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Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by vislabraye(m): 10:53am On Aug 24, 2012
Only a fool would say there is no God. There are lots of evidence to prove the supernatural.
If you're student of history, you would learn that Jesus Christ died and rose again. There's alo evidence to show the ark existed. May be the atheists are oblivious of the miracles that take place.
Its only a fool that would say God doesn't exist. And if God doesn't exist there's no supernatural.
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by vislabraye(m): 11:25am On Aug 24, 2012
The GO has the right to say what he wants to say. I personally don't agree with him on that issue. It becomes a problem when there's indecency.

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Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by MacDaddy01: 12:46pm On Aug 24, 2012
vislabraye: Only a fool would say there is no God. There are lots of evidence to prove the supernatural.
If you're student of history, you would learn that Jesus Christ died and rose again. There's alo evidence to show the ark existed. May be the atheists are oblivious of the miracles that take place.
Its only a fool that would say God doesn't exist. And if God doesn't exist there's no supernatural.



64% of Japanese people atheist- Advanced country

45% of British people atheists- Advanced country

0.1% Nigerian people atheists- Bakwards country


Nigerians mostly use toyota, a Japanese car.


Are japanese people who are mostly atheists fools?
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by ow11(m): 1:04pm On Aug 24, 2012
^^^
So you are equating Religion to development?

How about the US, Brazil, Qatar and Ireland?

Development has nothing to do with religion. There are so many factors involved. Even if Nigerians stop becoming religious today, they would still be close minded! Religion can be a force for good or evil just like the Dynamite!
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by MacDaddy01: 1:11pm On Aug 24, 2012
ow11: ^^^
So you are equating Religion to development?

How about the US, Brazil, Qatar and Ireland?

Development has nothing to do with religion. There are so many factors involved. Even if Nigerians stop becoming religious today, they would still be close minded! Religion can be a force for good or evil just like the Dynamite!


lol....development has a negative correlation with religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2011_report

The top 10 developed countries in the world all have secular governments and they have significant numbers of atheists.


USAhas a secular government and so does Ireland
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by OmoAlata(f): 8:22am On Aug 26, 2012
I've put my trousers away this morning - got a respectable African attire on (which makes me look old) grin And I've got a headscarf on (same material with my skirt and blouse) grin

Off to church soon smiley

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Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by ow11(m): 11:16am On Aug 26, 2012
MacDaddy01:


lol....development has a negative correlation with religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2011_report

The top 10 developed countries in the world all have secular governments and they have significant numbers of atheists.


USAhas a secular government and so does Ireland

Nigeria does have a secular government as we are not governed by strict laws from the Koran or Bible.

Religion is NOT the only factor that yields to progress. Much of Europe was ruled by the church when breakthroughs were happening in Science and Technology. The fact that many countries in Europe at the time were Religious did not stop the advancement. These countries have moved on and now operate a secular government but the truth is the advancements were done when many of the country folk were fiercely religious and said countries even ruled by religious tenets.

Atheism is not the panacea for development neither is religion. If you say atheism is a factor then you commit the same crime that you accuse religious people of. The atheist population has only increased with increased knowledge because I do not for one second believe that the proportion of athiests to the population has been stable since the middle ages in Europe or has reduced with increased knowledge.

I repeat, Even If we all throw away our bibles and korans, Nigeria would still be an underdeveloped sh*thole! Your conclusion is based upon a very small variable from which you have hastily reached a conclusion. If you add more variables to the reason why Nigeria, DR Congo, Iran etc are underdeveloped, you would come to a different conclusion.




Back to the topic at hand, There are many churches on earth today and no one has compulsory attendance. If the MFM guy believes he can not operate where women wear trousers, then women who do not mind wearing trousers should stay away from his church. There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to faith.
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by cold(m): 11:22am On Aug 26, 2012
Assuming MFM has branches in Scotland,would men be thrown out for wearing skirts? Would that be considered inappropriate?Just asking
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by MacDaddy01: 11:50am On Aug 26, 2012
ow11:

Nigeria does have a secular government as we are not governed by strict laws from the Koran or Bible.

Nigeria is not a secular country.

a) Sharia is theocracy governed with the quran
b) Nigeria has secular laws in the south but they are limited because there is no law enforcing the separation of church and state. Government pays for pilgrimages, governors using state money to support their favourite churches etc

ow11:
Religion is NOT the only factor that yields to progress. Much of Europe was ruled by the church when breakthroughs were happening in Science and Technology. The fact that many countries in Europe at the time were Religious did not stop the advancement. These countries have moved on and now operate a secular government but the truth is the advancements were done when many of the country folk were fiercely religious and said countries even ruled by religious tenets.

The Catholic church held back science a lot of times. The persecution of science eg Galileo, evolution etc

Science and technology grew despite religon

Yes, religion has contributed some things to science and advancement but its persecution and anti-progressive stances negate that.


ow11:
Atheism is not the panacea for development neither is religion. If you say atheism is a factor then you commit the same crime that you accuse religious people of. The atheist population has only increased with increased knowledge because I do not for one second believe that the proportion of athiests to the population has been stable since the middle ages in Europe or has reduced with increased knowledge.

Secularism does not guarantee advancement or progress of a nation but it is a perquisite. There is no advanced and free country without secular laws.


ow11:
I repeat, Even If we all throw away our bibles and korans, Nigeria would still be an underdeveloped sh*thole! Your conclusion is based upon a very small variable from which you have hastily reached a conclusion. If you add more variables to the reason why Nigeria, DR Congo, Iran etc are underdeveloped, you would come to a different conclusion.

Secularism does not guarantee advancement or progress of a nation but it is a perquisite. I did not say that secularism is the sole variable for progress- it is only a necessary ingredient.

Furthermore, I never said that religion is the only cause of instability. There is corruption and bad politics.


ow11:
Back to the topic at hand, There are many churches on earth today and no one has compulsory attendance. If the MFM guy believes he can not operate where women wear trousers, then women who do not mind wearing trousers should stay away from his church. There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to faith.

We are saying the same thing. I only go further to sya that while the church has the right to enforce their rigid dress codes, they are setting a bad precedent for human rights and freedom in the society. Many members of these churches take such rigid codes to the outside society. My sister's boss wanted her to wear only long skirts. My sister had to go to meet the regional manager to handle her boss. The boss has been cautioned.

Furthermore, there is right and wrong in faith. Oyedepo slapping the girl is wrong!
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by OmoAlata(f): 6:09pm On Aug 26, 2012
cold: Assuming MFM has branches in Scotland,would men be thrown out for wearing skirts? Would that be considered inappropriate?Just asking

They're not skirts per se grin grin
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by luvola(m): 10:30pm On Aug 26, 2012
@ omoalata - i will like u to add me on facebook.. My e-mail is olaklives05@yahoo.com.. Expecting yur feedback
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by luvola(m): 10:35pm On Aug 26, 2012
the g.o also make references to indecent dressing among the male folks and warned that it wnt tolerate that... The rule applies to both male and female.
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by Zodiac61(m): 11:54pm On Aug 26, 2012
vislabraye: Only a fool would say there is no God. There are lots of evidence to prove the supernatural.
If you're student of history, you would learn that Jesus Christ died and rose again. There's alo evidence to show the ark existed. May be the atheists are oblivious of the miracles that take place.
Its only a fool that would say God doesn't exist. And if God doesn't exist there's no supernatural.

Only a fool writes rubbish like the above.
Only a fool makes assertions that have no foundation in reality, like history proves the existence of jesus and that the ark existed.
Only a fool thinks there is evidence to prove the supernatural. Only a fool accepts that god exists with no evidence whatsoever.
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by Goshen360(m): 5:44am On Aug 28, 2012
I can't believe I actually overlooked this thread, OmG!

Let me tell everyone who calls him/herself a Christian. Hear me loud and clear, WHATEVER YOUR PREACHERS CANNOT PREACH ANYWHERE ANYTIME IS NOT THE GOSPEL......MFM in USA, UK etc are they also BANNED FROM WEARING TROUSER? IF NOT, THEN I'M SORRY....IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL.

I have argued this issue in the past. I will look for the thread and reference it here. Judge not according to appearance but judge righteously.....says the word of God. However, the bible support moderation.
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by Goshen360(m): 5:56am On Aug 28, 2012
This thread: https://www.nairaland.com/963050/wearing-trousers-female-sin dealt intensively with women wearing trousers to church(es). Please take your time to go through it. Thanks
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by OmoAlata(f): 1:37pm On Sep 30, 2012
Goshen360: MFM in USA, UK etc are they also BANNED FROM WEARING TROUSER? IF NOT, THEN I'M SORRY....IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL.

The tape was played in the MFM London (streatham branch) today. The GO has forbidden the wearing of trousers by female members to church. He has also banned leaving hair uncovered and wearing of jewelery and make-up (the lady next to me actually gasped when she heard no make-up as her entire face was painted grin) He said if attachment is added to hair, it must be fully hidden underneath the scarf and mini-skirts will not be allowed. He has also forbidden sleeveless blouses and something he called 'spaghetti'. I don't know which dress this is supposed to be. We eat spaghetti over here lol, not wear it grin

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Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by KDK(m): 1:56pm On Sep 30, 2012
Omo Alata:

OMG. I broke both rules today. I wore trousers and did not tie a scarf. I was in a MFM branch in London but the pastor did not say anything. Do you think it'll spread to the UK?
The truth is that most churches (deeper life, mfm and RCCG) tend to lower their standards in the uk and US all in the name of being 'more accommodating and tolerant'. You wouldnt blame them cos it is difficult to get christians in these places and to now drive the few you have is not wisdom; So I doubt if the UK branches will follow suit.
It is funny that most people even members of RCCG dont know that RCCG does not also support women wearing trousers.
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by OmoAlata(f): 2:13pm On Sep 30, 2012
KDK:
The truth is that most churches (deeper life, mfm and RCCG) tend to lower their standards in the uk and US all in the name of being 'more accommodating and tolerant'. You wouldnt blame them cos it is difficult to get christians in these places and to now drive the few you have is not wisdom; So I doubt if the UK branches will follow suit.

We were told the 'law' today in church so we'll see what will happen from next week but I think most of the teenagers who are dragged to church every Sunday by their parents may rebel. You can see that these youths don't want to be in church and to now take away their comfortable wear ........... Anyway, we'll see from next Sunday wink
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by OmoAlata(f): 7:48am On Oct 04, 2012
More women wore trousers to the Wednesday service last night shocked grin
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by Ishilove: 11:03am On Oct 04, 2012
Omo Alata: More women wore trousers to the Wednesday service last night shocked grin
Hmm!
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by MacDaddy01: 11:03am On Oct 04, 2012
MacDaddy01:



and what is your business looking at the women? Do you go to church to look at women?


So much ignorance in Nigeria.


I'm happy dont believe in God.



The same people that call themselves good christians support violations of basic human rights. You dont have the right to stop an adult from wearing what he or she wants to wear.

Granted that the church is private property and they have dress codes (church is a business), it is not setting a good example for freedom and respect for individuality
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by Nobody: 9:24pm On Oct 04, 2012
luvola: in a live broadcast today in church, dr olukoya lament the high increase of ladies wearing trousers to church and warn that they will not allow any lady that do not cover her hair and/or who wear trouser into church henceforth. He warned that it either you obey or move to another church that allow it.
What a brave step he took,just few can do dat nw 4 fear of loosing dia members and week allowance (tithes). God help us
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by OmoAlata(f): 9:55pm On Oct 04, 2012
Omo Daddy354:
What a brave step he took,just few can do dat nw 4 fear of loosing dia members and week allowance (tithes). God help us

A quarter of the women wore trousers to church yesterday - don't know how this'll work in the UK tbh grin
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by haibe(m): 7:21pm On Oct 05, 2012
Omo Alata:

A quarter of the women wore trousers to church yesterday - don't know how this'll work in the UK tbh grin

It will surely work, just watch and see, probably those who still wore the trousers didnt get the information, if they did get the information, they would either not wear trousers or stop attending, no one wants embarassment.
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by haibe(m): 7:26pm On Oct 05, 2012
Goshen360: I can't believe I actually overlooked this thread, OmG!

Let me tell everyone who calls him/herself a Christian. Hear me loud and clear, WHATEVER YOUR PREACHERS CANNOT PREACH ANYWHERE ANYTIME IS NOT THE GOSPEL......MFM in USA, UK etc are they also BANNED FROM WEARING TROUSER? IF NOT, THEN I'M SORRY....IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL.

I have argued this issue in the past. I will look for the thread and reference it here. Judge not according to appearance but judge righteously.....says the word of God. However, the bible support moderation.

It was actually preached in other foreign countries, and sorry but preaching sometin anywhere and anytime in the world does not make it the gospel. 1 cor 15:1-4 is about the gospel, i see you are trying to point out that if it was not preached in other countries then its not the gospel, even if it is being preached, it does'nt still make it the gospel.
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by haibe(m): 7:29pm On Oct 05, 2012
Have always asked this questions and i think i should ask also in this thread.

Will it be right for men in nigeria to start wearing skirts??

Please lets share our views on this question
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by OmoAlata(f): 7:43pm On Oct 05, 2012
haibe: Have always asked this questions and i think i should ask also in this thread.

Will it be right for men in nigeria to start wearing skirts??

Please lets share our views on this question

If they feel comfortable wearing a skirt, why not grin
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by haibe(m): 8:23pm On Oct 05, 2012
Omo Alata:

If they feel comfortable wearing a skirt, why not grin

Ok, so it will be right??
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by OmoAlata(f): 9:11pm On Oct 05, 2012
haibe:

Ok, so it will be right??

It's not wrong - but then again, I live in the UK and anything goes over here grin
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by haibe(m): 9:26pm On Oct 05, 2012
Omo Alata:

It's not wrong - but then again, I live in the UK and anything goes over here grin

I know you are a christian so pls don't answer considering the pattern of life in UK, UK will also see nothing wrong in homo sexuality.

Ok lemme reframe my question.

As a morally sound christian, Do you think it will be right for men to start wearing skirts, ear rings.. etc in nigeria??
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by OmoAlata(f): 9:28pm On Oct 05, 2012
haibe:

As a morally sound christian, Do you think it will be right for men to start wearing skirts, ear rings.. etc in nigeria??

I, Omo Alata, personally do NOT see anything wrong with it smiley
Re: Dr Olukoya Of Mfm Place Embargo On Wearing Of Trouser By Female To Church by MacDaddy01: 9:33pm On Oct 05, 2012
haibe:

I know you are a christian so pls don't answer considering the pattern of life in UK, UK will also see nothing wrong in homo sexuality.

Ok lemme reframe my question.

As a morally sound christian, Do you think it will be right for men to start wearing skirts, ear rings.. etc in nigeria??


Men already wear ear-rings in Nigeria. We call it "studs".

What is the difference between a wrapper and a long skirt? Dont igbos and delatn tribesmen wear wrappers?



Sorry, but you dont have a monopoly on morality be it morality itself or "christian" morality.


I am an atheist. When I was a catholic, the rev. fathers were smart enough only to advice people to dress moderately. But no, these protestant and pentecostal tithe lovers think that they are crusaders for christ that can tell adults what to wear.


angry angry angry angry

Yet you wonder why people in advanced countries leave christianity.


reread your post and you will see that you are indirectly implying that the UK is less moral than Nigeria due to their gay rights and freedom. Remember that Nigeria is no 1 in corruption and fraud.

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