rudedough:

[b] Of course, your God accepts "LIFE" human sacrifices.

** Here God is sending his servants to attack an innocent city, kill everyone in it and sacrifice their bodies to him as burnt offering.

Deuteronomy 13:15-18
15 You must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. 16 Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God

The Lord your God will be merciful only if you listen to his voice and keep all his commands that I am giving you today, doing what pleases him.

And here again they are appeasing the Lord with 7 "LIFE" human sacrifices.

2 Samuel 21:1-14
There was a famine during David’s reign that lasted for three years, so David asked the Lord about it..... Let seven of his male descendants be given to us to be killed and their bodies exposed before the Lord at Gibeah of Saul—the Lord’s chosen one.”

...He handed them over to the Gibeonites, who killed them and exposed their bodies on a hill before the Lord. All seven of them died together; they were put to death during the first days of the harvest, just as the barley harvest was beginning....After that, God ended the famine in the land.

If you want more "LIFE" human sacrifice just type YES!!! and i will make your acquaintance. I am at your service tonight. [/b]

JMAN05:

Jehovah is here given the israelites instruction of what to do when any city choose to serve another god except Him in the land of Cannan to which they are going to possess. verses 12-13. they were to destroy that city and its inhabitants. they were to burn the spoils of the city. Note that they were not going to burn human/animal inhabitants in the open square but just the spoils. ie after killing/destroying the humans, all other material assets in the city and the city itself is to burn. the spoils are not humans, but the materials in the city.

"you should without fail strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword. Devote it and everything that is in it, and its domestic animals, to destruction at the edge of the sword."

When someone does what is wrong, it is always the law to kill him, though depending on the error. so this situation is no difference.

Oga, what will substantiate your claim is when God include in His law the sacrifice of humans to please him. ie, humans who did nothing, but who are demanded to die cos God accepts human sacrifice, just like an animal does nothing, but God demands that they be killed to appease Him for the sake of humans.

If God accepts human sacrifice, He will include it in His law. This is different when God demands the killing of people when they violates His commandment to which they vow to keep or to which he gave them. Atimes God holds all of them responsible because He views them as a dedicated nation.

Thats the point here. Am I right?

I didnt find the information you meant form that verse. but the above will also help here.

Firstly, you have been avoiding my question.

rudedough: Are you for real? shocked shocked You mean Jephthah's daughter was not SACRIFICED? Please clarify

Secondly, i don't know the bible you have been reading cos your interpretation seem to be "spiritual" .

Please post Deuteronomy 13:15-18 in full on here, let's see if you're truly carrying the bible or some bible magazine.

You seem to forget that those people were in their own land, happy living their lives until God send his people the Israelite to attack them and steal their land. But anyway, just answer my question on Jephthah's daughter and post the full text of Deuteronomy 13:15-18 FROM YOUR OWN BIBLE so that NLers can translate it in their own ways.

rudedough:

You know people like you talk too much without facts. We know about God through the bible, so did we know about Jesus and Moses and Joseph and every character in the bible. We also learnt about SATAN / DEVIL / LUCIFER from the bible.

I am ignorant, agreed but just show me where SATAN / DEVIL / LUCIFER killed, lied or destroyed anything. Make me look stupid before Nairaland please.

truthislight:

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Does Job fear God for nothing ? Has not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy very face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD." (Job 1:8-12). (to do what ?)

to do this below ?

"And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them: And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother’s house: "And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only i escaped alone to tell thee." (Job 1:14-19).

^^^ yeah right ? Satan kills no one, but Yahweh knows better.

who do you think is responsible for all those ?

See who is behind all those death and destructions:

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown." (Job 2:6-7).
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What an innocent Satan!

But for the fact that Yahweh had ask him not to kill Job, what do you think he would have done ? Smh.

The most disgusting character i have ever hear about is Satan himself, is that the way to talk to ones creator ? :

"But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and se if he will not curse you to thy very face." (Job 2:5).
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Keep deluding yourself and let satan play on you as a pun while you keep deluding yourself that you are in control.

The person in an effort to turn Job against Yahweh had to kill all his children and his lives stock and all his properties, he destroyed, even went ahead to strick him with a terrible sickness all to make him turn against Yahweh. smh. You are here praising because your ignorance is not letting you to see it.

In an effort to get the massaiah kill when he was born, satan through Herod got all children of two years and above killed in Judeah and you cant see it since he is a saint.

Your own case is a finish case in his pocket.

He is definitely the ruler of this world and we can see how well his rulership is.

truthislight:
In an effort to get the massaiah kill when he was born, satan through Herod got all children of two years and above killed in Judeah and you cant see it since he is a saint.

rudedough:

Well, you have already given the classic answer before i even presented my facts.

So we are now properties of God and whenever he wants to kill us and we don't like it, it's unjust to God.

Alright, i give up.

truthislight:

Though he owns all things, he is a God of justice.

Yahweh does not kill innocent people.

rudedough:

[b]Read the bible with an open mind bro. There's no need to try to label the Devil as bad and evil, let the truth previal here.

Job was a man who sacrificed to God and hold feast every year for his Children.

Job 1:5-6
When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would make arrangements for them to be purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom. One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

And God started bragging about his servant Job.

Job 1:8
Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

And Satan said, "Na lie jor, because you don bless am, suffer never touch am, if suffer wipe him belle him go curse you, abeg leave that thing God"

Job 1:9-11
“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

God come proudly say oya go do your worse make we see.

Job 1:12
The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

So Satan put Job to the test under God's instructions.

Now tell me, how did Satan sin? No be God dey go brag? Dey go form one thing for where Satan dey. If na me i go do worse cos i must wan prove am wrong. So where did Satan sin here, please tell me.[/b]

rudedough:
If na me i go do worse cos i must wan prove am wrong.

rudedough: @JMAN05 I've seen you lording around this thread for a long time now.

Please answer my question. The question will not answer itself or magically disappear.

Was Jephthah's daughter SACRIFICED to God or not? Please clarify

rudedough:

Are you for real? You mean Jephthah's daughter was not SACRIFICED? Please clarify

rudedough:

Firstly, you have been avoiding my question.



Secondly, i don't know the bible you have been reading cos your interpretation seem to be "spiritual" .

Please post Deuteronomy 13:15-18 in full on here, let's see if you're truly carrying the bible or some bible magazine.

You seem to forget that those people were in their own land, happy living their lives until God send his people the Israelite to attack them and steal their land. But anyway, just answer my question on Jephthah's daughter and post the full text of Deuteronomy 13:15-18 FROM YOUR OWN BIBLE so that NLers can translate it in their own ways.

rudedough:

Bro are you joking or you're serious with this nonsense. Has religion really made you this dumb that you don't think before you talk anymore? How did Satan through Herod kill children.

Mehn wahala dey ooo

truthislight:

Hehehehe, lol.(lauphing out loud).

This below made me laugh.



Now, tell me, is it a crime for a father to be proud of what his ward/son does ?

Please, answer that ^ first.

The same thing Yahweh did with Jesus, celebrated him for standing up against his enemy satan.

See here:

"My son, be wise, and make my heart glad, that I may answer him that reproacheth me." (Proverbs 27:11).
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Well, Satan hatred for Yahweh is so large that he will swallow up anybody that stands on his way.

But when Yahweh takes appropriate measures to counter the threat posed by this Satan, you cry foul!

Well, some of us knows better.

"And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all what a man has will he give for his life. But put forth your hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and see if he will not curse you to your very face." (Job 2:4-5).
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Hehehehe, we know better, see what plans he satan have for you, are you not a man ?

He said if he tempts you, you will curse Yahweh, na lie ? Have you not ?
Well, not all of us wish to be like you.

BTW, i thought Satan was a saint ? He does no wrong ?

Keep deceiving yourself.

When Yahweh will deal with satan, be ready to stand up to defend him.

I wish you well in your endeavour and fight against Yahweh.

I also hope that Satan will reward you with enternal life.

Peace.

Your problem is you hoard too much emotional attachment to God that you have turned a blind eye to the truth. What was the bragging for? Did Satan ask him. "Have you considered my servant Satan"? Consider him for what? Was he looking for a job.

When Satan criticized he authorized Satan to do his worse just to proof his ego. Doesn't this God act childish sometimes? Put your servant to sufferings just to feed your ego. Would you blame a man that was challenge to this type of contest for "Doing the needful" to proof his criticism?

Satan was so bad and he's having a meeting with God. So the Devil knows where God lives and visits him at will and they have friendly conversations? They didn't tell us that in Church

Yes Satan is a Saint compared to God. If he wasn't challenged to do his worse to proof Job won't curse God, he wouldn't have. Satan only came to say Hello but your God was a proud bragging e-diot who cannot even protect the ones who have been good to him but give them up to his over bloated pride to suffer for no just reason.

Did God give Satan the instruction to do his worse to Job or not? If YES!! then who's to be blamed? Satan and God?

Now where did Satan kill, destroy and lie? Please show me in the bible. If you cannot show me these 3 things, then the joke is on you my friend.

Joshthefirst: jephthah's daughter sacrificed her virginity. She was a virgin all her life. She wasn't killed.

Judges 11:37  And she said to her father, Let this thing be done for me; let me alone two months, that I may go and wander upon the mountains and bewail my virginity, I and my companions. 38  And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months, and she went with her companions and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39  At the end of two months she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed. She never mated with a man. This became a custom in Israel--

But even if she was sacrificed, blaming God for that will be biased and hypocritical.
The bible says that in those days of judges, there was no king and everyone did what was right in his eyes.

I see to what extent Christians will lie, twist and fight to the death to protect their fairy tales. I don't have to argue, i'll just post the entire script here for everyone to read and interpret to their understanding. Let's see who's the liar between Atheists and Christians.

She wasn't killed right? She only sacrificed her virginity. Ok here is the full text from the bible. NLers please read about God.


Judges 11:29-40
29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

32 Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the Lord gave them into his hands. 33 He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon.

34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.”

36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the Lord. Do to me just as you promised, now that the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.”

38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

From this comes the Israelite tradition 40 that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.

JMAN05:

And it came about at the end of two months that she made her return to her father, after which he carried out his vow that he had made toward her. As for her, she never had relations with a man. And it came to be a regulation in Israel: 40 From year to year the daughters of Israel would go to give commendation to the daughter of Jeph′thah the Gil′e·ad·ite, four days in the year.

Yes, that statement does not mean that she was sacrificed in terms of burning. why?

1. Jephthah allowed his daughter to go and mourn for her virginity as she requested. the question is: why mourn for her virginity when the issue is about her death? the evidence shows that she is crying cos she wouldn't be getting married. viewing the vow as a sacrifice will be illogical cos she could have wept for her death and not virginity. Her weeping for her virginity shows that the weep concerns the virginity, namely, she remains unmarried; which could have produce a kid had she given it in marriage

2. Study the verse well. after she returned from weeping, the father fulfilled the vow. Note that 'the father fulfilled the vow' after she returned. Now see what the following phrase says...

3. "As for her, she never had relations with a man". did you notice it says "as for her". could this phrase be correct if the vow the Father carried out involved her death? and it also said she never had any relation with any man. Remember that these phrases followed immediately the account told us that the Father carried out the vow.

4." From year to year the daughters of Israel would go to give commendation to the daughter of Jeph′thah the Gil′e·ad·ite, four days in the year".

Did you see what verse 40 says? the daughters of Israel goes to give commendation four days in a year? to who? Daughter of Jephthah. Could this have happened if the vow involved her death?

truthislight:

Yeah! I forgot, Herod was a worshiper of Yahweh. Right!

No, Herod was an atheist. Yap!

DrummaBoy:

I had thought this sentiments will be expressed on the thread.

But I wish to make it clear even from the onset that my belief in Jesus Christ is way beyond "reason" or "faith". I know the man - the man Christ, and my life mission is to make him known.

I however believe in reason, as Christ is Wisdom himself and He makes perfect sense. I believe that in my interaction with men, I can bring them to understand the Lord; and that itself is the conversion we are talking about.

And I believe in faith. Trusting without seeing. I see that when you understand, you still may not comprehend all that is about God; like most of us Theist. So, that little bit is what faith takes care of. We believe in God and his Holy Son Jesus Christ!

Oops sorry O, I think I have started the chat even in the absence of my friend, rudedough.

Joshthefirst: if prayers are not answered, then there's a relationship problem between the christian and God.

And what do you mean "sitting up and finding solutions"? Do you think he has been sitting down all that time doing nothing? Why do you think that praying to God to fulfill needs entails being lazy?

You must understand that there are problems that we have no solutions to. That's when we look to God. Stop being biased in your thinking.

DrummaBoy:

I had thought this sentiments will be expressed on the thread.

But I wish to make it clear even from the onset that my belief in Jesus Christ is way beyond "reason" or "faith". I know the man - the man Christ, and my life mission is to make him known.

I however believe in reason, as Christ is Wisdom himself and He makes perfect sense. I believe that in my interaction with men, I can bring them to understand the Lord; and that itself is the conversion we are talking about.

And I believe in faith. Trusting without seeing. I see that when you understand, you still may not comprehend all that is about God; like most of us Theist. So, that little bit is what faith takes care of. We believe in God and his Holy Son Jesus Christ!

Oops sorry O, I think I have started the chat even in the absence of my friend, rudedough.

truthislight:

What kind of conditional debate is this sef ?

I dont need to promised you anything, but rether, i promised to show you what the reasons are for Yahweh's actions.

If you are ask not to do with your property the way you wish, will you be happy ? Is it just ?

There is no such thing like Yahweh killing people for their blood, no such thing.

He owns the life and lacks nothing.

He accepted blood sacrifices(animals) from the Jews to show them that they are unclean and needed forgiveness of sin so that they can relate with what the Messaiah will later do.

But for such examples, we will not have come to know the significance of sin and forgiveness of sin from Yahweh to be in good relationship with him

Ranchhoddas: From the full verses that rudedough has quoted...it is very obvious that jepthah's daughter was sacrificed.you guys should stop trying to twist things pls.

JMAN05:

Jehovah is here given the israelites instruction of what to do when any city choose to serve another god except Him in the land of Cannan to which they are going to possess. verses 12-13. they were to destroy that city and its inhabitants. they were to burn the spoils of the city. Note that they were not going to burn human/animal inhabitants in the open square but just the spoils. ie after killing/destroying the humans, all other material assets in the city and the city itself is to burn. the spoils are not humans, but the materials in the city.

"you should without fail strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword. Devote it and everything that is in it, and its domestic animals, to destruction at the edge of the sword."

When someone does what is wrong, it is always the law to kill him, though depending on the error. so this situation is no difference.

Oga, what will substantiate your claim is when God include in His law the sacrifice of humans to please him. ie, humans who did nothing, but who are demanded to die cos God accepts human sacrifice, just like an animal does nothing, but God demands that they be killed to appease Him for the sake of humans.

If God accepts human sacrifice, He will include it in His law. This is different when God demands the killing of people when they violates His commandment to which they vow to keep or to which he gave them. Atimes God holds all of them responsible because He views them as a dedicated nation.



the above will also help here.

rudedough:

[b]Read the bible with an open mind bro. There's no need to try to label the Devil as bad and evil, let the truth previal here.

Job was a man who sacrificed to God and hold feast every year for his Children.

Job 1:5-6
When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would make arrangements for them to be purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom. One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

And God started bragging about his servant Job.

Job 1:8
Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

And Satan said, "Na lie jor, because you don bless am, suffer never touch am, if suffer wipe him belle him go curse you, abeg leave that thing God"

Job 1:9-11
“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

God come proudly say oya go do your worse make we see.

Job 1:12
The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

So Satan put Job to the test under God's instructions.

Now tell me, how did Satan sin? No be God dey go brag? Dey go form one thing for where Satan dey. If na me i go do worse cos i must wan prove am wrong. So where did Satan sin here, please tell me.[/b]

rudedough:

Dude we are not stu.pid here so please stop taking us back and forth. If you want to write, write in context and present your facts straight up, there is no need to write many things at a time. Let's take it one at a time please.

On the bolded, all the little Children and unborn babies God killed in the bible, what were their crimes if God does not kill innocent people?

Now this discuss is going back and forth cos we have discussed this part earlier already.

Please explain to NLers what the sins of these Children were to be slayed by the sword.

DrummaBoy: [size=20pt]Rudedough is not an Atheist[/size]

He is just an individual that is unhappy with God because God killed infants in the Old Testament and because God is blood thirsty.

Rudedough should better be known as a satanist because while he has not ceazed to blashpeme God from page 0 of this thread; he sees no evil in Satan.

Now to the question of if Satan has any record of doing evil in scriptures. Like someone said you will find very few instances of these in scripture because the bible is a record of God; it is His-story its talks about not Satan. Because the devil inherently speaks through men and never comes by himself. The bible records him as an angel of light.

1. When he appeared first in scriptures he came as a serpent and came to tell a lie. He is a liar and Christ confirms this:

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. [size=16pt]He was a murderer[/size] from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it - John 8:44

Remember I told you Christians are dogmatic; we believe in dogma. Jesus said it; we believe it; it doesn't matter what you think about it.

Jesus says Satan is a liar.

Jesus says Satan is the father of liars.

Jesus says Satan is a murderer. So just as he came in the form of the serpent to lie, it is safe to say he came into Cain and killed Abel. Consider this scenerio:

26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 27 [size=16pt]And after the sop Satan entered into him[/size]. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. 28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him - John 13

So Jesus was eventually crucified but who instigated it: Satan through his vessel Judas. Hear Paul:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory 1 Cor 2

Princes of this world can very well mean rulers of this world like Pilate who crucified Jesus. But we know that Satan is the prince of this world:

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me - John 14

Please note thus far that I have resorted mostly to the New Testament to show how evil the devil is. One last scripture:

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it - Colosians 2

The joy of the Christian life is not about God being blood thirsty. The joy of the Christian life is that God commended love to all humanity that we were yet sinners Christ died for us. If while we were sinners, God could do this for us; how much more when we are sons shall we have access to abundance of life. The work of Jesus on the cross was to triumph over principalities and power - over the devil (Read Ephesian 6) and he gave us full victory.

You can be part of that victory party, rude, if you will let go of your high horse and extreme intelligence that betray wordly and carnal knowledge, to embrace the love of a Father. It is love that told the Old Testament stories, including the ones that portray him blood thirsty. Do you think if God was as wicked and stupid as you paint him, he would do those things and leave a record of them in scripture? It is because he is not a liar. It is the liar, the devil, that ensure that all his tracks are covered through men's evil, while he comes to you as an angel of light.

Forget it Rude, you are not an atheist; you believe in God, you are simply upset with him. However, I trust that the light of the glory of the gospel will shine on you still and you will understand with time.

Cheers.

On page 0, i gave an account of my life in Christendom and Islam. I made it very clear that i withdrew myself from religion after studying the bible and qur'an myself and discovering all the killings, immoralities, genocides, ra.pe, torture, slavery, prostitution that God encourage. Unlike the teachings in Church where they make God look too good and hide the truth about God. So i am an Atheist and i have been an Atheist for many years.

People don't just become Atheists, they become Atheists after studying the bible and discovering the truth about religion. Try reading your bible yourself and see if you won't be an Atheist after. I challenge you.

Now all you have been saying about the Devil is: "Jesus Said", "Jesus Said", "Jesus Said". Show me in the bible where Satan commited those crimes you Christians accuse him of. If you cannot find any, how then did you come about him being an "evil spirit"?

Show me where Satan who every Christian destroys in their prayers killed, destroyed even a glass cup or stole or even lied.

You mentioned that "he came as a serpent and came to tell a lie." Actually you're the one lying here. Let's look at the bible.

Genesis 3:4
You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Now when Eve and Adam ate the apple:

Did they die? NO THEY LIVED!! So Satan was truthful

Did their eyes open? YES THEIR EYES OPENED AND THEY REALIZED THEY WERE NA.KED!! Satan was truthful again

Did they know good and evil? YES THEY DID COS THEY WERE ASHAMED AND HIDE THEMSELVES. Again Satan was truthful.

So @DrummaBoy please explain to NLers how Satan lied in Genesis 3.

truthislight:

Yeah! I forgot, Herod was a worshiper of Yahweh. Right!

No, Herod was an atheist. Yap!

Ok, he had wise men, they know about the Messaiah.

Yes, the men from the east where woshipers of Yahweh. No ?

I thought that it was only the Jews that Yahweh revealed himself to .

Was it not a crime to get involed inastrology in Israel ? Yes it was, so, we can conclude that The astrologers(the 3wise men from the east) were not from Yahweh, else they would not have mised the location of the son to meet Herod.

If Yahweh was guiding them, why will Yahweh send an Angel to warn them not to go back to herod ?

If herod was not an atheist, who was he worshiping ?

If the 3wise men were not sent by Yahweh, who sent them > satan ofcours!

The eastern people worship other gods.

This gods leading the 3wisemen knew what Herod will do, and he did just that, but for Yahweh intervention, the enemy of the son(Jesus) would have gotten him kill.

That long am of Satan to kill the Messaiah, is what Yahweh has been ensuring to keep satan away from the nation of Israel for all along.

Had Satan had an inroad in Israel, how easy it would have been for Satan to get Jesus killed.

For you @Rudedough.

Keep on thinking you are wise, pride goes befor a fall.

Those that are not humble and can see all this reality in the world and still say "there is NO GOD", are the most proud people, for they over estimated their self intelligence > PRIDE.

OlaoChi:

In conclusion, Satan was being obedient to God's instruction
Job made us understand that satan does nothing without the instruction of God

Exactly, who would believe that God and Satan meets to have a friendly conversation from time to time like this one. Maybe they had this conversation during tea time.

God: Mehn Satan, you don check out that my servant Job. That man na correct man

Satan: Guy relax, which correct man? Because you bless am. Leave that thing jor, if you take all these things from am him go curse you jare. Na today?

God: Guy i dey tell you say this man na correct man, him no fit curse me lai lai.

(Satan and God engages in a strong friendly argument about Job + small small jabbing and laughs every now and then)

God: Ok everything dey your hand, do am anything you want make we see if him go curse me.

Satan: Ok make we see. Bet am him go curse you. (Satan walks away)

That's a typical scenario i pictured about that chapter.

OlaoChi:
Am just speaking rationally, the worlds wealthiest people are irreligious and don't subscribe to 'my God is Jehovah'
While the Jesus people are mostly sitting doing nothing but prayers.

Let me ask you what relationship does bill gates or Carlos slim have with Jesus or Bible God?

Like seriously, isn't it better to sit up and increase your efforts in work instead of harboring hopeless hope