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Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by Chidi4u(m): 1:30pm On Oct 27, 2008
Gangsta101 i use 90cm and 1.8m dish but you know the beauty of fta is in recieving more channels

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Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by badaru1(m): 2:33pm On Oct 27, 2008
@ sylve11

To track nile you have to use either sky x receiver or strong 4652. You cant get nile with 4653x,that receiver is no suitable for tracking. You also need to be patient.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by sylve11: 2:38pm On Oct 27, 2008
Gangsta101:

Enitan,

Yes, i do agree with you that no matter the size of your dish, there are still some satellites one will not be able to catch. My emphasis has always been on Hotbird, i have studied their map on lyngsat, and i believe on should be able to get a good enough reception with a 4M dish, but then again that is just my opinion. about using the site dishpointer, i don't know how they caliberated their site, but it doesn't always give you reliable values for dish sizes, and in most cases just tells you that you are outside the footprint. but if i remember well, Enigma once posted a link about a guy in Brazil who was able to receive some freqs on i think Hotbird with a 6m dish (or was it 8m, i can't remember now). If he can do it in Brazil, i think i should be able to do it in Nigeria (yes, i know it doesn't always follow, i still remember that obnelly receives MBC persia in Ibadan  and i can't receive it here in Kaduna).

Sylvie11,

Man, I understand your predicament, once that Nilesat bird starts with you, you will wish you never ever heard of it, but to receiver Nilesat, what you need is patience (which i see you have a lot of) and some guidance. since you have tracked Nss7 before, it gives you a good idea of where Nilesat should be. what i usually do is that i define where my south pole should be and use it as my outermost margin, then i use use NSS7 as the western-most margin, i draw some lines on the floor to delineate those, then i try to mark out a 10 degree chord between those 2 points where i feel Nilesat should fall into, and then concentrate most of my time on that arc. please note, after you get Nss7 you must take it to the weakest freq (not GTV sha), and then tweak your LNB so you are getting the best possible signal before you start trying out Nilesat. you start from where you got Nss7, start moving the dish gradually southwards in minute degrees, for each small step you take southwards, change the elevation of the dish gradually from the horizontal level, up to face the skies and downwards again. you have to do this slowly while watching the TV (i believe you have knowledge of this before if not you wouldn't spend 5 hours under the sun) But there are certain key points you must note. first the tracking freq is 10758 v 27500, secondly, the lnb skew is very crucial, i wish i could describe it, it is similar to that of NSS7 though, but just in case, check up someone who is currently receiving Nilesat and see.

Chidi4u,

what is your dish size and location?



Gangsta101
God bless you my brother for the support, when i get home i will start it again, but there's something i wll like to know: if i'm standing facing the west where NSS7 is, where will i skew the lnbf to, is it to the east or the skew should remain also in the eastern position? Pls, fellows i still need your help.

badaru1:

@ sylve11

To track nile you have to use either sky x receiver or strong 4652. You can't get nile with 4653x,that receiver is no suitable for tracking. You also need to be patient.


bros thank you for your support, what am using is the strong 4652. I will be happy if u can put more light to that.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by sayso: 2:54pm On Oct 27, 2008
@Sylvie11
Please if you get through to Nilesat let me know,I stay also in Warri and interested in that Nilesat since this is the beauty of FTA
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by sylve11: 3:36pm On Oct 27, 2008
@sayso no problem, i will surely get to u.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by Gangsta101(m): 3:48pm On Oct 27, 2008
Sylvie,

I'm glad it is the 4652 strong you are using, it shows the signal strenght and levels exactly as they are and therefore gives you a much better response to their changes than the x series decoder which have a persistently high signal level and only the strenght varies (or is it the other way round, i can't remember). Tracking with the x series decoders can be disheartening, and requires a lot more patience.

About the Lnb skew, if you stand facing the dish (assuming it is facing you directly), Imagine two lines, one vertical and the other horizontal cutting across the plane of the LNB, if we take 0 degree to be the line extending downwards from the lnb, then the part of the Lnb from which the f-connector attaches, should be located around 22.5 to 45 degrees to your right from the 0 degree line, but it could also work if you take it to exactly opposite those points )i.e 112.5 to 135 degrees leftwards from the zero point i described above. (the left and right i refer to are your own left and right, not that of the dish) you can confirm this by trying it out with NSS7 first. my lnb skew for both nilesat and nss 7 are similar. (they may be different for your area, that is why i gave a range.)

Please note that if and when you do receive the first TP, you still and you adjust your dish in a way you that you are able to receive some other TPs, the skew end up being somewhat different from that of the first TP, i think this is because they are from different birds. what i do when tracking nilesat is after getting the first TP, i try adjusting the lnb until the signal for the first tp is above 75%, by which time that of BBCworld 11766H27500 should have appeared, i would then continue adjusting the dish and LNB positions using this freq until it gets to its maximum, then i would then go over to the CNN tp 12073H27500 and see if i can also get a better signal level from that one, but one thing at a time, first look for the first tp 10758v27500
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by salamander(m): 4:31pm On Oct 27, 2008
@gangsta

Do you get Eurobird2 @25.5 in Lagos? If yes, with what dish size?
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by Gangsta101(m): 6:35pm On Oct 27, 2008
salamander:

@gangsta

Do you get Eurobird2 @25.5 in Lagos? If yes, with what dish size?

sorry Salamander, i think the query should have been directed to Badaru, he is the one that posted something wrt eurobird. also i live in Kaduna state, in the north. but i am also interested in the answer though.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by sylve11: 6:41pm On Oct 27, 2008
@baduru
brother thank you very much for your support, i wish you are here with me to see what i'm talking about. Am about going now from my office, when i get home i will start tracking the crazy bird again. Brother can you give me your number so i will call you. I sent you a mail, check your box.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by maddoxoj(m): 8:19pm On Oct 27, 2008
@All
How una dey? I can see things are progressing nicely. I just want to to say that you can actually receive any signal on any satellite as long as you have the right size of dish, good lnb, receiver, accessories and a bit of reverse engineering in some cases. However, the catch is that the targeted bird must not be behind or beyond your horizon. Nigeria's horizon starts around Intelsat 7/10 (68°E) and ends around Intelsat 805 (55.5°W). When a bird is outside of your horizon it means your downlink equipment cannot "see" the bird so cannot communicate with it, no matter what. Bottom line is, you can track any bird all, you have to do is multiply EIRP (Beam Power) by the degrees of distance between your location and the weakest foot print of the bird to determine the size of dish that can possibly nail the bird. If you can get a 100meter dish it would pick anything you want (and you can make a nice Olympic swimming pool out of it too!!!!!).

Don't give up on any bird, just find a big dish. grin
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by salamander(m): 9:40pm On Oct 27, 2008
maddoxoj:

@All
How una dey? I can see things are progressing nicely. I just want to to say that you can actually receive any signal on any satellite as long as you have the right size of dish, good lnb, receiver, accessories and a bit of reverse engineering in some cases. However, the catch is that the targeted bird must not be behind or beyond your horizon. Nigeria's horizon starts around Intelsat 7/10 (68°E) and ends around Intelsat 805 (55.5°W). When a bird is outside of your horizon it means your downlink equipment cannot "see" the bird so cannot communicate with it, no matter what. Bottom line is, you can track any bird all, you have to do is multiply EIRP (Beam Power) by the degrees of distance between your location and the weakest foot print of the bird to determine the size of dish that can possibly nail the bird. If you can get a 100meter dish it would pick anything you want (and you can make a nice Olympic swimming pool out of it too!!!!!).

Don't give up on any bird, just find a big dish. grin

Nice work there.But for those of us whose heads are a bit little dead with maths, why don't you put it in a formula like y = x2?
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by ceejay80s(m): 6:08am On Oct 28, 2008
@ all any new fta stations on strong decoder? And do i need to scan to get any new fta station? All i can recieve is eTV and christian channels, Your replies will be appreciated
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by sylve11: 9:27am On Oct 28, 2008
ceejay80s:

@ all any new fta stations on strong decoder? And do i need to scan to get any new fta station? All i can recieve is eTV and christian channels, Your replies will be appreciated

first are you using the x series of strong? if yes all you hv to do is to do blind scanning, if there is any new added channel it will pop out at once, but if no, then you have to type in the frequency manually. For you to know if there is any new channel and the frequencty visit this website: www.lyngsat.com.
Good luck.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by Gangsta101(m): 10:15am On Oct 28, 2008
Sylvie11,

How did your installation go yesterday, any luck?
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by sylve11: 11:14am On Oct 28, 2008
@Gangsta101
bros i didnt go near the setup because the weather was bad. when get homw from office today, i will try it all over again
Bro, can u please give me your number so i will give u a call should i xperience any difficulty? I sent you a mail, please send me your response and also your number.
Thnks.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by fasone(m): 11:51am On Oct 28, 2008
@gangsta101, badaru1,toxnaija,olofofo

i found out that key02 for disney works on my 4653x and 4663x but didnt work on two 4650s that i installed it on. am i missing something? pls what else should i do?
regards
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by Gangsta101(m): 12:36pm On Oct 28, 2008
Fasone,

Did u patch those 4652 at any time in the past? keys don't work on strong decoders with official software. (don't know about the new models though.) but if you have patched them before and they still don't work, try loading a patch from the web via rs232 cable or from another decoder that currently opens disney (4652 that is).
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by pitodenz(m): 12:50pm On Oct 28, 2008
@ sylve11
since u were able to get nss7ku signal maximum signal level,this shows that ur focal point is well calculated,so this what u do;
on getting nss7ku,shift the dish to ur left side and lift to 7",continue tracking ur left side the first freq will show up 10758v.This freq is even easier to get than nss7ku and with 3m dish in warri u can get signal up to 70% with 4652.Note that nilesat cannot be gotten in the same azimuth direction with nss7ku,so u better mark the direction on which u got the nss7ku and track from left of that direction.Also that nfirst freq must not be on maximum level to enable other signal on nilesat 101 and 102 to enter.After getting the first freq,track city7 freq then others ll start coming up.For best result and to reduce stress track from 7pm.

@ enigma
thanks for ur response but is the cam the same as card reader?
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by MrGem(m): 3:23pm On Oct 28, 2008
@pitodenz
You have done a great job to me on phone. I have to openly acknowledge your supports. I was unable to hear you clearly on some of your suggestions. Please let me open up!

@all
I think it is high time I must cough out the technical hitches I have been encountering on my SRT 4653X decoder. It happened that I looped a signal cable coming into HITV decoder to the one I mentioned above. Then, I was able to view HITV channels with its customized Smart Card. Thereafter, I disconnected the looping cable and used my decoder to track intelsat 7/10 ku signal. The job was accomplished perfectly. All these stories happened when I was at my friend’s house.

On getting home, I connected my decoder to its normal dish setup. When the decoder was powered, it started showing me “lnbf” on its displaying screen. I tried to adjust the connection between the LNB and the receiver but it kept repeating the same message (lnbf). Since then, the decoder has started malfunctioning. Sometimes, it refuses to boot or it goes-off while booting. In summary, I can not use it at the moment.
How I wish everybody extends his/her helping hands to me at this critical time in recovering the decoder. If need be, you can call me at nights through 08032249398.

Thanks for your anticipated supports.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by ceejay80s(m): 3:33pm On Oct 28, 2008
@sylva11 thanks,i am new to this section. How do i scan for new channels?U guys are like experts to this,so u should know if there is any new channels.Pls i need instructions
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by pitodenz(m): 5:19pm On Oct 28, 2008
@ mr gem u re the cause of ur own predicament,anyway next time never allow ur coaxil cable to jam together.now ur problem re two,power and signal so i ll advice u work the power first,give it to those guys that works on electronics power circuit,when the power began steady change the signal i.c if the lnbf still shows on the receiver then the tuner is bad.i wish i can post a pic or diagram for u.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by fasone(m): 5:30pm On Oct 28, 2008
Gangsta101:

Fasone,

Did u patch those 4652 at any time in the past? keys don't work on strong decoders with official software. (don't know about the new models though.) but if you have patched them before and they still don't work, try loading a patch from the web via rs232 cable or from another decoder that currently opens disney (4652 that is).

the sets are 4650 model and has mytv logo when starting up and i was able to get to key edit menu with 8282, do u think they have not been patched before?
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by Gangsta101(m): 6:38pm On Oct 28, 2008
Ceejay,

Is it the blind scanning you need help with? its been a while since i used the strong decoder but if i remember correctly, to access it , u press the menu button on the remote, go to installation, and scroll down, u will see it among the options, press on it, it will show you the satellite list, select the one you want to blindscan and go on from there. like i said, i can't remember exactly how it is, but it is pretty easy.
i didn't really appreciate the blindscan option on the strong x series decoders, they didn't always bring in New TPs, sometimes you have to enter them manually. i remember it wouldn't bring in RDV, and the STV channels on Nss7 and Go Africa on w3a, but it is still useful though.

Mr. Gem.

yes, Pitodenz is right, the most likely thing is that, sometime during the movement from one dish to another, you didn't properly secure the F-connectors to either the lnb or the receivers input, and there were wires touching somewhere, that must have caused the signal IC to burn, which is probably causing all sorts of power issues for you now. you do have to take it to a repairer (I think).

Fasone,

An unpatched decoder would still do all of the above (maybe except for the MYTV logo, i don't know if MYTV supplied any 4652's to this region). the best way to find out is to patch it again, look for someone that has an already patched decoder and do a firmware transfer from that one. (you could also transfer using serial cable but it is more prone to errors that STB-to-STB transfer, I should know).
Please note, don't try to upgrade using NEPA power oh!!! grin (Not unless you are guaranteed steady light).
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by Enigma(m): 8:30pm On Oct 28, 2008
@ pitodenz
pitodenz:

@ enigma
thanks for ur response but is the cam the same as card reader?

Erm, yes and no. A basic card reader, strictly speaking, is not a CAM just some gadget that can read some cards. A CAM also is not simply a card reader (as it can do more than read cards) but most CAMs can read cards.


@fasone
fasone:

the sets are 4650 model and has mytv logo when starting up and i was able to get to key edit menu with 8282, do u think they have not been patched before?

This can only mean that the receiver was patched at some point. Original software that will come with the receiver on manufacture will not allow keys to be put in or things like 8282. Having said that, I notice that most Strong receivers in Naija are patched and I have been wondering what kind of arrangement exists between the manufacturer and distributors to achieve this.

Regarding your problem, the likely cause is that the patch in the 4650 receivers may be out of date. You see, if a patch is old and a provider tweaks its encryption, then a new patch will be needed to catch up with the tweak. See, I also have a receiver (Phoenix Apollo MC-CI) which is patched but will not work with Showtime/ART keys - simply because the patch is out of date and is not powerful enough to keep up with Showtime's tweaking of their encryption. On the other hand even that same old patch is still good enough to work with other providers e.g. on 5e and 1w. Thus your receiver's patch might still be good enough to open eTV but too old/weak to open Showtime/ART.

Edited If you go into Menu-System Information, you should be able to see the date and version of the software in the receiver; then go online to look for the most recent patch that you can find for the receiver and compare the versions/dates. For example, I just did a brief search and could find patch 198 of April this year for that receiver -- there might even be a more recent patch, for all I know.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by sayso: 8:23am On Oct 29, 2008
@sylva11
guy how did the search for Nilesat went yesterday,pls mail me wt ifychuk@gmail.com,I need to talk to you
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by Gangsta101(m): 8:54am On Oct 29, 2008
Enigma:


@fasone
This can only mean that the receiver was patched at some point. Original software that will come with the receiver on manufacture will not allow keys to be put in or things like 8282. Having said that, I notice that most Strong receivers in Naija are patched and I have been wondering what kind of arrangement exists between the manufacturer and distributors to achieve this.


About Strong decoders being pre-patched before getting to the customer, it is indeed strange, because, it doesn't seem to be a "Full Patch" (for want of a better explanation). Because if you buy a brand new straight-out-of-the-box strong 4651X, you would be able to type in 8282 and 8280 to bring out the different key menus, and (i think), you can press 6969 on ETV (intelsat 7/10) and get it to open. but however, if you input the showtime/ART keys manually (or even via a softcam), it wouldn't open them. you would have to then patch it properly to open showtime/ART. Maybe like you said, the initial software loaded onto it (probably patched for this region), would have been too old by that time.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by captainus: 9:18am On Oct 29, 2008
@ Gangsta101, Enigma

I got the key to KBS World(Intel 7/10@ 68.5 c band). However  when I input the keys manually, it would not open the channel;though when I input the keys to AflamTV(W6) it worked.Could it be that my receiver(4653X) was not fully patched?

@Enigma
I've a question for you on the "Free to Air Codes' thread.

@Salamander ,Sathob,

Any news on the various dish sizes(price,availability e.t.c)

@ALL

Arsenal vrs Spurs tonight @20.00GMT on 2m National
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by sathob(m): 10:15am On Oct 29, 2008
@captainus
I have been spending sometime on the net to convince myself on certain facts, I will communicate any findings to you soon. But, thanks to all the big guys of sat in the house, for their contribution is helping a lot. Thanks to Maddoxoj, Enigma, Gangsta and all. By the way do you receive SABC 1,2,3,4 on your setup?
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by Gangsta101(m): 10:18am On Oct 29, 2008
captainus:

@ Gangsta101, Enigma

I got the key to KBS World(Intel 7/10@ 68.5 c band). However  when I input the keys manually, it would not open the channel;though when I input the keys to AflamTV(W6) it worked.Could it be that my receiver(4653X) was not fully patched?

Since you have a set of keys that are working properly on the same decoder, then it is no longer a question of whether your decoder is fully patched, but whether the keys are still working. is there anyone else you know for whom the keys are currently working? if they are then it wouldn't be a bad idea to try patching it again with a newer file.
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by olofofo(m): 11:40am On Oct 29, 2008
sathob:

@captainus
I have been spending sometime on the net to convince myself on certain facts, I will communicate any findings to you soon. But, thanks to all the big guys of sat in the house, for their contribution is helping a lot. Thanks to Maddoxoj, Enigma, Gangsta and all. By the way do you receive SABC 1,2,3,4 on your setup?

SABC 4?
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by captainus: 12:23pm On Oct 29, 2008
@Sathob,

In September the signal was good and I had up to 60% signal quality on SABC1,2,3&ETV(I'm not sure if there is SABC4) but for the past 2 or 3 weeks I do not have any signal on it eventhough blind scanning still brings out the tp.

@Gangsta,
Thanks
Re: Official Thread of Free To Air Satellite TV (Part 2) by sylve11: 12:37pm On Oct 29, 2008
@gangstar101, pitodenz, baduru, butoneday
Brothers, i finally got the bird (nilesat), but there is a problem, Art sports refused to come up, and MBCs signal strength is very low 35%. I got the first frequncy which is about 70% as u people do advice me to get first. After i got that first frequency, the MBC were all 53-55%. So i decided to put a tiny hole so water can rush down, it look as if the hole's the whole barrier, cause after i punch the hole, i checked my signal strength and found out that the MBCs and some other channels turned 35%, apart from the first which is about 70% then turned 50%. I spent 8 hours tracking the naughty bird.
I used strong LNB to do the tracking at the first place and nothing came up, i also used the same strong LNB to track NSS7 and i got 94%. well to cut long story short, when i replaced it with the FUJI LNB, the whole story changed, the same way i skewed the strong LNB that was unable to give me signal, i skewed the FUJI same way and i begin to recieved the signals. What do i do now to make the signal strength high? No ART channels and the MBCs are low, the reast i can't even comment on ( poor ) signal strength,  and also i only the V psitions, no H position at all. Please, brothers help me so i can received the rest and also make my signal strength high

You guys are real great masters, i will always live to remember you for your kindness.

Note: Igot the MBCs complete packages including the new MBC persia and MBC max.

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