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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by omotayokay: 3:42pm On Sep 12, 2013
Theben:
So, all the muslims will go to hell?

They believe in God, they believe in Jesus....so why would they go to hell?
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by gleaf: 3:44pm On Sep 12, 2013
God created man in his own image and likeness, therefore when the Pope says "consicence" it means that you have the consicience of the almighty, thereby if you live by your conscience you are still doing the will of God , the church i believe was established as a food or rather fuel for our souls and consicence. SO if you live by your consicence alone , you will make heaven. though it might be hard considering the environment we live in especially Nigeria

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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by victorazy(m): 3:44pm On Sep 12, 2013
This man is a disgrace to christiainity

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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by frevangel(m): 3:45pm On Sep 12, 2013
Atigba: The bible verses you just quoted was put there by the same catholic church...go and read the church history what you believe today is what they made you to believe you can tell me you know no more than the pope.

You are partly correct. Where you missed it is that God always has people who will not bow to any other God in every generation.

The part you got right is that Catholicism was formed to kill true Christianity, but it failed.
You cannot beat God!
A lot of the teachings in main stream Christianity today came from Catholicism and they are false.
But if you study the bible (You are wrong when you say the Catholic put those verses there) you will know the truth.
You remember how Protestants rose against the Catholic Church? it was because of the false teachings they brought in.

Your mindset is the exact mindset of one that fell for the deceit of Catholicism. The Teaching that the pope knows better.
Any man who is born again and has the Spirit of God in him can understand the scriptures himself and needs no pope or pastor to teach him actually.

1 John 2: 27  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

John 14:26  But the Comforter, which isthe Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are ledby the Spirit of God, they are thesons of God

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealedthem unto us by his Spirit: for theSpirit searcheth all things, yea,the deep things of God
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by mko2005: 3:46pm On Sep 12, 2013
Nigerian movie:

did Abraham Moses Isaac Jacob Lazarus believe in Jesus? How come they're in heaven??
Yes they believed in Jesus if you don't know ! They never worshiped idol.
See below where Jesus said even David recognized and worshipped HIM:
Psalm 110:1''The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

Mathew 22:41-44
''While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”
“The son of David,” they replied.
He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”’

Mathew 17:1-3'' After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
Jesus had always being with the father relating with the prophets of old for HE had being in existence before Abraham so Abraham knew HIM for HE had always been admonished by Jesus the son of God.

God help us
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by frevangel(m): 3:48pm On Sep 12, 2013
omotayokay:

They believe in God, they believe in Jesus....so why would they go to hell?
They do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah. That's the only guarantee for salvation.
To take it further, the God of Jesus Christ is not the same god of Muslims.
All@h is the moon god. Jehovah Yahweh is the Almighty God.
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Atmosfear: 3:51pm On Sep 12, 2013
Food for thought.
Slowly the church is trying to satisfy the world, if you can't beat the world join it!!!!

Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by jmoore(m): 3:52pm On Sep 12, 2013
Which bible is this man reading, huh?
The last time was about homosexuals, now he is talking about atheists. What's next?


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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Atigba: 3:53pm On Sep 12, 2013
fr_evangel:

You are partly correct. Where you missed it is that God always has people who will not bow to any other God in every generation.

The part you got right is that Catholicism was formed to kill true Christianity, but it failed.
You cannot beat God!
A lot of the teachings in main stream Christianity today came from Catholicism and they are false.
But if you study the bible (You are wrong when you say the cashier put those verses there) you will know the truth.
You remember how Protestants rose against the Catholic Church? it was because of the false teachings they brought in.
you are trying to tell me that christianity is the best religion..go and read your bible there is nothing like christianity or catholism..all these institutions where setup by men...salvation is for the jews nt christians

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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by mko2005: 3:57pm On Sep 12, 2013
Atigba: The bible verses you just quoted was put there by the same catholic church...go and read the church history what you believe today is what they made you to believe you can tell me you know no more than the pope.
some times the way we reason surprises one !But come to think of it,atheists hold on to their error(NO GOD)till the very day they encounter the holy spirit.Since you don dey claim again say na you give me the scriptures wey i no even know how you take give me scripture wey God give HIS servants long time ago before the roman catholics,how come you no want me to follow the scriptures wey you dey claim say you give me ? I quoted the scriptures to you and not the 'bible'per se and you dey claim say the word of God na ur word !
If i ask you again you go come tell me how the traditions of men suppose to be superior than the word of God. If i come shout too much you go come tell me again say afterall say na man na him write the bible self !
The point is whenever a man,organisation,institution or cult makes a mistake,if they fail to acknowledge it and take correction,they make another mistake to defend the initial mistake !

God help us all
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by obayaya(m): 3:57pm On Sep 12, 2013
when it comes to religion, there's one analogy that makes sense and I buy completely. and guess what, it was propagated by an atheist. a blind atheist I've forgotten the guys name. but he said.

we all are searching for the truth. to some the truth is Jesus, to others it's Allah, budha and so on.

this truth he continued is like an ocean, a God head, where all wisdom and Good things emanate from. the different religions are like pathways through which we (the rain drops) get back to this ocean.

some will be lucky to fall directly into the ocean, others will fall in rivers, canals, and on land. but one sure thing is that they will eventually get to this ocean but in different time frame.

the ones that drop directly to this ocean are the ones you can consider the true religion. but then we can't ascertain which religion it is.

hold onto your religion like its the true religion while respecting other religions as being a different path to the same truth (God).
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Ribaman(m): 3:57pm On Sep 12, 2013
The man is not saying something new, he is merely reminding us of what the correct Christian teaching is.
As always, re this pope: I employ the fine saying " God bless our pope, the great, the good". To be honest, I have never said them re any other Pope.
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Nobody: 4:03pm On Sep 12, 2013
I am not an expert in religious matter but for those who claimed to be, please are you guys saying that someone who believe in God but does evil will go to heaven in place of an atheist that have a conscience and had no cause to wrong his fellow human?

Until someone comes up with the right answer to my question, then we can have a discussion on the pope's position, other than that I guess we should all go back to our lives and try to be better people.
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by MrAboki: 4:04pm On Sep 12, 2013
Judas2013:

oga sir,i am a honest Nigerian. em em a christian for that matter. How do i convert to Islam?....i want a potion of that 72 virgin. Reason is i waank too much sad please help me sir. Anything for 72 virgins cheesy



Lol


No wonder your name is JUDAS.... Shey na your Uncle sell Jesus for Ariaria for 30 pieces of assorted Goods.. grin

We no want your type for our heaven.. You fit sell guys dey collect their virgins.. grin
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Nobody: 4:06pm On Sep 12, 2013
this pope has never stopped embarrasing me and other catholics. God forbid!
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by danot1030: 4:08pm On Sep 12, 2013
Theben:
So, all the muslims will go to hell?
YES! straight 2 hell fire. dont bliv all those story abt 70virgin o, u beta repent.

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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by danot1030: 4:08pm On Sep 12, 2013
Theben:
So, all the muslims will go to hell?
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:09pm On Sep 12, 2013
idnoble135: Nobody will make heaven without going through Jesus.
#Bewareoftheleavenofthisfolks

As if atheist cares about your heaven. Mtchewwww
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Judas2013: 4:09pm On Sep 12, 2013
Mr Aboki:



Lol


No wonder your name is JUDAS.... Shey na your Uncle sell Jesus for Ariaria for 30 pieces of assorted Goods.. grin

We no want your type for our heaven.. You fit sell guys dey collect their virgins.. grin

sad sad sad sad
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by frevangel(m): 4:12pm On Sep 12, 2013
Atigba: salvation is the jews nt for christian

Matthew 28: 18  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: note 20  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


John 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 2:39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Act 20:21 Testifying both to theJews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faithtoward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christis all, and in all. 

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus

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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by danot1030: 4:15pm On Sep 12, 2013
Nigerian movie:

did Abraham Moses Isaac Jacob Lazarus believe in Jesus? How come they're in heaven??
dat was b4 d death n resurectn of Jesus. dis wher d pope himself missd it Rm,1:18-21
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by HUGES: 4:16pm On Sep 12, 2013
No bros, not all our ancestors will burn in hell. But some will, ie, those who did not follow gud conscience to live rit. But thos who were led by conscience to live riteous will go to heaven(read Rom ch 2 vs 12 -16 for details). And gud thin u brought up d issue of 'ancestors'. D pope is wrong because his assertion is only true 4 our ancestors and all who did not ever add a knowledge of d true GOD (ie d one Abraham d Jew served). But in Acts 17 vs 30 wen d Athenians wer serving d unknown god, Apostl Paul told them 'bout GOD and revealed to dem dat God wil judge men by conscience in d days of 'ignorance of d true GOD', but now dat dey, u and I hav heard of HIM and His Son Jesus, u must believe in HIM and also follow conscience to do rit (cos He is d one in dat conscience prompting u to do rit) else u are Hell bound (no offence).

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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by elampiro(m): 4:17pm On Sep 12, 2013
obayaya:

come and see the beauty of God, if you don't, you will perish and Go to hell?

that sounds like "Syria hand over your chemical weapons, or we'll destroy you"

That's a threat my friend.

I don't understand you.

Hell exist. So it is also a tipic that can't be avoided. If you love your neighbor, you will save him from hell by telling him the truth.
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by frevangel(m): 4:19pm On Sep 12, 2013
Atigba: you are trying to tell me that christianity is the best religion..go and read your bible there is nothing like christianity or catholism..all these institutions where setup by men...salvation is for the jews nt christians

You totally missed me. There is nothing like Christianity really. It was a coined word to describe the followers of Jesus Christ back then.
Being born again is a different experience all together. It is not joining a religion, it is accepting Jesus Christ as the Son of God, receiving remission of sins, and living like Jesus Christ commanded hoping for His second coming.
It is the living like Jesus Christ that was called Christianity by non believers in the new testament age really.
The biblical word for believers is THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.

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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Odunharry(m): 4:19pm On Sep 12, 2013
Acts 17:30
"The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent...

For those saying if our great great grandparent would make heaven..
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Gpattern(m): 4:20pm On Sep 12, 2013
Paul said, if any one, be it a man, an angel or even him paul teach any thing out side what he have thought, let him be acursed... And what paul thought is that only Jesus can save. So for me the pope is wrong in this matter.

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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Nobody: 4:22pm On Sep 12, 2013
I strongly disagree with you sir!
I know what my bible teaches me.

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Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by akenuka(m): 4:22pm On Sep 12, 2013
elampiro: Vatican Radio)

Christian life is not a spa therapy "to be at peace until Heaven," but it calls us to go out into the world to proclaim that Jesus "became the sinner" to reconcile men with the Father. These were Pope Francis’ words during his homily at Mass Saturday at the Casa Santa Martha.

The Christian life is not staying in a corner to carve a road which takes you into heaven, but it's a dynamic that encourages one to stay "on the road" to proclaim that Christ has reconciled us to God, by becoming sin for us. In his usual profound and direct way, Pope Francis focuses on a passage from the Letter to the Corinthians, from today's liturgy, in which St. Paul very insistent, almost "in a hurry", uses the term "reconciliation"five times.

True reconciliation means that God in Christ took on our sins and He became the sinner for us. When we go to confession, for example, it isn’t that we say our sin and God forgives us. No, not that! We look for Jesus Christ and say: 'This is your sin, and I will sin again'. And Jesus likes that, because it was his mission: to become the sinner for us, to liberate us. " -Pope Francis in the link above.


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More news:

It looks to me this man will be the one to change the Mass and the sacraments. His new deputy just appointed is already getting set to welcome talk on cancellation of celibacy of the prieshood.


New Vaican Secretary Of State Says Celibacy Open For Discussion.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/11/20433950-pope-francis-no-2-clerical-celibacy-is-open-to-discussion?lite
let me use this medium to tell all catholic faithfuls.
your so called leaders are leading you in a blindfolded state.
Benedict saw all these coming, resigned and lied that old age was the reason and later lied again that it was the HOLY SPIRIT that told him to resigned.
soon homosexuality will be adopted in catholic but God cos i know he will allow priest to marry.
Pope keep pleasing the world and burn on hell
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Odunharry(m): 4:23pm On Sep 12, 2013
Judas2013:

i thought he said he would come before the end of his generation. he no come,na now him go come?

no be catholic write the bible? why argue with the pope now.
who they feed u lies?catholic write bible?
Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by frevangel(m): 4:23pm On Sep 12, 2013
woodcook: I am not an expert in religious matter but for those who claimed to be, please are you guys saying that someone who believe in God but does evil will go to heaven in place of an atheist that have a conscience and had no cause to wrong his fellow human?

Until someone comes up with the right answer to my question, then we can have a discussion on the pope's position, other than that I guess we should all go back to our lives and try to be better people.

All believers who live in sin will go to hell too. Those who do not believe will go to hell as well irrespective of their good works. Ever heard of the scripture that the righteousness of Man is as a filty rag before God?

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