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tpia@:



Like you said, ottoman sultans, and not necessarily reflective of the average turkish.

If Mohammed himself was in a monogamous marriage initially, then whats so strange about the issue of monogamy.

And even with your example, the most famous turkish sultan, had only one legal wife. And this was in the 16th century.

My point is, monogamy may be strange to you, but it wasnt as strange back then as you're trying to make it seem.


The romans and ancient greeks had practiced it for centuries and did not consider polygamy the norm. Turkey took over that empire and its far more likely polygamy was imported as a result of the muslim conquests.

The Ottomans did not start in the 19th century. We are talking of a 700 year old empire. Your assertions are very simplistic.

Even up till today, only about 10% of muslims practise polygyny globally even though it is permitted.

To assume that there is some cultural extraction from the roman is very simplistic and not a correct representation.

The 19th century was a very different time for the ottomans. The growth of secularism in the empire during that period is a more reasonable explanation for whatever stat you are raising.

The growth of secularism by later sultans, growing debt and reliance on european powers are some of the reasons for the fall of the empire.

why exactly are you separating turkey from europe culturally?

because they are muslim (and by implication, had polygamous sultans)?

yes, while that is true, its rather simplistic to view them only in that context.

the Ottomans did not start in the 19th century. We are talking of a 700 year old empire.

the point was to show its a cultural context. Culture does not always vanish overnight even after conquest, it leaves its mark or imprint on subsequent cultures which follow it.

Your assertions are very simplistic.

seems you do not want any other explanation besides the one you're proferring, which in this case, is subject to scrutiny.

If polygyny was not likely to happen, I doubt that putting it as a part of the criteria would be necessary.

I really don't know what tpia is trying to prove. The fact remains that, having multiple wives was not seen as a necessity for a Muslim Imam..

and Imams were chosen among the most educated of people.

We can imbibe at least some of that, if not all.

tpia@:


If you can point to any other muslim ad where a 16th century muslim imam is required to have only one wife, i'll agree with you.

and u think as it was possible for the keepers of tha ad to preserve this, others shld hav theirs displayed too? U shld hav taken ur time to weigh the civilization in turkey then and other muslim dominated areas in the past.

deols: If polygyny was not likely to happen, I doubt that putting it as a part of the criteria would be necessary.

I really don't know what tpia is trying to prove. The fact remains that, having multiple wives was not seen as a necessity for a Muslim Imam..

and Imams were chosen among the most educated of people.

We can imbibe at least some of that, if not all.

d tpia@ gal, is she against polygamy ;in order word, marrying more than one?
She go taya cos me i go marry 4. Make she carry her crusade go somewhere.

caseless: and u think as it was possible for the keepers of tha ad to preserve this, others shld hav theirs displayed too? U shld hav taken ur time to weigh the civilization in turkey then and other muslim dominated areas in the past.

Must i spell everything out for you and your blackberry?

The reason the op posted this ad was to prove imams dont necessarily have to have multiple wives.

My rejoinder to him was the ad should be viewed on a cultural basis, not a general one.

In nigeria especially, most imams are polygamous and this is seen as a requirement of their deen, anything else would look strange because polygamy is ingrained in the culture.

In 16th century turkey, this type of ad for an imam might not seem out of place because the notion of an imam being monogamous, would not seem unusual to the people.

Do you now get it or not? If not then waka pass, thanks for giving me your attention, bye.

caseless: d tpia@ gal, is she against polygamy ;in order word, marrying more than one?
She go taya cos me i go marry 4. Make she carry her crusade go somewhere.

Is this post for me, deols or your fiancees?

Abi deols is included in the latter?

I dont see how you made a connection between me and your personal life?

na number 3 spoil the whole show. why are Muslims so interested in religion comparison. that's where the problem began. its been long it started . WE LOVE ISLAM, they're our brother, grandchildren of Abraham via Ishmael. no need to ban me, I wasn't being offensive just saying my mind -freedom of speech

tpia@:


Must i spell everything out for you and your blackberry?

The reason the op posted this ad was to prove imams dont necessarily have to have multiple wives.

My rejoinder to him was the ad should be viewed on a cultural basis, not a general one.

In nigeria especially, most imams are polygamous and this is seen as a requirement of their deen, anything else would look strange because polygamy is ingrained in the culture.

In 16th century turkey, this type of ad for an imam might not seem out of place because the notion of an imam being monogamous, would not seem unusual to the people.

Do you now get it or not? If not then waka pass, thanks for giving me your attention, bye.

So you read the op's mind and saw that all he wants to prove is the monogamous part?

You did not see the education, the physical fitness, etcetera that the Imam had to excel in??

I knew you had the wrong notion of what Muslims want of this and is why you have been arguing to no end.

whether Turkish or Nigerian, Islam is One and the cultural difference doesnt give much difference and even gives no difference in an issue like this one.

You are proving nothing actually because no matter what you say, fact remains that, in Nigeria and elsewhere, a Muslim, any Muslim can be polygamous or not. There is no compulsion in it.

I wonder why you keep mentioning, especially from one thread to the other, what you think Muslims in Nigeria expects from their Imams. How you come to conclude that your thought is the thought of every Muslim is worrisome. If you can not take the thoughts of the Muslims on here, who quite represent the average Nigerian for what it is, then there is a problem somewhere.

and You definitely don't know as much as you think you do.

This argument has beclouded d lessons we shed derive from d ad, Viz our predecessors greatly valued knowledge in a multidisciplinary style. We really need to revive dis culture.

tpia@:

In nigeria especially, most imams are polygamous and this is seen as a requirement of their deen, anything else would look strange because polygamy is ingrained in the culture...

polygamy is not just ingrained in the culture, its ingrained in the religion. its enjoined by God. Muslims know because their best example (pbuh) was polygamous and so were his companions (r.a). right now I can only think of a couple of them that were monogamous.


that stipulation in the ad was misguided. and following it up with " she must be pretty" only compounded the problem. what's "pretty" is a pretty subjective evaluation.

and stipulating imams should only marry beautiful women will open a door to whole different kind of fitna.

tpia@:


Is this post for me, deols or your fiancees?

Abi deols is included in the latter?

I dont see how you made a connection between me and your personal life?

sharrap!

tpia@:


Must i spell everything out for you and your blackberry?

The reason the op posted this ad was to prove imams dont necessarily have to have multiple wives.

My rejoinder to him was the ad should be viewed on a cultural basis, not a general one.

In nigeria especially, most imams are polygamous and this is seen as a requirement of their deen, anything else would look strange because polygamy is ingrained in the culture.

In 16th century turkey, this type of ad for an imam might not seem out of place because the notion of an imam being monogamous, would not seem unusual to the people.

Do you now get it or not? If not then waka pass, thanks for giving me your attention, bye.

u ar stil tilted in ur argument. How is being a polygamist the pre-requisite to attain imam-hood? Sms!
Attention ko? Admission ni!

F00028:
polygamy is not just ingrained in the culture, its ingrained in the religion. its enjoined by God. Muslims know because their best example (pbuh) was polygamous and so were his companions (r.a). right now I can only think of a couple of them that were monogamous.


that stipulation in the ad was misguided. and following it up with " she must be pretty" only compounded the problem. what's "pretty" is a pretty subjective evaluation.

and stipulating imams should only marry beautiful women will open a door to whole different kind of fitna.

Turks generally pride themselves on their beauty i think.

Races which are known for good looks, often do.



Muslims'best example, was monogamous before he became polygaous though.

tpia@:

Muslims'best example, was monogamous before he became polygaous though.

exactly!

tpia is trying hard to prove nothing, actually

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