Ptolomeus:
Nobody said it needed one thing or another.
Every human being is free to select.
Now, when an illiterate Christian assaults without information, there is a right to explain that all the ills of Africa are not due to traditional religion, but to the acculturation, sense of inferiority, mental slavery and taught the conquerors.

I agree with u on most things Ptolomeus though i still think ur weired ok seroulsly, take no offense. i do disagree with u on one thing. u seem to think one of the ills of Africa is caused by colonization/slavery. it tend to disagree there. you see most cultures in the world either practised slavery or were colonized or ruled by foreign cultures but that doesn't stop them from developing.

This is what i believe, ... i believe that if our traditional believes are practiced as much as christianity or islam that nigeria would be better, infact most african countries will be better off. If you think of it...subsets of christianity like catholic is mainly accepted by africans because it is basically kinda like what most people term our "pagan" traditional religion.. The pope=babalawo..saints=dieties...and so on.most people dont want to admit it but thats why many africans are more catholic than any other subset, if you want prove read african in latin america, then you will understand that the only difference between our traditional religion and certain branches of christianity is that the people who commit the crimes dont face judgements and feel they can do anything, but in our traditional religion there is no forgiveness, rather the Gods get their revenge.

Rossikk:

You're talking absolute RUBBISH.

Christian nations today ARE THE BIGGEST MASS MURDERERS AND ECONOMIC BANDITS ON EARTH. Such ''education of the mind'' to kill 2 million Iraqis and claim, like George Bush did, that ''the Lord'' asked him to do it. Now the same Christians. Jews and Muslims are about to plunge us all into WORLD WAR III and possible PLANETARY SUICIDE due to their wickedness, greed, hatred, and godless arrogance.

YEAH... SOME ''EDUCATION OF THE MIND''.

Excellent remark!
Historically, killing in the name of "Christ the King" ...

Ptolomeus:

Arabs and Christians did not practiced slavery?
Apparently you came from another planet.

LOL,
Why quote my post, when in am not in a discuss with you.
And were in my post did I say some peeps didn't practice slavery.

capricon: I agree with u on most things Ptolomeus though i still think ur weired ok seroulsly, take no offense. i do disagree with u on one thing. u seem to think one of the ills of Africa is caused by colonization/slavery. it tend to disagree there. you see most cultures in the world either practised slavery or were colonized or ruled by foreign cultures but that doesn't stop them from developing.

It's true.
Not everything foreign is bad.
But I am referring to in this thread would blame all the ills of African traditional religion ...
Look, it's possible that the old African traditions can not serve ... ...
What is absolutely proven, is that neither the Arabs nor the Christians have made ​​Africa a continent far developed ...
Possibly the most damage you have done, is the inferiority complex of the majority of Africans, and their identity crisis.
It is a pleasure to speak with this level of respect.
Thank you!
My respects.

Peeps i will recommend watching things fall Apart. its very very enlightening especially when it comes to African religion and imported ones.

Accepting an imported Alien Religion has killed our peoples minds!.The Black/African does not know the consequences of accepting AN ALIEN RELIGION. For example, if a Black/African person accepts Hinduism as his religion, he should know that he accepted the East Indian as his visible God, and neither can he become equal with or have power over the East Indian, because he has been accepted as the superior power. The same way it is with Judaism, Christianity and Islam or any other religion that is alien to the Black/African people. If a Black/African accepts Judaism and Christianity as his/her religion, he has accepted the Caucasian as his visible God. The same with Islam, if a Black/African person accepts Al Islam and its many branches as there religion, then it accepts the Desert Arab as his God. That person cannot have power over, or be equal to the Caucasian, or Arab because here, the Caucasian and the Arab has been accepted as the superior power, and this is why trying to obtain liberty and equality in Caucasian or Arab religion or any alien religion is a CRUEL HOAX! Hinduism is the spirituality and power of the East Indian; Judaism and Christianity are the religious and spiritual power of the Caucasian race, and the Islam is the spirituality and power of the Arabic race. Never the less, if a Woolly-Haired Black/African Person accepts accepts his own spiritual Black/African science, he has accepted himself and his own kind as the superior power, then our visible and invisible forces and powers can easily work for us and with us for liberation and well being. All religion is alien by Nature to the Woolly-Haired People except our Spiritual Science.If you look at all of the so called Holy Books that our people are into, they all portray the image of someone other than self. There is not a face of Woolly-Haired Black/African people of any of these imported religions.

To all of you who are against christianity, I will advise you to accept Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour before its too late. Christianity has come to Nigeria to stay till Christ returns. Judgement day is coming so that you will not say u did not hear. Noah's ark will soon be shut. Be wise my friends!

Implore god for his forgiveness upon all the posters, becos u've interfere in god doin, u've say a lot of absurd, retard, dastard and disgustin on this motion. As i strongly blief dat all dieties 're predecessor to god almigty, ar u guys culpable (god) for his decision on his judgement. NO HUMAN SHUD JUDGE GOD COS HE KNOWS BETTER THAN UR FOREFATHER. May god forgive dose havemamiss

very interesting thread !This debate is rewarding
Imported religions divided us more than anything
Why did the colonizers made us lose our indigenous beliefs ?because they knew it would be easier for them to control us ,our lands and everything
Africans act like sheep nowadays
Does God (for muslims or christians) look like an old white man ?like santa clauss
Jomo kenyatta used to say that the white man teach us how to pray with closed eyes so that they could steal our lands
Then when we open our eyes everything is gone
the problem is our eyes are still closed

I can see the signs, they are clear......all I av got to say I'd "children of God.......beware of ANTICHRIST"

God is god everywhere yahweh amadioha sango zeus any form of diety its the same - but due to how the white man forced his on us during the past centuries we alhave been decieved and lost in our truest form to worship god- we africans were living happily and were kings until they came to decieve us - that's what you see today , they told us our gods are false and forced their God with capital G ', imagine and let me tell you God is everywhere - Africa must wake up with the religion thing its all fake and lies from the onset

Christianity-Islam-Judaism is the axis of evil as the constituent religions were, are and will never be Abrahamic but are the religions of impostors, the present day Canaanites (this is the reason for the Almighty commanding the children of Jacob to wipe out the Canaanites who refused to go to their allocated land but instead occupied the land allocated to Jacob), the violent ones who took heaven by force (not the shoryuken interpretation by Nigerian Christians). These religions are used to fill people with stupor and move them to rebellion against the Almighty. Thankfully, the Almighty will soon obliterate them and their propagators off the face of this planet for good. The legacy of this axis of evil has been most unfortunate: stealing, killing and destruction; sorrow, tears and blood; insanity; ediocy; ; pollution; everything lunatik. If their propagators were able to find their way to other planets and galaxies, they would have been causing chaos all over the universe, throwing bombs here and there, destroying this and that planet, and other wanton acts of destruction. Insanity is their way of life. They eat, sleep and breathe lunacy. They cannot do without warring with themselves and against others and shedding blood, hence the god(s) they WARship is insanity.

These oyinbo canaanites, undefiled sons and daughters of Lucifer, invaded egypt and forced the warship of an image called Serapis Cristus. Then they did same to Judaea after destroying the Temple, erecting their temple to Zeus (Jesus) over the site, and altering Biblical texts with forgeries and replacing the name Eshu/Yeshu/Yeshua with JeZeus Christ. These series of events were clearly in fulfillment of some of the prophecies mentioned in Matthew 24. Many centuries later they invaded sub-saharan africa and forced the warship of the image, yes image, of this Jesus. Till date they have not been able to show any equivalence between 'Christ' and 'Messiah', or 'Jesus' and 'Yeshu'. Yet, the self-acclaimed but cognitively morose Negro Christians, for instance those who have been stoutly defending Christianity on this thread, who know of the name 'Yeshua' insist on the name Jesus. The Persians and Turks also invaded Egypt and the rest of the Middle East and started calling themselves Arabs.

Christian education has essentially been used as a tool for intense brainwashing - the first universities were set up by these retarrded murderers.

From the Encyclopaedia Britannica: ...Since the 18th century, the activities of competing Christian denominations in mission areas has led to an intensification of the Christian system of education in Asia and Africa. Christians in these countries have had, in many instances, a better education and have been much represented in governmental and administrative positions. Many political leaders of African and Asian states were educated in Christian missionary schools...[size=16pt]whoever was baptized became a "human being"[/size] and became not only a member of the Christian congregation but also of the Christian society...

The severely blood-thirsty monsters (oyinbo propagators of Christianity-Islam-Judaism) used shock-and-awe to invade and instil fear, inferiority complex and lethargic submission, and coupled these with the use of the carrot-and-stick, that is, positions of authority (governors, politicians, judges and so on), white-collar jobs, money/material wealth, pilgrimages to stolen lands, etc, to attract sellouts and drones like their supporters on this thread. Indeed, many of the 'dead' can be found unconsciously slaving away in corporate jobs like the financial services industry. They don't even know that they are working for their white-slave masters by promoting consumerism, debt, banking (an institution started and controlled by the synagogue of satan/Lucifer), persistently negative trade balances, and carrying our wealth abroad. You can identify many of such people by the way they gleefully post pictures on facebook of their trips to HELLenist and MuhamMAD cultural centres, and attach titles like ALHAJI and JP to their names.

However, all the suffering imposed on us by these swine (they harbour and spread diseases and revel in dirty habits; have you ever wondered why past global pandemics like spanish flu virus heavily affected areas where many oyinbo were found but not blacks?) was and is the result of our misbehaviours and rejecting the Almighty. Despite the punishment we have been refusing to get it right, and more punishment is coming till our power has been completely shattered. Then, more of our people will penitently seek the Almighty who will answer by exterminating Christianity-Islam-Judaism and all their works and achievements and glory.

MacDaddy01:


What was your pastor, Joagbaje (Aka jo-tithe) preaching? Did he not say that real christians should not fall sick? Do ou now that many christians reject medecines for non-existent miracles that end up killing them?


What about slavery? How id christianity and islam come to Nigeria? Is it not slave trade?

What about Boko haram? Has any pagan outfit cause such unrest?


Christianity has it own problems such as "witch killing", tithe fraud, pervert pastors, beating of church memebers etc.

Stop mixing up things. In the bid to win an argument you contradict yourself.
Let's go point by point. You said christians are against taking medication? But you agree with me that missionaries built schools and hospitals. How can they now be against taking drugs if they built hospitals?
Christianity and witch killing? I'm sure you want to talk about Rev. King. If christianity supports witch killing, why did Mary Slessor stop the killing of children in Calabar?
The problem with African christianity is that there are still some elements of traditional practise. And its this traditional practises that kill witches or torture children. They believe that if you cross a pregnant woman its a bad omen.
What has pevert got to do with christianity? Do the pastors that you claim do it openly. Any thing you have to say about christianity, let it be from the scriptures.

vislabraye:

Stop mixing up things. In the bid to win an argument you contradict yourself.
Let's go point by point. You said christians are against taking medication? But you agree with me that missionaries built schools and hospitals. How can they now be against taking drugs if they built hospitals?
Christianity and witch killing? I'm sure you want to talk about Rev. King. If christianity supports witch killing, why did Mary Slessor stop the killing of children in Calabar?
The problem with African christianity is that there are still some elements of traditional practise. And its this traditional practises that kill witches or torture children. They believe that if you cross a pregnant woman its a bad omen.
What has pevert got to do with christianity? Do the pastors that you claim do it openly. Any thing you have to say about christianity, let it be from the scriptures.

Christianity is a lie from Lucifer and was/has/will never be from the Scriptures.

There's this Foursquare Gospel Church beside my home that holds choir practice weekly from around 11.30 pm to 3.30 am, and with the speakers turned to the same insanely high volume as during during daytime programmes like Sunday services. The noise, including very ugly sounds they call music and imbecilic preaching, is so high that I now dread such moments. Since about 7-8 pm till this moment they have been holding a programme with speakers placed outside the church building but within the premises, the same exhibition of lunacy, and I want to open the windows for fresh air and go to bed. In their deluded state, they have somehow failed to notice the Biblical description of Eshu/Yeshua(a)'s open preaching away from residential areas and the absence of mechanical sound amplifiers.

With so much noise causing destructive interference to the divine vibes of truth, how can members of the congregation perceive and understand? Such pervasive noise is used to drown out reason and promote brainwashing, and adversely affects mental health - google "noise mental health". Why do the Nigerian Imams/Alfas and Christian preachers who insist on such noise pray for and promote lunacy amongst our people? Do they aspire to a paradise of lunacy/chaos, which is the lake of fire and brimstone whose citizens will scream for eternity? Are they honing themselves in earnest preparation? Is the insistence of such noise not enough proof that they WARship insanity?

I dunno. The human sacrifice stuff in my ancestral religion is a big part of the reason my ancestor (great-grandfather? or maybe great-great) abandoned it for Christianity.

Christianity is a pretty easy religion in some ways.

Both are senseless!

capricon: I agree with u on most things Ptolomeus though i still think ur weired ok seroulsly, take no offense. i do disagree with u on one thing. u seem to think one of the ills of Africa is caused by colonization/slavery. it tend to disagree there. you see most cultures in the world either practised slavery or were colonized or ruled by foreign cultures but that doesn't stop them from developing.

Black Africa never practiced slavery before the coming of the Europeans and Arabs, like religion and language, slavery was imposed on black Africa. There were also no record of wars in pre-colonial black Africa, we were sold weapons and taught how to kill and conquer each other.

vislabraye:

Stop mixing up things. In the bid to win an argument you contradict yourself.
Let's go point by point. You said christians are against taking medication? But you agree with me that missionaries built schools and hospitals. How can they now be against taking drugs if they built hospitals?
Christianity and witch killing? I'm sure you want to talk about Rev. King. If christianity supports witch killing, why did Mary Slessor stop the killing of children in Calabar?
The problem with African christianity is that there are still some elements of traditional practise. And its this traditional practises that kill witches or torture children. They believe that if you cross a pregnant woman its a bad omen.
What has pevert got to do with christianity? Do the pastors that you claim do it openly. Any thing you have to say about christianity, let it be from the scriptures.

You are the one mixing issues up. Yes Christian missionaries build schools and hospitals but you people (born again Christians) deny that that the missionaries (Catholics and orthodox Christianity) are not real Christians, and so buildings schools and hospitals is not a part of your modern day Christianity.

born again Christianity has reversed the germ theory, to them deseases are attacks by the devil and evil spirits, now tell me how that is different from African traditional religions.

Christianity does not support killing of witches, really? Do you know how many alleged witches were killed in Europe by the church? o I forgot, they were not real Christians. Did the bible not say suffer a witch not to live, or is that a figure of speech?

There is nothing and I mean nothing that is practiced in African traditional religion that was not practiced in Christianity. Christianity had to demonize African religions to gain acceptance.

Of a truth u have a glearing point there. The primary stage of fear is gone, people no longer have fear to what they do all in the name that our God is a forgiving God. In the days of sango. Ogun, amadioha etc. U dear not commit any offence that is against the gods, u'll sure pay for it with ur life.

MacDaddy01:


There are secular charities as well. The first secondary school in nigeria was in the 19th century. Muslims were trading slaves since the 11th century in Africa and christians 16th century in West Africa. For centuries, schools were too good for slave monkey Nigerians.


Prophet Muhammad sold slaves as well. It is written clearly in the hadith

There is no punishment for slavery in the Quran. There is punishment for adultery. Shows the priorities of certain holy books

He owned a slave and like I said earlier released his slave and encouraged others to do so and find favour with God.

AT OP

^^^^^^


WHICH ARE THE TWO IMPORTED RELIGION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT,ALL IT SEEMS TO YOU THAT THERE ARE KNOW OTHER RELIGIONS IN NIGERIA.WHY NOT BEING AND STRAIGTHFORWAD AND PLAIN.

wirinet:

Black Africa never practiced slavery before the coming of the Europeans and Arabs, like religion and language, slavery was imposed on black Africa. There were also no record of wars in pre-colonial black Africa, we were sold weapons and taught how to kill and conquer each other.

Yes there were wars before the coming of europeans and Arabs. History is filled with them. oyo empire was constantly at war with dahomy and Nupe kindom and constantly tried to expand its territory. same with Ashantis just to mention a few. There were numerous intertribal wars. Slavery was also practised, they were often captured in war and sold or serve kings and deities. There is nothing new under the sun

capricon: Yes there were wars before the coming of europeans and Arabs. History is filled with them. oyo empire was constantly at war with dahomy and Nupe kindom and constantly tried to expand its territory. same with Ashantis just to mention a few. There were numerous intertribal wars. Slavery was also practised, they were often captured in war and sold or serve kings and deities. There is nothing new under the sun

Liar. There is no record of slavery in West Africa before foriegners. Prisoners of war were beheaded or killed. In my village, it is called efa. In the past, enemy tribes were sacrificed or killed. Slaves were never sold as a commodity.




Farm labour came from the wives and the many children of men in those days. Why would we need slaves? Even the king had servants and the servants had their own living quarters and did not serve in chains where I come from in Niger delta.




Keep lying against you ancestors to protect your foriegn religion

Say no to whichever "religion" they all Bleep with ur mind and reasoning, worship nothing, respect ursef and others, say no to crime and tithe paying, instead do charities, do Good, let the criminal code be ur code of conduct, and see maybe some deity will have d power to send u to hell cos u just dont pay tithes and go to worship anywhere.

MacDaddy01:


Liar. There is no record of slavery in West Africa before foriegners. Prisoners of war were beheaded or killed. In my village, it is called efa. In the past, enemy tribes were sacrificed or killed. Slaves were never sold as a commodity.




Farm labour came from the wives and the many children of men in those days. Why would we need slaves? Even the king had servants and the servants had their own living quarters and did not serve in chains where I come from in Niger delta.




Keep lying against you ancestors to protect your foriegn religion

My friend life does not begin and end in your little village efa. Try to broaden your scope at least thank God for the
internet. You are from niger delta yet you know nothing of Benin empire and slave trade.

My dear brother slave na slave whether them live for quarters or not why did he need them if he had wives and children
to do farm work? And they were even castrated to avoid sleeping with obas wive . Did the Oba not get buried with his "SERVANTS"

Slaves never worked in chains but were only used when captured and transported.

Do some homework and get back to me.

capricon:

My friend life does not begin and end in your little village efa. Try to broaden your scope at least thank God for the
internet. You are from niger delta yet you know nothing of Benin empire and slave trade.

My dear brother slave na slave whether them live for quarters or not why did he need them if he had wives and children
to do farm work? And they were even castrated to avoid sleeping with obas wive . Did the Oba not get buried with his "SERVANTS"

Slaves never worked in chains but were only used when captured and transported.

Do some homework and get back to me.

Remind me of the Benin Empire slave trade. Was the slave trade not named after the slavery of Europeans? Why are you now remixing it as if the slaves were sold between benin men? Keep lying. The Benin empire slave trade was between tBenin and the Europeans.


Please, show me where slaves were traded as a commodity between west African tribes before the advent of foriegners.



You are also remixing my point. Why would the avergae African man need slaves if he and his many wives with many children worked on their own farms? Prisoners of war were killed in most tribes. So where did slavery come from between Africans? Why do you lie against your ancestors to cover the wickedness of your foreign religion?


As for the Kings buried with their servants (for the benin obas), yes it was a cruel practice. The fact remains that slaves were never sold between africans before the advent of foriegeners. The kings servants could not be considered as slaves because of their lifestyle (they had their own farms/properties etc)
However, they were slaves in death because they were buried in with the kings. Its funny that this is the only fact you could manage to hold on to because those kings servants were not slaves until death.

capricon:

My friend life does not begin and end in your little village efa. Try to broaden your scope at least thank God for the
internet. You are from niger delta yet you know nothing of Benin empire and slave trade.

My dear brother slave na slave whether them live for quarters or not why did he need them if he had wives and children
to do farm work? And they were even castrated to avoid sleeping with obas wive . Did the Oba not get buried with his "SERVANTS"

Slaves never worked in chains but were only used when captured and transported.

Do some homework and get back to me.

Great, that is the point I have been making .
Slavery exists in every society.
But they are so biased, yet thay want us to accept their views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade#Slavery_within_Africa

Slavery in African cultures was generally more like indentured servitude, although in certain parts of sub-Saharan Africa, slaves were used for human sacrifices in annual rituals, such as thoserituals practiced bythe denizens of Dahomey

emmatok:

Great, that is the point I have been making .
Slavery exists in every society.
But they are so biased, yet thay want us to accept their views.

Depends on your deifnition of slavery. Even so, please explain how there was slavery in the Ijaw, Urhobo or Itsekiri tribe because there was none.





Furthermore, there is stealing in every society. Does that mean christianity should support stealing? If even there was slavery in every society, why did christianity support it in the bible and in the European slavery?

MacDaddy01:



Remind me of the Benin Empire slave trade. Was the slave trade not named after the slavery of Europeans? Why are you now remixing it as if the slaves were sold between benin men? Keep lying. The Benin empire slave trade was between tBenin and the Europeans.


Please, show me where slaves were traded as a commodity between west African tribes before the advent of foriegners.



You are also remixing my point. Why would the avergae African man need slaves if he and his many wives with many children worked on their own farms? Prisoners of war were killed in most tribes. So where did slavery come from between Africans? Why do you lie against your ancestors to cover the wickedness of your foreign religion?


As for the Kings buried with their servants (for the benin obas), yes it was a cruel practice. The fact remains that slaves were never sold between africans before the advent of foriegeners. The kings servants could not be considered as slaves because of their lifestyle (they had their own farms/properties etc)
However, they were slaves in death because they were buried in with the kings. Its funny that this is the only fact you could manage to hold on to because those kings servants were not slaves until death.

MacDaddy01:


Depends on your deifnition of slavery. Even so, please explain how there was slavery in the Ijaw, Urhobo or Itsekiri tribe because there was none.





Furthermore, there is stealing in every society. Does that mean christianity should support stealing? If even there was slavery in every society, why did christianity support it in the bible and in the European slavery?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade#Slavery_within_Africa
Slavery in African cultures was generally more like indentured servitude, although in certain parts of sub-Saharan Africa, slaves were used for human sacrifices in annual rituals, such as thoserituals practiced bythe denizens of Dahomey.