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Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 1:50am On Jul 19, 2012
mazaje:

Yeah I said in some cases because sometimes things like ignorance have to be factored in. . .And in other cases the lack of evidence is not so clear cut. . .

Ok..so you are agreeing with the fact that maybe in future newfound and strong may come up in support of God's existence?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by Nobody: 1:53am On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

Oh really...shall we journey to Egypt together? cheesy cheesy
Oga mi, most atheists here are able to clearly explain their views, not muddle or in some instances purposely obfuscate issues like some theists here do...
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 1:55am On Jul 19, 2012
musKeeto:
Oga mi, most atheists here are able to clearly explain their views, not muddle or in some instances purposely obfuscate issues like some theists here do...

any names come to mind?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 1:55am On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

Ok..so you are agreeing with the fact that maybe in future newfound and strong may come up in support of God's existence?

Which god exactly?. . .God is a loaded term. . .No newfound evidence can come up for allah god for example because mohammed and his cronies created that god. . .No new found evidence can come up for jesus god because we know that god is a creation of the early christians. . .No new evidence for Rah and zues god can come up because those gods are dead already. .No body believes in them any more. . .If you are saying that newfound evidence can come up for the origin of life and origin of the universe then sure its very plausible and possible. . .
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by Nobody: 1:59am On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

any names come to mind?
U sabi find trouble o... grin grin grin plenty names, if na primary school, i for call am names of noisemakers cheesy
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 2:02am On Jul 19, 2012
mazaje:

Which god exactly?. . .God is a loaded term. . .No newfound evidence can come up for allah god for example because mohammed and his cronies created that god. . .No new found evidence can come up for jesus god because we know that god is a creation of the early christians. . .No new evidence for Rah and zues god can come up because those gods are dead already. .No body believes in them any more. . .If you are saying that newfound evidence can come up for the origin of life and origin of the universe then sure its very plausible and possible. . .

Yes and maybe a possible new unknown 'god/supernaturate'? etc
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 2:03am On Jul 19, 2012
musKeeto:
U sabi find trouble o... grin grin grin plenty names, if na primary school, i for call am names of noisemakers cheesy

1. F.......
2. tp......
3. ??

I get am?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by Nobody: 2:05am On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

1. F.......
2. tp......
3. ??

I get am?
Lmao... of course... one even claim repentance recently.. wink
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 2:06am On Jul 19, 2012
musKeeto:
Lmao... of course... one even claim repentance recently.. wink

ehhee na so? grin grin
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by MrAnony1(m): 2:08am On Jul 19, 2012
@mazage, What is the existential benefit of Atheism? How does atheism explain existence?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 2:08am On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

Yes and maybe a possible new unknown 'god/supernaturate'? etc

Sure. . .As Plateon stated ealier on, science is what will tell humans about the origin of the universe and life not religion. . .
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 2:12am On Jul 19, 2012
Mr_Anony: @mazage, What is the existential benefit of Atheism? How does atheism explain existence?

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods, it has nothing to do with the explanation of existence because it does not claim to know or explain existence. . . .That is for science, philosophy religions etc . . .
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by MrAnony1(m): 2:17am On Jul 19, 2012
mazaje:

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods, it has nothing to do with the explanation of existence because it does not claim to know or explain existence. . . .That is for science, philosophy religions etc . . .

Then, can you give any logical reason why a theist should exchange his/her explanation for existence for a non-explanation?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 2:18am On Jul 19, 2012
mazaje:

Sure. . .As Plateon stated ealier on, science is what will tell humans about the origin of the universe and life not religion. . .

What does the atheist position offer people? How has it improved your life? Why will it improve others’ lives?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 2:28am On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

What does the atheist position offer people? How has it improved your life? Why will it improve others’ lives?

I really need to go and sleep now, am going to Nigeria tomorrow, today since its already morning here, I need to rest now. . .I promise to answer when I get to Lagos. . .Good night abi na good morning sef. . . smiley
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 2:32am On Jul 19, 2012
mazaje:

I really need to go and sleep now, am going to Nigeria tomorrow, today since its already morning here, I need to rest now. . .I promise to answer when I get to Lagos. . .Good night abi na good morning sef. . . smiley



will you come to the north?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 2:33am On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

will you come to the north?

I will be in Abuja and Benue. . .
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 2:38am On Jul 19, 2012
mazaje:

I will be in Abuja and Benue. . .

will you stay for a while...??
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by Chrisbenogor(m): 12:04pm On Jul 19, 2012
*rushes in front of the camera and waves frantically. See me yay!!* grin grin
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 9:19pm On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

will you stay for a while...??

I no move again. Something came up today at the dying minute, but its all good sha. .Had to shif the date to wednessday next week. .I will be there for 3 weeks. . .

Chrisbenogor: *rushes in front of the camera and waves frantically. See me yay!!* grin grin

grin grin
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 10:38pm On Jul 19, 2012
mazaje:

I no move again. Something came up today at the dying minute, but its all good sha. .Had to shif the date to wednessday next week. .I will be there for 3 weeks. . .



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What does the atheist position offer people? How has it improved your life? Why will it improve others’ lives?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 10:57pm On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

What does the atheist position offer people? How has it improved your life? Why will it improve others’ lives?

Atheism offer different things to different people, I can only speak for my self. . .To me the atheistic point of view is more helpful and grounded in reality, it is more proactive than the archaic religious one. With atheism I value learning more about the world, its people and how it functions as an entity, as opposed to just being told what to believe about it and doing so blindly because some people want others to reason along their preconceived and myopic ideas about the world.Gaining the freedom to make my own opinions without fear of retribution or the excessive guilt that religion imposes on its adherents. Religious people are always worried about bad things and what might happen, many believe their stay here is just a test and give more importance to the life after instead of fully enjoying the here and now. . . .

I prefer a life that is creative with positive potentials, a life without 'distractions' like the unnecessary fear and hatred associated with religions. Anything that man needs to do must be done by man himself, what ever I want to do i try to do it instead of wasting time hoping and praying for a miracle. Imagine not having to live in fear of what religions espouse? Its really emancipating. . .Atheism has improved my life by clearing my sight and making me much more open to different experiences, instead of just believing that the bubble I have been indoctrinated with and living in is the only true and right experience or way. . .
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 11:09pm On Jul 19, 2012
mazaje:

Atheism offer different things to different people, I can only speak for my self. . .To me the atheistic point of view is more helpful and grounded in reality, it is more proactive than the archaic religious one. With atheism I value learning more about the world, its people and how it functions as an entity, as opposed to just being told what to believe about it and doing so blindly because some people want others to reason along their preconceived and myopic ideas about the world.Gaining the freedom to make my own opinions without fear of retribution or the excessive guilt that religion imposes on its adherents. Religious people are always worried about bad things and what might happen, many believe their stay here is just a test and give more important to the life after instead of fully enjoying the here and now. . . .

I prefer a life that is creative with positive potentials, a life without 'distractions' like the unnecessary fear and hatred associated with religions. Anything that man needs to do must be done by man himself, what ever I want to do i try to do it instead of wasting time hoping and praying for a miracle. Imagine not having to live in fear of what religions espouse? It really emancipating. . .Atheism has improved my life by clearing my sight and making me much more open to different experiences, instead of just believing that the bubble I have been indoctrinated with and living in is the only true and right experience or way. . .

Ok, If all Christians believed that the Bible was entirely allegorical, what would you argue in support of your position?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 11:15pm On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45:

Ok, If all Christians believed that the Bible was entirely allegorical, what would you argue in support of your position?

It won't change my position at all. . .Some christians actually argue that most of the bible is allegorical. . .The bible is a religious document whose claims and assertion are mostly false.
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 11:32pm On Jul 19, 2012
mazaje:

It won't change my position at all. . .Some christians actually argue that most of the bible is allegorical. . .The bible is a religious document whose claims and assertion are mostly false.
How did your family react to your atheism?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 11:44pm On Jul 19, 2012
mkmyers45: How did your family react to your atheism?

They NEVER accepted it when i showed them my doubts, didn't come out fully but just let them know about my doubts, It was a fight knew I will never win so I just let them have their way. . .My mum is an end of day enthusiast that believes Jesus will come tomorrow grin. She TRULY believes we are in the end times and Jesus will come in her life time or the rapture will take place during her life time . . .Wealth and the good life has made her relax her position a bit now, money always have a way of changing people. . .My step dad is a closet atheist I think. . .My bothers and sisters are all christians that strongly believe in Yahweh's existence. . .
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 12:12am On Jul 20, 2012
mazaje:

They NEVER accepted it when i showed them my doubts, didn't come out fully but just let them know about my doubts, It was a fight knew I will never win so I just let them have their way. . .My mum is an end of day enthusiast that believes Jesus will come tomorrow grin. She TRULY believes we are in the end times and Jesus will come in her life time or the rapture will take place during her life time . . .Wealth and the good life has made her relax her position a bit now, money always have a way of changing people. . .My step dad is a closet atheist I think. . .My bothers and sisters are all christians that strongly believe in Yahweh's existence. . .

What if you die and find out there is a 'God/Deity' that you didnt surrender/believe in?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 12:30am On Jul 20, 2012
mkmyers45:

What if you die and find out there is a 'God/Deity' that you didnt surrender/believe in?

I won't. .If I do, I will take full consequence for my actions. . .No god/deity has told me that he wants me to surrender/believe in him. If I meet such then we will discuss. . .
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 12:33am On Jul 20, 2012
mazaje:

I won't. .If I do, I will take full consequence of my actions. . .No god/deity has told me that he wants me to surrender/believe in him. If I meet such then we will discuss. . .

what will be the nature of this discussions? What will you ask him?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 12:39am On Jul 20, 2012
mkmyers45:

what will be the nature of this discussions? What will you ask him?

Why must it be a him?. ..It could be them. . .It could be her and him. . .It could be anything. . .If i meet any deity or deities I will ask them what exactly they want from me, if i have done anything wrong to them personally. . .We will have a serious discussion. . . .
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mkmyers45(m): 12:41am On Jul 20, 2012
mazaje:

Why must it be a him?. ..It could be them. . .It could be her and him. . .It could be anything. . .If i meet any deity or deities I will ask them what exactly they want from me, if i have done anything wrong to them personally. . .We will have a serious discussion. . . .

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Do you think a better standard of living made you more receptive to Atheism?
Re: Mazaje: Let's Discuss Atheism: An Insight by mazaje(m): 12:46am On Jul 20, 2012
mkmyers45:

grin grin grin

Do you think a better standard of living made you more receptive to Atheism?

Not really, better education and exposure. . .

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