maclatunji: How do you know it's jinn and not something else?

Sometimes, it is obvious... I had a cousin that had issues in the past... she is fine all day but the nights are crazy.

I pray we dnt get attachd 2 dem..insha Allah,AMiin. Nd our brodas affectd,get delivad..AMIIN
OMO AM SCARED OO.JST HAVIN DIS STRANGE FEELIN NÌ SHÁ
ANYWAYS MY GOD IS AL-QADIR-ABLE

Another personal experience:

This happened to my cousin.

She used to stay with us when we were all really young. At night, she gets into these weird conversations (about being some kind of queen or something, really weird stuff) when everyone is supposed to be sleeping. We all slept in the same room... My 3 siblings, my self and my cousin... I was between 9 and 14 years old (don't remember the exact year).. my cousin was much older than us.

One night, the conversation got heated and there was talk of killing my cousin, We all ran, turned on the lights, tried waking her up but she was not waking up. I asked my brother to recite the last three chapters of the Quran on her (That was about all we knew) and make dua, we ran to tell the parents. They thought we were overreacting.

After reciting and doing all we could, we went to sleep. I was relieved to see my cousin awake the next morning. Later, she told us of a dream, she had that night of a figure in white holding a sword coming to rescue her. She said she thought it was an angel.

I do not think she had those encounters again, at least not in our house. Funny enough, it wasn't so scary when we were kids but thinking of it now, just gives me the chills.

SubhanAllah

^ I had almost forgotten about this... Allahu akbar!!

^Errr... I am a bit skeptical with this your story. Trust me, I am not being naive but your cousin could have an active imagination that runs wild when she sleeps.

this thread makes me feel sorry for Nigeria nay africa.

If our intellects and future can think like this then hope becomes dim.


Anyway Maclatunji offers a glimmer of hope, in the midst of all the spiritual mumbo-jumbo, he has been able to inject a bit of rationale.

Skepticism is fine but I was there every night. This was no sleep talking besides she had runnings with jinns when she was younger, they carried her to places to do exorcisms, some of those places were less than ideal..

Mac, I guarantee that this was no sleep talking, it was intense stuff.
It was coherent (sleep talk is hardly coherent), it had continuity (the story had continuity), she had a history, it was intense.

I am a very skeptical person as well with things like this,far from superstitious but this happened in front of me. She will be the first to tell you of her problems with jinns.

pak: this thread makes me feel sorry for Nigeria nay africa.

If our intellects and future can think like this then hope becomes dim.


Anyway Maclatunji offers a glimmer of hope, in the midst of all the spiritual mumbo-jumbo, he has been able to inject a bit of rationale.

Have you ever been to wall street? Do you know how many psychics, fortune tellers and palm readers have offices in wall street??

I can tell you , a lot!!

Do you know how much those buildings cost to rent?
Very substantial amounts...
How do you think those psychics and palm readers are able to rent those places?
There have good patronage from the big 'intellectuals' at wall street...

How many buildings in wall street have a 13th floor?? ... why do you think they avoid a 13th floor? 13 stands for bad luck , they say... even though the so called 14th floor is just the 13th floor. These are intellectuals as well.

That is all 'spiritual mumbo-jumbo' by the intellectuals of the most powerful country in the world..

Now you can choose not to believe in this stuff, but do not come here with the 'it is an african thing' mentality.

maclatunji:

How do you know it's jinn and not something else?

its jinn because, she talk to an unseen beign. She has a relationship with him (the being). She has been on medication all these years

pak: this thread makes me feel sorry for Nigeria nay africa.

If our intellects and future can think like this then hope becomes dim.


Anyway Maclatunji offers a glimmer of hope, in the midst of all the spiritual mumbo-jumbo, he has been able to inject a bit of rationale.

Abi o.
We irrational and mumbo jumbo believing Muslims are the ones dimming the hope for Nigeria with our irrational beliefs.
If only there were more intellectual and rational folks like pak who don't believe in spiritual mumbo jumbo and who are very rational indeed then the world would be a better place.

^@ mac Besides they would be able to figure out if it is just a medical problem or an actual Jinn possession.

One thing about my environment here in Nigeria is that the paranormal, supernormal whatever you choose to call it has been abused greatly. People who are by themselves afraid of being in the dark will say all sorts of things. In the western world, if someone tells you this is beyond ordinary, it is easy to understand especially when the government admits it. Reminds of a documentary which proved for the first time the United States and United Kingdom governments admitting a presence in the skies that they could not explain, the researcher had to dig through piles of "X-files" to uncover this fact not that it was clearly stated or admitted but effectively the documents said: "Yeah! We saw something and we don't know exactly what it is".

My position with this kind of stuff is simple: "find a rational response until it becomes irrational to seek/stick with it."

^bros, there r wackos in the western world too,

What is a rational response exactly? Ruqyah has always been part of Islamic tradition, if the person does not have a probem then we know it is medical.

The key is to stay away from fetishness, it is not a big deal.

Jarus:
No, there is wet dream. The jinn effect is more intense, more regular and closer to real than wet dream. The jinn comes regularly, communicates with his victim etc. What is called ok oru in yoruba myth.

Ok....Have started to fear already but you have clarified it

Mac, have you ever personally witnessed anything that was ascribed to the supernatural that you weren't able to rationally explain?

tbaba1234: ^bros, there r wackos in the western world too,

What is a rational response exactly? Ruqyah has always been part of Islamic tradition, if the person does not have a probem then we know it is medical.

The key is to stay away from fetishness, it is not a big deal.

I agree with you. I just want to ensure that ruqyah is performed on someone who needs it not someone who would be better-off in a psychiatric hospital.

fellis:

Abeg no take laff kill me.
What of those countless people on Emmanuel TV that go to TB Joshua because they think they have been posessed by spiritual husbands and evil spirits? Dem be Muslim?

I think your story is false by the way.

please read my post very well before you quote me. [quote author=drstan] have you ever see a christian runing in the afternoon into the bush, or shouting, or manifesting, WHEN THEY ARE NOT BEEN PRAY FOR? Demonic spirit are difrent.. But jinn is only manifested ,by some muslim

fellis: Mac, have you ever personally witnessed anything that was ascribed to the supernatural that you weren't able to rationally explain?

It depends on your mindset. One thing I can say with all confidence is that my 6th sense (intuition) is very strong- it's intuition that tells you: "you are being watched", you turn around and voila! Someone is indeed looking at you. Mine is stronger than that, it tells me sometimes: "do this", "go there". I used to ignore it in the past but when I realised that virtually anytime I follow it I learn or see something remarkable, I embraced it.

It's actually triggered as I type this but I am not following what it says this time. #LOL.

Then I had this freaky experience, the story is somewhere here on Nairaland, let me see if I can find it.

maclatunji:

I agree with you. I just want to ensure that ruqyah is performed on someone who needs it not someone who would be better-off in a psychiatric hospital.

Sometimes you might need to ascertain that , an experienced person would know if it is a jinn possession.

The recitation of the Quran has a strong impact on the jinn. It doesn't take long to figure it out,plus they are other symptoms.

Yup! My true story: Paranormal or Co-incidental? You be the judge.

maclatunji: Let me add mine (although it cannot match many of those in that list). I was walking on a bridge in Lagos and when I got to the middle, an open truck that had roughly about 6 by 3 ft. plywood sheets on it was moving in the opposite direction from where I was coming from. Then the wind started blowing and the plywood started shaking and I thought to myself in Yoruba se o fe wa fo ni (there is no way this plywood is going to fly). As soon as that thought dropped in my mind, one of the sheets just flew from the moving truck up into the air and was going to land on my head (It was so surreal, I could hardly get out of the way) but I did. The truck driver too was nonplussed; he did not stop the truck until it had gotten to the end of the bridge before sending his assistant to pick up the sheet of plywood that had fallen on the pedestrian side of the bridge that I was on.

Funny enough, a washerwoman I knew was coming from the other side of the bridge and saw what had happened and said in yoruba "ku ori re, ko kin se iru igi yen lo ye ki o jabo le yan lori" meaning congratulations on your goodluck, it is not that type of wood that should land on someone's head- I agree with her 100%.

https://www.nairaland.com/694522/15-bizarre-coincidences#8575671

tbaba1234:

Sometimes you might need to ascertain that , an experienced person would know if it is a jinn possession.

The recitation of the Quran has a strong impact on the jinn. It doesn't take long to figure it out,plus they are other symptoms.

Ok, we are in agreement.

figures: please mr jarus I need ur help! How can I reach alhaji akindele. My mother has been possed withh jinn since 1999, I was just 15 and I am her 1st child. I reverted to islam 5yrs ago and I strongly believe in my deen. My younger brother is also a revert. I have been praying about this issue but I have been careful in seeking help because I don't want to get involved in shirk. Please I need help in performing rukya for my mum. She is presently in ibadan

U can reach Sheikh Akindele by taking a cab to Dugbe.Alight at Access bank,cross to the other side and go to FRSC road.It is directly opposite Access bank.When u get to dt road,ask for him.His mosque is along the road.Know dt without faith in Allah,the ruqyah would be of no effect..

gensteejay:
U can reach Sheikh Akindele by taking a cab to Dugbe.Alight at Access bank,cross to the other side and go to FRSC road.It is directly opposite Access bank.When u get to dt road,ask for him.His mosque is along the road.Know dt without faith in Allah,the ruqyah would be of no effect..

thanks a million

maclatunji: One thing about my environment here in Nigeria is that the paranormal, supernormal whatever you choose to call it has been abused greatly. People who are by themselves afraid of being in the dark will say all sorts of things. In the western world, if someone tells you this is beyond ordinary, it is easy to understand especially when the government admits it. Reminds of a documentary which proved for the first time the United States and United Kingdom governments admitting a presence in the skies that they could not explain, the researcher had to dig through piles of "X-files" to uncover this fact not that it was clearly stated or admitted but effectively the documents said: "Yeah! We saw something and we don't know exactly what it is".

My position with this kind of stuff is simple: "find a rational response until it becomes irrational to seek/stick with it."

Well, I think all of us here are educated enough to know what is rational and what is not.

Someone needs to sharpen is knowledge of jinns in the light of qur'an and Sunnah rather than some paranormal explanations. To start, anyone who disbelieves in the existence of jinns is not a Muslim in the first place because it is expressly mentioned in the qur'an and there is a whole verse named jinn . So that is settled. What can be dispute is their activities and manifestations and trust me I'm the last person that will subscribe to these kinds of talks, given my western orientation, if I'm not convinced about it, and openly on Nairaland for that matter.

Jinns exist, they interfere in human affairs, they possess people, completely or partially, it is very rampant in our society but a lot of people don't know. I have a very, very close family that was affected by jinn, and i was the first to note it was a jinn at work, of course after my study of their activities. This is a topic i am very emotional about because eni ba l'omo .

May the wrath of almighty God be on me if I lie.

And in any case, the oyinbo we claim to be more western headed than, know about jinn and one of the IIslamic world's most known exorcist is Jamaica born, US based Dr Bilal Philips. There have been reported cases exorcism in UK too.

Locally, i have witnessed exorcist sessions where jinns talked. Bindex, atheist, said on Nairaland here that he witnessed one in Kano. Kiwi, a UK based Nigerian non Muslim narrated how ayatul kursiyy helped solved the mystery in his household in UK. Could it be a coincidence that the same ayatul kursiyy that was mentioned by the prophet more than 1400 years ago, used proud predecessors, used by the likes of Ibn Taymiyyah, used by our sunnah sticking local scholars here like Alhaji Akindele etc, to truest jinn disturbance? If it wasnt jinn, but some 'paranormal' inexplicable things, why did ayatul kursiyy, the known cure for jinn, effective on it?

Anyone who can should read ibn tamiyyah essay on jinns translated by Dr Bilal Phillips

I would post a PDF link on the book later In sha Allah.

Of course, some people are paranormal because they don't have a deep understanding of what is jinn and what is not.

I used to be afraid when was young but the day i knew much about jinn, what they cannot do, was the day that mystery was solved. Today, i can walk in the darkest places, in the loneliest of places,what without any fear once fortify myself with the necessary adhkars . I am the last person anybody will Shakara with charm. Why do i have to be afraid when i understand the mystery behind all these things ignorant people disturb themselves over. Of course, if after all my necessary precautions, something evil happens to me, Iknow it's the will of God or my failing.

Jinns exist, they interfere in people's lives, but we don't need to fear them, fortify yourself jn the light of Qur'an and sunnah and live your life normally, what will hit you will not miss you and what will miss you will not hit you.

And of course there are psychological and medical disorders too, which are not jinn related.

LOL. You guys are preaching to a believer here. I just don't want the issue sensationalised. Jarus should note that majority of people you communicate with on Nairaland don't comment. The education of those who comment here is of little weight to me when I post on this topic.

I am more concerned about the lurkers who will read this and start screaming: "Jinn" the next time they have an headache.

By the way, jinns aren't the only beings that one can come across. There are angels too. I doubt anybody would know if he met an angel though.

#LOL

maclatunji: LOL. You guys are preaching to a believer here. I just don't want the issue sensationalised. Jarus should note that majority of people you communicate with on Nairaland don't comment. The education of those who comment here is of little weight to me when I post on this topic.

I am more concerned about the lurkers who will read this and start screaming: "Jinn" the next time they have an headache.

By the way, jinns aren't the only beings that one can come across. There are angels too. I doubt anybody would know if he met an angel though.

#LOL

Well, my aim is never to sensational the topic, but it is a subject that is worth knowing much about, given the prevalence our society today. And in contrast, it is the knowledge of that makes someone identify what is jinn and what is not, jinn so that he and won't have headache and says it's jinn, so that an harmless bat or bird will not stray into his house, like my Muslim landlord here and the next thing is shouting halleluyah, In Jesus name, so that he will not keep having weird dreams and he next port of call will be a herbalist or deviant alfa home. Knowing what is jinn and what isn't is very important to me, and I dont think discussing it, with whatever vigour, is sensationalism. Too many people are falling for shirk in our society out of ignorance of this subject and find it painful.

As for angels, well , i know someone that something was appearing to in her sleep, calling itself angel, and asking the person to stop doing salats, that salats had been abrogated etc. Unfortunately, she believed she was seeing God through angel in her dream, and she stopped praying. That was clearly jinn misguiding the poor woman, leading her astray as an agent of shayt aan, yet it called itself angel sent by God to her. This person lived under same roof with me before i left Kwara.

Maybe I have to read more about angels too, but I'm afraid one of the easiest way people get astray is seeing 'angel' in 'vision' and suddenly becoming a pastor or woliyy claiming it was God or angel they saw, depending on whatever it calls itself for them, whereas it is purely a case of jinn at work, deceiving them, fulfilling the vow of their grandmaster , shaytan ,who promised Allah to lead people astray.

^I am not talking about seeing angels in dreams. Most of the narrations I have seen refer to angels being sent to test people's faith.

At this point, I will just allow you to say and share all you know about jinns without interrupting.

In any case, anything, jinn or angel, that commands what is contrary to quran and sunnah, can not be Allah sent and angels unlike human and jinns, dont have the freewill, they fully obey Allah, so it makes it easy to detect someone that sees something else and calls it an angel.

Jarus: In any case, anything, jinn or angel, that commands what is contrary to quran and sunnah, can not be Allah sent and angels unlike human and jinns, dont have the freewill, they fully obey Allah, so it makes it easy to detect someone that sees something else and calls it an angel.

Obviously this dream you are talking about is devil inspired. I was speaking in general terms about angels not your story. I am reverting to reader mode.

maclatunji:

Obviously this dream you are talking about is devil inspired. I was speaking in general terms about angels not your story. I am reverting to reader mode.

LOL. Maybe I'm too emotional about this, but like I said eni ba l'omo.

I understand you, I just think we all need to disabuse our people's minds of all these mysteries(and waht is not mystery) that lead them astray.

Pardon my emotion.