rudedough:

No need to sweat it out anymore. I have uploaded the full text of the story here, just interpret the bible text above you and tell us what vow the father fulfilled. Read the full story above you.

Thanks

JMAN05: [b]

I didnt see anything. meanwhile, I have explained it to you so well for you to understand. unless you have anything else to say.

JMAN05:

And it came about at the end of two months that she made her return to her father, after which he carried out his vow that he had made toward her. As for her, she never had relations with a man. And it came to be a regulation in Israel: 40 From year to year the daughters of Israel would go to give commendation to the daughter of Jeph′thah the Gil′e·ad·ite, four days in the year.

Yes, that statement does not mean that she was sacrificed in terms of burning. why?

1. Jephthah allowed his daughter to go and mourn for her virginity as she requested. the question is: why mourn for her virginity when the issue is about her death? the evidence shows that she is crying cos she wouldn't be getting married. viewing the vow as a sacrifice will be illogical cos she could have wept for her death and not virginity. Her weeping for her virginity shows that the weep concerns the virginity, namely, she remains unmarried; which could have produce a kid had she given it in marriage

2. Study the verse well. after she returned from weeping, the father fulfilled the vow. Note that 'the father fulfilled the vow' after she returned. Now see what the following phrase says...

3. "As for her, she never had relations with a man". did you notice it says "as for her". could this phrase be correct if the vow the Father carried out involved her death? and it also said she never had any relation with any man. Remember that these phrases followed immediately the account told us that the Father carried out the vow.

4." From year to year the daughters of Israel would go to give commendation to the daughter of Jeph′thah the Gil′e·ad·ite, four days in the year".

Did you see what verse 40 says? the daughters of Israel goes to give commendation four days in a year? to who? Daughter of Jephthah. Could this have happened if the vow involved her death?

rudedough: Judges 11:29-40
29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

32 Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the Lord gave them into his hands. 33 He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon.

34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.”

36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the Lord. Do to me just as you promised, now that the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.”

38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

From this comes the Israelite tradition 40 that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.


Com·mem·o·rate

1. recall and show respect for (someone or something) in a ceremony.
"a wreath-laying ceremony to commemorate the war dead"

2 serve as a memorial to.
"a stone commemorating a boy who died at sea"

rudedough: @Joshthefirst I didn't know you are still here. You went quiet since i posted the full text of Jephthah's Daughter being sacrificed to God.

Do you have another lie you want to tell this congregation about Jephthah's daughter? And please explain to us how Jephthah's daughter sacrificed her virginity.

Thanks

Joshthefirst: as I said, even if she was sacrificed as a burnt offering, you cannot blame God.

The bible says that in those days people did what was right in their own eyes.


So what else is the matter? Will you keep making excuses to keep wallowing in your atheism?
Keep basing your worldview on misinterpreted scriptures?


As we have said, God is not just love, he is also judge, he is also a consuming fire, and the wages of sin is death.

There's a free-gift of life though, but the wages of sin is DEATH. I feel you should have that in mind. Yes. God kills in judgement. Those who break his law are condemned.

rationalmind:

Lol, as usual. God is never to be blamed. As platteon once said, God is the greatest escape artist ever known.

Why didn't God prevent him from sacrificing his daughter as in the case of abraham? what does God do with human sacrifices?

You should honestly bury your head in shame

OlaoChi:

A better reply than the one from Joshthefirst.
But then going by this Christian brethren are required to help their members, how often fo you help your members?

rudedough:

[b]Your problem is you hoard too much emotional attachment to God that you have turned a blind eye to the truth. What was the bragging for? Did Satan ask him. "Have you considered my servant Satan"? Consider him for what? Was he looking for a job.

When Satan criticized he authorized Satan to do his worse just to proof his ego. Doesn't this God act childish sometimes? Put your servant to sufferings just to feed your ego. Would you blame a man that was challenge to this type of contest for "Doing the needful" to proof his criticism?

Satan was so bad and he's having a meeting with God. So the Devil knows where God lives and visits him at will and they have friendly conversations? They didn't tell us that in Church

Yes Satan is a Saint compared to God. If he wasn't challenged to do his worse to proof Job won't curse God, he wouldn't have. Satan only came to say Hello but your God was a proud bragging e-diot who cannot even protect the ones who have been good to him but give them up to his over bloated pride to suffer for no just reason.

Did God give Satan the instruction to do his worse to Job or not? If YES!! then who's to be blamed? Satan and God?

Now where did Satan kill, destroy and lie? Please show me in the bible. If you cannot show me these 3 things, then the joke is on you my friend.[/b]

Joshthefirst: nope. God is faithful. God does not accept all sacrifices. God is never to be blamed. He fulfills his word. God is not an escape artist because he has not done anything wrong. I wonder the kind of mind you have then, or the image of a God you have, that is faulty and can even be put trial and ignored by his creation. That is impotent thinking. God has given us his true image, If you don't believe him, that is your concern. I have shown you where the bible says people did as they saw fit, keep looking for pathetic and petty excuses to continue in wrong-doing and rebellion.


And stop being a pathetic and come out and speak for yourself instead of jumping up and down cheering from the sidelines.

rationalmind: Lol, like how Achan committed an offence only for
his wife and children to be killed with him.

The precedence: God had decreed whoever
committed such offence will have to die and all his
properties confiscated.

You people are jokers. How you manage to read
such verses without cringing and burying your
head in shame is beyond me.

When does a wife start becoming the property of
the husband? And how about the children?

How about the rationality in killing someone for the
offence of another.

How about you being killed for the offence of your
father?

Let me guess you peoples answer.
1.I'm mere human, I can't question the ways of
God.

2.It wasn't the dispensation of grace

3.I don't understand the bible

4.Its an allegory

5.Wives are truly properties of their husbands

One word for you people, JOKERS

Joshthefirst: as I said, even if she was sacrificed as a burnt offering, you cannot blame God.

Just now you said Jephthah's daughter wasn't sacrificed that she sacrificed her virginity, but now that the truth has come to light, you are saying she was sacrificed but wasn't not God's fault. Are Christians truly honorable? Do they practice the truth they preach? This is how 2 faced Christians are, they can never stand on their word. Cowardly lying about the obvious.

I thought you and @truthislight said God does not accept human sacrifices. When i told you guys that you haven't read your bible, you thought i was being proud. Is Jephthah's daughter not a human sacrifice?

Like Isaac, Jephthah's daughter was his only child. So God can let a man kill his only child and burn her for God to enjoy the aroma of her burnt flesh and leave the man Childless. Too bad!!!

Na wa for this kind religion oo.. Tomorrow you will see them walking about with their bible, trying to convince innocent people to join them serve their blood thirsty cannibalistic God. A God who like Okija demands and accepts fowl, and human sacrifices.

I still haven't seen anyone who have read the bible and still remain a Christian. If there is show me, but 90% of Atheists became Atheists after reading the bible. I challenge Christians to read their bible and remain Christians after.

Joshthefirst: And here is further interpretation showing Jephthah might not have actually sacrificed his daughter....


It is largely argued that Jephthah was saying that if an animal came out first, it will be offered as a burnt offering, and if a human came out first, he/she will be dedicated to God]

rationalmind:

What is wrong with you? I have raised arguments no less than 10 times on this thread alone. What do you mean by me coming out to speak for myself?
Were you blind when I said this



How about the countless others? You must be wilfully blind to imply I don't speak for myself.

And as for your response, its nonsense as usual. God doesn't accept all sacrifices but he accepts some like he accepted jephtahs daughter.

Like I said initially, you should bury your head in shame

rationalmind: The argument of drum about the dispensation of
grace falls flat as it makes God appear like a dunce
which I believe he isn't if at all he exists.
If the period where grace was absent was that
good, and Gods method of dishing out outright
punishment was awesome, why the need for the
period of grace? He could had continued with the
carrot and stick approach.
The argument paints a picture of God, who realises
his mistake and barbarity only to replace it with a
period of grace.

Mr Troll:

Anything to excuse Yahweh. Hilarious I tell ya.

rudedough:

[b] Just now you said Jephthah's daughter wasn't sacrificed that she sacrificed her virginity, but now that the truth has come to light, you are saying she was sacrificed but wasn't not God's fault. Are Christians truly honorable? Do they practice the truth they preach? This is how 2 faced Christians are, they can never stand on their word. Cowardly lying about the obvious.

I thought you and @truthislight said God does not accept human sacrifices. When i told you guys that you haven't read your bible, you thought i was being proud. Is Jephthah's daughter not a human sacrifice?

Like Isaac, Jephthah's daughter was his only child. So God can let a man kill his only child and burn her for God to enjoy the aroma of her burnt flesh and leave the man Childless. Too bad!!!

Na wa for this kind religion oo.. Tomorrow you will see them walking about with their bible, trying to convince innocent people to join them serve their blood thirsty cannibalistic God. A God who like Okija demands and accepts fowl, and human sacrifices.

I still haven't seen anyone who have read the bible and still remain a Christian. If there is show me, but 90% of Atheists became Atheists after reading the bible. I challenge Christians to read their bible and remain Christians after.[/b]

Joshthefirst: Yes. God kills in judgement. Those who break his law are condemned.

Joshthefirst: who says God accepted jephthahs's sacrifice? Why will you always lie to yourself and others in a blind bid to discredit God, falling on your face and embarrasing yourself in the process?

Are you one of those men who will also say that God accepted incest and fornication because it is recorded that lots daughters slept with him in the bible?

God does somethings "inspite" of our wrongdoing.(And it is not yet settled that jephthah sacrificed his daughter mind you).




And I do not claim to have all the answers and know all the scriptures, but I believe God anyway. I know whom I serve. I know he is faithful and has integrity. Simple. What you say will not change anything. No amount of you twisting and misinterpreting the bible will change anything. I mostly even debate with you so others will see behind the delusions you present and avoid them.

rudedough:

No need to sweat it out anymore. I have uploaded the full text of the story here, just interpret the bible text above you and tell us what vow the father fulfilled. Read the full story above you.

Thanks

rudedough:

Why are you trying too hard to be re.tarded? Read what you wrote again and see how funny you sound.

You quoted where God killed an innocent girl for sacrifice and you are talking about "God kills in judgement. Those who break his law are condemned" What is inside this your coconut head? Wa se eleyi wa alright?

What was the sins of Jephthah's daughter to be killed for sacrifice? I thought you said God does not accept human sacrifices. But non-the-less tell us the sins of Jephthah's daughter.

rationalmind:

If he didn't accept the sacrifice, why not prevent Jephthah from sacrificing his daughter?

Lol, so it was double tragedy for Jephthah, he lost his daughter and yahweh didn't accept the sacrifice.

Lol, you debate with me so others will see the delusions. Which delusions have you ever shown? When? Where? How?

Mr Troll:

Double wahala for deady body, and the owner of deady body!

Joshthefirst: And here is further interpretation showing Jephthah might not have actually sacrificed his daughter. God was publicly against human sacrifice in israel, it was one of their laws.

Judges 11:31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.


It is largely argued that Jephthah was saying that if an animal came out first, it will be offered as a burnt offering, and if a human came out first, he/she will be dedicated to God.

Judges 11:39 39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man.

God does not accept human sacrifices ke. I have so far presented 4 places where he accepted human sacrifices just today. Last time i presented 2 to @Drummerboy, if i continue i can present up to 18 places in your bible where God accepted human sacrifices.

Stop hand picking verses, i have posted the whole story above and everyone has read it. You can't lie about it anymore and you are not doing yourself any good but making yourself look like a fo.ol. Think for yourself man, think.

(If say i dey near you now, the kind slap wey i for lace ontop your bald head now ehh The yeye head go correct)

Na so you mumu reach? See all your Christian brothers don agree say God use am do Sacrifice only you still dey argue.

rationalmind:

If he didn't accept the sacrifice, why not prevent Jephthah from sacrificing his daughter?

Lol, so it was double tragedy for Jephthah, he lost his daughter and yahweh didn't accept the sacrifice.

Lol, you debate with me so others will see the delusions. Which delusions have you ever shown? When? Where? How?

rudedough:

You lack the knowledge of who an Atheist is, you should get some help from the English dictionary friend. You rant too much without facts.

rudedough:

God does not accept human sacrifices ke. I have so far presented 4 places where he accepted human sacrifices just today. Last time i presented 2 to @Drummerboy, if i continue i can present up to 18 places in your bible where God accepted human sacrifices.

Stop hand picking verses, i have posted the whole story above and everyone has read it. You can't lie about it anymore and you are not doing yourself any good but making yourself look like a fo.ol. Think for yourself man, think.

(If say i dey near you now, the kind slap wey i for lace ontop your bald head now ehh The yeye head go correct)

Na so you mumu reach? See all your Christian brothers don agree say God use am do Sacrifice only you still dey argue.

Joshthefirst: as I said, you can choose to believe what you want to believe. God did not order jephthah to kill his daughter.
If jephthah killed his daughter, I do not know if or why God did not warn him[b](who knows if he did but he was ignored?)
[/b]

Jephthah might not have even sacrificed his daughter in the first place.

Delusions of grandeur: God does not exist, God is evil, God can be put on trial , etc, etc.

rationalmind:

Lol, I really wished these guys know how they sound. Maybe they tell someone to read their messages to them before posting.

Don't be surprised, one of them may come to say yahweh didn't want to interfere with the freewill of Jephthah.

But somehow, he interfered with the freewill of Abraham.

The level of intellectual dishonesty these guys are ready to go just to defend yahweh baffles me

truthislight:

Some how, when i ask you question, have you notice you have no answers ?

If Herod was not an atheist, who did he worshiped ?

Ah! You will dodge!

What has he to do with killing young children ?

Keep dancing.

Keep denying to shield your master

rationalmind:

Lol @ bold. See?

Platteon was absolutely right. God is the greatest escape artist ever known. He is never at fault

Joshthefirst: who says God accepted jephthahs's sacrifice? Why will you always lie to yourself and others in a blind bid to discredit God, falling on your face and embarrasing yourself in the process?

Are you one of those men who will also say that God accepted incest and fornication because it is recorded that lots daughters slept with him in the bible?

God does somethings "inspite" of our wrongdoing.(And it is not yet settled that jephthah sacrificed his daughter mind you).

And I do not claim to have all the answers and know all the scriptures, but I believe God anyway. I know whom I serve. I know he is faithful and has integrity. Simple. What you say will not change anything. No amount of you twisting and misinterpreting the bible will change anything. I mostly even debate with you so others will see behind the delusions you present and avoid them.