rationalmind:

This is pathetic. I'm not here to defend rudedoughs arguments. He should defend arguments he raised. I'm here to state my own arguments and if you have no answers, quietly walk away and stop saying its nonsense.

rapture_ready:

Here's your answer below...




Link below

www.nairaland.com/1488613/questions-atheists/1


Who's the liar now?

truthislight:

Ooh sharrap!

You have been dancing all along and as such, the least you can do is stand up for it...

It is not just to copy and pest but to give the full gist of what led to it.


I will explain and also give an example.

One mr Dehomer will post that Yahweh commanded that infants should be killed and also pregnant women etc, but he ignores that Yahweh Justice demanded that the Amalekites be payed in their own coins just as the Amalekites had done to the sons of Israel at Nephidim. Killing innocent sons of Israel unprovoked on their way out of Egypt.

That someone is devoid of justice or Ignorant of the facts does not make his accussations right.

So, you now, if you are to post an incidence, be ready to present the full story and if you ignore or are ignorant of certain facts and went ahead to post incomplete imformation, since you are here not to learn but to accused, i will tell you your life history(no offence, i will), so that you will learn how not to peddle lies.

So, my friend, you are welcome to tell Yahweh what he does not know.

rationalmind:

You are truly the liar.

Where is the science logicboy called pseudo-science?

Didn't you claim there is a creator behind the ball of matter that started the big-bang? Is that what you call science?

Smh

rudedough:

Bro leave that guy alone. If you read what he has been written, even without any diagnosis, you would know he takes hard drugs.

You better use your time to play SimCity 4 like I am doing right now than waste it on a crackhead.

truthislight: For all those statement, you will also give the full bible story on how things got to that point in time and answer some other questions.

Since you have decided to use the bible to you will also realistically consider the incidence from the start of the book.

1. What was the Origine of things and what parties where involved and how did it turn out ?

2. What were their interest and positions on things.

3. What was Yahweh's reaction and what did Yahweh do ?

4. Who are the nation of Israel and how did they come to be and on what basis/purposed ?

5. Why did Yahweh build the nation of Israel and what was the target of Yahweh and what/who stands against those objectives of Yahweh from being realised according to the bible ?

6. Who was the God every other Nation On earth worshiped except Israel and why was it sow ? Does the bible say that every nation have their own God ?

7. when did it becomes possible that other nations beside Israel came to know Yahweh ?

8. The king in the Bible that offered up his first born son in an alter during a battle, was it to Yahweh or another God of his Nation ?
Why do you arrive at your conclussion ?

9. Is there evidence in the bible that Yahweh can fortell the future and how does that affact what is recorded in the bible ? (prophesy).

10. If you have a property that is not serving your purpose, are you justified in doing with it as you chosed ?
Is it good if someone is to stop you from destroying your property if you have decided to do so ?

Please, this simple questions for you my learned teacher is aim at doing justice to the discussion since the bible is the issue here and Yahweh is on trial by you, so, justice demand that you leave no stone untouched as to ensure that the truth and nothing but the trusth is arrive at. > facts should be the hallmark.

Emotions blinds one to reality, hence, appeal to it is sentimental.

What kind of questions are these? Eleyi ti ya werey oo

rudedough:

Pastor I quoted the verses there, why don't you just read it yourself. Which kind wahala be this ni tori olohun.

rationalmind:

Are you alright? I challenge you to back up your claim that I copied and pasted. What is wrong with you?

I stopped reading your message at the bolded. When you provide evidence that I actually copied and pasted, we will proceed from there.

Bunch of liars

rudedough:

Bro leave that guy alone. If you read what he has been written, even without any diagnosis, you would know he takes hard drugs.

You better use your time to play SimCity 4 like I am doing right now than waste it on a crackhead.

rudedough: truthislight must be new here. He doesn't know that his God demands and accepts human sacrifices

He still thinks God kills only people who commit sins. By the time we take you through the journey of truth, you go relax.

shdemidemi:

What exactly is a testament? Can you have a New Testament without the death of a testator?

Mr Troll: So when exactly did the old testament start?

Pls truthislight ignore the question.

rationalmind:

You are truly the liar.

Where is the science logicboy called pseudo-science?

Didn't you claim there is a creator behind the ball of matter that started the big-bang and that he alone possesses ultimate knowledge about it?? Is that what you call science?

Smh

truthislight:

So long now! Run along now.

It is good that we dont decend too low.

We await the main character of this thread since the praise singers have decided to leave.

Peace though.

rapture_ready:

May the Lord forgive you.

Covering your lie with even bigger lies.

@logicboy03 asked where did the ultimate creator come from and I replied that nobody can know, or similarly where did the ball of matter come from, nobody can tell either.

You were on that thread, and saw all that.

Go ahead, lie all you want, to suit your needs.

truthislight: Is it NL that turned you to Atheism ?



If you are talking about Jesus, say so, dont use that to threaten people.

Jesus death was fortold that his faithfullness to the end will be a scrifice to God and a reason/answer to satan, that will make God consider his effort and reconsider what our parent did under the taotulage of satan.

The action of Jesus life and his shade blood open up the way to Yahweh to all men.

Jesus faithfulness gives an answer to all of Satan's accusations against Yahweh, that humans will not love Yahwah without selfish gains expecially if their lives was at stake.(read the book of Job and see what satan told Yahweh).

Sacrifice goes as a ransom, what is used to buy back or change a situation without twisting or banding Justice > Yahweh is a God of justice and his justice dictactes his actions with intelligent creatures.

Blood for blood, life for life, what Adam lost was a perfect life and what exchanged to change the sentens of death on Adam's children was equivalent to what was lost by Adam. No injustice with Yahweh, and not when he had the power to restore any life. But his justice must hold and sets a precedent that should never be repeated by disobedience.

Even, on a situation that Yahweh was angry due to the actions of the household of Saul, Yahweh also specify that to correct the situation, the people have to be presented to him, not just any person, but the specific people concern, all of them and not from another house hold.

Precedent sets in the bible was to averts repeating certain ills, hence, death is almost always the sentence for defiance as to keep this nation clean and ready to welcome the promise messaiah that was the reason for the Existance of the nation of Israel at the first place.

Yahweh build the nation of Israel in the bible for the sole purpose of bringing forth the messaiah, and any contrary action to that end was instant dealth to removed obstacles on the set objectives.

The bible is not a text book to explain the life history of Satan or to explain the way satan dealth with other nations that have been worshiping him in the absence/seperation from Yahweh in Eden, but rather, a book to explain the process of the reconciliation of man back to Yahweh via the Messaiah, and we know the cause of the problem in the first place.

Satan is only mentioned in passing in the bible some of the times that his action to destroy this plans for the messaiah is considered.

But Yahweh knows and says that the rest nations except the Nation of Israel worshiped satan directly and indirectly, hence, Yahweh had to warn the nation of Israel not to get involved with any other nation and share with them in their worship, so as not to give room to satan into the Nation of Israel, that he will have access to the coming Messaiahs plans taking place there.

Along that ^ line, Yahweh had to build the nation of Israel devoid of the traditions of other nations, he sent the nation of Israel to grow in the land of Egypt, in a condition they cannot assimiltate the traditions of Egypt > slavery.
And the tradions of other nations that was influence by the anemy of Yahweh.

When this slaves have became populous and many in numbers, he took them under this state/condition devoid of tradition of men to the promised land, and on the way, gave them all the 613 laws and.
Do you think those slaves had the capacity to developed those laws for themselves under that conditions in the wilderness ? Laws they could not keep ?

This ^ arrangement by Yahweh ensured that the sons of Israel was a unique nation, absolutely different from every other nation dwelling upon the sufface of the earth, hence, any contermination was cutoff.

Meanwhile, all other nations under the influence of satan hated them, that explains why the Nation of Amalekite will attacked the innocent harmless slaves from Egypt on their way to the promised land, by the dictate of their God(unless the Amalekites had no god, but Egypt does).

It was Yahweh that has the ability to directly see and know the plans of satan and the effort he puts in to thwart the coming of the Messaiah, who he satan knew will destroy him at the end.

I think i am not in the best position to asses Yahweh and pass sentens on him owing to my limitations, since there are more than meets the eyes.

But since you say you know better, i beckon on you to come foward and educate me.

Thank you.

Christians listen to your fellow Christian brother. He still thinks God does not accept human sacrifice. He thinks Jesus was the human sacrifice I was talking about.

Please don't waste your time with this man, this type is ready to print out your picture from your profile and be ready to strike you when he meets you personally.

Abeg make I kukuma stay my own jeje before person go do me the thing wey God command "Stone all unbelievers to death"

Deuteronomy 17:2-5

If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found ... worshipped other gods,....If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.

Hmmmmm what a loving God!!...

rudedough:

Christians listen to your fellow Christian brother. He still thinks God does not accept human sacrifice. He thinks Jesus was the human sacrifice I was talking about.

Please don't waste your time with this man, this type is ready to print out your picture from your profile and be ready to strike you when he meets you personally.

Abeg make I kukuma stay my own jeje before person go do me the thing wey God command "Stone all unbelievers to death"

Deuteronomy 17:2-5

If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found ... worshipped other gods,....If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.

Hmmmmm what a loving God!!...

truthislight:

Hehehehe. All is well with you with a good sense of humour.

However, the action you quoted from the scripture you quoted will not be necessary since the reason for such a law has come and hence gave us a new law > "love of neighbour and love of God".

Not taking note of the pivotal part the messaiah plays is why the moslems still kill today for the sake of such scriptures.

However, since such scripture was put in place to protect the nation of Israel from Satan and his demons while the plans was on going, it has served it purpose and hence i dont have to disobey Jesus christ to attempt killing my fellow human for whatever reason, but to turn the other chick.

Anyway, its been good talking to you.

Though i am very much aware of the damage that has been done in the name of God, i do stand to say that the purpose of the bible is a very seriouse matter that any honest hearted persons should do well to investigate.

Yahweh took hard measures because that was what was needed to overcome the enemy and send the messaiah.

Again, people should not let themselves be exploited in the name of religion-"christianity", shine your eyes cause the bible does not support such.

So long friend, its been great talking to you, have a nice day till we meet some other time.

Peace.

You can lie to yourself all you want but that does not change the fact that your God accepts human sacrifices and kill innocent people.

It doesn't change the fact that your God prefers ra.pe to fornication and adultery. And Jesus is not any better as he's as immoral and violent as his father.

Forget about those cheap excuses of the law and grace and what not. He came not to abolish the law but to fulfil it. If there is anywhere he said he came to abolish the law please show me.

Have a nice time worshipping your God, the day he gets bored he will ask Drummerboy to strike you with the sword and sacrifice you on the alter. That's what he did to a Priest that didn't do anything wrong.

He did the same thing to another Priest that tried to help balance the ack from tripping. A good samaritan. That's how insane your God is.

Read your bible son, read your bible.

rationalmind:

But you did say only the creator possess ultimate knowledge about it. Didn't you say that? That is not science.

Are you aware there are a number of scientific theories that try to explain where the ball of matter that started the big-bang came from?

You ignored all those to cling to your God of the gaps.

JMAN05:

which ball of matter and where did it come from?

rudedough:

[b]You can lie to yourself all you want

rudedough:
but that does not change the fact that your God accepts human sacrifices and kill innocent people.

rudedough:
It doesn't change the fact that your God prefers ra.pe to fornication and adultery.

rudedough:
And Jesus is not any better as he's as immoral and violent as his father.

rudedough:
Forget about those cheap excuses of the law and grace and what not.

rudedough:
He came not to abolish the law but to fulfil it.

rudedough:
If there is anywhere he said he came to abolish the law please show me.

rudedough:
Have a nice time worshipping your God.

rudedough:
the day he gets bored he will ask Drummerboy to strike you with the sword and sacrifice you on the alter.

rudedough:
That's what he did to a Priest that didn't do anything wrong.

He did the same thing to another Priest that tried to help balanced the ark from tripping. A good samaritan. Yeah!! That's how insane your God is.

rudedough:
Read your bible son, read your bible. [/b]

rudedough:

[b]I was born into a Christian catholic family, my parents are devoted Catholics, they still are up till this date. I went through all the rigorous routine in Catholicism. The catechism, 1st holy communion, confirmation etc. Since i was a Child, i have been very curious about God, i tried to read the bible from Genesis many times but my mind was too weak to understand the bible and I always fall asleep while reading it.

Being a Catholic wasn't fun for me cos i didn't enjoy reciting the Latin liturgy which i didn't understand. One Sunday, while my dad was reciting the Latin liturgy in Church, i tapped him and asked what the meaning was but he answered "It's a prayer". Then i realize he didn't know what he was reciting either.

Soon, i stopped going to Church with my dad and i joined my neighbor who was an Anglican to their Church. My dad didn't like it but i was too stubborn to be persuaded. At the Anglican Church, i liked the praises and bands, music and stuff. I did have a good time but the teaching was kind of confusing cos the Pastor was handpicking verses and he'll asks us to open our bible to Matt but before i open the verse, he has asked for another verse and another verse and another verse. I was frustrated so i stopped going to that Church and went back to my dad's Church.

Olatunde was my best friend in high school, he was a Muslim and he always goes to the mosque so i join him whenever he's going and i'll offer the Jumu'ah with him. I did all these at a very early age. As i grow older, I became very interested in religion, both in Islam and Christianity. I became very religious, more religious than you could ever imagine.

That was when i decided to study the bible. I went back to Genesis and studied the Old Testament through to the last. What i read about God was unbelievable, i couldn't believe what i read, i was in shock cos i least expected that our "Merciful" and "Loving" father could be so heartless and yet proud of it.

I didn't believe it at the time, i tried to overcome what i have read; i still went to Church, sang praises and all. Then i thought to read the bible again just to be sure i wasn't misled. This time, i read through to the New Testament and read about Jesus. Then i read it the 3rd time, i even bought a note book and took record of everything God did that i considered heartless and unfair.

Then i went to my father and asked him about all these things, but instead of him explaining to me, he became extremely violent and i can still remember how his face looked while he beat the hell out of me for calling God wicked. That's what religion can do to a man. Then i started withdrawing my steps from Christianity but i thought Islam was better so i studied the Holy Qur’an too, but lo and behold, same teaching, same wickedness, same message.

So i gave up on religion and i have studied the bible and other religious books even more. I have also shown a lot of Christians the truth about God and they were surprised cos no one has ever read them those passages. Trust me; most of you Christians are having this "faith in God" cos you haven't read your bible. I assure you that if you read your bible like i did; you'll dump it in the trash and live a free life.

Now my question to you is, when did you become a Christian and why?[/b]

rudedough: @Drummerboy you opened this thread so I am inviting you to discuss about God with your Christian brother. I think he is confusing the human sacrifices I was talking about with Jesus death and Abraham's son Isaac.

Please save your Christian brother before I take him through the path of truth and you end up loosing one more Christian brother.

Drummerboy please ask your Christian brother to stop writing else I take him on the journey of truth through his bible. I beg you, tell him to shut the hell up for peace to reign on this thread.

One more quote and I won't stop until he gives up on religion.

rudedough:

Sorry i don't believe there is a God and i came to my conclusion after scrutinizing the bible and every religious book that i can find. I was only answering to Drummerboy's question about God's Love which led to the referral of the character "God" in the bible to explain that he's not the "Loving" and "Merciful" God Christians think he is.

I still think that the Bible is a story book and every character in there are just role players. Looking at the history of the bible will make firm my claim that it is a story book written by disgruntled old men headed by Emperor Constantine I to sell fear to people in other to curb the religious crisis in 316 A.D.

So NO sir, God does not exist. He exists only in your head. Does your thought exist? Can your thought kill you?

PAGAN 9JA:



I see you tried both the foreign religions.

Why did you never try the Traditional Religio of your ancestors

Are we so worthless?

Is our Gods mass-genocidists and evil?

Pagan 9Ja my good friend. At the time, I was scared of the traditional believes. Come on, what do you expect from a Christian who have been repetitively abused by the falsehood of the "Devil" "Evil shrine" "native doctor"?

Now that I know better, I have read an article of traditional believes but it didn't cover much though. And considering that I was already an Atheist and have lost those believe in the supernaturals, I didn't take it seriously.

If you have some book on your traditional believes I will love to read that too.