So wait....you mean you're a male? @Delafruita? Wow! Nice name

The Pink Unicorn argument is basically identical to the Flying Spaghetti Monster argument which was first proposed by the great Bobby Henderson seven years ago.

Back then the Kansas Board of Education was considering including creationism and Intelligent Design in the school curriculum alongside evolution. Mr. Henderson argued that he believed that the universe was created by an invisible, undetectable, omnipotent being that closely resembled spaghetti and meatballs. He pointed out that there was just as much evidence that the FSM created the world as there was that god did therefore both theories are equally valid. He then demanded that the FSM theory also be taught in schools and that it be given equal time in classrooms with Intelligent Design and Evolution.

Basically if you accept one outlandish idea without evidence, then you should be willing to accept others. And if you reject one, you should be willing to reject others. Otherwise, you are not thinking rationally.

Evil Brain: The Pink Unicorn argument is basically identical to the Flying Spaghetti Monster argument which was first proposed by the great Bobby Henderson seven years ago.

Back then the Kansas Board of Education was considering including creationism and Intelligent Design in the school curriculum alongside evolution. Mr. Henderson argued that he believed that the universe was created by an invisible, undetectable, omnipotent being that closely resembled spaghetti and meatballs. He pointed out that there was just as much evidence that the FSM created the world as there was that god did therefore both theories are equally valid. He then demanded that the FSM theory also be taught in schools and that it be given equal time in classrooms with Intelligent Design and Evolution.

Basically if you accept one outlandish idea without evidence, then you should be willing to accept others. And if you reject one, you should be willing to reject others. Otherwise, you are not thinking rationally.

Gbam!!!!

simple summary of the argument. Nice

MacDaddy01:


sinsitis is curable. End of story.


#next miracle

perhaps you didnt read well enough.

Delafruita:
perhaps you didnt read well enough.

Did I lie? Sinusitis is curable with antibiotics. Doctors can give second opinions as doctors themselves are not perfect.



No miracle.

MacDaddy01:


Did I lie? Sinusitis is curable with antibiotics. Doctors can give second opinions as doctors themselves are not perfect.



No miracle.

just like i said,you didnt read it well or perhaps you didnt comprehend it.you and i know i am not a religious person.am not trying to promote a miracle but this happened to my very own papa.i have thought of every logical explanation and even inquired from consultants and they were all unaminously in agreement that his sinusitis couldnt been cured without a surgery.he consulted specialists in about 4 countries.he'd get temporary relief of about 1 or 2 months and then it would be back in full swing.according to the german doctor,the surgery was meant to clear all the bacteria in his nostrils all the way to his larynx or pharynx(cant remember the details).his nostrils were to be made wider hence the reconstruction.they had already given him a list of things to avoid eating and drinking.however,since his trip to makkah,he has been completely cured like never before.he doesnt adhere to any diets and for the first time since i have known him,he hasnt taken medication for almost 1year

obadiah777: JUST A SIDE NOTE, AND A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION, NOT SAYING CHRIST CANT PERFORM MIRACLES, BUT TURNING WATER INTO WINE SOUNDS LIKE PURE MAGIC. NOW SUPPOSE ALL THESE ARE SYMBOLIC ? OK TURNING WATER INTO WINE. WHAT IS WATER ? WATER IS A SEA OF PEOPLE ( BIBLICAL LINGO ), AND WHAT IS WINE ? WINE IS THE WORD IN THE BIBLE. SO MAYBE THAT ACTUALLY MEANS JESUS FED THE PEOPLE WITH THE WORD AND KNOWLEDGE AND MADE THEM FULL OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD

FEEDING THE MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE WITH TWO LOAVES AND FIVE FISHES. WHAT IS BREAD AND MEAT ? THE WORD OF GOD ( BIBLICAL LINGO ) ( ANYTIME YOU SEE HONEY, MEAT, WINE, BREAD, MILK IN THE BIBLE IT IS REFERRING TO THE WORD ). SO MAYBE HE FED THE MULTITUDES WITH THE WORDS OF GOD AND HAD ENOUGH LEFT OVER TO FEED MANY MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE THOSE WHO GOT EDIFIED ALSO BECAME A SOURCE OF BREAD AND FISH ?

Thank you very much Lord Obadiah777

These christian debaters are very slippery bunch. Something is symbolic when it suits their point of view and then reverts back to be real and historical when it suits them.

All the so-called miracles of Jesus where symbolic or coded transmission of mystical teachings. Jesus himself said many times " For those who have ears , let them hear". In other words, For who can decode, take notice.

Area_boy:

I can give these two to you and say yes, they may indeed be symbolic. However you have to go further with that explanation and deal with the resurrection. If this is symbolic too, then the entire Christian faith is based on symbolic messages?
So much for original sin hahaha

I can fully explain the resurrection of Lazarus.

Delafruita:
a miracle doesnt have to conform to your idea of it.i have witnessed miracles or at least occurences that defied every sense of reasoning.

a personal example.

my dad used to suffer from severe sinusitis.when i say sever,i mean absolutely severe.he has had sinusitis ever since the day i became aware of things as a boy.according to my Ma,hez had it ever since she married him though it was mild.the man was a freestyle man and (un)luckily,his alcohol dehydrogenase level was very high so he could down 8 bottles of star(his favourite) without even getting tipsy.all this together with his smoking made his sinusitis severe and sometime around 2007 it got so worse he couldnt sleep.mind you he had always taken medication.infact he has used drugs for his cattarh every single day dor the 27years i have been on earth.but by 2007,it was decided he had to seek medical help abroad.it was very ridiculous for a person to travel abroad to treat a cattarh but it was very severe.his first trip was to london.it got better but it didnt leave completely and then it returned.then he was reffered to a hospital in manchester,then liverpool and then he eventually went to america.he went to america in 2010 and spent 3months on treatment(for cattarh).later that same year,he sought help in south africa.by early 2011,he went to germany and it was decided that he needed a surgery that will also include a nose recontruction.i cant recall all the medical jargon but we were assured the surgey would put an end to it.coincindentally,my dad had planned a trip to makkah for that year's hajj but he was told he'd need 2 months for post-surgery rehabilitation which meant he'd have to miss the hajj.he insisted on going and having the surgery after hajj so his german doctors gave him some medication to reduce it for the period.

according to him,he drank of the famed zemzem water and he fell into a deep sleep.by the time he woke up,his cattarh was completely gone.now my dad has never been a serious muslim.he goes to church once in a while and allows everyone their freedom.my mum is a strong christian so it isnt like my dad is a mullah or something.i cant remember him praying on a mat and the only reason he went to makkah was to relieve the pressure of his extended family.

suffice to say,he didnt go for the surgery.he visited his doctor here in lagos who did all manner of tests and also discovered his previously high sugar level was below normal and even advised him to take more sugar.

i dont know your definition of miracle,but for me,thats one hell of a miracle.if you think there's an explanation for that occurence,give it

lmao. What a miracle. So after all the medication he was given, it was the zemzem water that actually did the healing. It was DEFINITELY NOT the medical treatments, it WAS the magical Zamzam water. It wasn't that the medication was taking time to build up in his system after years of "downing 8 bottles of star"(his favourite) and smoking cigarettes had destroyed his body, IT WAS THE MAGICAL ZEMZEMZAMBAMBAMZOOMZOOM WATER of the arabs that cured him in "makkah".

what a miracle!!!
By the way, you're a "sleek" islam apologist.

Evil Brain: The Pink Unicorn argument is basically identical to the Flying Spaghetti Monster argument which was first proposed by the great Bobby Henderson seven years ago.

Back then the Kansas Board of Education was considering including creationism and Intelligent Design in the school curriculum alongside evolution. Mr. Henderson argued that he believed that the universe was created by an invisible, undetectable, omnipotent being that closely resembled spaghetti and meatballs. He pointed out that there was just as much evidence that the FSM created the world as there was that god did therefore both theories are equally valid. He then demanded that the FSM theory also be taught in schools and that it be given equal time in classrooms with Intelligent Design and Evolution.

Basically if you accept one outlandish idea without evidence, then you should be willing to accept others. And if you reject one, you should be willing to reject others. Otherwise, you are not thinking rationally.

Gbam gbam gbam.

I dont see how one can believe in talking snakes and then dismises the pink unicorn or The Flying Spaghetti Monster(PBH) as figments of the imagination.

Delafruita:
just like i said,you didnt read it well or perhaps you didnt comprehend it.you and i know i am not a religious person.am not trying to promote a miracle but this happened to my very own papa.i have thought of every logical explanation and even inquired from consultants and they were all unaminously in agreement that his sinusitis couldnt been cured without a surgery.he consulted specialists in about 4 countries.he'd get temporary relief of about 1 or 2 months and then it would be back in full swing.according to the german doctor,the surgery was meant to clear all the bacteria in his nostrils all the way to his larynx or pharynx(cant remember the details).his nostrils were to be made wider hence the reconstruction.they had already given him a list of things to avoid eating and drinking.however,since his trip to makkah,he has been completely cured like never before.he doesnt adhere to any diets and for the first time since i have known him,he hasnt taken medication for almost 1year

Hope you know that some deseases recede and dissappear own their own even without treatement. . .Here is an article from the NY times that states that even the ultimate cancer that people believe are permanent and have no cure sometimes vanish on its own without treatment in some people and in some cases. . .I know a woman in a village in Benue state whose breat cancer vasnished on its own in 2010, it just vanished on its own when every body wrote her off. . .I did first heard about cancer vanishing on its own in the doctors a program on TV then did a little search and came up with some few medical studies. . .It is NOT all diesease that behave the same way to all people all the of the time, some disease vanish away on their own, some respond to treatment after a very long time some disease depend on the victim's immune system. . .Your dad's case is NOT different from that of so many people, it could be that all the previous medications he has taken were working but working very slowly and the relief coincided with his trip to mecca. Or it could be that the disease just vanished on its own as is the case with so many other people. As I aforementioned I know a woman close to me who was written off and left to die but she is very much alive now, her cancer vanished on its own without any treatement, she was actually too poor to afford any treatment, I was supposed to donate 2million naira to help her at that time but people advised that I gave her family the money instead of her. . . .Nothing extra ordinary there since it happens to many people. More deadly diseases like cancer have been shown to vanish on their own without treatment in some cases. . .

Delafruita:
just like i said,you didnt read it well or perhaps you didnt comprehend it.you and i know i am not a religious person.am not trying to promote a miracle but this happened to my very own papa.i have thought of every logical explanation and even inquired from consultants and they were all unaminously in agreement that his sinusitis couldnt been cured without a surgery.he consulted specialists in about 4 countries.he'd get temporary relief of about 1 or 2 months and then it would be back in full swing.according to the german doctor,the surgery was meant to clear all the bacteria in his nostrils all the way to his larynx or pharynx(cant remember the details).his nostrils were to be made wider hence the reconstruction.they had already given him a list of things to avoid eating and drinking.however,since his trip to makkah,he has been completely cured like never before.he doesnt adhere to any diets and for the first time since i have known him,he hasnt taken medication for almost 1year

Even if the zemzem water had somehow, made him better, it was either a mere case of serendipity or it could be that perhaps the the water itself contains trace minerals and other anti-oxidants that have curative properties.
That would not constitute a miracle. It also most likely that the water is charged or ionized water(h30). This is similar to what we refer to as Holy water.
It has been shown that charged or ionized or hydrogenated water (h30) is an anti-oxidant that has unique properties.

plaetton:

Even if the zemzem water had somehow, made him better, it was either a mere case of serendipity or it could be that perhaps the the water itself contains trace minerals and other anti-oxidants that have curative properties.
That would not constitute a miracle. It also most likely that the water is charged or ionized water(h30). This is similar to what we refer to as Holy water.
It has been shown that charged or ionized or hydrogenated water (h30) is an anti-oxidant that has unique properties.

h3O? Holy water?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydronium

@MacDaddy01
You forget something, your pink unicorn can not reproduce itself.

Lord_Reed: @MacDaddy01
You forget something, your pink unicorn can not reproduce itself.

hahaha


lmao!

Martian:

h3O? Holy water?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydronium

Hydronium is the IUPAC name for this chemical arrangement. Chemically, H3O and H3O+ are not the same.

The properties of water are determined by how the hydrogen atoms bond.

In the charged water that I referred to, The water molecule is charged because of the extra electron or hyrogen atom that it acquires to become H+2O or H3O.

plaetton:

Hydronium is the IUPAC name for this chemical arrangement. Chemically, H3O and H3O+ are not the same.

The properties of water are determined by how the hydrogen atoms bond.

In the charged water that I referred to, The water molecule is charged because of the extra electron or hyrogen atom that it acquires to become H+2O or H3O.

Can you post some materials about this H3O or H+2O?

Martian:

Can you post some materials about this H3O or H+2O?

No. I have no materials.
My point is only that re-arrangement, even if temporary, of the hydrogen atoms in a water molecule, does influence the properties of water.

The concept of holy water is not one you would find in a scientific journal, but to idea is to show that phenomena considered spiritual or miraculous, may ideed just be scientifically explainable processes.

plaetton:

Even if the zemzem water had somehow, made him better, it was either a mere case of serendipity or it could be that perhaps the the water itself contains trace minerals and other anti-oxidants that have curative properties.
That would not constitute a miracle. It also most likely that the water is charged or ionized water(h30). This is similar to what we refer to as Holy water.
It has been shown that charged or ionized or hydrogenated water (h30) is an anti-oxidant that has unique properties.

this makes sense.i dont doubt it because i cant disprove it.

i have another example

i personally know someone who had an ulcer in her left foot.she used to sit on a chair at the bus-stop and some peeps begged on her behalf.her parents lived in the area but they never used to beg along with those peeps but we knew they were her parents.the sore was so bad i could never bear to look at it.then someone takes her to prophet joshua's church,she gets a slappiverance(just kidding) and she's cured.i dont live in that neighbourhood anymore so i dont have the latest update on her but i know the incident caused quite a stir in my neighbourhood around the time.the girls sore didnt vanish,but within a space of few days,it healed up and the girl began to walk.some people said joshua used "juju",others said it was magic.but whichever way,the reality is her sores vanished

there's someone i know who contracted hepatitis B.it so happens that there were 3 guys living in a flat as students and one of them died of hepatitis B.then another one fell sick and was diagnosed of typhoid.after a few weeks,the diagnosis changed to hepatitis B.he was placed on palliative treatment for 6months and was told he'd have to manage the ailment for the rest of his life because there is no cure.luckily,the virus hadnt done too much damage and he quickly got better.he had to maintain a strict diet and keep taking his drugs.2years later he fell ill and the first suspect was the hepatitis.his doctors performed LFT to know what next to do and suprisingly there was no trace of hepatitis in his system.the doctors ran the test again and it was the same thing.then his girlfriend reminds him of the day she forced him to church and he drank anointing oil and she tells him thats what did the miracle.till today he doesnt agree with her but a part of him recalls that day and the look on the doctor's face when she said "this is definitely a miracle".who was that person?Me

plaetton:
No. I have no materials.
My point is only that re-arrangement, even if temporary, of the hydrogen atoms in a water molecule, does influence the properties of water.
The concept of holy water is not one you would find in a scientific journal, but to idea is to show that phenomena considered spiritual or miraculous, may ideed just be scientifically explainable processes.

I know so called miracles and spiritual things can be explained, but it seems you just decided that acidic water is holy water and came up with a name for it. h+2o or h3o......and

Delafruita:
this makes sense.i dont doubt it because i cant disprove it.

...."it makes sense" to someone who already believes in magical water.

I believe that the body has ability to heal itself. that is what cell division is all about. Sometimes, the body needs an external agent to suppliment it or to act as a catalyst.

If there were miracles in healing, the process would be consistent and easily verifiable.
For my headaches, 2 tablets of Tylenol are way much reliable and consistent than 20 megatons of prayer power or 200 gallons of zemzem water.

Delafruita:
i personally know someone who had an ulcer in her left foot.she used to sit on a chair at the bus-stop and some peeps begged on her behalf.her parents lived in the area but they never used to beg along with those peeps but we knew they were her parents.the sore was so bad i could never bear to look at it.then someone takes her to prophet joshua's church,she gets a slappiverance(just kidding) and she's cured.i dont live in that neighbourhood anymore so i dont have the latest update on her but i know the incident caused quite a stir in my neighbourhood around the time.the girls sore didnt vanish,but within a space of few days,it healed up and the girl began to walk.some people said joshua used "juju",others said it was magic.but whichever way,the reality is her sores vanished

It was definitely magic.

Delafruita:
there's someone i know who contracted hepatitis B.it so happens that there were 3 guys living in a flat as students and one of them died of hepatitis B.then another one fell sick and was diagnosed of typhoid.after a few weeks,the diagnosis changed to hepatitis B.he was placed on palliative treatment for 6months and was told he'd have to manage the ailment for the rest of his life because there is no cure.luckily,the virus hadnt done too much damage and he quickly got better.he had to maintain a strict diet and keep taking his drugs.2years later he fell ill and the first suspect was the hepatitis.his doctors performed LFT to know what next to do and suprisingly there was no trace of hepatitis in his system.the doctors ran the test again and it was the same thing.then his girlfriend reminds him of the day she forced him to church and he drank anointing oil and she tells him thats what did the miracle.till today he doesnt agree with her but a part of him recalls that day and the look on the doctor's face when she said "this is definitely a miracle".who was that person?Me

This one was a mircale.
TreatmentThe hepatitis B infection does not usually require treatment because most adults clear the infection spontaneously.[65] Early antiviral treatment may be required in fewer than 1% of people, whose infection takes a very aggressive course (fulminant hepatitis) or who are immunocompromised. On the other hand, treatment of chronic infection may be necessary to reduce the risk of cirrhosis and liver cancer. Chronically infected individuals with persistently elevated serum alanine aminotransferase, a marker of liver damage, and HBV DNA levels are candidates for therapy.[66] Treatment lasts from six months to a year, depending on medication and genotype.[67]

Although none of the available drugs can clear the infection, they can stop the virus from replicating, thus minimizing liver damage. As of 2008, there are seven medications licensed for treatment of hepatitis B infection in the United States. These include antiviral drugs lamivudine (Epivir), adefovir (Hepsera), tenofovir (Viread), telbivudine (Tyzeka) and entecavir (Baraclude), and the two immune system modulators interferon alpha-2a and PEGylated interferon alpha-2a (Pegasys). The use of interferon, which requires injections daily or thrice weekly, has been supplanted by long-acting PEGylated interferon, which is injected only once weekly.[68] However, some individuals are much more likely to respond than others, and this might be because of the genotype of the infecting virus or the person's heredity. The treatment reduces viral replication in the liver, thereby reducing the viral load (the amount of virus particles as measured in the blood).[69] Response to treatment differs between the genotypes. Interferon treatment may produce an e antigen seroconversion rate of 37% in genotype A but only a 6% seroconversion in type D. Genotype B has similar seroconversion rates to type A while type C seroconverts only in 15% of cases. Sustained e antigen loss after treatment is ~45% in types A and B but only 25–30% in types C and D.[70]

Martian:

It was definitely magic.

some would call it a miracle

Martian:

I know so called miracles and spiritual things can be explained, but it seems you just decided that acidic water is holy water and came up with a name for it. h+2o or h3o......and



...."it makes sense" to someone who already believes in magical water.

Ya. But what makes something acidic? Is it not free ions?
free ion= fee electron= hydrogen atom

Anyway, the holy water is just religious parlance and I dont want to get into that with you..

Delafruita:
some would call it a miracle

Some would call it a myth.

MacDaddy01:

Are you gay or something? Why would your mind go there?

Lmao........

I would like to say this one thing.....I've said it before and I'ma say it again...


ANYONE WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IN MIRACLES ISN'T A REALIST..........

Logicboy u aint a realist......ur just a skeptic

ijawkid:

Lmao........

I would like to say this one thing.....I've said it before and I'ma say it again...


ANYONE WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IN MIRACLES ISN'T A REALIST..........

Logicboy u aint a realist......ur just a skeptic

I believe in miracles, I just dont believe in religious miracles.


For instance, i would be a miracle for Arsenal to win the chmapions league and a miracle for you to have commonsense

I've got a new nickname for you, MacD: it's.....wait for it....PinkDaddy!

SimonAndal: I've got a new nickname for you, MacD: it's.....wait for it....PinkDaddy!

Look, just confess. You want to bugger me.


Unfortunately, I am not gay. You really need to calm down.

MacDaddy01: sinsitis is curable. End of story.


#next miracle

You've already made up your mind that miracles don't exist, so why seek for more proofs...its very obvious that even if all the christians here share their story with you, it won't change anything because your mind is already made up.

You've said it times without number that don't believe in religion, you don't believe in Jesus, you don't believe in God, christianity is a fraud bla bla bla...so why ask for proof? Why do you keep bothering Mr Anony? Why ask people to prove something you've already made up your mind to debunk? If christianity is a fraud what are you still doing here? Who are you trying to prove a point to?

You ask christians questions...and then you criticize them for the answers they give...if you're so wise and intelligent as you claim to be, why waste your time with uneducated characters on this forum?

I'm a christian for example,...don't you think it would be very foolish and rude for me to walk into the islam section an begin to demand answers to questions I know I won't believe no matter how hard they try to prove to me?

If I've chosen christianity, then don't you think it would be sheer madness spending my life to convince a muslim that he's on the wrong side of the road...he has a belief and I must respect that...

Also, that I'm a christian doesn't mean I would mock a buddhist or hindu for worshiping a cow.

It doesn't mean I would mock the jews for practicing judaism at this modern age...you should know that we have eyes, we have heads, we have brains...so do yourself a favour and respect other peoples beliefs...

Even world renowned atheists still respect other people's beliefs...they exhibited maturity and self respect...they don't expose their stupidity publicly.

If you were half intelligent as I thought you were, then you should know that everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions and beliefs...and because someone's own differs from yours shouldn't give you the right to make a mockery of it...if you say Jesus doesn't exist, fine. He didn't exist to you...but respect people who choose to believe that he existed.

To be successful in life, you must learn to respect people regardless of their tribe, their religion, their race...etc etc. The earlier you know this, the better it would be for you.

I rest my case.

CrazyMan:
You've already made up your mind that miracles don't exist, so why seek for more proofs...its very obvious that even if all the christians here share their story with you, it won't change anything because your mind is already made up.

You've said it times without number that don't believe in religion, you don't believe in Jesus, you don't believe in God, christianity is a fraud bla bla bla...so why ask for proof? Why do you keep bothering Mr Anony? Why ask people to prove something you've already made up your mind to debunk? If christianity is a fraud what are you still doing here? Who are you trying to prove a point to?

You ask christians questions...and then you criticize them for the answers they give...if you're so wise and intelligent as you claim to be, why waste your time with uneducated characters on this forum?

I'm a christian for example,...don't you think it would be very foolish and rude for me to walk into the islam section an begin to demand answers to questions I know I won't believe no matter how hard they try to prove to me?

If I've chosen christianity, then don't you think it would be sheer madness spending my life to convince a muslim that he's on the wrong side of the road...he has a belief and I must respect that...

Also, that I'm a christian doesn't mean I would mock a buddhist or hindu for worshiping a cow.

It doesn't mean I would mock the jews for practicing judaism at this modern age...you should know that we have eyes, we have heads, we have brains...so do yourself a favour and respect other peoples beliefs...

Even world renowned atheists still respect other people's beliefs...they exhibited maturity and self respect...they don't expose their stupidity publicly.

If you were half intelligent as I thought you were, then you should know that everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions and beliefs...and because someone's own differs from yours shouldn't give you the right to make a mockery of it...if you say Jesus doesn't exist, fine. He didn't exist to you...but respect people who choose to believe that he existed.

To be successful in life, you must learn to respect people regardless of their tribe, their religion, their race...etc etc. The earlier you know this, the better it would be for you.

I rest my case.

The ranting of a debunked man.

I only asked for Anony to logically defend his faith and not provide evidence for miracles