@hot-angel

WHy does the devil always have to have a voice? he speaks like THAT right in your mind, and it's like his voice is even bigger than that of the Holy spirit,  WHY??

Where the Holy spirit is, the devil shouldn't be. Am i lost?

Perhaps you are at cross-roads, don't know what to do, there'll be definitely 2-voices whispering in one form or the other to you, "do this", "don't do it", "do this", "don't do it",, one will definitely be louder than the other. If you are conversant with Gods word, its like this: whichever voice seems to tell you to do something contrary/against what God's word says is not the Holy Spirit, because God wont contradict Himself. Then you'll know what to do.

Another thing: the devil's spirit is a shouting spirit, he's after eventual panick and confusion. When for the fact that you're about to do something is making you panicky and confused, its better to relax, take a break, get some air, come back to it and the situation will either sort itself out or you'll know what to do. The Holy Spirit is a gentle Spirit. When He tells you to do something, you'll observe you usually have peace of mind afterwards!

Thanks Kimba.

Great, kimba. But 'conviction', 'leading' and the 'in-dwelling' of the Holy Spirit are not the same. The Bible shows that the distinct mark of a believer is that he/she has the Holy Spirit dwelling in him/her -

Rom. 8:9[/color] - "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now [color=#770077]if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

1 Cor. 3:16 - "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

This cannot be said about someone who is not born again - who hasn't received Christ as Lord and Saviour. God's Word even says of some people that they don't have the Spirit of God in them - Jude 19 - "These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit."

Everyman can be convicted by the Spirit of God - but He does not dwell in every person unless such a person has first received Christ as Lord and Saviour. Am I missing something?

@4get_me
maybe twill be simpler like this: you have a gift that you cannot use unless you fulfill some conditions.

@kimba,
Simple enough. But I'm still wondering about it - because I don't see it taught that way in the Word. A person is not given the gift while he/she is not yet born again. Do you have any verses to show that everyone has the Holy Spirit even before they are born again?

@4get_me
Note: when I say that we were born with a measure of the Holy-Spirit, im not referring to baptism in the Holy-Spirit or Baptism with the Holy-Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues etc, here. Im just saying God deposits a measure of His spirit resident into everyman, thereby creating an awareness within that man that there is God, this helps man to recognize God, know that He is there. Its something in our subconscious. An outright sinner knows what is wrong or right, and even when hes in the sinning act, he knows he's commiting a sin against somebody.

If you say that Man is born without Gods Spirit in Him, then we say Men are born pure-aethists, not even sinners, since we never knew that God exists. The fact that man is born in Sin, of a sinner who knows God's will, and perhaps didnt obey it means that he would have obeyed God, but as aresult of indwelling sin, cant obey God. Now, until that man comes to a realization that he has done wrong, sinned against God(note, man has the knowledge that he sins against God) and as such needs God's forgiveness.

Example: David in Ps 51:11 - Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
The holy spirit David is referring to here is not the baptism in the Holy Ghost, coz at this point he was not even born again. He had lost it, he had fornicated, he was in a repenting state, yet, something within him was telling him he had sinned against God. Thats why he prays for "Ps 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit." restoration of salvation again.

Another thing: when we give our lives to Christ, we are given the Holy Spirit in a greater measure, than when one wasnt born again. The Holy Spirit at that point now guides. Note that until the day of Pentecost, the disciples hadnt been baptized with the Holy Ghost, even while Jesus was around. Now after Pentecost, they had the full measure of the Holy Spirit, for which they could do exploits.

@kimba,

You'd be wrong in your inference that because Man is born without God's Spirit in him means we are born pure-atheists. No at all. Everyman without Christ today is described as "dead in sin" - Eph.2:1,5. Even David in Psa.51 didn't suppose he was born with a measure of the Holy Spirit in him. There was a specific day when the Spirit of God came upon David (I Sam. 16:13), and this was not previously his experience. What we have at birth is our human spirit; that is why at regeneration God's Spirit comes into the believer's heart and resides in him/her as His temple. I do not find it anywhere stated directly or indirectly that man is born with a measure of God's Spirit.

What you're describing in your first paragraph just above is not the Holy Spirit - at best, it's man's conscience, which can be good or evil. Maybe I'm missing the points, and a few verses to establish your points will be of help.

Haba Kimba not everyone has the Holy Spirit, it's not possible, the Holy Spirit is what makes us different from a regular man--that's the divine one living in us. Remember man is also a tripartite (hopefully spelt it right--which i doubt!) being: he's a spirit, dwells in a body, and has a soul which's made up of his emotions ,free will, thoughts etc.

So what we're all born with is a soul, from there sits our intellect, and from whence we reason. The Holy Spirit's only given to the Born-Again. How can God dwell in an unclean temple? remember what communion has light with darkness. The Holy Spirit is the Angel of God's presence, He's God Himself, and if God cannot see iniquity why would He punish Himself to dwell in the un-saved man! that's why it's very vital for man to get born-again, and ask for the spirit of God. He's the one that gives us direction for our lives, and sets us apart from the ordinary man. Remember He's that same spirit that raised Christ from the dead. It's impossible for Him to dwell anywhere else.

kimba: Dearzi just said it all, in fact its exactly what she said that i wanted to say, thats why i asked if i may contribute.

Let me give my own testimony: As a student, it happened in an Adv. Maths class, I walked into the class totally unprepared for an exam. In fact, I never got news, or wind to even go over previous lectures. I had walked in before I knew what was up, so I couldnt escape and claim absence so as to give me time to study. In fact, the exam started like 15mins before i bounced in. My total unpreparedness was my fault. I sat down, got the testpapers, looked through questions 1-3 and knew nothing. I was like, im done man, so i decided to pray, and I think i genuinely prayed that day coz i was at the firefront. After praying, suddenly i discovered twas like i could hear someone whispering to me what i should write, "oya, question#1, here and there. I was totally surprised, but do you know, i answered the three questions, using about 8-pages of full-scap sheets of papers for my solutions/calculations and I was the first to finish. I heard everything. I submitted my papers, walked out, before i remembered what happened. I totally forgot about the test. When the results were released, I got a perfect score, in so much that when my paper was handed back to me, i was wondering how come i answered everything correctly. It was then I remembered twas the Holy Spirit working to tell me what i should do. Doesnt the Bible tell us he'll guide us in all our ways?  

wonderful!