationalists dominionists will carry on the torch - I shall explain that in due time. Don't act like you don't know what dominionists preach. U are ashamed of them, yet their share UR beliefs. We Muslims are opened UR deceptive enemies.

EPILOGUE

lakpenne, you just dont understand. there is no point trying anymore.
You are free to believe that christians worship 92 Gods. All well and good as long as you read sura 17:91 to urself.

Jews . . . yes the roman catholic church (pls stop using the islamic mode of deceit to include the term "christians" here) did kill thousands of jews AND equally thousands of protestant christians. Grab books from authors such as Richard Wurmbrandt.

The largest support for Isreal? You guessed it - the USA which just happens to be the largest christian nation on earth. And those swearing to destroy Isreal - the muslims of course.

Deceit is second nature to muslims like lakpie.

david:

"The largest support for Isreal? You guessed it - the USA which just happens to be the largest christian nation on earth. And those swearing to destroy Isreal - the muslims of course. "

Funny, a Jewish commentator recently said that the "U.S. loves Israel to death - literally" meaning he dispensationalist are supporting Israel while at the same time wishing to their death once Jesus returns. Stop lying macaca.

Read Chris Hedges book on the dominionist xtians here in the U.S. - the most influential xtians here and the biggest Israel supporters. Hedges is a reformed xtian and someone I respect highly - although I disagree with him in his waterdown view even of the trinity. he is A Harvard divinity school graduate. Hsi father, I believe, is a priest. Read something on dispensationalism for God's sake b4 sayin stupid stuff. Be a true xtain.

THE END.

Lakpenne:

Funny, a Jewish commentator recently said that the "US. loves Israel to death - literally" meaning he dispensationalist are supporting Israel while at the same time wishing to their death once Jesus returns. Stop lying macaca.

Let us assume your drivel is true . . . we can safely assume that the "dispensationalists" are merely "wishing" death to the jews . . . isnt that better than those who have encamped themselves around the jews for the last 1000yrs and whose sole goal is the destruction of the jews? Care to remind us what the goals of hamas and hezbollah are?
Care to remind us which countries do not officially recognize the jews?
Care  to help us find out WHY it is a capital offence for Iranian citizens to visit Isreal?
Care to explain what ahmedinejad meant by driving isreal into the sea?
Care to explain mohammed's dying curse on the jews?
Care to explain why allah spent so much time cursing the jews?
Care to tell us why EVERY muslim nation is virulently anti-semitic?
Care to tell us why your quran refers to jews as apes and pigs?
Might you explain to us why many muslim nations like Syria still maintain an official policy of war with isreal?

and please don't spoil this by heaping all the blame on the jews because of the palestinians!

Lakpenne:

Read Chris Hedges book on the dominionist xtians here in the US. - the most influential xtians here and the biggest Israel supporters. Hedges is a reformed xtian and someone I respect highly - although I disagree with him in his waterdown view even of the trinity. he is A Harvard divinity school graduate. Hsi father, I believe, is a priest. Read something on dispensationalism for God's sake before sayin stupid stuff. Be a true xtain.

THE END.

nonsense. I put it to you that 99% of church-going americans have no use for Chris Hedges and his big Havard grammer. Why shld i read about his book? What does it have to do with the jews?

hypocrite.

I read through a brief synopsis of dispensationalism . . . and dear sir i am once again appalled at your hypocrisy. Rather than wish the death of Isreal at Christ's return it simply talks about the nation state of Isreal being clearly distinct from the rest of christianity in the sense that while Christ deals with the gentiles as individuals, He deals with the jews as a nation.

you dont understand the concept and yet claim to have read about it. How silly.

Bro, all that is in the the book of Romans if you care to read.

@david:

Care to tell me why you worship three Gods.
Care to tell me why you have no proof of anything you have said
Care to tell me why i care what other Muslim countries do
Care to tell me why the dominists wish for the death of jews in the future and you dont see nothing wrong with that
Care to tell me why am even talking about Jews right now as if I care
Care to tell me why its a crime to visit Cuba
Care to tell me why the US govt killed its own citizens in order to push forward an evil agenda
Care to tell me why we are in Iraq based on lies and we are commitin genocide in Iraq and people don't care
Care to tell me why the above matters to the question of monotheism?
Care to tell me why Allah sent Jesus if the Jews had been following the previious prophets
Care to tell me why Jesus being destined to come is any different than the others destined to come because people needed to be thought how to be saved cause they deviated
Care to tell me why U are so focused on the present last fifty years of progandised Jewish-Muslim relations but forget what Ur religion did in the past.
Care to tell me why the difference between Catholics and Xtians, basically both trinitarians, matter.
Care to tell me where the Quran calls Jews apes and pigs?
Care to tell me why God killed the people of Sodom and Ghemora?
Care to tell me why the formation of Israel matters for US foreign policy to support Israel despite unconditionally despite many US officials believing to the contrary yet when other countries have their foreign policy based negatively on the formation of Israel they are seen as evil
Care to tell me why official war against Israel is any different than other countries policy toward others.
Care to tell me why the F I even care
Care to tell me why 911 was not an inside job
Care to tell me why u will deny the above based on some stupid "conspirscy argument"
Care to tell me why U believe Muslims regurgitate yet xtians are so individually informed about their religion as if they do not themselves regurgitate what their pastor tells them?
Care to tell me who supports PLO?
Care to tell me what UR little twit mind knows about US foreign policy?
Care to tell me why U should not return to Nigeria
Care to tell me why you fail to understand the consequence of dispensationalism
Care to tell why Islam means peace but you say we are not peacefull (LOL)
Care to tell me why the reply U will give to the above is the same interpretation I will give to dispensationalist believe
Care to tell me the definition of hypocrite?


CARE TO TELL ME WHY U STILL REMAIN A POLYTHEISTS PAGAN WORSHIPPER?

I have a feeling this individual is a child.
sounds so immature

well enjoy this satire

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OF ISLAM

By: Ayesha Ahmad

[b]1 Thou shalt behead apostates, pagans and violators of blasphemy laws, it is halal for you.

2.Thou shalt extort money from Christians and Jews, the future hell dwellers, and if they refuse, kill them. But do not hurt their women and children, it is haram for you. However thou shalt enslave them, rape them or sell them for profit, it is halal for you.

3. Thou art guaranteed paradise and 72 big bosomed houris (and/or charming young boys), along with other fringes, if you cough up big bucks and take a trip to Mecca. Poverty stricken chaps and losers among you who cannot afford the trip, can earn the same privileges and more by participating in Jihad and killing the infidels. The jihadis will get the additional bonus of sharing the booty and beautiful women from the captured infidel lands.

4. Thou shalt marry a maximum of four wives at a time, except for my messenger whom I have exempted from this limit since his needs are equal to the needs of 30 Hot men. However Thou art allowed to change your wives at will for variety and maintenance of your harem quality by divorcing them and acquiring younger specimens. Old bags lose their charm and excitement and must be replenished with a fresh supply. Try to acquire younger and better looking ones preferably virgins, leave the older ones and ugliest for the losers and old fogies.

5. Thou art allowed to have unlimited number of slaves and captive women and have sex with them, it is halal for you. Gay guys among you will have to wait for their fun, we will provide them with charming young boys in paradise. Alcohol lovers, hold your horses until you make it to the paradise, there will be rivers flowing with wine, up there.

6. For those amongst you who have pedophilic tendencies, we have made underage children halal for marriage and your carnal pleasure. However let them keep and play with their dolls while you are at it so that their attention is diverted from their pain and shock. Thou art also allowed to marry your daughter in law in case you keep getting excited by her voluptuous body every time you happen to see her in skimpy clothes.



7 Thou can demand sex from your women any time and anywhere, even on a camel's back. Thou shalt keep a lash or a green stick handy in case they refuse and need a good beating. However while doing it on a camels back with your wife, make sure that the hijab is maintained by keeping all yours and her body parts covered with the burka during the action. In case of doing it with your slave girl on a camel’s back hijab requirement is exempted, you are allowed to enjoy the sunshine and the fresh air along with her curves.

8. Thou shalt not listen to music, watch t.v. or go to the movies, these activities are haram for you. However thou shalt take your family to watch beheadings of apostates and kafirs, cutting of hands and feet of petty thieves, and stoning of adulterers, their viewing is halal for you.

9.Thou shalt not indulge in haram professions like selling non halal meat, food items with lard in it, or confectionary even with 1% liquor in it or working in interest charging banks and mortgage companies etc. Thou shalt only indulge in clean and halal means of earning livelihood like slave trading, looting infidel caravans and communities, killing Jews and acquiring their goods and properties, extortion of jizya and kharaj from captured lands, and booty earning bloody Jihads.

10. Ramadan Rules. Thou art not allowed the pleasure of eating or drinking during the fast (except for wives who have to taste food lest their husbands beat them up for cooking foul tasting food) but thou art allowed to kiss your wives, slaves (only female) and the women your right hand posses, to wait out the rough afternoon hungry period. Thou art not allowed to eat pigs but thou art allowed to pig out after breaking the fast. Thou art not allowed to have conjugal relationship during the fast but art allowed to break a fast with sex instead of food. Husbands are allowed to prohibit wives from fasting to keep the ladies fresh and beautiful for a romantic evening after a hard day of fasting. [/b]

Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes

Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes

Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes

Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes

What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.

Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes

Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes

Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.

Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.

Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes

Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.

At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.

Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.

Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.

Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”

Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”

The variable names (Sin, Hubul, llumquh, Al-ilah) of moon god were used by various tribes of pagan Arabs. Pagan god SIN was the name of Moon-god.

A HUMILIATING FABRICATED HADITH

by ayesha ahmad

There is a humiliating story is quoted by all Muslims, to show our prophet was kind and please the kafirs. It is about a deranged old Jewish woman who used to throw garbage over our great apostle every day as he passed by her house. They say that the apostle one day did not see the woman and upon enquiry he found out that she was sick. So he went to pay her a visit and showed her kindness. What a lie! How could a man who cut throats for excitement take that kind of abuse lying down (The only thing he took lying down in his life was his child wife, 9 year old Ayesha, who was too tiny to handle his hefty weight in the traditional missionary position. Our prophet was against missionaries).

That story belongs to Abdul Baha, the prophet of the najis Bahais and a courageous Arab woman in Akka and not to our holy prophet. Such story does not exist in any hadith. It is plagiarized to make our holy prophet look weak. He was a courageous man. He ordered the assassination of a Jewish woman only because she had composed poetries against him. Would he let a Jewess throw garbage at him and then go and pay her a visit?.

@ Lakpenne

Care to tell me why you worship three Gods. - When you tell me all about allah's 3 daughters.

Care to tell me why you have no proof of anything you have said - even if proof itself slapped you in the face you wouldnt know it. Where is the proof that Adam was a muslim?

Care to tell me why i care what other Muslim countries do - Because they do so in your name.

Care to tell me why the dominists wish for the death of jews in the future and you don't see nothing wrong with that - they wish nothing of the sort. Such wishes exist only in the minds of islamic hypocrite seeking an excuse for their obsessive hatred of the jews.

Care to tell me why am even talking about Jews right now as if I care - Because HYPOCRITE you brought it up first!

Care to tell me why its a crime to visit Cuba - Because HYPOCRITE, it IS not!

Care to tell me why the US govt killed its own citizens in order to push forward an evil agenda - Because HYPOCRITE, they did nothing of the sort. Spend a bit more time investigating why Iran kills its homosexuals and 12yr old girls in the name of allah.

Care to tell me why we are in Iraq based on lies and we are commitin genocide in Iraq and people don't care - Because HYPOCRITE, 90% of deaths in Iraq are actually attributable to muslims themselves. Just ask those who have been victims of suicide bombs and IEDs.
Dear islamic hypocrite . . . the REAL GENOCIDE is in Darfur, care to tell us why you are all silent?

Care to tell me why the above matters to the question of monotheism? - Because HYPOCRITE, you brought it up as a form of diversion as soon as your intellectual paucity and dishonesty was exposed.

Care to tell me why Allah sent Jesus if the Jews had been following the previious prophets - Because dear deluded muslim, allah did no such thing!

Care to tell me why You are so focused on the present last fifty years of progandised Jewish-Muslim relations but forget what your religion did in the past. - Because HYPOCRITE, the roman catholics did not kill jews in the name of Jesus Christ. Dear dishonest liar, mohammed cemented muslim hatred of jews more than 1400yrs ago.

Care to tell me why the difference between Catholics and Xtians, basically both trinitarians, matter. - When you tell me the difference between Sunnis, shiites and wahhabis.

Care to tell me where the Quran calls Jews apes and pigs? - Dear hypocrite: Sura 2: 65. And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."
Sura 5: 60 Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah ? (Worse is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen and of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road.

Seen it yet?

@ Lakpenne

Care to tell me why God killed the people of Sodom and Ghemora? - Just when you tell me why allah, with mohammed his favorite thug, destroyed towns under the swords of islam.

Care to tell me why the formation of Israel matters for US foreign policy to support Israel despite unconditionally despite many US officials believing to the contrary yet when other countries have their foreign policy based negatively on the formation of Israel they are seen as evil - Because, dear HYPOCRITE, every nation has the right to exist as enshrined in the UN constitution. If you are honest with your "other countries" you mention above, ALL of them are muslim nations!

Care to tell me why official war against Israel is any different than other countries policy toward others. - Because HYPOCRITE, it is merely a continuation of the hatred of jews sown in the hearts of muslims by allah and his protege, mohammed.

Care to tell me why the F I even care - Because HYPOCRITE, you don't know what you are saying.

Care to tell me why 911 was not an inside job - Because dear HYPOCRITE, osama bn laden has CLAIMED responsibility TWICE. Dear deluded liars, there are alqaeda videos of the bombers that were released by osama bn laden!

Care to tell me why u will deny the above based on some stupid "conspirscy argument" - Because dear LIAR, only muslims with their heads stuck in the sands of denial continue to push forward nonsensical conspiracy theories to deflect responsibility for 9-11.

Care to tell me why You believe Muslims regurgitate yet xtians are so individually informed about their religion as if they do not themselves regurgitate what their pastor tells them? - Because HYPOCRITE, most muslims are unaware of the very quran they hold. You didnt even know that allah refered to jews and christians as apes in your quran lol 

Care to tell me who supports PLO? - Muslims!

Care to tell me what UR little twit mind knows about US foreign policy? - It has become the perfect excuse for terrorists and deluded muslims to commit murder in allah's name.

Care to tell me why You should not return to Nigeria - What has that got to do with anything?

Care to tell me why you fail to understand the consequence of dispensationalism - You don't understand a word of it yourself.

Care to tell why Islam means peace but you say we are not peacefull (LOL) - Because HYPOCRITE, actions are louder than words.

Care to tell me the definition of hypocrite? - a "moderate" muslim.

CARE TO TELL ME WHY You STILL REMAIN A POLYTHEISTS PAGAN WORSHIPPER? - Care to tell me why you still remain an idol worshipper?

A Lier will never prosper (Even though, the Televangelist preaches 'Prosperity,' that is worldly matters).
Some of the wealthiest people on earth do not even believe God Almighty Allah the Creator exist. However,
I am talking about a fellow who lies, in the spiritual sense. If honest debater check out the Qur'an, the
tafsir of every verse is not a hidden material. All I did, is simply just copy what the more knowledgeable
Muslim wrote about Surah AL Najm, it verses which dealt with the 3 idols that were quoted above; Enjoy-

Refuting Idolatry, Al-Lat and Al-`Uzza

Allah the Exalted rebukes the idolators for worshipping idols and taking rivals to Him. They built houses for their idols to resemble the Ka`bah built by Prophet Ibrahim, Allah's Khalil.


(Have you then considered Al-Lat,) Al-Lat was a white stone with inscriptions on. There was a house built around Al-Lat in At-Ta'if with curtains, servants and a sacred courtyard around it. The people of At-Ta'if, the tribe of Thaqif and their allies, worshipped Al-Lat. They would boast to Arabs, except the Quraysh, that they had Al-Lat. Ibn Jarir said, "They derived Al-Lat's name from Allah's Name, and made it feminine. Allah is far removed from what they ascribe to Him. It was reported that Al-Lat is pronounced Al-Lat because, according to `Abdullah bin `Abbas, Mujahid, and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, Al-Lat was a man who used to mix Sawiq (a kind of barley mash) with water for the pilgrims during the time of Jahiliyyah. When he died, they remained next to his grave and worshipped him.'' Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn `Abbas said about Allah's statement,


(Al-Lat, and Al-`Uzza.) "Al-Lat was a man who used to mix Sawiq for the pilgrims.'' Ibn Jarir said, "They also derived the name for their idol Al-`Uzza from Allah's Name Al-`Aziz. Al-`Uzza was a tree on which the idolators placed a monument and curtains, in the area of Nakhlah, between Makkah and At-Ta'if. The Quraysh revered Al-`Uzza.'' During the battle of Uhud, Abu Sufyan said, "We have Al-`Uzza, but you do not have Al-`Uzza.'' Allah's Messenger replied,


(Say, "Allah is Our Supporter, but you have no support.'') Manat was another idol in the area of Mushallal near Qudayd, between Makkah and Al-Madinah. The tribes of Khuza`ah, Aws and Khazraj used to revere Manat during the time of Jahiliyyah. They used to announce Hajj to the Ka`bah from next to Manat. Al-Bukhari collected a statement from `A'ishah with this meaning. There were other idols in the Arabian Peninsula that the Arabs revered just as they revered the Ka`bah, besides the three idols that Allah mentioned in His Glorious Book. Allah mentioned these three here because they were more famous than the others. An-Nasa'i recorded that Abu At-Tufayl said, "When the Messenger of Allah conquered Makkah, he sent Khalid bin Al-Walid to the area of Nakhlah where the idol of Al-`Uzza was erected on three trees of a forest. Khalid cut the three trees and approached the house built around it and destroyed it. When he went back to the Prophet and informed him of the story, the Prophet said to him,


(Go back and finish your mission, for you have not finished it.) Khalid went back and when the custodians who were also its servants of Al-`Uzza saw him, they started invoking by calling Al-`Uzza! When Khalid approached it, he found a naked woman whose hair was untidy and who was throwing sand on her head. Khalid killed her with the sword and went back to the Messenger of Allah , who said to him,


(That was Al-`Uzza!)'' Muhammad bin Ishaq narrated, "Al-Lat belonged to the tribe of Thaqif in the area of At-Ta'if. Banu Mu`attib were the custodians of Al-Lat and its servants.'' I say that the Prophet sent Al-Mughirah bin Shu`bah and Abu Sufyan Sakhr bin Harb to destroy Al-Lat. They carried out the Prophet's command and built a Masjid in its place in the city of At-Ta'if. Muhammad bin Ishaq said that Manat used to be the idol of the Aws and Khazraj tribes and those who followed their religion in Yathrib (Al-Madinah). Manat was near the coast, close to the area of Mushallal in Qudayd. The Prophet sent Abu Sufyan Sakhr bin Harb or `Ali bin Abi Talib to demolish it. Ibn Ishaq said that Dhul-Khalasah was the idol of the tribes of Daws, Khath`am and Bajilah, and the Arabs who resided in the area of Tabalah. I say that Dhul-Khalasah was called the Southern Ka`bah, and the Ka`bah in Makkah was called the Northern Ka`bah. The Messenger of Allah sent Jarir bin `Abdullah Al-Bajali to Dhul-Khalasah and he destroyed it. Ibn Ishaq said that Fals was the idol of Tay' and the neighboring tribes in the Mount of Tay', such as Salma and Ajja. Ibn Hisham said that some scholars of knowledge told him that the Messenger of Allah sent `Ali bin Abi Talib to Fals and he destroyed it and found two swords in its treasure, which the Prophet then gave to `Ali as war spoils. Muhammad bin Ishaq also said that the tribes of Himyar, and Yemen in general, had a house of worship in San`a' called Riyam. He mentioned that there was a black dog in it and that the religious men who went with Tubba` removed it, killed it and demolished the building. Ibn Ishaq said that Ruda' was a structure of Bani Rabi`ah bin Ka`b bin Sa`d bin Zayd Manat bin Tamim, which Al-Mustawghir bin Rabi`ah bin Ka`b bin Sa`d demolished after Islam. In Sindad there was Dhul-Ka`bat, the idol of the tribes of Bakr and Taghlib, the sons of the Wa'il, and also the Iyad tribes.

Please tell us, the the people of Nairaland, where did you get your sources of materials, which put you to shame, every time?

@david:

U are a piece of work: U quote the U.N.? LOL. U really are delusional and have no idea what the world is about. The U.N.? Give me a freaking break. U mean the non-power having waste of time entity known as the U.N.?

This is one of my favorite parts about the whole US-Israel-Muslim debate. U think US really gives two shits about Israel in the end. Once, if, Israel ever stops serving its purpose, US will abandon it in a hurry. Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid and Egypt, the birht place of Osama's ideology, is second. Explain that one.

Better, Saudi Araboa got US by the ball. Minute they and China decide to pull their money or start dealing in Euros the US currently declining dollar and economy is tanked. Why have trillions of Saudi money here if they hate Israel so much and yet US is such great friends of Israel. Further with Syria, who gives a F. U.S. outwardly plays like they are against Syria yet sends people to get tortured there

U really are dumb and believe everything U hear on T.V.

With respect to 911, U R a tripple dumb ass. The largest group of 911 victims families believe its an inside Job. Former Italian president Cossiga just declared yesterday his belief that 911 is an inside job, the father of Reagonomics (Dr. Paul Craig Roberts) says the sam, David Ray Griffin (a theologian and philosopher) says the same, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern says the same.

Most of the people behind the push to expose 911 are White Americans (Muslims, the non-Black ones a least) are too scared). Millions of them. Most good God fearing xtians who sound nothing like your fact denying self.

Please go back to sleep and talk to me when you take a reality pill. I see why you say dumb shit like Jews were not under Muslim Spain yet its a foregone conclusion. U just deny everything 0 maybe even the hollocaust - and then call people hypocrites. LOL

U say I am an idol worshipped yet give no proof but I repeatedly show you how your own book says U are an idol worshipper and how logic says the same. Again, go back to sleep.

Serious question: If one accepts Jesus and then they are considered "saved" is there anything they can do - other than rejecting Jesus - which would make then "not-saved." In other words, once you accepts, what actions, if any, will cause you to fall out of being saved, other than just out right rejection. I'm eager to know.

@osisi,

sometimes i wonder how u guys cope with 'em. Sometimes, i don't see the point arguing. . .when the people you're trying to discuss with have already made up their minds whether right or wrong without thinking. . .

wordsmith my brother,I have gone from patience unto lonsuffering.LOL

@Lakpenne: You can't 'be saved,' unless you believe in Jesus death on the Cross. And all that
accompany this gruesome event, the blood being spilled and the 3 day in the Tomb and the waking up!

Look, this is more than your believing and submitting to God Almighty, which is what is in Islam! In
Christianity, you just have to believe in Jesus. Disbelieving in God is not a calamity. But in Islam its a
different thing. The strength of the God of the Christian is directly relating to Jesus strength. The Christian
God can not do anything, including forgiveness nd judgement, without Jesus. Infact it is Jesus who
forgives and judges. In a better scenario on God, He and Jesus are coequal, like twin birth. This God is
in no way above Jesus.

The case of the Muslim is very different; The Muslims are submissive, even though they talk to their
All Powerful Almighty God without an intermediary. The God of the Muslims does not need any associate
in order to make any decision. Even Muhammad is not needed by this God in order to carry out His
decisions.

jus shuuuuurrrrrup!you got nothing meaningful to scribble.

In
Christianity, you just have to believe in Jesus. Disbelieving in God is not a calamity.

Exodus 20 begs to differ,

It is essential to believe in GOD Almighty.

@Grayfox: Which came first, God Almighty or Jesus? Even from your post above, they are separate
and part from each other! If not, bet your 1M USD fortune on it! I have a charity that I will like
to donate my winning to, which is your money. lol.

The people of Exodus you quoted to buttress your Christianity, rejected Jesus. They do not, even
now think him more than a Jewish scholar. Jesus was probably the must unsuccessful, with the
Children of Israel, amongst their many prophets. If you know better, tell us please. All you have to do
is to look at the state of Israel, or any place where they are concentrated; Christianity is a foreign
thing to them. Amongst them, you will only find handfuls of renegades, who are Christians.

Which came first, God Almighty or Jesus?

In the beginning was the WORD JOHN 1:1 Jesus was there with God in the beginning.

and then here is something that is beyond you

I and My Father are ONE. John 10:30 Jesus was speaking there.

It takes faith and the grace of GOD to assimilate.

and like I said on a different thread its G-R-E-Y (I should really consider the sound file)

The one who made the entry that I am dissecting below is so confused. It would have been
better it that fellow was Schizophrenic; we would at least accept that it is the evil personality that
was out to play.

ROFL.
and why does the spider have 8 legs? (Thats the wonder of the Creator. He creates what He will! He, alone holds Sway over all His creations)

Due to blindness,you can never comprehend the scriptures. (But a better Scripture came and makes things plain; It permits personal relation with God the Creator. You do not need anyone to mediate for you. You can talk to your Creator on One on One basis. It reminds me of the relationship between The Creator and Moses.)

Muhammad being a stark illiterate did not relay the whole Bible he heard from his Christian friends to his followers who could read and write and when he tried he got all his stories muddled up.being that he was schizophrenic. ((Yet all those friends agreed with him, because his stories were so completely better and very agreeing with human sense of understanding. They followed him and accepted him as their leader, in live and in death! None of them, after reading the Bible corrected him. Only the non Muslims whose transgression were more than pure ignorance, will declare than he took from the Bible. The question is this; why would he have left the romanticism and the many killings of the Old testament, and the over expressed love of the New testament and come out with a moderate, middle of the road masterpiece? His book agrees with all that is natural to man. There is sense of Justice in it, Mercy, Piety, Forgiveness. The book is very clear to those who God gives guidance to. I wonder how a Schizophrenic man could be so detailed, assuming that the casual contact with a Christian Monk remain in his memory, for over 30 years. The true information in the Bible, OT and NT must not have been much, if it could be told in totality in occasion of 1 meal!)

The blood of bulls and rams were replaced with a better covenant,the ultimate sacrifice because the blood of bulls could not cleanse completely,they were only a shadow of things to come. (Yet, the God is so demanding that a man had to be killed. In all of that, not all who belief in this demanded/mandated slaughter of this man, will go to heaven, based on that  belief alone. If this is so, then the death did not fulfill anything. The death must have been in vain, if there was death, the God that ordered the death is not a Good God. Allah of Islam does not demand any killing of any man. So God of Islam is a Great God. The other way of looking at this supposed death, is that it did not happen, at all. If it truly happened, and merits what the Christians claim it to be, then Hitler, Mussolini and all the killers of mankind, are in Christian heaven, already. Since none of you Christians, will accept this, then it must not have happened. Now, the statement of Muhammad in the Qur'an is very direct about this; There was no death. God is just. Its your belief and good work that will matter to God. hanging your hope on another man is pure irresponsibility.)

Now idolaters are the ones that offer up chickens and goats in front of their gods like Amadioha and shango worshippers. (The Christian did one better. They offered an innocent man! Today, the human kidnappers of Nigeria are in step with Christians. The only different is that they use their to make money)

God neither needs your bulls nor your rams. (Yet the Christian God needs the blood of an Innocent man! At least the animals, bulls, rams, etc can feed the poor. Who will eat the dead man?)

Use them and feed those beggars on your streets,you'll be rewarded for that.

@Greyfox: You couldn't answer a very simple question: Which is first, the Chicken or the egg?

Which existed first God or Jesus?

Who created God?

Who Created Jesus?

Was Jesus Created by God?

Did Jesus Created God?

When Jesus was praying, in the many prayers that he mande, was he Praying to himself or Praying to God?

Who has 100% power, Jesus or God?

Who was Jesus asking why he was forsaken (abandoned, did not rescue, did not help, etc), himself or God?

Whose hand did Jesus commit his soul/spirit?

When jesus gave up his soul, who accepted the soul?

Did God also gave up His soil, so that there was no God who was Overseer of the creations, at a time?

You could not wager your fortune, if your life depends on it, could you?

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Grayfox: Which came first, God Almighty or Jesus? Even from your post above, they are separate and part from each other!

Which came first - Muhammad or 'Allah'? Does not Islam survive on the FACT that Muhammad is not "separate" from 'Allah'? Does Islam not teach that no person and nothing is to be associated with 'Allah'?

If you turn to John 14:1 and read that Jesus said: "ye believe in God, believe also in me" - I'm sure you would still be scratiching your head about who came first! But Muslims have no problems with Muhammad "associating" himself with 'Allah' when he also taught that people should believe in 'Allah' and also in Muhammad!

olabowale:

The people of Exodus you quoted to buttress your Christianity, rejected Jesus. They do not, even now think him more than a Jewish scholar. Jesus was probably the must unsuccessful, with the Children of Israel, amongst their many prophets. If you know better, tell us please.

WHY do you like to parade deception? You have asked this same questions much early and presumed that the JEWS rejected Jesus - and many others and myself have pointed out that the MANY Jews actually believed in Him!

Let me remind YOU, olabowale:

(1) John 2:23  -  'Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.'

(2) John 4:39  -  'And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.'

(3) John 4:41  -  'And many more believed because of his own word'

(4) John 6:69  -  'And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.'

(5) John 7:31  -  'And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?'

(6) John 8:30 - 'As he spake these words, many believed on him.'

(7) John 10:42  -  'And many believed on him there.'

(8 ) John 11:45  -  'Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.'

(9) John 12:11  -  'Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.'

(10) John 12:42 - 'Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue'

Now, all the above are from the Gospel of John alone - the same Gospel that Muslims love to quote from when trying to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible!

Will you please stop this Islamic tendency to LIE, LIE and LIE!! Olabowale, it will not benefit you anything to keep lying and pretending to be blind to the truth!

olabowale:

All you have to do is to look at the state of Israel, or any place where they are concentrated; Christianity is a foreign thing to them. Amongst them, you will only find handfuls of renegades, who are Christians.

The Jews did not believe in Muhammad - whom they PROVED to be a false prophet!! Only 'renegade' Jews fell for the deceit - and many of them have since left Islam!

Why do you think Muhammad hated the JEWS and cursed them till his very last breathe?!?

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Pilgrim.1: Before I respond to your above thesis on Prophet Muhammad, I want you to chew on this, or better yet, put it in your smoking pipe, with whatever it is that you smoke, and smoke it. It will not be surprising that you smoke, based on your Slandering habit.

Rubbish! First, I don't smoke - and it is your fancy insecurity that would make you allege that someone who exposes the duplicity in Muhammad's adventures automatically becomes a smoker! Second, when Muhammad is exposed as a false prophet by the very statements in the Qur'an, you then assume the person has a "slandering habit" because you are that dense to see how many times Muslims (including YOU) have been at liberty to slander other 'prophets' under the pretence that Muslims love and respect them! Your eye never red - go stand in front of a mirror and see the effect of your marijuana on you!

olabowale:

Below is your quality, in full view of mankind:

The Threat to Those Who fabricate Slander (And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly,) means, they attribute to them things of which they are innocent, which they do not know and do not do. (they bear the crime of slander and plain sin.) This is the most serious slander, to tell or transmit things about the believing men and women that they have not done, in order to bring shame upon them and accuse them of shortcomings.

Hahaha-hehehe!! You have only managed to describe the very things Muslims do on Nairaland! It's good to know you recognize that slandering Biblical characters is a serious issue. And inspite of having admonished you several times, you threw caution to the wind and went on endlessly castigating the Lord Jesus Christ! Now you're crying this pitiful hooha about "Those Who fabricate Slander" - as if that makes you the personal secretary of angel Jibril!!

Abeg make I hear word. As far as I'm concerned, there is only one thing you could have done: simply post a summary counter arguments that the things you read in my post are not true. QED. If you have failed to do so after sweating over several pages of materials which you have ferreted from others, then understand that you've only wasted your time and resources arguing against your own confusion. The facts still stand out: Muhammad justified his own lust and fornication by pretending to receive "revelation" from 'Allah'!

Among those to whom the description most applies are those who disbelieve in Allah and His Messengers,

That again is a self-defeating acclaim - because I have asked Muslims to look into the Qur'an and see that Muhammad's adventures were certain to "increase DISBELIEF"! Now you are complaining about "those who disbelieve" Muhammad after the fact is stated in the Qur'an that Islam is a self-defeating exercise! Sorry, but it's a good thing I left when my eyes were opened to God's truth and the revelation that Muhammad has no salvation for anybody!

followed by the Rafidites who accuse the Companions of shortcomings and faults of which Allah has stated that they are innocent, and describe them as the opposite of what Allah has said about them.

Lol. . . if others commit fornication and lust after their nieces, cousins and snatch their son's wives, then they are guilty! But if Muhammad does precisely the same thing, then 'Allah' declares him as "innocent", abi? So, tell me: how does 'Allah' declare Muhammad "innocent" when he tried to snatch Zaynab from Zaid, his adopted son? Are you trying to convince yourself already that Muhammad justified fornication and lust for himself by pretending to have received "revelation" from 'Allah' to do so? What kind of hypocrisy are you trying to defend - with volumes of pages that say absolute zilch to cover up Muhammad's lust and fornication?

@olabowale,

Abu Dawud recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that it was said: "O Messenger of Allah, what is backbiting (Ghibah)'' He said, (It is when you mention something about your brother that he dislikes. ) It was asked, "But what if what I say about my brother is true'' He said, (If it is true, then you have committed backbiting (Ghibah) about him, and if it is not true, then you have slandered him.) This was also recorded by At-Tirmidhi, who said, "Hasan Sahih.''

Okay, let me get this straight: your complaint now is that people are "backbiting" because they are telling the truth that Muslims have been trying to hide about Muhammad for centuries, abi? For starters you ought to understand that the complaint above is futile - people like me who saw the hideous duplicity in Muhammad's religion LEFT it forever; and we owe ourselves the simple responsibility of constantly telling the TRUTH about Muhammad, regardless who is feeling that anyone is biting their backs !

Perhaps you need to educate yourself a little about the real meaning of "backbiting" - another word for that term is "quetching", which is simply to express complaints, discontent, displeasure, or unhappiness! All these things hardly have anything to do with me or my posts - because I'm not here to 'complain' about Muhammad, for he's of no consequence to me at all. Rather, you Muslims ought to go home and ask yourselves why you're the ones complaining about why your arguments for Muhammad are a huge sophism to the hapless souls he is leading straight to Hell!

I presume that the reason why you referred to that hadith is because you would rather that everyone kept quite about the real and unblemished truth in Muhammad's career - while you errand boys of the Quraish prophet are busy slandering the Biblical prophets with your lies and duplicity! I'm sorry for you, olabowale - that jaundiced idea will not hold. And the earlier you get done with the tendency to keep lying for 'Allah' and Muhammad, the better for your soul.

@Pilgrim.1: As the Ibadan people say: O ba mi nbe! As I said earlier, you to me, madam,
is a shameless slanderer.

It is of no consequence to me at all that you assume me to be a slanderer. For what? Just because I quoted the same Qur'an that claerly shows how Muhammad tried to justify unbridled sexual lust for himself by a pretended "revelation" from 'Allah'? So, in order for me to remain in your good books, I should have kept quite about Muhammad's lewd adventures while you Muslims continue to cast aspersion on Jesus Christ and claim that you are referring to TWO different Jesus?!? You should rather be burying your head in the sand instead of hiding behind your finger.

I begin, by Allah my refuttal of your slandering. Suratul Azhab clearly
tells us the nature of Muhammad (as), as regards to his wives.

I've read your bloviates thereto; but sad to say, by 'Allah' your refuttal was rather a confirmation of the fact that the nature of Muhammad's sexual lust was salacious, raunchy, and begrimed. QED.

@Pilgrim.1:I want you to read, with the best of understanding that may remain in your lying body. Then know that Muhammad ibn Abdallah, the Prophet of Allah, was not the man who you are painting in your dubious picture.

Great. You're now sounding like the toddler you are if you don't have eyes to read that Muhammad's life was salacious. That you see it as 'dubious' does not erase the facts that is confirmed in both the Qur'an and the Hadiths.

Indeed, the sexual restriction that I place on myself, is simply based on what i gotten from the Qur'an. Aisha (ra), stated that Muhammad is the walking Qur'an. I believe it and I have no problem in accepting it 100%

"Muhammad is the walking Qur'an" - if that makes sense, then the Qur'an is a book of sexual perversion, in as much as Muhammad's life in this area was so raunchy that he was famed to as the prophet with the strength of 30 men in his sexual escapades!

Do you realize the garboil that you claim to believe 100%? Was it not the same Aisha who said that 'Allah' hurries to please Muhammad in his lust for women? ("Aisha said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you" - Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Book 62, Num. 48). Which only confirms my point - that Muhammad received "revelation" to justify his lust and unbridled luxuria!

I know - your eye dey red; but after crying, face up and sit tight to read more revealing facts about the man who was the "walking Qur'an!" He Married a child when she was 6 y.o. and took her to bed when she turned 9 y.o. - Muslims in their usual confusion are busy denying the fact and quoting all sorts of figues to prop up Aisha's age! He also gave prohibitions to others from chasing after the wives of their sons, while he dribbled his lust with a pretentious "revelation" from 'Allah' to snatch Zaynab, wife of his adopted son! And those are just samples of "the walking Qur'an!"

Olabowale, grow up!

@olabowale,

The Threat to Those Who fabricate Slander
(And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly,) means, they attribute to them things of which they are innocent, which they do not know and do not do.

You can threaten all you want, but the facts are not fabrications about Muhammad's salacious life - unless you want to consider the references in the Qur'an and Hadiths as "fabrications".

You call it 'slander'; but you were unmindful of your vocabulary when castigating the Lord Jesus Christ! Sorry, but what you read in my replies are facts straight out of your Qur'an - no editing, no rephrasing, no politically correct redaction!! And if you consider them as 'fabrications', then I can rest my case in accepting that the Qur'an is a huge book of begrimed fabrications!

`A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said, `Do I need to consult my parents concerning you I choose Allah and His Messenger, but I ask you not to tell of my choice to your other wives.' He said: (Allah did not send me to be harsh, but He sent me to teach in a gentle and easy manner.

'Gentle and easy manner' - was that another fabrication? If I tell you the truth from your Qur'an about Muhammad's harsh manners, would you cry red blood again and call the Qur'an a fabrication? I hope you're sitting down - because I don't want you to take a heart-attack when you once again read the facts.

Here are a few:

Sura 9:73

"O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites!
Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless
journey's end." (Pickthall's tr.)

"O prophet, wage war against the unbelievers and the hypocrites,
and be severe unto them: For their dwelling shall be hell;
an unhappy journey [shall it be thither]!" (Sale's tr.)

- - - - - -

Sura 48:29

'Muhammad (SAW) is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with
him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves'
(Hilali-Khan's tr.)

'Muhammad - the messenger of GOD - and those with him are harsh
and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate
amongst themselves' (Khalifa's tr.)

'Mohammed [is] the apostle of God: And those who are with him are
fierce against the unbelievers, [but] compassionate towards one another'
(Sale's tr.)

Now, are all the above verses from the Qur'an the same thing as "fabrications"? You guys often like to smooth over the real issues and pretend that Muhammad was a tamed soul on good morals and virtues. But the fact in the Qur'an boldly asserts that Muhammad was a harsh soul.

He said: (Allah did not send me to be harsh, but He sent me to teach in a gentle and easy manner.

Of course, there are several more verses (besides those quoted in my previous rejoinder) revealing that Muhammad received 'revelations' from Allah to be fierce, harsh, and savagely towards non-Muslims. Compare that with what the Lord Jesus Christ taught Christians in relating with non-Christians:

Mathew 5:44-55
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully
use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father
which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on
the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The belligerent nature of Islam is self-evident in every facet of society. You guys have no love for people, inspite of your empty boast of Islam being the "religion of peace". Another reason that helped me get out of Islam was my discovering the lies and cover up being offered to deceive the public about the violence in Muhammad's religion!

Unless Muhammad forced people to become Muslims, he had no rest in his heart until he saw their necks severed by his sword! You can imagine the glee in his jubilation that he had been "made victorious with terror" (Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 52, Num. 220). That is not difficult to understand, especially because his assertion still remains in the Qur'an that he was "commanded" (according to Sura 48:29) to be harsh, severe/stern/fierce towards non-Muslims. This is corroborated by the Hadith (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24) which records that: 'Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle'. Whoever is still thinking the fallacy that Islam was spread by Muhammad's claim to have been sent in "a gentle and easy manner" will continue to be fooled forever!

The hypocrisy and duplicity to cover up Muhammad's belligerent nature and manners is age-old. As in another example in Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 34, Num. 335. There we read about Ata bin Yasar (the narrator) who had asked Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As concerning ''the description of Allah's Apostle which is mentioned in Torah (i.e. Old Testament)". The response (partly quoted):

[list][list]He replied, 'Yes. By Allah, he is described in Torah with some of the qualities attributed to him in the Quran as follows: "O Prophet ! We have sent you as a witness (for Allah's True religion) And a giver of glad tidings (to the faithful believers), And a warner (to the unbelievers) And guardian of the illiterates. You are My slave and My messenger (i.e. Apostle). I have named you "Al-Mutawakkil" (who depends upon Allah). You are neither discourteous, harsh Nor a noise-maker in the markets And you do not do evil to those Who do evil to you, but you deal With them with forgiveness and kindness. [/list][/list]

But even though Muslims are willing to be gullible believers in obvious duplicity, what do the facts reveal? Is it true that Muhammad was "neither discourteous nor harsh"?!? Of course, Muslims often holler that "the truth" about Muhammad are "fabrications"; and yet, these Muslims have failed to see that the Qur'an itself (ch. 9:73 and 48:29) bears the facts that Muhammad was indeed a harsh and intolerant man with an intolerant religion!