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Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 9:15am On Sep 23, 2014
@ Paxonel
Thanks. If we stick to the teaching of those facts which lead to our conclusion, we will do very well.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 11:18am On Sep 23, 2014
i thank God for using me to bring d truth to limelight. the truth surely sets free.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 12:22pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: yes. sin sends people to hell whether u believed it or not.
OK, i am a sinner, a very proud one ,I am still enjoying my life, come put me for hell fire now?
ahaha ahahaa aha
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 12:24pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: i thank God for using me to bring d truth to limelight. the truth surely sets free.
you in bondage, big one, false prophet
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 12:26pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: i thank God for using me to bring d truth to limelight. the truth surely sets free.
grin grin grin
Wonders will never end.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 12:34pm On Sep 23, 2014
paxonel:
OK, i am a sinner, a very proud one ,I am still enjoying my life, come put me for hell fire now?
ahaha ahahaa aha
if u dnt repent, when u die, u will go there.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 12:35pm On Sep 23, 2014
paxonel:
you in bondage, big one, false prophet
u are d false prophet trying to lead people to hell.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 12:50pm On Sep 23, 2014
5solas: @ Paxonel
Thanks. If we stick to the teaching of those facts which lead to our conclusion, we will do very well.
as a matter of fact i am a living witness. ever since i know that truth do you know that i find it very difficult to commit sin, my life is blessed, it's like i discovered a gold
i have no single fear what so ever, unlike those times i used to believe that if i commit sin i will be cast to Hellfire.
my life was so miserable, i was living in fear, struggling hard to be righteous anytime i ask God for forgiveness
i asked God.for forgiveness like 18 to 20 times a day, i became frustrated
one day i asked myself a question, if humans can give gift to people without expecting anything in return or any form of payment what is the gift there in the salvation God gave me,that he will demanding for forgiveness all the time?
doe's it mean that humans are righteous than God?
i then approached a pastor who elaborated the scritures for me
since that day, i decided to go back to school. as i was getting knowledge and understanding i soon discovered that the reason why i was commiting sin those times was lark of knowledge and understanding
now i find it difficult to commit sin (even though i am not perfect, i am still learning )
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 1:00pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: if u dnt repent, when u die, u will go there.

you will not commit any sin you are already in hellfire, so me and you who is now better? i know you are a Muslim, stop pretending
ahaha ahaaa
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Youngsage: 2:17pm On Sep 23, 2014
sighs...
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 2:20pm On Sep 23, 2014
You need to go n study your Bible correctly and this time ask the holy spirit to teach you not just with your own wisdom .
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 3:07pm On Sep 23, 2014
paxonel:
as a matter of fact i am a living witness. ever since i know that truth do you know that i find it very difficult to commit sin, my life is blessed, it's like i discovered a gold
i have no single fear what so ever, unlike those times i used to believe that if i commit sin i will be cast to Hellfire.
my life was so miserable, i was living in fear, struggling hard to be righteous anytime i ask God for forgiveness
i asked God.for forgiveness like 18 to 20 times a day, i became frustrated
one day i asked myself a question, if humans can give gift to people without expecting anything in return or any form of payment what is the gift there in the salvation God gave me,that he will demanding for forgiveness all the time?
doe's it mean that humans are righteous than God?
i then approached a pastor who elaborated the scritures for me
since that day, i decided to go back to school. as i was getting knowledge and understanding i soon discovered that the reason why i was commiting sin those times was lark of knowledge and understanding
now i find it difficult to commit sin (even though i am not perfect, i am still learning )
Great post.
I know how you must have felt because I have been there.
When I considered the christian teaching on justification, works, grace, faith, imputation of righteousness, predestination, it became too clear that the teaching that a believer could lose salvation(Arminianism) was a BLATANT LIE. The Bible witnesses the same and so do the reformers.

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Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Rich4god(m): 3:14pm On Sep 23, 2014
lol...smiley i cant stop laffing... Ukutsgp served with his own spoon... How does it feel... When I tell you to keep shut and work on your salvation and unity of christianity... You go just dey para like person wey no get bearing... Stop bashing pple faith and believe... Just drop your preaching and leave... You cant achieve true conversion by forcing you teaching/belief on someone...

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Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 4:38pm On Sep 23, 2014
Rich4god: lol...smiley i cant stop laffing... Ukutsgp served with his own spoon... How does it feel... When I tell you to keep shut and work on your salvation and unity of christianity... You go just dey para like person wey no get bearing... Stop bashing pple faith and believe... Just drop your preaching and leave... You cant achieve true conversion by forcing you teaching/belief on someone...
how does this stops the catholic church from being a false religion they were?
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 4:48pm On Sep 23, 2014
paxonel:
as a matter of fact i am a living witness. ever since i know that truth do you know that i find it very difficult to commit sin, my life is blessed, it's like i discovered a gold
i have no single fear what so ever, unlike those times i used to believe that if i commit sin i will be cast to Hellfire.
my life was so miserable, i was living in fear, struggling hard to be righteous anytime i ask God for forgiveness
i asked God.for forgiveness like 18 to 20 times a day, i became frustrated
one day i asked myself a question, if humans can give gift to people without expecting anything in return or any form of payment what is the gift there in the salvation God gave me,that he will demanding for forgiveness all the time?
doe's it mean that humans are righteous than God?
i then approached a pastor who elaborated the scritures for me
since that day, i decided to go back to school. as i was getting knowledge and understanding i soon discovered that the reason why i was commiting sin those times was lark of knowledge and understanding
now i find it difficult to commit sin (even though i am not perfect, i am still learning )
so it was as a result of confessing ur sin to God that was making u entrenched in sin? if had died then, u would have ended up in hell. the wages of sin is death.

but when we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 4:48pm On Sep 23, 2014
paxonel:
as a matter of fact i am a living witness. ever since i know that truth do you know that i find it very difficult to commit sin, my life is blessed, it's like i discovered a gold
i have no single fear what so ever, unlike those times i used to believe that if i commit sin i will be cast to Hellfire.
my life was so miserable, i was living in fear, struggling hard to be righteous anytime i ask God for forgiveness
i asked God.for forgiveness like 18 to 20 times a day, i became frustrated
one day i asked myself a question, if humans can give gift to people without expecting anything in return or any form of payment what is the gift there in the salvation God gave me,that he will demanding for forgiveness all the time?
doe's it mean that humans are righteous than God?
i then approached a pastor who elaborated the scritures for me
since that day, i decided to go back to school. as i was getting knowledge and understanding i soon discovered that the reason why i was commiting sin those times was lark of knowledge and understanding
now i find it difficult to commit sin (even though i am not perfect, i am still learning )
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 5:02pm On Sep 23, 2014
u cant be sinning and expect ur salvation to be intact. God is not a respecter of persons. those that die in their sins are in danger already. they listen to this kind of message and they became lax in their sinful state.

this was same kind of message satan preached to eve in d garden of eden. he told her that they could eat of the forbidden fruit and they will not die but be like God. they ate it and they die a spiritual death.

all sin likewise will lead to spiritual death.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 5:20pm On Sep 23, 2014
1John3:4 states that ‘all sin is
transgression’, in other words, sin in
God’s eyes is WILLFUL transgression of
His law and Commandments. That’s why
scripture can state emphatically that ‘he
who commits sin is of the devil’ 1Jh3:8.
NO ONE who continues to commit acts of
known, willful sin against God’s law is a
Christian nor can he remain a Christian.
However contrary this is to the teaching
of our day and age, it is absolute
scriptural truth and nothing anyone can
say from a pulpit or theological
seminary has any bearing against it. If a
born again person relapses into known
and willful sin he forfeits his faith, plain
and simple. Otherwise the wages of sin
is no longer death and God has become a
respecter of persons, which divides
scripture against itself. The myth that
your future sins are already forgiven
even ‘before’ you commit them, is just
that, a MYTH, invented by the preachers
to keep you comfortable and coming
back for more
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by labot(m): 5:21pm On Sep 23, 2014
Dear Ukutsgp, do you honestly believe you're righteous? You think all your church going, tithe paying, prayer meetings, being good etc makes you righteous? All our righteousness are filth in God's eyes(Psalm 14:2-3, Rom 3:10-12). The only righteous thing we do is believing in Christ and even that is not our effort, it is the gift of God(Ephesians 2:8-10) i.e we can not believe in Christ by ourselves except God makes us believe(John 6:44-45). The good works we do after we accept Christ are all of God's work(Ephesians 2:10, Phillipians 2:13). When we accept Christ through the workings of the Holy Spirit, He instills into us different habits. These new habits, though they may and will develop by practice, are not produced by practice. The Spirit immediately forms the habits for us. Such is regeneration. We now have desires and thoughts we never had before. The Holy Spirit has regenerated us and changed our minds and when we sin, the Holy Spirit makes us realize our sins and we regret committing those sins. The Holy Spirit helps us abandon our sinful ways and we gradually become better people but we can never become completely sinless as long as we're in this flesh(1 John 5:16) not until the day of glorification. Yes Once Saved, Always Saved is biblical(John 5:24, 6:37-40, 6:44-47, 10:27-29, Phillipians 1:6, 2 Thessalonians 3:3, 1 Peter 1:3-5). Our salvation from beginning to end is all of God's work(Hebrews 12:2). God bless you.

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Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 5:31pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: u cant be sinning and expect ur salvation to be intact. God is not a respecter of persons. those that die in their sins are in danger already. they listen to this kind of message and they became lax in their sinful state.

this was same kind of message satan preached to eve in d garden of eden. he told her that they could eat of the forbidden fruit and they will not die but be like God. they ate it and they die a spiritual death.

all sin likewise will lead to spiritual death.
Get it right! Just as Christ's death was once and for all, so is the believer's justification. Therefore when we ask for forgiveness, we are not asking for a re-justification or a re-saving, rather we are asking for a restoration of fellowship. We were not saved for our good works, neither are we saved by our present good works. Neither is our salvation PROVISIONAL to be ratified by how well we are able to live. SALVATION is absolutely by grace.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 5:31pm On Sep 23, 2014
labot: Dear Ukutsgp, do you honestly believe you're righteous? You think all your church going, tithe paying, prayer meetings, being good etc makes you righteous? All our righteousness are filth in God's eyes(Psalm 14:2-3, Rom 3:10-12). The only righteous thing we do is believing in Christ and even that is not our effort, it is the gift of God(Ephesians 2:8-10) i.e we can not believe in Christ by ourselves except God makes us believe(John 6:44-45). The good works we do after we accept Christ are all of God's work(Ephesians 2:10, Phillipians 2:13). When we accept Christ through the workings of the Holy Spirit, He instills into us different habits. These new habits, though they may and will develop by practice, are not produced by practice. The Spirit immediately forms the habits for us. Such is regeneration. We now have desires and thoughts we never had before. The Holy Spirit has regenerated us and changed our minds and when we sin, the Holy Spirit makes us realize our sins and we regret committing those sins. The Holy Spirit helps us abandon our sinful ways and we gradually become better people but we can never become completely sinless as long as we're in this flesh(1 John 5:16) not until the day of glorification. Yes Once Saved, Always Saved is biblical(John 5:24, 6:37-40, 6:44-47, 10:27-29, Phillipians 1:6, 2 Thessalonians 3:3, 1 Peter 1:3-5). Our salvation from beginning to end is all of God's work(Hebrews 12:2). God bless you.
don't argue with him it is useless, he is a Muslim. now i know that deeper life is Islam in christianity
they don't believe in Jesus, they believe in their works
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 5:33pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp:
1John3:4 states that ‘all sin is
transgression’, in other words, sin in
God’s eyes is WILLFUL transgression of
His law and Commandments. That’s why
scripture can state emphatically that ‘he
who commits sin is of the devil’ 1Jh3:8.
NO ONE who continues to commit acts of
known, willful sin against God’s law is a
Christian nor can he remain a Christian.
However contrary this is to the teaching
of our day and age, it is absolute
scriptural truth and nothing anyone can
say from a pulpit or theological
seminary has any bearing against it. If a
born again person relapses into known
and willful sin he forfeits his faith, plain
and simple. Otherwise the wages of sin
is no longer death and God has become a
respecter of persons, which divides
scripture against itself. The myth that
your future sins are already forgiven
even ‘before’ you commit them, is just
that, a MYTH, invented by the preachers
to keep you comfortable and coming
back for more
Muslim
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 5:34pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: u cant be sinning and expect ur salvation to be intact. God is not a respecter of persons. those that die in their sins are in danger already. they listen to this kind of message and they became lax in their sinful state.

this was same kind of message satan preached to eve in d garden of eden. he told her that they could eat of the forbidden fruit and they will not die but be like God. they ate it and they die a spiritual death.

all sin likewise will lead to spiritual death.
Muslim like you, you are condemned already
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Rich4god(m): 5:34pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: how does this stops the catholic church from being a false religion they were?
You rants and hatred wont stop good and devouted catholics from making it to heaven... Btw, its seems as if you are the final judge of God, cos all you keep saying is "you are going to hell"... Na wa... Is there joy in saying that... I pity you... With the way you are going, you may end up being some where you dont like. You are just like the poor man in the bible that keep elevating himself while praying instead of concentrating on the simplicity of prayer.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 5:36pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: so it was as a result of confessing ur sin to God that was making u entrenched in sin? if had died then, u would have ended up in hell. the wages of sin is death.

but when we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
i don't argue with a Muslim like you, it is useless
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 5:37pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: so it was as a result of confessing ur sin to God that was making u entrenched in sin? if had died then, u would have ended up in hell. the wages of sin is death.

but when we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Muslim
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 5:42pm On Sep 23, 2014
Rich4god: You rants and hatred wont stop good and devouted catholics from making it to heaven... Btw, its seems as if you are the final judge of God, cos all you keep saying is "you are going to hell"... Na wa... Is there joy in saying that... I pity you... With the way you are going, you may end up being some where you dont like. You are just like the poor man in the bible that keep elevating himself while praying instead of concentrating on the simplicity of prayer.
being in dat false religion already spelt danger for u. i dnt know why u always opposed the truth. u and ur gangs
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 5:44pm On Sep 23, 2014
labot: Dear Ukutsgp, do you honestly believe you're righteous? You think all your church going, tithe paying, prayer meetings, being good etc makes you righteous? All our righteousness are filth in God's eyes(Psalm 14:2-3, Rom 3:10-12). The only righteous thing we do is believing in Christ and even that is not our effort, it is the gift of God(Ephesians 2:8-10) i.e we can not believe in Christ by ourselves except God makes us believe(John 6:44-45). The good works we do after we accept Christ are all of God's work(Ephesians 2:10, Phillipians 2:13). When we accept Christ through the workings of the Holy Spirit, He instills into us different habits. These new habits, though they may and will develop by practice, are not produced by practice. The Spirit immediately forms the habits for us. Such is regeneration. We now have desires and thoughts we never had before. The Holy Spirit has regenerated us and changed our minds and when we sin, the Holy Spirit makes us realize our sins and we regret committing those sins. The Holy Spirit helps us abandon our sinful ways and we gradually become better people but we can never become completely sinless as long as we're in this flesh(1 John 5:16) not until the day of glorification. Yes Once Saved, Always Saved is biblical(John 5:24, 6:37-40, 6:44-47, 10:27-29, Phillipians 1:6, 2 Thessalonians 3:3, 1 Peter 1:3-5). Our salvation from beginning to end is all of God's work(Hebrews 12:2). God bless you.
Completely endorsed.
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Rich4god(m): 5:44pm On Sep 23, 2014
Ukutsgp: being in dat false religion already spelt danger for u. i dnt know why u always opposed the truth. u and ur gangs
Shey yours is the true religion abi... Well, enjoy your heaven alone...
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 5:44pm On Sep 23, 2014
paxonel:
Muslim like you, you are condemned already
i pity u. are u d one who made me a Muslim?
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 5:48pm On Sep 23, 2014
paxonel:
Muslim
grin
Why do you call him that?
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 5:48pm On Sep 23, 2014
paxonel:
Muslim
who made me a muslim?

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