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Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by Sissie(f): 4:10pm On Nov 06, 2013 |
deols: LOL hehehe |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by tbaba1234: 7:58pm On Nov 06, 2013 |
Roypcain, are you sweetnecta?? Having one wife is Mustahabb and could be fard on a person depending on the circumstances... Having more than one is conditional on the application of justice amongst them within your ability. It is a choice for those who can administer justice and provide for them. There is nothing wrong with the clause in the advert because it is still a choice as it is not open for everyone. We don't have to travel from andalusia to the Zakat wars to the fall of the ottomans. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by Nobody: 8:47pm On Nov 06, 2013 |
who is sweetnecta? i dont really know what to make of your post above. so i am just gonna leave the whole matter alone. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by tbaba1234: 8:56pm On Nov 06, 2013 |
RoyPCain: who is sweetnecta? i dont really know what to make of your post above. so i am just gonna leave the whole matter alone. One of the awesome brothers that used to be here. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by AbdH: 8:03pm On Nov 07, 2013 |
tbaba12345: Whatever the reasons for putting the clause. There is nothing wrong with it given the fact that polygyny is a choice not fard. The Job is a choice not fard. It is all within your hands. Linking it to the fall of the empire is ridiculous. Yes brother but I believe that there is something wrong with that clause if you view it through the Shariah or don't you think? |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by tbaba1234: 8:53pm On Nov 07, 2013 |
AbdH: I don't think so. If it was a national law then it is wrong as it restricts those who want it but it is a job and if you want a second wife, you can speak to your employers or resign. Other jobs will not have that restriction. A woman can include this clause in her marriage contract as well. It is still a choice. And Allah knows best. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by Nobody: 12:13pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
Clause 3 & 6 are funny |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by BlueMurder(m): 12:48pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
sCun: Today's imam must be good at radicalising people and turning them into terrorists. Ok, you've been noticed. Now, run along. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by Infomizer(m): 12:48pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
Logic? Astronomy? An Imam? I'm discombobulated!!! |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by Sagamite(m): 12:48pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
On this basis, I will turn down the job. "He must be married with a maximum of one wife who must be very pretty and beautiful (to ensure he doesn't look at other women)." That would be the biggest haram in my religious life as a devout muslim. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by sCun: 12:53pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
Sagamite: On this basis, I will turn down the job.Product of a failed education system 1 Like |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by beejaay: 1:09pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
tbaba1234: Wow, shows how far we have fallen... Those were the days. if anyone should make the above as one of the criteria for choosing imams/sultan/emirs today is people like u @op and all the moderators on this site that will call the person an unbeliever and someone who doesnt know or understand Quran and am damn sure fatwa will be place on the said person across the world.... the hypocrisy is everywhere |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by nora544: 1:11pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
That is from Turky, thsi is the search for an iman for Istambul which is a city in europa. Istambul is with his living still closer to Europa than to arabian countries. Istambul is the old christian city konstantinopel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCleymaniye_Mosque and was build from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suleiman_the_Magnificent |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by Jamji: 1:11pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
una nor dey try for here. i thought i was about to see an ancient relic or scroll with the advert on it. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by vivaciousvivi(f): 1:11pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
#Scratchinghead...I don't understand this thread. Please can someone explain it to me? I can tell its an Islamic thing but I would still like to know. Oya, Muslim bros and Sis over to you please. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by deols(f): 1:15pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
nora544: That is from Turky, thsi is the search for an iman for Istambul which is a city in europa. What is your point. There was nothing like barriers in an Islamic empire. They were a nation and not divided into countries. So it was not a Turkish or European thing but a 16th century Muslim thing. It is not surprising how much knowledge an Imam needed to have. Muslims lead in all kinds of advancement at the time. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by tbaba1234: 1:22pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
beejaay: Mr man, Where have you seen me or the moderators label anyone disbeliever? Polygyny is a choice as the Job is a choice. The clause is not a neccessary clause for an Imam but if they ban something compulsory for a job then i'd be against it. Polygyny is not compulsory just like the job isn't compulsory. As long as it is not a 'national' ban. It's fine as it does not restrict those who want polygyny. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by tpia5: 1:30pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
The turks took over the old eastern roman empire, but they did not abandon the cultural practices even though they became muslim. The romans did not practice polygamy, same as the ancient greeks. Also why the requirements for an imam included he must be educated, versed in latin, sciences and humanities, etc. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by tbaba1234: 1:45pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
tpia@: Untrue, most of the ottoman sultans had multiple wives. 1 Like |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by vedaxcool(m): 2:49pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by Caseless: 3:05pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
tpia@:only turkey did this in order to gain EU's recognition and, the ban has been lifted so as to meet the demand of those rebels. Women now wear hijab to public places. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by Caseless: 3:07pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
tpia@:'ill-informed'! |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by rabzy: 4:17pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
tpia@: During the middle ages before the renaissance, Western Europe was quite backward in technological innovations and scientific advancement. it was the muslim world that was carrying the touch in several fields of human endeavour e.g astronomy, medicine, engineering etc. The muslim scholars were in the forefront of these innovations and Many of the things they improved on were learnt from books written in latin, while europe was in turmoil from ceaseless wars, the Islamic caliphate has been consolidated. So they could learn from mostly greek great thinkers and innovators of the past. 1 Like |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by Dewze(m): 4:54pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
RoyPCain: this is a horrible advert especially its restriction of one wife. no wonder the kalifah office was lost on the turks. A good leader and a good instructor will lead and instruct you by his own practical examples. So, lead by allowing a brother to come and enjoy all the goods that you want for yourself. put your own heart on that jealousy scale of yours and show to Allah how much it really weights. I do not believe there is the Islamic knowledge and faith where it is said that God had designed or even mandated the woman to be less jealous than the man? RoyPCain: this is a horrible advert especially its restriction of one wife. no wonder the kalifah office was lost on the turks. A good leader and a good instructor will lead and instruct you by his own practical examples. If you indeed have been empowered to instruct, then you are a leader, and then a leader can only either lead God's people closer to God, or lead them farther away from God. So, lead by allowing a brother to come and enjoy all the goods that you want for yourself. put your own heart on that jealousy scale and show to Allah how much it really weights. Is there any where in Islamic knowledge that it is said that God had designed or even mandated the woman to be, or even feel less jealous than the man? |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by tpia5: 5:07pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
tbaba1234: Like you said, ottoman sultans, and not necessarily reflective of the average turkish. If Mohammed himself was in a monogamous marriage initially, then whats so strange about the issue of monogamy. And even with your example, the most famous turkish sultan, had only one legal wife. And this was in the 16th century. My point is, monogamy may be strange to you, but it wasnt as strange back then as you're trying to make it seem. The romans and ancient greeks had practiced it for centuries and did not consider polygamy the norm. Turkey took over that empire and its far more likely polygamy was imported as a result of the muslim conquests. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by tpia5: 5:13pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
caseless: 'ill-informed'! If you can point to any other muslim ad where a 16th century muslim imam is required to have only one wife, i'll agree with you. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by nexstorm(m): 5:17pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
for the wisdom of men is only for an instant.the the wisdom of GOD can never be shaken..verily i say unto you if only one mans desire sets a standard for you all then time would tell if it was as GOD wanted it for all men.i beseech you brothers why not listen to what GOD is saying to You in particular.not what HE has said concerning another man. |
Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by tpia5: 5:38pm On Nov 08, 2013 |
tbaba this excerpt from a 19th century writer, gives an idea of marriage practices among ottoman turks of that century. the western perception was what you typed in your post, namely the rulers were known for harems. However in actual fact, it was mainly some of the richer people who indulged in such, it wasnt the norm per se. http://books.google.com/books?id=hVw4AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA147&dq=monogamy+in+turkey&hl=en&sa=X&ei=URF9UoboKPLKsASDj4GoAQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=monogamy%20in%20turkey&f=false there is a also a footnote on that page stating among 40,000 muslims in crete, there wasnt one single case of polygamy. so, my point is, polygamy is not necessarily an automatic assumption for all cultures. some cultures are polygamous while others arent. the fact that turks often took wives from among the slave population (majority christian), might also be a factor. |
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