odumchi:

This is exactly what I mean. My friend, get off of your horse so that your eyes can see the ground and know things for how they are. There is nothing more obnoxious than telling someone that you know more about them than they do.

Ekwuo m o gwu.



Nevermind the fact that it's a New Yam festival, the way Aro celebrates it is totally different from the way Nnewi celebrates it. Forget the fact that both groups are Igbo, Nnewi and Aro[chukwu] lie in entirely different culture zones.

afam4eva:
The bolded is an insult.

Antivirus92: you don't need to tell me that lie in different culture zones before i know. One is adulterated while one is not. How do you expect them(nnewi and aro ) to celebrate their respective festivals exactly alike? What makes the two festivals the same is that they are being dedicated to yam and not how they are celebrated.

Antivirus92: Again mindset like urs is capable of causing havoc among igbos cause you focus more on differences(aro and nnewi,south and north,diversities)etc instead of unity. I seriously doubt ur leadership abilities cause you're too cunny.

The truth still remains that the anambra/eri/nri people have a better understanding of what igbo is all about than most other people that claim to be igbo. The language,custom,tradition of igbos originated from nsukka -awka-nri-orlu axis, which many historians call the origin of igbo people. I have said it many times that the southern people are confuse about the term "igbo".

you're too cunny

odumchi:

Every culture in this world has a marriage ceremony. What you're saying is that all of those ceremonies are exactly the same irrespective of practices simple because they are marriage ceremonies.

I don't blame you for the bolded statement. I blame those who have contributed to the formation of Anambra as the stereotype of Igbo.



Lol, look who's talking about unity. Weren't you the person that wrote this?





Cunning? Funny?

Antivirus92: stop deceiving ur self by throwing marriage into this discussion. Marriage is a universal stuff,even whites do observe it. But anything "new yam" is strictly igbo no matter how it is being celebrated. Again you and ur company were the ones to start igbo diversity,differences and not me. When i was busy claiming that we are one,you're busy pointing out differences. Nobody contributed to the formation of anambra as the stereotype of igbo. It's just natural and there's nothing you can do about it.

The truth still remains that the anambra/eri/nri people have a better understanding of what igbo is all about than most other people that claim to be igbo. The language,custom,tradition of igbos originated from nsukka -awka-nri-orlu axis, which many historians call the origin of igbo people. I have said it many times that the southern people are confuse about the term 'igbo'

odumchi:

So statements like this are encouraging unity?



Let's find a way to tie this back into your question before it leads to something else.

ifyalways: I'm seriously "afraid" of commenting. Lol

Antivirus92: why did you focus so much on that particular statement?

odumchi:

Because that statement epitomizes your mentality regarding Igbo affairs. This lack of understanding is why the Igbo peoples are the way they are today.

Eze Promoe: That's one reason we should thank the whitemen for bringing us together, if not. Even the Igbos on their own is diverse. As an Igboman, there are at least 10 other Igbo dialects which you'll hardly understand.

@AntiVirus,
The people you called adulterated maybe the people who are speaking the Igbo of the old ages. All languages application changes from generation to generation, even English language isn't exempted from this. For example, why don't you hear words like thou art, thine, hast applied in the modern day English unless you go to the bible or read some of these shakespear books.

Antivirus92: go and read history please!

ifyalways: Eze Promoe, you get time, really. This thread obviously was a bait. Not for rubbing minds and sharing knowledge but for ime I-makwa-ndi-anyi-bu na okomoko.

Ndi nwelu efe na ayo Akpu.

Orikinla: [size=18pt]Igbo Ukwu was a civilized nation before the British ever created Nigeria.

The Kingdom of Nri (948—1911) was the West African medieval state of the Nri-Igbo, a subgroup of the Igbo people. The Kingdom of Nri was unusual in the history of world government in that its leader exercised no military power over his subjects. The kingdom existed as a sphere of religious and political influence over much of Igboland, and was administered by a priest-king called the eze Nri. The eze Nri managed trade and diplomacy on behalf of the Igbo people, and possessed divine authority in religious matters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Nri[/size]

Antivirus92: Please how do you view the word "IGBO"?. To you is it a tribe or a nation and give ur reason(s). Please mature comments. No tribalism/ethnicism,bashing,insults. Don't make unnecessary comments.

Antivirus92: what's the difference between a tribe and a nation/ethnic group. Do they(tribe and ethnic group/nation) have a relationship? I thought ngwa is igbo and according to you igbo is an ethnic group. How can ngwa be an ethnic group inside the igbo ethnic group? Or are they on their own?

ChinenyeN:
Word or the people? If it is about how I view the word "Igbo", then my answer is simple. I view it as a convenient classification.
If it is about how I view the people, continue to read the below.

I would not call Igbo a tribe, simply because classification as "Igbo" cuts extensively across related, unrelated communities, some of which are known, many of which are unheard of.

I'm hard-pressed to call Igbo a nation, because the collective consciousness that goes with being a nation is simply not there (or if it is there, it is virtually null). Example: Being called "Igbo" does not grant you birthright or citizenship in any part of Ngwa, Ikwere, Aro, etc. etc.

Then there is ethnic group. Ethnic group and nation, though very much connected, are really not the same thing, but they are sometimes used together. The defining feature of ethnic groups is that unique self-awareness. Staying within the scope of this discussion, you would recognize said self-awareness to be "clannishness" (as it has been so popularly termed by "Igboists" ). I understand Igbo to be a very loose, very very, extremely loose ethnic group, if anything; a loose connection of ethnic groups.

dzak: IGBO, they are neither a tribe nor a nation, they are a cursed race n deserve to be wiped out of 9ja as quickly as possible!!!

franchizy: As far as I'm concerned, the igbos can never b classified as a Tribe or Nation. They are just like birds without wings. Insha Allah

CHESSBOARD:

Antivirus, oya do your work, kill and delete this virus from this thread and brothers are coming ...bllody trojans

Igboland is the home of the Igbo people and it covers most of Southeast Nigeria. This area is divided by the Niger River into two unequal sections – the eastern region (which is the largest) and the midwestern region. The river, however, has not acted as a barrier to cultural unity; rather it has provided an easy means of communication in an area where many settlements claim different origins. The Igbos are also surrounded on all sides by other tribes (the Bini, Warri, Ijaw, Ogoni, Igala, Tiv, Yako and Ibibio).

The origins of the Igbo people has been the subject of much speculation, and it is only in the last fifty years that any real work has been carried out in this subject: like any group of people, they are anxious to discover their origin and reconstruct how they came to be how they are. ...their experiences under colonialsim and since Nigeria’s Independence have emphasized for them the reality of their group identity which they want to anchor into authenticated history. (Afigbo, A.E.. ‘Prolegomena to the study of the culture history of the Igbo-Speaking Peoples of Nigeria’, Igbo Language and Culture, Oxford University Press, 1975. 28.)

Analysis of the sources that are available (fragmentary oral traditions and correlation of cultural traits) have led to the belief that there exists a core area of Igboland, and that waves of immigrant communities from the north and west planted themselves on the border of this core area as early as the ninth century. This core area – Owerri, Orlu and Okigwi – forms a belt, and the people in this area have no tradition of coming from anywhere else. Migration from this area in the recent past tended to be in all directions, and in this way the Igbo culture gradually became homogenized. In addition to this pattern of migration from this core area, other people also entered the Igbo territory in about the fourteenth or fifteenth centuries. Many of these people still exhibit different characteristics from that of the traditional Igbos – for example geographical marginality, the institution of kingship, a hierarchical title system and the amosu tradition (witchcraft). For some time some Igbo-speaking peoples claimed that they were not Igbo – the word was used as a term of abuse for “less cultured” neighbours. The word is now used in three senses, to describe Igbo territory, domestic speakers of the language and the language spoken by them.(see (A.E. Afigbo,1981: Ropes of Sand, Caxton Press,Ibadan. and T. Shaw:1970; "Igbo Ukwu: An Account of Archaeological Discoveries in Eastern Nigeria", Faber and Faber, pp. 268-285).

The first contact between Igboland and Europe came in the mid-fifteenth century with the arrival of the Portuguese. From 1434-1807 the Niger coast acted as a contact point between African and European traders, beginning with the Portuguese, then the Dutch and finally the English. At this stage there was an emphasis on trade rather than empire building, in this case the trade consisting primarily of Igbo slaves. With the abolition of the slave trade in 1807 came a new trading era, concentrating on industry (palm products, timber, elephant tusks and spices). At this point the British began to combine aggressive trading with aggressive imperialism. They saw the hinterland as productive, and refused to be confined to the coast. In 1900 the area that had been administered by the British Niger Company became the Protectorate on Southern Nigeria, also incorporating what had been called the Niger Coast Protectorate. Control of this area then passed from the British Foreign Office to the Colonial Office. Long before it had officially been conquered, Igboland was being treated as a British colony. Between 1900 and 1914 (when Northern and Southern Nigeria were amalgamated) there had been twenty-one British military expeditions into Igboland. In 1928 for the first time in their history, Igbo men were made to pay tax – they were a subject people.

This attempt to take over political control of Igboland met with resistance and cultural protest in the early decades of the twentieth century. A nativistic religious movement sprang up (the ekumeku) which inspired short-lived but feverish messianic enthusiasm. The rumours that the Igbo women were being assessed for taxation, sparked off the 1929 Aba Riots, a massive revolt of women never encountered before in Igbo history. However, the engine of imperialism could not be stopped, and once it had begun, Igbo culture would never be the same again.

afam4eva: Igbo is a Nation or an Ethnic group and not a Tribe. Even Ngwa is not a Tribe but an ethnic group. You can consider one of Ngwa clans as a Tribe though.