"The Christian religion in the 3rd century made no compromise with any of the pagan religions and kept far away from the numerous intersections out of which, under the influence of the monotheistic philosophy of religion, a now religiousness developed itself. But the spirit of this religiousness entered into the Church and produced forms of expression in doctrine and cultus to correspond with itself. The testament of primitive Christianity-the Holy Scriptures-and the testament of antiquity-the New-Platonic speculation-were by the end of the 3d century intimately and, as it seemed, inseparably united in the great churches of the East. Through the acceptance of the Logos- Christology as the central dogma of the Church, the Church doctrine was, even for the laity, firmly rooted in the soil of Hellenism. Thereby it became a mystery to the great majority of Christians" (Outlines of the History of Dogma, Adolf Harnack, p193).

"At first the Christian Faith was not trinitarian. It was not so in the Apostolic and sub-Apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and of the early Christian writings [Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics]."

"The doctrine of the trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation. It had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures. It grew up, and was engrafted on Christianity, through the hands of the Platonizing Fathers. [The Church of the First Three Centuries]."

"Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it ... From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity" (The Story of Civilization, Caesar and Christ, Will Durant, Part III, 1944, p. 595).

"The trinity "is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and ingrafted on the Christian faith" (A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge, Lyman Abbott, 1875, p944).

"Precisely what the doctrine is, or precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves" (A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge" (Lyman Abbott, 1875, p. 944).

"The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, and, though used by Tertullian in the last decade of the 2nd century, it did not find a place formally in the theology of the Church till the 4th century" (New Bible Dictionary, J. D. Douglas & F. F. Bruce, Trinity, p 1298).

The trinity: "is a very marked feature in Hindooism, and is discernible in Persian, Egyptian, Roman, Japanese, Indian and the most ancient Grecian mythologies" (Religious Dictionary, Lyman Abbott, p944).

"Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity ... theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity. In the immediate post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the God-Christ (Father-Son) relationship in ontological terms" (The Encyclopedia of Religion, Mircea Eliade, Trinity, Vol 15, p53-57).

"Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: "Hear, 0 Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" (Deut. 6:4). ... Thus, the New Testament established the basis for the doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies" (Encyclopedia Britannica, Trinity, Vol. X, p.126, 1979).

"The New Testament does not contain a formalized explanation of the trinity that uses such words as trinity, three persons, one substance, and the like" (Why You Should Believe In The Trinity, 1989, Robert M. Bowman Jr.).

"The Trinity. The NT does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. "The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence and therefore in an equal sense God himself" (New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Brown, Colin, 1932, God, vol 2, p84, J. Schneider).

"When we turn to the problem of the doctrine of the Trinity, we are confronted by a peculiarly contradictory situation. On the one hand, the history of Christian theology and of dogma teaches us to regard the dogma of the Trinity as the distinctive element in the Christian idea of God, that which distinguishes it from the idea of God in Judaism and in Islam, and indeed, in all forms of rational Theism. Judaism, Islam, and rational Theism are Unitarian. On the other hand, we must honestly admit that the doctrine of the Trinity did NOT form part of the early Christian-New Testament-message. Certainly, it cannot be denied that not only the word "Trinity", but even the EXPLICIT IDEA of the Trinity is absent from the apostolic witness of the faith.. The doctrine of the Trinity itself, however, is not a Biblical Doctrine" (Emil Brunner, "The Christian Doctrine of God", Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1949, pp. 205 & 236).

"All this underlines the point that primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds of the early church" (James L. Barker, "Apostacy From the Divine Church", Salt Lake City UT, 1960, p. 44).

"Thus the New Testament itself is far from any doctrine of the Trinity or of a triune God who is three co-equal Persons of One Nature" (William J. Hill, "The Three-Personed God", Washington DC, The Catholic University of America Press, 1982, p. 27).

"These passages give no doctrine of the Trinity... Paul has no formal Trinitarian doctrine and no clear-cut realization of a Trinitarian problem......there is no trinitarian doctrine in the Synoptics or Acts... nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead" (Fortman, "Triune God", pp. 22-23).

"In order to argue sucessfully for the unconditionality and permanence of the ancient Trinitarian Creeds, it is necessary to make a distinction between doctrines, on the one hand, and on the terminology and conceptuality in which they were formulated on the other... Some of the crucial concepts employed by these creeds, such as "substance", "person", and "in two natures" are postbiblical novelties. If these particular notions are essential, the doctrines of these creeds are clearly conditional, dependent on the LATE HELLENISTIC MILIEU" (George A. Lindbeck, Professon of Historical Theology, Yale University, "The Nature of Doctrine", Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1984, p. 92).

Trinitarian discussion, Roman Catholic as well as others, presents a somewhat unsteady sillouette. Two things have happened. There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Bibical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, that one should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century" (R.L.Richard, "Trinity, Holy", in New Catholic Encyclopedia, 15 vols.).

"The concept of three divine persons-Father, son, and Holy Spirit united in one Godhead-came into Christianity, not via the Bible, but from philosophical categories of the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. ...It baffles and repels modern man, who misses the nuances of the Greek ('Prosopon') in which the doctrine was formulated and therefore concludes, mistakenly, that Christianity preaches a kind of polytheism. ...Nothing essential would be lost and much clarity would be gained if Christians abandoned traditional Trinitarian terminology and simply spoke of God acting as the Creator and sustainer of the universe, revealing Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, or dwelling within men as a holy spirit" (Bishop James A. Pike, Denver Post, August 28, 1965).

"The trinitarian doctrine is pagan. The idea of three gods is paganism and comes from polythiesm and pantheism. The overwhelming majority of trinitarian scholars admit the trinity is not Biblical, did not exist in the Apostolic age, and was developed over a period of 295 years. It appears to be the basic doctrine of the gnostic sect called the Nicolatines in Revelation chapters 2 and 3. While it is true that many trinitarians confess the trinity doctrine came from paganism, they elect to believe it, remain in it, because that is where their employment is. The doctrine of salvation by faith (mind religion) allows for belief in paganism with no threat to salvation. Thus, these have no invested interest to identify the paganism of the trinity as a damnable philosophy. They also have no interest in actually saying the tinity is pagan and comes from paganism. They will skirt this declaration to say only that it is not in the Old Testament, not intended in the New Tesament, was not known by Jesus or the Apostles, and was developed over nearly three centuries. To protect their jobs, their reputations, and to remain financially secure, they will support the trinity doctrine. So, for anyone to say that there are no trinitarian scholars of repute who confess the trinity came from pagan sources, is falsehood. And for anyone to labor to prove the trinity did not come from pagan sources, shows a total disregard and disrespect for the God of the Bible" (The Trinity Doctrine Is Pagan, Cohen G. Reckart, Pastor; Copyright 1995).

We confess that the Father is Jesus come in the flesh as Emmanuel, God (the Father) with us. Therefore we confess both the Father and the Son; ...that when you see Jesus you also see the Father, ...that Jesus and the Father were not one in a trinitarian unity, but in a oneness of Godhead. Jesus was not a Son in a Son, but the Father in the Son. That is the truth of the incarnation. Here we receive the revelation of Jesus being Emmanuel, God with us.

Since there is only one God, Jesus is God (the express image), made visible in human form, in which we can look upon him as Thomas and say: *My Lord and my God.*

Since we are created in the image of God with soul (spirit), and body, we see that God also can have a body and a soul (spirit) and be one person in Messieh even as we are one person and not three persons in our one body. Therefore we are a three-fold being, and by manifestation one person. Likewise, God is revealed in a three-fold manifestation and as the one person of Messieh.

This revelation destroys the attempt by Mystery Babylon to incorporate the mystery of Nimrod's pagan trinity, which to cover their contradictions with Scripture, claim no one can understand but must accept by faith? Or as one minister previously stated: *If you try to understand the trinity you will lose your mind, but if you don't believe it, you will lose your soul.*

JAM 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

If the devil knows there is only one God, why should we believe in three and say they are only three separate persons but yet one God in unity? Is this not a convoluted theological mess?

eparation from the trinity doctrine is a GREAT step of coming out of Mystery Babylon. The choice is ours. Stay in or come out.

This lesson was not constructed or designed to deny that a person loves God. There are several who love God and who are actively involved in their Churches. I have met many hundreds of good people who after learning of the pagan source of the trinity doctrine, have asked God to lead them to a New Testament congregation where they can express their full faith and beliefs, not just those of Catholic or Protestant Catholic Churches.

Should you elect to pursue this subject, be advised that most Pastors deny what they do not know. Like a lot of Freemasons who belong to their satanic lodges and don'know they are in a cult; so there are many in several Churches advocating the trinity and do not know the Catholic trinity cult had its birth among Christians Churches at Nicaea in 325 AD under a pagan emperor sitting as the first pope of the new-born Catholic Church. The Mystery of Babylon against the True Church of Jesus Messieh came from Babylon to Israel to Alexandria, Egypt, and then by Athanasius to Nicaea.

First, return to the Scriptures. Second, believe that God is one. Third, study the Scriptures that prove Messieh is God. Fourth, accept the authority of the Scriptures above the philosophers and deceivers of Rome and her daughters. Fifth, begin to confess your faith in the oneness of God by witnessing to others.

Op, this is much academic activity not for discovery but to substantiate your belief. In other words you already had your conclusion before embarking on a literature review! However, I'd urge you to seek the Lord and His Word with an open mind on the subject.

How would you apply your claims to a basic verse as John 3:16," For God so loved the World , that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"? Else can you grant us your own exegesis of Isaiah 53? Or can you, in the light of your treatise, clarify Philippians 2:5-11,
"5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

6 Though he was God,[a]
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges[b];
he took the humble position of a slave[c]
and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,[d]
8 he humbled himself in obedience to God
and died a criminal’s death on a cross.
9 Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
and gave him the name above all other names,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11[b] and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.[/b]

bingbagbo:
"The Christian religion in the 3rd century made no compromise with any of the pagan religions and kept far away from the numerous intersections out of which, under the influence of the monotheistic philosophy of religion, a now religiousness developed itself. But the spirit of this religiousness entered into the Church and produced forms of expression in doctrine and cultus to correspond with itself. The testament of primitive Christianity-the Holy Scriptures-and the testament of antiquity-the New-Platonic speculation-were by the end of the 3d century intimately and, as it seemed, inseparably united in the great churches of the East. Through the acceptance of the Logos- Christology as the central dogma of the Church, the Church doctrine was, even for the laity, firmly rooted in the soil of Hellenism. Thereby it became a mystery to the great majority of Christians" (Outlines of the History of Dogma, Adolf Harnack, p193).

"At first the Christian Faith was not trinitarian. It was not so in the Apostolic and sub-Apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and of the early Christian writings [Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics]."

Regarding the bolded, error is what you get when you do your research using the wrong sources and a biased mind (instead of the Bible itself while depending on the Holy Spirit) ; consider the prayer of the early church and explain the highlighted text in the light of the bolded in your post:
"24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: 25 who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 for to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. 29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, 30 by stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

Or how would you explain this,"Matthew 22:44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?"

Or this,"1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one".

Scholar8200:

Regarding the bolded, error is what you get when you do your research using the wrong sources and a biased mind (instead of the Bible itself while depending on the Holy Spirit) ; consider the prayer of the early church and explain the highlighted text in the light of the bolded in your post:
"24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: 25 who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 for to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. 29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, 30 by stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

Or how would you explain this,"Matthew 22:44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?"

Or this,"1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one".

pray!

bingbagbo:
Abuse us if you will, but to us there is one God, and as Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, he is the LORD GOD. we are proud to be persecuted, denied, and hated for the name of Jesus Christ.

Emotionalism.

Truly the Son isn't the Father,
He is God though.

bingbagbo:
Abuse us if you will, but to us there is one God, and as Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, he is the LORD GOD. we are proud to be persecuted, denied, and hated for the name of Jesus Christ.

You deny the Father and the Son are two persons, two beings.
You say the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are one person, proof you are blinded.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He who denies the Father and the Son is antichrist.

bingbagbo:
Abuse us if you will, but to us there is one God, and as Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, he is the LORD GOD. we are proud to be persecuted, denied, and hated for the name of Jesus Christ.

Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Lord in that verse is:
kurios, supreme in authority, God, and it is referring to Jesus.
In the New Testament Jesus - the Son, is from the word "kurios"
In the New Testament God - the Father, is from the word "theos"
as in:
Rev_3:12 Him who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will go out no more. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name.

both words "kurios" and "theos" mean the One God: Supreme, God.
The reason they are given diffrent titles or names is because they are diffrent persons - beings, in the One God,
just as John 1:1 and many other verses say.

For those who have ears to hear, and eyes to see,
who God hasn't blinded for their unbelief.

Some follow Jesus,
some want followers.

On another note, jw say Jesus is not God, but "a god".
However the Bible tells us that Jesus is indeed God.

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says Jesus is a curse, and that no one can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Lord in that verse is:
kurios, supreme in authority, God.

not "a god".

jw has not the Holy Spirit, but that shouldn't be news to most.

johnw74:
On another note, jw say Jesus is not God, but "a god".
However the Bible tells us that Jesus is indeed God.

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says Jesus is a curse, and that no one can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Lord in that verse is:
kurios, supreme in authority, God.

not "a god".

jw has not the Holy Spirit, but that shouldn't be news to most.

keep deceiving yourself on here you adherent of nicean creed presided over by an unbeliever

1 Corinthians 2:8

Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Psalm 24:10

Who is this King of glory? Lord Jehovah of hosts, he is the venerable King to eternity!

Open your spiritual eyes folks and dont be blinded by useless traditions of men

johnw74:


Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Lord in that verse is:
kurios, supreme in authority, God, and it is referring to Jesus.
In the New Testament Jesus - the Son, is from the word "kurios"
In the New Testament God - the Father, is from the word "theos"
as in:
Rev_3:12 Him who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will go out no more. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name.

both words "kurios" and "theos" mean the One God: Supreme, God.
The reason they are given diffrent titles or names is because they are diffrent persons - beings, in the One God,
just as John 1:1 and many other verses say.

For those who have ears to hear, and eyes to see,
who God hasn't blinded for their unbelief.

see plain lies from a nigerian who doesnt even understand Greek all in the name of false doctrine of men,

Rom. 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

2 Pet. 1:1 To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known

Mr Greek grammarian, you see your frustrations?...are the GOD in the verses above also kurios?

2 Peter 2:1

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will[b] secretly[/b] introduce[b] destructive heresies,[/b] even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on

themselves.

open your eyes

Revelation 4:2

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one [/b]sat on the throne.

NB: NOT 3 SAT ON THE THRONE, BECAUSE GOD IS ONE.

PLAIN TRUTH

John 4:22

[b]You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

In his first two books (De trinitatis erroribus, and Dialogues on the Trinity plus the supplementary De Iustitia Regni Christi) Servetus rejected the classical conception of the Trinity, stating that it was not based on the Bible. He argued that[b] it arose from teachings of Greek philosophers, and he advocated a return to the simplicity of the Gospels and the teachings of the early Church Fathers that he believed pre-dated the development of Nicene trinitarianism[/b]. Servetus hoped that the dismissal of the trinitarian dogma would make Christianity more appealing to believers in Judaism and Islam, which had preserved the unity of God in their teachings. According to Servetus, trinitarians had turned Christianity into a form of "tritheism", or belief in three gods. Servetus affirmed that the divine Logos, the manifestation of God and not a separate divine Person, was incarnated in a human being, Jesus, when God's spirit came into the womb of the Virgin Mary. Only from the moment of conception was the Son actually generated. Therefore, although the Logos from which He was formed was eternal, the Son was not Himself eternal. For this reason, Servetus always rejected calling Christ the "eternal Son of God" but rather called him "the Son of the eternal God."

NOTE: On October 27, 1553 John Calvin, the founder of Calvinism, had Michael Servetus, the Spanish physician, burned at the stake just outside of Geneva for his doctrinal beliefs!

Remember calvin himself was a trinitarian who interestingly submitted this quote about the trinity

Calvin states:

If, therefore, these terms [traditional trinitarian terms] were not rashly invented, we ought to beware lest by repudiating them we be accused of overweening rashness. Indeed, I could wish they were buried, if only among all men this faith were agreed on: that Father and Son and Spirit are one God, yet the Son is not the Father, nor the Spirit the Son, but that they are differentiated by a peculiar quality

OPEN YOUR EYES

I wish op will strongly consider John 1:18 he quoted,"
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

and Daniel 7: 9-13,
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him... 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

The understanding of a Mystery comes by revelation op.Ephesians 3:3," how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery;" Not a recourse to internet and un-inspired reasonings of men that seem to confirm your conclusion.

bingbagbo:


see plain lies from a nigerian who doesnt even understand Greek all in the name of false doctrine of men,

Rom. 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

2 Pet. 1:1 To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known

Mr Greek grammarian, you see your frustrations?...are the GOD in the verses above also kurios?

No, God in those verses is not kurios but theos because God in those verses is not the Word - Jesus Christ, but God the Father.
And you have sought out bad translations to try and support your bad doctrines.

Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God (Father) blessed for ever. Amen.

Christ is Father blessed forever.

2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God (the Father) and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God (the Father) at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

keep deceiving yourself on here you adherent of nicean creed presided over by an unbeliever

1 Corinthians 2:8

Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Psalm 24:10

Who is this King of glory? Lord Jehovah of hosts, he is the venerable King to eternity!

Open your spiritual eyes folks and dont be blinded by useless traditions of men

2 Peter 2:1

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will[b] secretly[/b] introduce[b] destructive heresies,[/b] even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on

themselves.

open your eyes

You are typically still confused.
It's not suprising that a false doctrine teacher, would also be a false accuser.
Truly, the Son is not the Father.
Truly, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not one person.
God is One, means One God,
One Spirit.

johnw74:


No, God in those verses is not kurios but theos because God in those verses is not the Word - Jesus Christ, but God the Father.
And you have sought out bad translations to try and support your bad doctrines.

Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God (Father) blessed for ever. Amen.

Christ is Father blessed forever.

2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God (the Father) and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God (the Father) at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.



You are typically still confused.
It's not suprising that a false doctrine teacher, would also be a false accuser.
Truly, the Son is not the Father.
Truly, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not one person.
God is One, means One God,
One Spirit.

a real confused man right here

John 14:7–9

8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? lHe who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

JESUS IS CLEARLY TELLING YOU HE IS THE FATHER, YET YOU SAY NO, JESUS I DONT BELIEVE YOU. I RATHER BELIEVE CONSTANTINE. PATHETIC!!!

bingbagbo:



a real confused man right here

John 14:7–9

8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? lHe who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

JESUS IS CLEARLY TELLING YOU HE IS THE FATHER, YET YOU SAY NO, JESUS I DONT BELIEVE YOU. I RATHER BELIEVE CONSTANTINE. PATHETIC!!!

We know from scripture that Jesus is the Son of God,
so Jesus is not saying there that He is the Father,
Jesus is saying He and the Father are One, they are God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God is the Father,
the Word is the Son,


Christians are interested in knowing the Truth,
you are interested in trying to score points for yourself,
and you fail miserably there too, searching for wrong bible translations even.

You don't believe the bible,
you change what is says,
and you even try to make theos (the Father) to be not Him at all, but saying it's referring to Jesus.

You supported jw in saying Jesus is "a god".

johnw74: On another note, jw say Jesus is not God, but "a god".
However the Bible tells us that Jesus is indeed God.

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says Jesus is a curse, and that no one can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Lord in that verse is:
kurios, supreme in authority, God.

not "a god".

jw has not the Holy Spirit, but that shouldn't be news to most.

bingbagbo:
keep deceiving yourself on here you adherent of nicean creed presided over by an unbeliever

https://www.nairaland.com/2985012/trinity-real

This should clear some of your doubts