vickyO:
Eli the priest?

I meant Elijah . So answer it now , were/are Elijah. Enoch divinities?

try69:

Ok madam..pls tell us what u understood from the scripture I quoted. I have more questions oh.. I need you to guide me so I don't get tins wrong..oya start pls..

did you ask yourself who he was going to speak to? Is it the whole world? NO

Do you expect Paul to rewrite all that he taught in his letter to the Corinthians, Romans, galatians, Ephesians, Hebrew, timothy, etc, to this people. The revelations he got are in these letters and he knows them so he can teach them orally.

Don't be deceived by those who teach you lawlessness and tell you it is oral tradition. Na who we go ask? I hope i have guided you. You still have the right to continue believing your oral traditions. Na who we go ask?

Mary ascended to heaven?:/ Loool,i can't stop,this is a new one and it is so funny.

vickyO:
Was that a rhetorical question? you don't expect me to answer that, do you?

Do you know how apostle peter was killed?

Again I say MIND YOUR BUSINESS! You don't know nothing..

vickyO:
Jesus never regarded his mother in high esteem. people told him blessed is the womb that conceived him but he told them instead blessed are those who believe in his teachings............... Jesus never preached any catholic doctrine........... read your bible well our new testaments are the same.

yet he asked people in the marriage he attended to do as his mum wishes? Yet despite the fact that it wasn't yet his time , he obeyed his mum accomplished a miracle .
Your argument doesn't make sense so the same God who asked us to honor our father and mother wasn't honoring his own mother, smh @ your ignorance

POPE II: I meant Elijah . So answer it now , were/are Elijah. Enoch divinities?

they didn't die. and the book of revelations speaks about their return. they will die when they return cause death is inevitable. Did the bible record anything about Mary's return. Even Jesus Christ died so who is Mary in the face of death?

POPE II: yet he asked people in the marriage he attended to do as his mum wishes? Yet despite the fact that it wasn't yet his time , he obeyed his mum accomplished a miracle .
Your argument doesn't make sense so the same God who asked us to honor our father and mother wasn't honoring his own mother, smh @ your ignorance

thank God you said honour your father and mother. Did Christ tell us to honour His mum or dad?

Boomark:

did you ask yourself who he was going to speak to? Is it the whole world? NO

Do you expect Paul to rewrite all that he taught in his letter to the Corinthians, Romans, galatians, Ephesians, Hebrew, timothy, etc, to this people. The revelations he got are in these letters and he knows them so he can teach them orally.

Don't be deceived by those who teach you lawlessness and tell you it is oral tradition. Na who we go ask? I hope i have guided you. You still have the right to continue believing your oral traditions. Na who we go ask?

Work on your thought process..

2 Thes 2:15
Hold to the traditions which were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

POPE II: yet he asked people in the marriage he attended to do as his mum wishes? Yet despite the fact that it wasn't yet his time , he obeyed his mum accomplished a miracle .
Your argument doesn't make sense so the same God who asked us to honor our father and mother wasn't honoring his own mother, smh @ your ignorance

So is that a solid backing for the worship of Mary........... Jesus told Peter to feed his flock, why aren't we worshipping Peter now. John was Christ's closest friend why aren't we praying to him to talk to Christ to speak to God.

vickyO:
So is that a solid backing for the worship of Mary........... Jesus told Peter to feed his flock, why aren't we worshipping Peter now. John was Christ's closest friend why aren't we praying to him to talk to Christ to speak to God.

first of voice we don't worship Mary , we honor her, and I don't know for you but we also honor Peter

vickyO:
So is that a solid backing for the worship of Mary........... Jesus told Peter to feed his flock, why aren't we worshipping Peter now. John was Christ's closest friend why aren't we praying to him to talk to Christ to speak to God.

I guess it is is your pastorcrook who defines what's solid or not

vickyO:
thank God you said honour your father and mother. Did Christ tell us to honour His mum or dad?

must he tell you everything?

vickyO:
they didn't die. and the book of revelations speaks about their return. they will die when they return cause death is inevitable. Did the bible record anything about Mary's return. Even Jesus Christ died so who is Mary in the face of death?

you said only divinities ascend, so my question stands
are/were Elijah and enoch divinities? stop beating around the bush

Boomark:

did you ask yourself who he was going to speak to? Is it the whole world? NO

Do you expect Paul to rewrite all that he taught in his letter to the Corinthians, Romans, galatians, Ephesians, Hebrew, timothy, etc, to this people. The revelations he got are in these letters and he knows them so he can teach them orally.

Don't be deceived by those who teach you lawlessness and tell you it is oral tradition. Na who we go ask? I hope i have guided you. You still have the right to continue believing your oral traditions. Na who we go ask?

you don't make sense

Mintayo: Mary ascended to heaven?:/ Loool,i can't stop,this is a new one and it is so funny.

you can help your sister, were/are Elijah, Enoch, Moses divinities?

POPE II: do Catholics pray to God yes or no ?

those who worship amadioha claim they pray to God. Even those who cast out demons in the name of the Lord were rejected. Are you not surprised? If it were you, will you not hurriedly say they pray to God?

What we are telling the catholics is for them to be wise and avoid had i known. Seek the will of God and do it.

POPE II: you don't make sense

I know i caught you unawares cos you have never reasoned to that level.

Let me break down for you though i know breaking down is not even the problem...delusion is at work.

Ok. Assuming Paul is going to Ephesus, he will teach them oral the revelations he wrote in Corinthians, Romans, Hebrew, timothy, etc. What is written in Corinthians is not the same with what is written in Hebrew.

He later adviced that we should not accept any other teaching apart what they were taught both orally and in letters because he knew they now have everything complete and spread across different letters IF NOT, any body can rise up tomorrow, say whatever he want and tell us it is oral tradition. I hope you got it now. No escape route.

Boomark:

I know i caught you unawares cos you have never reasoned to that level.

Let me break down for you though i know breaking down is not even the problem...delusion is at work.

Ok. Assuming Paul is going to Ephesus, he will teach them oral the revelations he wrote in Corinthians, Romans, Hebrew, timothy, etc. What is written in Corinthians is not the same with what is written in Hebrew.

He later adviced that we should not accept any other teaching apart what they were taught both orally and in letters because he knew they now have everything complete and spread across different letters IF NOT, any body can rise up tomorrow, say whatever he want and tell us it is oral tradition. I hope you got it now. No escape route.

that's not the point , the point is do you know all the oral traditions that were transmitted ? what on earth makes you think you know more than us? should I remind you that we are the most serious Church in the world?

POPE II: that's not the point , the point is do you know all the oral traditions that were transmitted ? what on earth makes you think you know more than us? should I remind you that we are the most serious Church in the world?

Hahaha! Is it not very obvious that i know more than you? At least next time you don't quote 2Jn 12 thinking it will help you.

Of course I know you guys are the only church in the world seriously worshipping Mary. I never doubted that.

Do you need oral tradition? See this one. It was handed down to us that, "a sect of people will rise up, drawing so many to themselves and they will depart from worshipping God in spirit and in truth. They will make images and bow to them. They will start counting beads as a form of worship. The glory and praise that belongs to God they will give to a woman. They will call themselves the catholic church. Little children beware of them for you will know them when you see them and do not follow any other teach apart from all that we have taught you both in letters and orally." this one of the oral traditions or are you not aware? SMH!!!

Boomark:



Hahaha! Is it not very obvious that i know more than you? At least next time you don't quote 2Jn 12 thinking it will help you.

Of course I know you guys are the only church in the world seriously worshipping Mary. I never doubted that.

Do you need oral tradition? See this one. It was handed down to us that, "a sect of people will rise up, drawing so many to themselves and they will depart from worshipping God in spirit and in truth. They will make images and bow to them. They will start counting beads as a form of worship. The glory and praise that belongs to God they will give to a woman. They will call themselves the catholic church. Little children beware of them for you will know them when you see them and do not follow any other teach apart from all that we have taught you both in letters and orally." this one of the oral traditions or are you not aware? SMH!!!

How did you pass jamb? Simple english you cannot comprehend

2 Thes 2:15
Hold to the traditions which were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter

Funny people

vickyO:
If it doesn't have a foundation in the scripture it should be declared null and void. cause Paul said if anyone should teach anything apart from the ones that Christ and the apostles have taught, they shouldn't adhere to. test the doctrines bro... is it too difficult for you to understand...... that orally passed doctrine should also be tested, how valid is it when tested with the scriptures?

The issue becomes, how do we draw the borderline between what is considered scripture and what is not.

try69:

What is scripture?

Very important question, let's see wikipedia definition of scripture.




Religious texts, also known as scripture, scriptures, holy writ, or holy books, are the texts which various religious traditions consider to be sacred, or of central importance to their religious tradition. Many religions and spiritual movements believe that their sacred texts are divinely or supernaturally revealed or inspired.

Taking a look at the above definition, you discover that the problem we have on this thread is that of assuming the word bible and scripture can be used interchangeably;which is not right.

Worthy of note is that bible is not the only scripture in existence, if we think that apostle Paul by saying all scripture is inspired, was referring to the bible as we have it today, then we have more challenges than we bargained for.

Boomark:

did you ask yourself who he was going to speak to? Is it the whole world? NO

Do you expect Paul to rewrite all that he taught in his letter to the Corinthians, Romans, galatians, Ephesians, Hebrew, timothy, etc, to this people. The revelations he got are in these letters and he knows them so he can teach them orally.

Don't be deceived by those who teach you lawlessness and tell you it is oral tradition. Na who we go ask? I hope i have guided you. You still have the right to continue believing your oral traditions. Na who we go ask?

The word Paul used in 2thes 2V15 is "we" not "I" signifying he wasn't just referring to his writings and oral teachings but that of the apostles and teachers of their time.

Today, we do not have the teachings of all the apostles in writing but the obvious thing here is they actually taught people( possibly oral traditions).

For instance, Philip went to ethiopia and taught the people, we don't have his letters to them ( if he actually wrote any) but we know he taught then( possibly orally). If this people carry on with his teachings, which are not written, that's oral tradition.

Let me also state that most of the teachings we have in the bible today starting from the old testament, were initially practice as oral tradition.

vickyO:
Was that a rhetorical question? you don't expect me to answer that, do you?

Why not?

Orikinla: [size=18pt]The Woman and the Dragon[/size]

12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.”

13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
Footnotes:

Revelation 12:5 Psalm 2:9


(Revelation 12, Holy Bble, New International Version, NIV).

wow wow wow

You all are the perfect examples of ignoramuses. Simply test your doctrines and see if they conform to biblical standards, is all we are saying. But instead you're trying to make a mountain out of things that barely count, thereby pushing the truth far away from yourselves. See, when you decide to hear and adhere to the truth, it will set you free and break the chains of heretical doctrines holding your minds captive. till you embrace the truth, keep keeping yourselves chained under the doctrines of your church and the words spoken by your "infallible" Pope.

try69:

How did you pass jamb? Simple english you cannot comprehend

2 Thes 2:15
Hold to the traditions which were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter

Funny people

If think you get sense and that you passed your jamb well well, prove to us that this, below, is not an oral tradition.

"A sect of
people will rise up, drawing so
many to themselves and they
will depart from worshipping
God in spirit and in truth. They
will make images and bow to
them. They will start counting
beads as a form of worship.
The glory and praise that
belongs to God they will give
to a woman. They will call
themselves the catholic church.
Little children beware of them
for you will know them when
you see them and do not
follow any other teach apart
from all that we have taught
you both in letters and orally."

*Laughing in Jakarta*

:

Are you infallible and perfect when it comes to interpretation of scripture and teaching faith and morals?

Yes or no?

vickyO: You all are the perfect examples of ignoramuses. Simply test your doctrines and see if they conform to biblical standards, is all we are saying. But instead you're trying to make a mountain out of things that barely count, thereby pushing the truth far away from yourselves. See, when you decide to hear and adhere to the truth, it will set you free and break the chains of heretical doctrines holding your minds captive. till you embrace the truth, keep keeping yourselves chained under the doctrines of your church and the words spoken by your "infallible" Pope.

italo: Are you infallible and perfect when it comes to interpretation of scripture and teaching faith and morals?

Yes or no?

OF course I am, who in the world is perfect..... your pope I guess......
There are some things that are plainly stated in the scriptures that invalidates some doctrines. so if I state a doctrine and test it with the scriptures my results should be infallible.

vickyO:
OF course I am, who in the world is perfect..... your pope I guess......
There are some things that are plainly stated in the scriptures that invalidates some doctrines. so if I state a doctrine and test it with the scriptures my results should be infallible.

Let me get you straight: You can never teach wrong or interpret scripture wrongly?

italo:

Let me get you straight: You can never teach wrong or interpret scripture wrongly?

do you understand my post at all?? I said some things, not all things....