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Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 5:54pm On Sep 23, 2012
Deep Sight:

Lol, keep contradicting yourself. You say its not about first cause but its about intelligent design. The first step in the intelligent design argument starts from first cause. Stop being such a nit wit.


Lmao.



Intelligent design (ID) is a form of creationism promulgated by the Discovery Institute. The Institute defines it as the proposition that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[1][2] It is a contemporary adaptation of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God, presented by its advocates as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins" rather than "a religious-based idea".[3] The leading proponents of intelligent design are associated with the Discovery Institute, a politically conservative think tank,[n 1][4] and believe the designer to be the Christian deity.[n 2]
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by wiegraf: 5:55pm On Sep 23, 2012
Deep Sight:

It appears you do not read.

I have already told you that the question is that of causality for material phenomena. Addittionaly i went so far as to point out the attributes at issue in light of that fact. In case it missed you, those attribute concern such issues as time and space, issues of eternity and causality.

It is eveident from your comment that these issues, their relevance, and well as their philosophical implications are as completely lost on you as light is from day.

For if that was not the case, there is no way you would see relevance in asking why these necessary attributes are not the function of spagetti and meat balls.

Go figure.

For the most part in situations like this I only read posts directed to me, so you'd be correct. My attention span is a little too low, I bore easily, so I just skim the other posts. Also, it's not mandatory. You state the Fsm is not relevant, I show how it could still be useful. You rant.

You're also right about how much I value the issues you raise, I think them useless. I'm not sure what a purpose is doing in there. Though I admit I've only skimmed through them. Again, they weren't addressed to me, nor did you point them out to me before your silly post.

To be fair I was the one that engaged you. I'll stay out of your way.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MrAnony1(m): 5:58pm On Sep 23, 2012
plaetton:

Sure, why not?
But Only if you can hold Yahweh, the seven days of creation, man from clay mold, the talking snake, etc for scrutiny.
That is where you are missing the point, none of these have anything to do with the nature of the First Cause. They only point at events.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 6:01pm On Sep 23, 2012
Deep Sight:

No, it is not about the name: for the umpteenth time: it about the attribiutes which I listed, which are derived from the question of causality.

That is the connection you fail to make.

Just Why can't we be at liberty to bestow whatever superlative attributes to the FSM as the final bus stop? Is it because FSM is a relatively new concept?
If had come out of any ancient paper, I'm quite sure we would not be having this argument.
You shower superlative attributes to your god with relative ease. Is it not all about how far our imaginations can go?
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 6:02pm On Sep 23, 2012
wiegraf:

For the most part in situations like this I only read posts directed to me, so you'd be correct. My attention span is a little too low, I bore easily, so I just skim the other posts. Also, it's not mandatory. You state the Fsm is not relevant, I show how it could still be useful. You rant.

You're also right about how much I value the issues you raise, I think them useless. I'm not sure what a purpose is doing in there. Though I admit I've only skimmed through them. Again, they weren't addressed to me, nor did you point them out to me before your silly post.

To be fair I was the one that engaged you. I'll stay out of your way.

Lol, don't cry.

The issues raised derive from causality, and that is how we infer the attributes i raised. Those attributes are what should form the debate. FSM does not address such. It is thus a ridiculous non issue. Wrap your head around it.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 6:04pm On Sep 23, 2012
plaetton:

Just Why can't we be at liberty to bestow whatever superlative attributes to the FSM as the final bus stop? Is it because FSM is a relatively new concept?
If had come out of any ancient paper, I'm quite sure we would not be having this argument.
You shower superlative attributes to your god with relative ease. Is it not all about how far our imaginations can go?

Please go an re-read what i wrote. And read especially what was said about the source for the attributes relevant to be discussed. That source is causality and those attributes are at issue. Simple.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 6:06pm On Sep 23, 2012
Deep Sight:

Please go an re-read what i wrote. And read especially what was said about the source for the attributes relevant to be discussed. That source is causality and those attributes are at issue. Simple.



Please, can we open a new thread to discuss the strength of the FSM?


I would like to show you how biased and illogical you are. If the FSM is a religion with a deity, I wonder how you can overlook the christian religion and its deity to call the FSM rubbish.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by wiegraf: 6:08pm On Sep 23, 2012
Deep Sight:

Lol, don't cry.

The issues raised derive from causality, and that is how we infer the attributes i raised. Those attributes are what should form the debate. FSM does not address such. It is thus a ridiculous non issue. Wrap your head around it.

Don't worry, I'll survive, I have tissue around somewhere if I feel the need to cry. The issue seems to be one you've created to help you feel more special though.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 6:13pm On Sep 23, 2012
MacDaddy01:



Please, can we open a new thread to discuss the strength of the FSM?

Not with your current showing of poor logic, no thanks, I am se.xually masochistic, but not intellectually masochistic.

I would like to show you how biased and illogical you are. If the FSM is a religion with a deity, I wonder how you can overlook the christian religion and its deity to call the FSM rubbish.



Please can you see how much you dont read ? ? ? It is not surprising that the entire discussion has flown over your head. Everything I have been saying does not disclose what you have written here. The point has been that neither FSM nor religious garbage serve to detract from the necessity of a pre existent. And religious ontologies of God do contain the attributes derivative from the cosmological question of causation of the world, whereas the FSM id.iocy does not. Please learn to read.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 6:17pm On Sep 23, 2012
wiegraf:

Don't worry, I'll survive, I have tissue around somewhere if I feel the need to cry. The issue seems to be one you've created to help you feel more special though.


No: it derives from the question of causality. Think about it. Let me be conscise:

1. These issues all arise because of the question of the cause of the universe.

2. In determining the cause we must look at the core questions of cosmological existence: was the universe caused? If so, by what? If not, then how.

3. We must look at the attributes necessary for a cause to be the cause. Those are the logical attributes i mentioned.

Simples.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 6:19pm On Sep 23, 2012
Deep Sight:

Not with your current showing of poor logic, no thanks, I am se.xually masochistic, but not intellectually masochistic.



Please can you see how much you dont read ? ? ? It is not surprising that the entire discussion has flown over your head. Everything I have been saying does not disclose what you have written here. The point has been that neither FSM nor religious garbage serve to detract from the necessity of a pre existent. And religious ontologies of God do contain the attributes derivative from the cosmological question of causation of the world, whereas the FSM id.iocy does not. Please learn to read.

pls dont cry.


Look at the title of this thread and think about all you have discuseed on the thread.

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Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 6:27pm On Sep 23, 2012
Deep Sight:

No: it derives from the question of causality. Think about it. Let me be conscise:

1. These issues all arise because of the question of the cause of the universe.

2. In determining the cause we must look at the core questions of cosmological existence: was the universe caused? If so, by what? If not, then how.

3. We must look at the attributes necessary for a cause to be the cause. Those are the logical attributes i mentioned.

Simples.
But we have repeated it to you that FSM does not attempt to refute the core questions of cosmological existence. It agrees with it and just offers an alternative and unique angle from which to view it.

The very fact that we are locked in a heated and lively debate with you, a very intelligent person, about the merits or absurdity of FSM theology , actually amounts to a validation of the FSM theology.

This is what I love about FSM theology.
It's the FSM Paradox.
If you think it is absurd, then you are indirectly a convert.
Ha Ha Ha.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 12:04am On Sep 24, 2012
^^^
Last laugh.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by wiegraf: 12:19am On Sep 24, 2012
^^^^
I'm still not sure what that was all about, he seemed to have been answered oh so long ago..
Is it time to gloat yet?
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 12:30am On Sep 24, 2012
wiegraf: ^^^^
I'm still not sure what that was all about, he seemed to have been answered oh so long ago..
Is it time to gloat yet?


No , just throwing bait.

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Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by wiegraf: 2:09am On Sep 24, 2012
@platt, ok, let me know when

Deep Sight:

[1] - - - An eternal uncaused element

[2] - - - Trancendental

[3] - - - Being

[4] - - - Purpose
Let me ramble on here, and go back. Probably been already said though. Your problem is with using FSM in a broader context? Ok. I would think pointing out all these things are unnecessary (except maybe 1, isn't 3 related to 1?) would aid in putting the ID debate to rest. Is that what you're saying? Burden of proof/unfalsifiable claims are related to any scientific argument though, so FSM still stays relevant so long as one makes unfalsifiable claims in a scientific setting.

You could point out they (ID supporters) are making a lot of baseless assumptions, satire is an effective tool. By illustrating how absurd unfalsifiable claims can be, it demonstrates why they shouldn't be in a science class. While this does not attack one of the core elements of ID, which is that an intelligent being is necessary to explain how this universe was created, it illustrates how tenuous their positions are. Properties attributed to their designer are unfalsifiable (magical even) and therefore useless in a scientific setting.

Note, FSM was put together particularly for the ID crowd. The ID crowd do claim this intelligent being has untestable properties, thus FSM is apt for describing how silly that is as far as science is concerned. Deist crowd is not ID crowd, deists try to do away with the supernatural, no? Thus their need to illustrate the necessity of an intelligence behind creation, which I suppose is your focus. Op used the argument against anony, who pushes a supernatural god, so it's valid in his context. FSM would still be valid against deist gods of course, that is if any particular version claimed to have supernatural properties.

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Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by Nobody: 4:07am On Sep 24, 2012
funny thread..

it is, is it, isn't it, it isn't....

Guess everyone has gone to bed....

Have a nice rest guys... wonder what McDaddy and DeepSight would be dreaming of.... hmmm..
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by wiegraf: 4:24am On Sep 24, 2012
If I had my way, I'd never sleep. This perfectly designed, nonsensical body (and certain er.. recreational persuits) prevent that though
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by Nobody: 4:31am On Sep 24, 2012
wiegraf: If I had my way, I'd never sleep. This perfectly designed, nonsensical body (and certain er.. recreational persuits) prevent that though
Even the Perfect one, according to Christian theology, needed rest.... we all need a Sabbath..
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 4:32am On Sep 24, 2012
musKeeto: funny thread..

it is, is it, isn't it, it isn't....

Guess everyone has gone to bed....

Have a nice rest guys... wonder what McDaddy and DeepSight would be dreaming of.... hmmm..


Shut d feck up wink
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 4:10pm On Sep 24, 2012
plaetton:
But we have repeated it to you that FSM does not attempt to refute the core questions of cosmological existence. It agrees with it and just offers an alternative and unique angle from which to view it.

The very fact that we are locked in a heated and lively debate with you, a very intelligent person, about the merits or absurdity of FSM theology , actually amounts to a validation of the FSM theology.

This is what I love about FSM theology.
It's the FSM Paradox.
If you think it is absurd, then you are indirectly a convert.
Ha Ha Ha.

Address the attributes required of a cause. Simple.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 4:12pm On Sep 24, 2012
Deep Sight:

Address the attributes required of a cause. Simple.

Huh?
Sorry, cannot process.
Too much spaghetti in my brain right now. lol
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 4:33pm On Sep 24, 2012
plaetton:

Huh?
Sorry, cannot process.
Too much spaghetti in my brain right now. lol

Escapism.

ADDRESS THE ATTRIBUTES REQUIRED OF A CAUSE.

SIMPLE.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 4:35pm On Sep 24, 2012
Deep Sight:

Escapism.

ADDRESS THE ATTRIBUTES REQUIRED OF A CAUSE.

SIMPLE.


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Request is invalid........can not compute.......irrelevant.............
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 4:36pm On Sep 24, 2012
Deep Sight:

Escapism.

ADDRESS THE ATTRIBUTES REQUIRED OF A CAUSE.

SIMPLE.
Ha ha.
And what cause are talking about here? The universe or existence?
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 4:43pm On Sep 24, 2012
plaetton:
Ha ha.
And what cause are talking about here? The universe or existence?

I stated it already. You guys are being pathetically escapist.

Address the attributes required of a cause.

Reasonable and simple.

Running away from that is just cowardice and shows you have no argument.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 4:46pm On Sep 24, 2012
MacDaddy01:


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Request is invalid........can not compute.......irrelevant.............

Of course...... for m.orons.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 4:46pm On Sep 24, 2012
Deep Sight:

I stated it already. You guys are being pathetically escapist.

Address the attributes required of a cause.

Reasonable and simple.

Running away from that is just cowardice and shows you have no argument.

Look at the topic and read about the FSM.


After doing the above, you would realise why your question is invalid and you're the one doing the escapism


#logicboy's too much cool
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 4:49pm On Sep 24, 2012
Deep Sight:

Of course...... for m.orons.



Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by DeepSight(m): 4:49pm On Sep 24, 2012
MacDaddy01:

#logicboy's too much cool

Please have a look at ur words. Too much indeed. You just repeatedly show yourself to be about 12 years old. Really and frankly the da.ftest nit wit on this forum. Olodo.
Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by MacDaddy01: 4:51pm On Sep 24, 2012
Deep Sight:

Please have a look at ur words. Too much indeed. You just repeatedly show yourself to be about 12 years old. Really and frankly the da.ftest nit wit on this forum. Olodo.


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Re: The Pink Unicorn Argument Against Religion by plaetton: 4:56pm On Sep 24, 2012
Deep Sight:

I stated it already. You guys are being pathetically escapist.

Address the attributes required of a cause.

Reasonable and simple.

Running away from that is just cowardice and shows you have no argument.

I still dont get you. We have discussed and debated FIRST CAUSE in great detail.
I dont see how it figures into the thread about the pink unicorn or the FSM.
What ever your notions about the attributes of a cause, the FSM theology neither repudiates nor is even concerned with it.

We have simply been saying that the eternal first cause, the uncaused cause, the immutable eternity is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Period.

I reckon that it would sound childish and absurd to you, but then, most religious fables have the same childish and absurd quality about them.

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