Mazaje (Mazan Kworai)

Lets Discuss 'Atheism'

Let me keep start it by asking you to

1. Define Atheism in your own words

2. Give a little insight on your journey to finding atheism

Ina fata za mu yi hiran cin gaba

mkmyers45: Mazaje (Mazan Kworai)

Lets Discuss 'Atheism'

Let me keep start it by asking you to

1. Define Atheism in your own words

Disbelief in all the gods of religion that men worship, because all the gods and religions are man made. . .

2. Give a little insight on your journey to finding atheism

Go through this post, I once narrated my story there. . .I actually started as a christian here on NL https://www.nairaland.com/316436/mazaje-when-did-leave-christianity

Ina fata za mu yi hiran cin gaba

kworai kuwa, za mu yi. . .

mazaje:
Disbelief in all the gods of religion that men worship, because all the gods and religions are man made. . .

now each religion claim certain things and all say they are from Gods and point to the life and acts of men as evident characters of their God...Are you trying to say that historical accounts of these men's life were wrong or falsified?

mkmyers45:

now each religion claim certain things and all say they are from Gods and point to the life and acts of men as evident characters of their God...Are you trying to say that historical accounts of these men's life were wrong or falsified?

They are falsified. . .Some were completely made up. . .

mazaje1:

They are falsified. . .Some were completely made up. . .

Are you trying to say that historical accounts of humans e.g Biblical figures like Moses,Aaron are falsified...Although we can draw similarities in them with characters from Egyptian records?

@Mazaje, I just read your story....
I want to point out just one little detail: You do realize that you were placed in the exact same position as the early christians. They were faced with people totally ignorant of God's gift in Christ Jesus. They didn't just abandon their faith rather they evangelized. As a true christian, you ought to have jumped at the opportunity to share the gospel of Christ.

Perhaps later on in this thread, I'll tell you how I came to become born-again.

mkmyers45:

Are you trying to say that historical accounts of humans e.g Biblical figures like Moses,Aaron are falsified...Although we can draw similarities in them with characters from Egyptian records?

Yeah, either falsified or grossly embellished. . .

Mr_Anony: @Mazaje, I just read your story....
I want to point out just one little detail: You do realize that you were placed in the exact same position as the early christians. They were faced with people totally ignorant of God's gift in Christ Jesus. They didn't just abandon their faith rather they evangelized. As a true christian, you ought to have jumped at the opportunity to share the gospel of Christ.

Perhaps later on in this thread, I'll tell you how I came to become born-again.

God's gift of Jusus christ? Why not Mohammed's final revelation to man kind? Or Shiva's revelation of the truth. . .Religion is nothing but following a people's tradition which are nothing but mythology. . . .They people had their own truth and as such do not need my own truth. . . .

mazaje1:

Yeah, either falsified or grossly embellished. . .

Are you a firm believer in the big b[b]a[/b]ng and evolution?

mazaje1:

Yeah, either falsified or grossly embellished. . .

When my pastor went to Jerusalem he snapped the pics of where Jesus was buried and so many pics that i cant remember. can u please tell me how those things came up if there re no real

mazaje1:

God's gift of Jusus christ? Why not Mohammed's final revelation to man kind? Or Shiva's revelation of the truth. . .Religion is nothing but following a people's tradition which are nothing but mythology. . . .They people had their own truth and as such do not need my own truth. . . .

Lol, so you believe that there can be a multitude of different truths?

mkmyers45:

Are you a firm believer in the big b[b]a[/b]ng and evolution?

Nope, i am not a firm believer of the two hypothesis. . . .They are possiblities but they don't present the kind of factual evidence i need. . .So for that I am not a firm believer in them. . .Personally I believe we don't know anything about how the universe came about, every body is just speculating no one truly knows. . .

gendebs:

When my pastor went to Jerusalem he snapped the pics of where Jesus was buried and so many pics that i cant remember. can u please tell me how those things came up if there re no real

I just hope that you know that there are two different tombs of Jesus presently in Jerusalem. . .People visit both tombs. . .The two tombs are just symbolic, they are not the real tombs of Jesus as reported in the bible. . .

Mr_Anony:
Lol, so you believe that there can be a multitude of different truths?

Nope, I believe that there are multitudes of mythical narratives and legends all claiming dominion as the true words of the creator/creators of the universe. . .

mazaje:

Nope, I believe that there are multitudes of mythical narratives and legends all claiming dominion as the true words of the creator/creators of the universe. . .

So in other words, what you believe now is true all other narratives are false. Did you also believe at the time you were in Thailand that what you believed was true and their narrative false?

Mr. Anony, you're killing the thread...

musKeeto: Mr. Anony, you're killing the thread...

Lol, really?

gendebs:

When my pastor went to Jerusalem he snapped the pics of where Jesus was buried and so many pics that i cant remember. can u please tell me how those things came up if there re no real

who confirmed it to be the tomb of jesus?what relics were left behind?all that is to promote tourism.the osun-osogbo people claim their first king received a fish from the river goddess at a certain spot and so a shrine was erected there.the ile-ife people made a statue and placed it the spot where oduduwa apparently descended from heaven.they have another one commemorating the descension of "ogun-laadi".the ashanti believe the golden stoool descended from heaven.different tales with different belief system.if you believe one then you believe all

Mr_Anony:
So in other words, what you believe now is true all other narratives are false. Did you also believe at the time you were in Thailand that what you believed was true and their narrative false?

At that time I was indoctrinated and made to believe that one religious myth was superior to all other religious myths. . .I did my own research and realized that all religious myths are equally valid or invalid. . .

musKeeto: Mr. Anony, you're killing the thread...

I don't think he is killing the thread. . .

mazaje:

At that time I was indoctrinated and made to believe that one religious myth was superior to all other religious myths. . .I did my own research and realized that all religious myths are equally valid or invalid. . .

In other words, you didn't really believe it to be true, you only liked the theory of it.

Mr_Anony:
In other words, you didn't really believe it to be true, you only liked the theory of it.

I believed it was true, one thing with religious faith that I notice is that you first believe and then you see, it becomes the truth after you believe, unlike in real life where you first see before you believe. . .

mazaje:

Nope, i am not a firm believer of the two hypothesis. . . .They are possiblities but they don't present the kind of factual evidence i need. . .So for that I am not a firm believer in them. . .Personally I believe we don't know anything about how the universe came about, every body is just speculating no one truly knows. . .

and don't you think the real answer to how the universe came back may lie with a 'God' known or unknown?

mkmyers45:

and don't you think the real answer to how the universe came back may lie with a 'God' known or unknown?

God is a loaded term. . .Its possible that the universe was created by something or so many things, I don't know and I don't care because we as humans do not have the answer for now. . .Its also possible that the universe self created it self. . .I do not know and do not care. . .All I know is that the universe was NOT created by Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Palagon, and all the other gods of man made religions. Humans created this gods for various reasons. . . like to help explain away many things they couldn't or because the want to propagate their own ideas, way of life and use it to dominate others. . .

mazaje:

God is a loaded term. . .Its possible that the universe was created by something or so many things, I don't know and I don't care because we as humans do not have the answer for now. . .Its also possible that the universe self created it self. . .[/b]I do not know and do not care. . .[b]All I know is that the universe was NOT created by Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Palagon, and all the other gods of man made religions. Humans created this gods for various reasons. . . like to help explain away many things they couldn't or because the want to propagate their own ideas, way of life and use it to dominate others. . .

Ok ....Firstly we have pantheist who believe the universe as the god....Secondly What if the true 'creator,catalyst,supernatural being,god etc' in question is either unknown, unpronounced or exclusive to human knowledge? As a professing atheist im finding hard to believe that you dont have a clear-cut stance on life origin which is the key to the 'god' question....

mkmyers45:

Ok ....Firstly we have pantheist who believe the universe as the god....Secondly What if the true 'creator,catalyst,supernatural being,god etc' in question is either unknown, unpronounced or exclusive to human knowledge? As a professing atheist im finding hard to believe that you dont have a clear-cut stance on life origin which is the key to the 'god' question....

Sure, the universe could be god for whom ever wishes to give it that label. . .My position is if the universe has a creator or creators no body know what it is or what they are, every body is just speculating, the hypothesis that religions proffer of the creator or creators of the universe if anything like that exist deserving worship, answering prayers, speaking the human language, interacting with them, having a chosen men, or a right religion is all FALSE and pure DELUSION. . . .All religions and the gods they worship are man made, 5000 years ago in ancient egypt Ra was the only god, Jesus god and allah god as we now know them came into existence 2000 and 1400 years old respectively, before then gods like zeus, Amun etc were the true gods to various people depending on their location. . .

I do not care about the origin of life because nobody knows that for sure, all the hypothesis and speculations out there do not have substantial evidence to back them up as such I reject all of them. . . Some are more valid than others though. . .Some religious creation myth make more sense than others. . .But all are myths and that's all they are. . .

mazaje:

Sure, the universe could be god for whom ever wishes to give it that label. . .My position is if the universe has a creator or creators no body know what it is or what they are, every body is just speculating, the hypothesis that religions proffer of the creator or creators of the universe if anything like that exist deserving worship, answering prayers, speaking the human language, interacting with them, having a chosen men, or a right religion is all FALSE and pure DELUSION. . . .All religions and the gods they worship are man made, 5000 years ago in ancient egypt Ra was the only god, Jesus god and allah god as we now know them came into existence 2000 and 1400 years old respectively, before then gods like zeus, Amun etc were the true gods to various people depending on their location. . .

I do not care about the origin of life because nobody knows that for sure, all the hypothesis and speculations out there do not have substantial evidence to back them up as such I reject all of them. . . Some are more valid than others though. . .Some religious creation myth make more sense than others. . .But all are myths and that's all they are. . .

So

- You are of the opinion that the universe may actually be the work of a creator
- Origin of life is a question without a 'truly universal' answer?

I hope my assumptions are right

]Only physics, not religion, can and would eventually answer or come close to answering the questions about how the universe began.

mazaje:

At that time I was indoctrinated and made to believe that one religious myth was superior to all other religious myths. . .I did my own research and realized that all religious myths are equally valid or invalid. . .



I don't think he is killing the thread. . .

Mr_Anony:
Lol, really?

My bad...

mazaje:

I believed it was true, one thing with religious faith that I notice is that you first believe and then you see, it becomes the truth after you believe, unlike in real life where you first see before you believe. . .

If you truly believed it was true, why you didn't try at all to convince them of your truth beats me. What I am pointing to is that you were most likely not a christian at the time because if you were, you would have at least made an attempt to show them the light and convince them of the truth.

mazaje:

Sure, the universe could be god for whom ever wishes to give it that label. . .My position is if the universe has a creator or creators no body know what it is or what they are, every body is just speculating, the hypothesis that religions proffer of the creator or creators of the universe if anything like that exist deserving worship, answering prayers, speaking the human language, interacting with them, having a chosen men, or a right religion is all FALSE and pure DELUSION. . . .All religions and the gods they worship are man made, 5000 years ago in ancient egypt Ra was the only god, Jesus god and allah god as we now know them came into existence 2000 and 1400 years old respectively, before then gods like zeus, Amun etc were the true gods to various people depending on their location. . .

I do not care about the origin of life because nobody knows that for sure, all the hypothesis and speculations out there do not have substantial evidence to back them up as such I reject all of them. . . Some are more valid plausible than others though. . .Some religious creation myth make more sense than others. . .But all are myths and that's all they are. . .

On point.
Pardon my minor editing.

Na wa oh see as mazaje don turn star for here?
My guy me and you be P square before oh.

Na only Jesoul been even dey send me that year, but before I know she don go too.

mkmyers45:

So

- You are of the opinion that the universe may actually be the work of a creator

Sure, its possible the universe has a creator or creators, there is no concrete evidence for such but i personally allow the possibility for such. . .Since there is no signature evidence for such an assumption, i just leave it as a possibility. . .What I do know is that NON of the god/gods of man made religion has anything to do with the universe since such gods are all a creation of men. . .

- Origin of life is a question without a 'truly universal' answer?

No one knows, people are only speculating. . .I do not believe in the "it is either god or its nothing concept". I am very OK with the I don't know option since that is the fact anyway. .No body knows. . .As such no one can provide any evidence at all. . .So far all we have are speculations and mythologies proffered as evidence. . .

I hope my assumptions are right

Yep