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| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 3:05am On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:so i'm now free to continue in sin. isn't it? satan is really using u to deceive people. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by FringeWizard: 3:16am On Sep 19, 2014 |
I agree with the general sentiment here that one who is "saved" can be corrupted again and led to destruction but I don't buy into all the endless Christian nonsense. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 7:18am On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: my people perish for lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6.i know, but you have not said anything 1 Like |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 7:41am On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:i have said a lot if u read my post. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 7:44am On Sep 19, 2014 |
FringeWizard: I agree with the general sentiment here that one who is "saved" can be corrupted again and led to destruction but I don't buy into all the endless Christian nonsense.if u dnt buy it, then stay in ur corner. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 9:09am On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: so i'm now free to continue in sin. isn't it? satan is really using u to deceive people.no it is not satan, when Paul was saying that the gift of salvation is free people thought it was too good to be true, so they thought he was saying people should go and comit sin and they begin to slander him Romans 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. please don't slander me by saying it is satan. the free gift of salvation is not asking you to go and comit sin. Now that you know you are free it is expected that you avoid sin using your conscience, if you don't, you will suffer the consequence here on earth. Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.. Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; what if you sin (because you can not know it all to avoid sin all the time ) does it mean you have loose your salvation? God forbid! yet you will be purnished here on earth, you will just die for nothing, ignorance is not an excuse. Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, o man... (that is why education is very important on earth, and christians in Nigeria underate education a lot, look at the terrible standard of universities we have in Nigeria ) but on the other hand, when it come to salvation,(we are talking about spiritual things now, not on earth ) your sin has nothing to do with your salvation .sin is simply breaking the law (the 10 commandments ). for instance, thou shall not steal. if you steal. it is sin, thou shall not lie. if you lie, it is sin. but when it comes to salvation we are justified by. faith without these laws Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. so, whether you sin or not (ofcourse you must sin because you are human? ) you are righteous through faith. It is God that judge, God don't see your sin anymore . when he looks down at you what he sees is Jesus Christ but in your mind you don't know (this is a spiritual thing, only spiritually minded people will understand ) if God choses not to see peoples sin by his mercies you can't force him to see their sin your position is to be happy that God is merciful it takes educated mind to understand these thing and because majority of nigerians are not educated they find it difficult to think and understand so we suffer a lot in Africa. no love, no mercy for the poor in Africa, no grace. because they still think God dont have grace for people so why should i be gracious to people ? they still think if you sin you will go to hell fire, even most people who went to school, they are still irrational in this Africa, because our universities are faulty that is why nigerians are still saying once saved is not always saved but in developed countries white people don't think like that. majority of them are educated,they know the truth from the bible so things are better for them i want to say all the churches in Africa (Nigeria especially ) has failed us it is how to put fear in peoples mind they know and to collect money from them they are afraid to preach the truth in the bible 1 Like |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 9:43am On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: i have said a lot if u read my post.you commited a lot of fallacies in all the bible quotion you quoted which black men can never see because most of them lark quality education, by the way, do you know what fallacies are? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 10:06am On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:u are only dragging us backward. so i can continue in sin after all when God look at me he will not see my sin but d blood of Jesus. is dat not what u are saying if i hear u correctly? whether we sin or not we would make heaven i.e everyone on earth will make heaven. is dis not what u are saying now? yes or no? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 10:09am On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:my friend u were d one who lacked quality education because u don't understand scriptures. i sympathize with u on dat. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 10:15am On Sep 19, 2014 |
pls do u believe dat someone who is obedient can turn and become rebellious and disobedience like satan when he rebelled against God and he was cast out? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 1:49pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
false prophets in sheep clothing all over d place. God help us to expose them. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 3:25pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: my friend u were d one who lacked quality education because u don't understand scriptures. i sympathize with u on dat.answer my question, do you know what fallacies are? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 3:34pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: u are only dragging us backward. so i can continue in sin after all when God look at me he will not see my sin but d blood of Jesus. is dat not what u are saying if i hear u correctly? whether we sin or not we would make heaven i.e everyone on earth will make heaven. is dis not what u are saying now? yes or no?don't misunderstand me, read it again. i didn't ask you to continue in sin, rather i quoted scritures explaining why you shouldn't commit sin, and also we are under grace, that we should take advantage of the grace because everybody commit sin, nobody is perfect i didn't say everybody will make heaven o, heaven is for only christians, not everybody. not everybody are in christianity do u know that? 1 Like |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 3:53pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: pls do u believe dat someone who is obedient can turn and become rebellious and disobedience like satan when he rebelled against God and he was cast out?it is only humans who are wicked that will cast their children out when they become disobedient not God. Good parents don't cast out their children, they purnish their children when they become disobedient, and bring them back again into their loving arms This is what God also do to us (christians ) when we become disobedient it is unbelievers that are rebellion to God because they refused to believe that Jesus is the Christ, not christians 1 Like |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 4:41pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:but christ died for all. why wont everyone make heaven despite their sins? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 5:01pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:why didn't God forgive Satan then after he rebelled against him? why did God totally cast him out? also dnt u think that the prodigal son who left the father's house would have been lost forever if he didn't come back to his senses and returned to his father? is it God that will back d disobedient ones or they will repent and come back to God? dnt u think a christian can turn and rebel against God or leave God and become Satan's agent? ur argument is full of holes. it is so because u dnt read nor understand d bible. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 5:15pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
@paxonel. i dnt think u read this, there are answers to every of ur questions in the article. this is what i wrote in answer to those ur garbage. Jesus' Blood Sacrifice Is Sufficient. Some folks say that Jesus' death is all we need to be saved. If we argue that there are things we need to do to be saved, including living a faithful life, they say we are denying the power of Jesus' death. We agree Jesus' blood has the power to cleanse all sin. But the question is whether it cleanses conditionally or unconditionally. We cannot earn salvation, but are there conditions we must meet to receive the forgiveness? Jesus died for all people. If His death is all we need, and people need do nothing at all, then all would be saved. 1 Timothy 2:6 - Jesus gave His life a ransom for all. Hebrews 2:9 - By the grace of God, Jesus tasted death for all men (the extent of this is shown in v15). John 3:16 - God gave His Son for the world because of His love. 1 John 2:2 - Jesus is propitiation for the sins, not just of Christians, but for the whole world. [cf. I John 4:14] Romans 5:18,19 - By Jesus' act of righteousness (His death - v8,9), justification came to all men. If Jesus' death is "sufficient" and "all we need," then why aren't all men saved, since He died for all? But we know that not all will be saved (Matt. 7:13,14; etc.). So there must be something that distinguishes the saved from the unsaved. There are conditions we must meet. God is no respecter of persons. Romans 2:6-11 - God distinguishes the saved from the lost "without respect of persons" or partiality. If Jesus' death was all there was to it, then He must save everybody or else be a respecter of person. Instead, there is a distinction on the basis of our conduct - whether we work evil or continue in doing good. Acts 10:34,35 - God is no respecter of persons, but those who fear Him and work righteousness are accepted. True, we cannot earn salvation. But there is a way God distinguishes between those who will be saved by His son's blood from those who will not - our faith and works. When people claim that Jesus' death is all there is to it and people do not need to do anything to be saved, they unknowingly make God a respecter of persons. If Jesus' blood saves by itself with no conditions to be met, then why is faith necessary? In practice, everyone admits there are some conditions necessary to be saved by Jesus' blood. Most people admit we must believe. Many agree we must repent and confess Christ. (See John 3:16; 8:24; 2 Pet. 3:9; Rom. 10:9,10; 6:3,4; Acts 2:38; 22:16; Mark. 16:16; etc.) But these are simply conditions we must meet to receive the benefit of Jesus' death. To admit this is to admit Jesus' death alone, without conditions people must meet, will not save. But if we agree there are conditions people must meet to be saved, then why object when we point out from the Scriptures that these necessary conditions include baptism and a faithful life? These no more deny the power of Jesus' death than do faith, repentance, etc. If you can recognize faith, etc., as necessary to salvation without denying the importance of Jesus' death, then in the same way we believe baptism and a faithful life are also necessary without denying the importance of Jesus' death. The Bible expressly shows that there are conditions children of God must meet to be cleansed by Jesus' blood. 1 John 1:7-9 - Children of God do sin (v8,10). To be cleansed by Jesus' blood, we must "walk in the light" and "confess our sins." To deny this is to deny the clear teaching of Scripture. Acts 8:22 - A child of God (v12,13) who sinned was clearly told that, to be cleansed of his sin, he must repent and pray. It is Jesus' blood that forgives. But just as there are conditions we must meet to be cleansed and become a child of God, so there are conditions we must meet to be cleansed after we are children of God. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 6:46pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: but christ died for all. why wont everyone make heaven despite their sins?Christ died for all, but not everybody believe, so not everybody make heaven. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 6:52pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:what about those who believes and draws back to perdition? i can believe today and tomorrow express unbelief like d Israelite in the wilderness. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 6:54pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: why didn't God forgive Satan then after he rebelled against him? why did God totally cast him out?@paxonel u have nt addressed this questions. dnt skip them. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 7:19pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: why didn't God forgive Satan then after he rebelled against him? why did God totally cast him out? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 7:35pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: why didn't God forgive Satan then after he rebelled against him? why did God totally cast him out? a christian can only rebel against God only when he denounced christianity to join other religion, by so doing he has denounced the faith, he has lost his salvation Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: ..... |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 7:47pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:so u believe that someone can lost his salvation now . gud. but tell me what will befall a christian who at a point begins to commit fornication, adultery, stealing, murder, etc and fails to repent of his sin and forsake them and died in his sins? will he make heaven? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 8:00pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: what about those who believes and draws back to perdition? i can believe today and tomorrow express unbelief like d Israelite in the wilderness.to express unbelief simply means to denounce christianity, because it is in Christianity that we have our believe in Jesus remember, Jesus is the founder of christianity. he founded Christianity the very day he died and ressurected, so that as many that believe in him from that day of crucifixion is saved everybody in Christianity believe so everybody in Christianity are saved unbelievers are Muslims, those in Judaism ( the religion of the jews ) and every other religion outside Christianity God has rejected Judaism(who had the old abrahamic covenant ) and lifted christianity( the new covenant in Christ ) for salvation christianity is our faith, without christianity our faith it is impossible to please God |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 8:12pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: so u believe that someone can lost his salvation now . gud. but tell me what will befall a christian who at a point begins to commit fornication, adultery, stealing, murder, etc and fails to repent of his sin and forsake them and died in his sins? will he make heaven? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 8:14pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:so those that believe are saved irrespective of their works? |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 8:15pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: so u believe that someone can lost his salvation now . gud. but tell me what will befall a christian who at a point begins to commit fornication, adultery, stealing, murder, etc and fails to repent of his sin and forsake them and died in his sins? will he make heaven? he will get the punishment here on earth. bu heaven? it is impossible for him to loose heaven unless he denounced Christianity the point you people fail to understand is heaven is already in you. you are in heaven already. you don't work for it, it's a free gift, so long you believe in Jesus and remain in christianity. you have eternal life right inside you in your spirit |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 8:34pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: so those that believe are saved irrespective of their works?exactly! so all we need to do for ourselves is to avoid sin, work hard, make money,develop our environment (replenish this earth ) show love to the poor and enjoy our lives on earth |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 11:57pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
paxonel:this is d false doctrine peddles by false prophet like u and others. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 12:06am On Sep 20, 2014 |
paxonel:what if they dnt avoid sin? remember that no unclean thing will enter into heaven according to d bible. so why are u preaching a different gospel to deceive people. d bible say that those that preach a different gospel are under God's curse. repent now so that u will not perish in hell fire. cos all d false prophets will have their part in d lake of fire. dnt be one of them. |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 12:16am On Sep 20, 2014 |
paxonel:this is a lie raised to the power of thousands. dnt be deceived, those that die in their sins will perish. d wages of sin is death according to d bible. . Romans 6:12-18 - We must not let sin reign in our bodies. These were baptized into Christ (v3,4), set free from sin, and become servants of righteousness (v18). They are warned not to let sin reign in their bodies nor present their members as instruments of sin (v12,13). The result of that would be death (v16). This must be spiritual again, since all die physically. The wages of sin, even for those here addressed, is death, in contrast to eternal life (v23). Hebrews 6:4-8 - We must avoid falling away. This is addressed to those once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift and the good word of God and were partakers of the Holy Spirit (v4,5). We are warned not to fall away (v6). If they continue in this pattern of life (implied), they cannot be restored. They are crucifying Jesus afresh and putting Him to an open shame (v6). Their destiny is to be burned like a field of thorns (v8). |
| Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 1:09am On Sep 20, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: what if they dnt avoid sin? remember that no unclean thing will enter into heaven according to d bible. so why are u preaching a different gospel to deceive people. d bible say that those that preach a different gospel are under God's curse. repent now so that u will not perish in hell fire. cos all d false prophets will have their part in d lake of fire. dnt be one of them.the question is are we christians unclean? the answer is NO, we have been made righteous, we have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus 2 Corinthians 5:21 For he(God) hath made him (Jesus ) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him so we have been declared righteous we have been made fit for the kingdom we didn't do it for ourselves, it is Christ who did it for us by the let me ask you, you want to depend on keeping the law abi? mention one person you know that has kept the law sucessfully, just one James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. so why are you killing yourself? why don't you just take advantage of the grace that has been made available by Jesus which is the perfect will of God for you? i tell you if keep believing in that thing you are still holding called your righteousness you are the one holding false doctrine and you are the one going to perish in hell |
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