Cutiekatty:

For me, I grew up in Cele but Now I can never go back there again not in this life or next to come, there were some Cele churches I knew back then that really operate openly without behind the scene practicals ,just like native doctors on suit as taken over 70% of the Pentecostal churches,same goes for Cele or k&c. The Cele I attended as a child was beside my house all we did was pray,dance, fast,just like normal churches, until they brought one Yoruba pastor the nigga show us many things, wicked things, he even nark one late deaconess daughter belle, bath married women ,used black,red,yellow,blue.
Sometimes goat.

is that a function of Cele or human beings

It is like saying you won't send your kid to university because one lecturer in UNILAG did something.
I am.not an advocate of Cele but just reflecting the logic of your statement.
Because a teacher molests a child is not an indictment of nursery education

Menclothing:
90 percent activity in that church is traditional it should be called a modern traditional church

That is the same ALL OVER THE WORLD

TRADITIONS vary

FxMasterz:


The New Testament was written in Greek for the same reasons you and I are writing in English.

That is wrong
Greece never colonised Judaea.
Pontius Pilate was not Greek . Neither was Herod.
The Romans were in charge.
We are made to believe the New Testament or parts of it were written by Jesus' disciples. Where did they learn Greek? When?

The reason or reasons are not the same.
The people of Jesus time were already literate and spoke Aramaic

Jesus read in the Temple . There is no evidence he spoke Greek

Gajagojo:

What is the source of this definition? You cannot decree and impose a definition

Miriam Webster Dictionary. Phrase 3

alabo1:


Miriam Webster Dictionary. Phrase 3

rubbish

Even if them dey share millions to people for free, white garment church will be the last place I will ever enter neither will I have anything to do with anyone of their members especially a spouse..
If u have been to occultic place or engaged in occultic practices, u will see that they are very similar to what is practiced in white garment churches.
When u hear celestial, cherubim and seraphim its clear does are the forces they are consulting and worshipping not Jesus.
once your faith is not JESUS CENTRED and does follow the teachings of Jesus christ then u are worshipping something/someone else..
Let JESUS be our guide

Gajagojo:

That is wrong
Greece never colonised Judaea.
Pontius Pilate was not Greek . Neither was Herod.
The Romans were in charge.
We are made to believe the New Testament or parts of it were written by Jesus' disciples. Where did they learn Greek? When?

The reason or reasons are not the same.
The people of Jesus time were already literate and spoke Aramaic

Jesus read in the Temple . There is no evidence he spoke Greek

Greece was the world power before Rome. The official language of the world was already Greek before Rome took over.

All the learned people of the time spoke Greek including the Roman warlords and proconsuls. Latin was never the official language of the Roman empire for a long time.

otipoju:


You are extremely ignorant.

A. Israel was at war and as long as Moses hands were raised up...the battle would be in their favor, when his hands came down they would start loosing. So to they hand men hold his hands up until they utterly defeated their enemies.

Question: what is the correlation between raining or lowering of a mans hands with winning a battle.

B. The prophet told the king to hit the ground with his stick. The King hit it lightly just 3 times. The prophet admonished him saying had he hit the ground hard like 5 to 7 times, his enemies would have been defeated completely.

What is the correlation between physically hitting a stick on the ground at all with defeating ones enemies in a war.

C. Jesus spat on the ground, made a paste of mud and rubbed it on a blind man's eyes and told him to go wash. The man did as Jesus commanded and his eyes became opened.


Question: what has spit and mud and washing off with water got to do with a opening of a blind eye...especially if Jesus could simply command the eyes to be opened like he told Lazurus to come forth from the tomb or "speak the word " while in a different city and Jarius the Roman's daughter to be restored.

D. What is so powerful about a females menstrual blood that it could drain so much power from Jesus that he noticed immediately even though the large crowd was swirling around him and touching him.


If you can explain these then we might have a conversation about Christianity and faith...until then sit down and keep quiet.

The problem with you Pentecostal novices is that you think you know it all...whereas you and your so called "man made gods " know next to nothing about Spirituality.

What anointing do I need to fall under if your prayer is to God. Leave all that nonsense gimmicks to one side.

You guys blab unintelligible nonsense under the guise of speaking in tounges.

...whereas the real speaking in tounges is to speak in foreign language that its native speakers can understand...but the person speaking did not learn and may not even understand the language.

Is that not what happened on the day of Pentecost as described in the Acts of the Apostles? So where did you guys get your shekerebo booo madraka sunda from ?

Go and sit down somewhere and stop deceiving yourself.

Thumb up for you sir. The pastor should not have said something bad about any church. It's not all pentecostal churches that are good and vice versa. God knows everyone and he will judge us all.

TRUTH BE TOLD HE HIS NOT LYING,I HAVE FRIENDS WHO RAN AWAY FROM WHITE GARMENT CHURCHES EVEN DENOUNCING THE CHURCH,SEE TRUTH BE TOLD THEY RE DIABOLICAL OP CAN YOU EVEN DATE A GIRL THAT ATTENDS A WHITE GARMENT CHURCH

I WONT SUGAR-COAT THIS MEHN TRUST ME THIER DOINS EHN NO B HERE

benqo01:
TRUTH BE TOLD HE HIS NOT LYING,I HAVE FRIENDS WHO RAN AWAY FROM WHITE GARMENT CHURCHES EVEN DENOUNCING THE CHURCH,SEE TRUTH BE TOLD THEY RE DIABOLICAL OP CAN YOU EVEN DATE A GIRL THAT ATTENDS A WHITE GARMENT CHURCH

I WONT SUGAR-COAT THIS MEHN TRUST ME THIER DOINS EHN NO B HERE

why won’t I date a white garment church girl

YOU GUYS ARE JUST GROSSLY IGNORANT

Gajagojo:
rubbish

Did you check it? Are you saying the definition does not exist or it is rubbish?
If it is rubbish why?
One of the reasons I hate commenting on this forum unlike Quota is the closest minds here.

Jazz

Didijiji:
why won’t I date a white garment church girl

YOU GUYS ARE JUST GROSSLY IGNORANT

NO BRO GO GET FOR YASELF AND STOP BLABBLING HERE DEN COME BACK AND TELL ME D EXPERIENCE STOP ARGUING U CAN NEVER EVER DATE THEM

NA ME TALK AM U NO FIT

Didijiji:
You said demonic Psalms.

I just hope it is not the psalm chapters in the Bible?

Because I don’t know how a demonic verse can reside in the word of God

It was the so-called pastor Ibiyiomie that mentioned demonic psalms meaning he believes there are demonic psalms in the Bible and he claims to be a pastor.

Didijiji:
DEMONIC PSALMS

Really?

How do they survive inside the Bible?

We need to ask 'pastor' Ibiyieomi perhaps he is the demonic pastor.

[quote author=otipoju post=123932853]Celestial born, Cele raised, Cele raising my kids, Cele till I die.

Ibiyomie and Adeboye are puffed up charlatans who believe their own hype.

Imagine a pastor saying there are demonic psams inside the bible[/quotw

Which apparently means he is a demonic pastor.

AfonjaScud:


It was the so-called pastor Ibiyiomie that mentioned demonic psalms meaning he believes there are demonic psalms in the Bible and he claims to be a pastor.

it is sad

AfonjaScud:


We need to ask 'pastor' Ibiyieomi perhaps he is the demonic pastor.

lol

alabo1:


Did you check it? Are you saying the definition does not exist or it is rubbish?
If it is rubbish why?
One of the reasons I hate commenting on this forum unlike Quota is the closest minds here.

If you wanted a serious comment from me you should have posted a link you failed to do so and So I have disengaged from you.

Whatever the case words have several meanings and the primary meaning of the word cult is know to everyone
As a fringe periphera,deviantl or non mainstream religious group so trying to sell the idea that cult is just another word for religion or that all religions are cults is disingenuous and I really do not have time for silly games.

FxMasterz:


You're very ignorant. May God pardon you.

You are the one who stoops in ignorance.

LeyeWrites:
E pain u.


Meanwhile, He attacked all white garment churches.

Comprehension = Zero

I never denied that he attacked all white garment Churches, I said the writer is not any better cos he attacked ALL pentecostal churches.

Learn to recognize personal opinion and stop making a general statement

AfonjaScud:


You are the one who stoops in ignorance.

I already proved him ignorant in a lengthy discussion. Now, prove me.

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches?

I am forced to ask this question with the trending news today where Pastor David Ibiyeomie said he hates white garment churches and how they used “DEMONIC PSALMS” to make enchantments and make someone become a drunkard.

While it is important to respect senior pastors and their grace, it is equally important that the fathers of faith be made to realize they are human and not some form of God or Angel

The society we live in is plagued by many vices with influences across religion, tribe, race, denomination, sex , geolocation and all. Good and bad people exist in churches be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, white garment etc.

Singling out the white garment brethren always doesn’t speak well of you. It confirms there is a grudge because you were once a strong member. WHO MADE YOU THEIR GOD OR JUDGE?

Funny enough, you worshipped in a white garment church for several years. Your name then was Akanebo Ibiyeomie, Cherubim church in Port harcourt 115 Aggrey road. You remember Prophet Zekala the dada man, Prophet Chukwunda, Prophet Ajaero and other great prophets that mentored you. Your brother Derefoma Akanebo was also a prophet while you did more of the prayers.

More stories are on their way out so that you be guided how you insult a church on whose altar you prayed for years. Can your history be complete without the white garment church story?

Some orthodox and white garment churches were founded as far back as 1900 -1929. When did the Pentecostal churches start? Does it mean our fathers and grand fathers that worshipped in the old white garment and orthodox churches are seated in hell? Is God unjust?

The beauty of the end we all share is we all will stand before the judgement throne of God. And guess what? There won’t be any VIP queue or any of the altar and body guards.

There are good and bad pastors. There are good and bad prophets. There are good and bad bishops. Always treating the white garment churches as if nothing Godly and good exists in their churches is not Christ-like.

All the yahoo boys, hook up girls, abortionists all attend white garment churches right? You will be shocked they are more in the Pentecostal fold!

Most bank frauds that I know about have been perpetrated by even Pentecostal pastors, Ponzi yahoo schemes also, but you won’t hear because all the Pentecostal churches project to the world is the good side of their activities. I also know of a story of an RCCG father, mother and child that steal from the offering box every sunday till they were caught. An RCCG pastor told me this

What if white garment pastors start using these bad occurrences in the Pentecostal churches to preach on television?

All failed prophecies on this election were mostly by Pentecostal pastors
New year false prophecies are by them. The list is endless but no one talks.

It is pertinent to state that the founder of the RCCG, Pa Josiah Akindayomi worshipped in Cherubim for several years. So it is safe to say RCCG has white garment foundation. Some of the doctrines still continued. For eg, RCCG has mother in Israel like Cherubim.

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

Serve your God and let them be. Your doctrine is never superior and you are not their god

Stop using them to shine with your audience jeering you on—- RIDE ON PASTOR

You can’t hear other religions talk bad about their various sects but this always happens in Christianity

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

They practise things Jesus Christ didn't practice. Jesus Christ's followers(Christians) only practice what Jesus practiced. Anything more is unchristian... I don't see them as Jesus Christ followers.

No where Jesus Christ did animal sacrifice
No where Jesus prayed with red, yellow or white candles
No where Jesus did any ritual in the ocean or sea or with sea water..

If you are a member, I wonder who taught you guys to do those things. Is it Jesus?

FxMasterz:

Baba Adeboye didn't mention any church per say. He only warned against burning candles. David Ibiyhome didn't do well at all. He wasn't supposed to talk like that.

Yes, there are godly white garment churches but they're not well known.

Most of those white garment churches have demonic practices. Burning of candies is demonic. Coloured candles are used in occultism to conjure demons. Candles have no place in Christianity. They use brooms and bath in rivers like the Babalawos do. That's purely unscriptural. But ignorant people would keep defending what they know nothing about.

In both the old and new testament a, we had cases of people who birthed in rivers and 3xoerienced miracles, so how can that become unscriptural ?

Didijiji:


Let me puncture the holes in your thought pattern and ability to interpret in your own understanding what the Bible records as SPEAKING IN TONGUES

Acts 2:6-8-9-10-11-7
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?


It simply means that I as a yoruba man for Eg, goes to Kano State and then under the influence of the Holy Spirit, the people of Kano heard us praying and speaking Hausa. Or myself as a Nigerian going to Ghana and under the influence of the Holy Spirit, Ghanaians hear me speaking their language. That was what happened practically and biblically.

But what do we see in Pentecostal churches today Christ Embassy would even want to compel you to speak even as a first timer or visitor without any encounter with the Holy Spirit! Like who does that?

From 1 Corinthians 14:28 (ESV) , Paul further admonished us to keep silent in some instances. It is obvious that Paul's definition of “keep silent” in 14:28 means that the tongue speaker is not to speak publicly or “from the pulpit” but rather he may speak “to himself and to God”. What is the Pentecostal version of speaking I’m tongues today?

I like it when you say that someone tapped from Him because He felt a sensation. Multitudes were following him , tapping him , some had 10% faith, others with 200% faith. But the one who created a sensation is from the woman with the issue of blood. Whilst it can be argued that there maybe other women on their monthly flow amongst the crowd also, this one that have persisted for years caused a sensation and reaction from the Master to the extent that the disciples asked him how he could be asking such a question knowing that there are thousands of persons touching him.

It’s high time the white garment churches began to explain their doctrines and back it up with biblical references.

There was a time C$S were insulted as the drumming sect or band sect but today Music and drumming having been taken over by the Pentecostal sects.

Anointing/Holy oil was an exclusive preserve of the white garment churches given and used freely but today Pentecostal churches not only manufacture and label, they also sell them.

Holy water was also an orthodox prayer item but today Pentecostal churches bottle, label and sell. One of the big daddies even have a pool of water where I hear people pay 50k to swim and receive “ healing & deliverance”

You see them conducting white service and ask all members to wear white for that day yet they insult white garment churches.

They do some cross over services asking members to bring candle and hold lighted candle during prayer yet insult white garment churches for praying with candle.

Omor this list is endless

May God help us

Your analogy of faith is wrong. You seem to think the woman got healed because she had the biggest problem. But Jesus said even if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can move mountains. So it stands in opposition to your claim of the bigger the problem, the bigger the faith required.
Secondly, you need to understand that the woman's touch was deliberate unlike that of others. It was a touch of faith with a request. Others might have been touching Christ with the hope of getting his attention to their problems. But that woman wanted his healing power not his attention probably out of shame of what ails her.
Lastly, I hope you know pentecostal churches are actually older than white garment churches because this your funny claims of music, anointing oil and water starting from white garment is total hogwash. I know the history of white garments and both Oshoffa and Orimolade broke off from pentecostal movements.

Hiploko:
wahala wahala wahalaaa in portable’s voice

😀😀😀

AfonjaScud:


In both the old and new testament a, we had cases of people who birthed in rivers and 3xoerienced miracles, so how can that become unscriptural ?

Keep following the discourse bro. I explained the events scripturally on this thread.

Just read on.

FxMasterz:


Greece was the world power before Rome. The official language of the world was already Greek before Rome took over.

All the learned people of the time spoke Greek including the Roman warlords and proconsuls. Latin was never the official language of the Roman empire for a long time.

Official language of the world .
The world? Which world?
Only a colonised mind would vomit such twaddle

So Kano and IleIfe spoke Greek? Or China,India Iran?

Can you name one contemporaneous work written in Greek by Hebrews
Or show us evidence that Herod or Pontius Pilate spoke in Greek.


The bible was written in Greek because it was addressed to Greeks in Thessalonika, and. Corinth and Collossus and Ephesus Galatia etc
There were no letters to Ogbomosho or Okitipupa while there were two to Corinth

So when you say The World

I say which world?

paxonel:
My question about white garments is, what are the significance of the white garments and walking bare foot on streets?

And, is it really true that white garment churches put people's names in a bottle of ogogoro and cause them to behave drunk according to what that pastor said?

They are following their leader, not Jesus Christ. Only God knows who their leader is following. So many doctrines of devils and seducing spirits out there.

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches?

I am forced to ask this question with the trending news today where Pastor David Ibiyeomie said he hates white garment churches and how they used “DEMONIC PSALMS” to make enchantments and make someone become a drunkard.

While it is important to respect senior pastors and their grace, it is equally important that the fathers of faith be made to realize they are human and not some form of God or Angel

The society we live in is plagued by many vices with influences across religion, tribe, race, denomination, sex , geolocation and all. Good and bad people exist in churches be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, white garment etc.

Singling out the white garment brethren always doesn’t speak well of you. It confirms there is a grudge because you were once a strong member. WHO MADE YOU THEIR GOD OR JUDGE?

Funny enough, you worshipped in a white garment church for several years. Your name then was Akanebo Ibiyeomie, Cherubim church in Port harcourt 115 Aggrey road. You remember Prophet Zekala the dada man, Prophet Chukwunda, Prophet Ajaero and other great prophets that mentored you. Your brother Derefoma Akanebo was also a prophet while you did more of the prayers.

More stories are on their way out so that you be guided how you insult a church on whose altar you prayed for years. Can your history be complete without the white garment church story?

Some orthodox and white garment churches were founded as far back as 1900 -1929. When did the Pentecostal churches start? Does it mean our fathers and grand fathers that worshipped in the old white garment and orthodox churches are seated in hell? Is God unjust?

The beauty of the end we all share is we all will stand before the judgement throne of God. And guess what? There won’t be any VIP queue or any of the altar and body guards.

There are good and bad pastors. There are good and bad prophets. There are good and bad bishops. Always treating the white garment churches as if nothing Godly and good exists in their churches is not Christ-like.

All the yahoo boys, hook up girls, abortionists all attend white garment churches right? You will be shocked they are more in the Pentecostal fold!

Most bank frauds that I know about have been perpetrated by even Pentecostal pastors, Ponzi yahoo schemes also, but you won’t hear because all the Pentecostal churches project to the world is the good side of their activities. I also know of a story of an RCCG father, mother and child that steal from the offering box every sunday till they were caught. An RCCG pastor told me this

What if white garment pastors start using these bad occurrences in the Pentecostal churches to preach on television?

All failed prophecies on this election were mostly by Pentecostal pastors
New year false prophecies are by them. The list is endless but no one talks.

It is pertinent to state that the founder of the RCCG, Pa Josiah Akindayomi worshipped in Cherubim for several years. So it is safe to say RCCG has white garment foundation. Some of the doctrines still continued. For eg, RCCG has mother in Israel like Cherubim.

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

Serve your God and let them be. Your doctrine is never superior and you are not their god

Stop using them to shine with your audience jeering you on—- RIDE ON PASTOR

You can’t hear other religions talk bad about their various sects but this always happens in Christianity

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

How much of the bible have you come to know for yourself and study to understand?
You know, no matter how long a lie has been in office, it will never become the truth.
Know the scriptures for yourself so you'll be able to discern and distinguish truth from deceit

This thread started out so bright before going sour at the end.

I would have loved to see more of fxmasterz and otipoju argument than the character assassination that is playing at the end of this thread,

MaxInDHouse:
Babylon the Great has fallen! Revelations 14:8; 18:2

After Jesus' ascension to heaven Satan began attacking the newly formed group using Jews as tools, before then Satan has succeeded in establishing many sects in preparation against the coming of Christ so that by the time Christ comes the indoctrination will be so difficult to unlearn. John 10:8

So the Jews in the first century (when Jesus walked the earth) has several rival religious sects all claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham each group teaching as if you're free to choose anyone after all it's inside the same temple they gather to worship. Act 23:7-8

Jesus started with a touch of uniqueness his own teaching stands out as if he has authority {Matthew 7:28-29} unlike others giving people options to choose any that suits them Jesus emphatically told the people that there is no other source of divine guidance apart from him! John 14:6

Ever since then Satan keep trailing Jesus to stop him {Luke 4:13} but Jesus completed his earthly mission successfully {John 19:30} that's why Satan turned his aggression to Jesus' first century disciples {Revelation 12:17} as first fruit of God's kingdom they were filled with God's Holy Spirit so Satan failed to break their unism! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Immediately after the death of the last apostle Satan's agents connived with Roman politicians and established their own religion claiming they're for Christ {Matthew 13:25} what did Jesus who is watching from heaven {Matthew 28:20} do to stop this demonic cultivation? He ordered his angels not to intervene but to allow all the different sects grow until the time of harvest! Matthew 13:24 compare to Revelation 22:11-12

Jesus returned in the year 1914 but all the groups claiming Christians have gone off course choosing contradicting philosophies {Luke 18:8} Jesus visited each group but none of the well established churches was ready to unlearn the indoctrination of Satan until he found a group known as International Bible Students Association, this group was willing to learn from the unseen mighty spirit king so he began correcting them on all the things they got from Satan's system.

The restructuring took Jesus 5 years and when they were ready he commanded them to start all over again what he established in the first century which is preaching zealously and teaching industriously from house to house {Matthew 10:11-13} at first most established religions were making jest of this group because they kept making changes in their teachings just as Jesus was using the Holy Spirit to guide them.

After 12 years of preaching and teaching they have reached all the continents and formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers just as God will {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that is why God who is preparing to end all badness began calling this group by another name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

So all the religions like the first century Jewish sects that can't come out boldly to say they're the one and only worshipers of the true God will continue to argue among themselves and hating themselves yet they will say they're for Jesus Christ despite all the contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines among them {Luke 11:23} but Jesus' true disciples will be noticed globally as the one and only group having love among themselves! John 13:34-35

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Heresy...Read up on the origin of Jehovah witness. You are not following Jesus Christ, sorry. Jesus didn't come in any 1914. okay. That was a failed prophecy on the part of your false prophet, founder of Jehoavh witness.

Heresy is a sin..repent