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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by Nobody: 5:32pm On May 06, 2015
ichidodo:
There is no need destroying BH's bastards afterall these jihadists fought for principles highly advocated by the illiterate Daura nomad, the least that can be done is to ferry these girls to Saudi Arabia for safe delivery and quatering all on the proceeds of ND crude oil.......
Damn! Your family should be ashamed of u because u are embarrassing them publicly. Every one is making sense with their post except u, I pity any one related to u because u are nothing but an Id*iot sadist.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by kristisking(m): 5:33pm On May 06, 2015
No,let her give birth to the child after which they will be rehabilitated.Abortion is never the option unless the life of the mother is seriously at risk.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by miembamish(m): 5:33pm On May 06, 2015
Dah!!! Abort jhor!!!

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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by tbaba1234: 5:34pm On May 06, 2015
Islamically, in the case of rape, abortion can be permitted particularly within the first few months especially when the lady suffers emotional and psychological torture as a result.

According to islamqa:

One of the basic principles of Islam is to relieve distress and hardship, so if a Muslim girl who is keen to remain chaste is exposed to bestial aggression and fears the effect that this may have on her reputation or her honour, or fears that she may be an outcast or that she may be subjected to harm such as being killed, or she fears that she may suffer psychological or nervous diseases, or that her sanity may be affected, or that shame may be brought upon her family for a matter in which she is not guilty of any sin, or that the child will not find any place of safety, then I say: that if this is the case, there is nothing wrong with her aborting the foetus before the soul is breathed into it, especially when it has become easy for a woman to find out if she is pregnant or not, with the advance of medical means of detecting pregnancy in the first week. The earlier the abortion is carried out, the more appropriate this concession is. And Allaah knows best.

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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by frank317: 5:35pm On May 06, 2015
ayoku777:


Sentiments apart, there is no scriptural justification for abortion; only emotional justification.

Unfortunately, we live in a world now that suffering for righteousness sake is now farfetched for many. People can go through physical pain for money, endure psychological stress for fame; but doing something painful but pleasing to God is now too great a demand.

Abortion is murder; pre-meditated murder. It is termination of a life and a destiny.

With God, there is no such thing as unwanted pregnancy. It may be unwanted for the mother but not for God. Once a baby is conceived, he already has an identity and a destiny with God.

Jeremiah 1v5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

From the moment we are conceived in the womb, God already knows us and has ordained a calling for our lives. Meaning every baby in the womb already has an identity and a destiny before God. To abort it is not just to terminate a life but also to truncate an ordained destiny.

Luke 1v15 -For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, EVEN FROM HIS MOTHER'S WOMB.

The Holy Spirit does not fill things or objects, the Holy Spirit fills people and persons. If the Holy Spirit could fill a baby in the womb, it means a baby in the womb is already a person before God, not a thing.

To abort a baby in the womb is tantamount to killing a person. You might as well deliver the baby first and strangle it to death. It's the same thing before God.

If the mother doesn't want the baby because of the circumstance of his conception; I believe that there are some religious bodies that are into child care charities that can take care of the baby. There are also motherless babies homes funded by secular NGOs that can take up the responsibility. Not to talk of countless childless couples who would not mind adopting the babies.

All these are if the mother's say they don't want the babies. And I'm sure some of them may even change their minds when they deliver.

There have been instances where a pregnant woman claimed a pregnancy is unwanted and will give him up for adoption, only to change her mind after delivering the baby, as a fountain of love she never knew she had or was capable of gushed out towards the baby. And was willing to do anything for that baby afterwards, not minding the circumstances of his conception.

And there were other cases where the child was even given up for adoption; only for the mother to start longing and pinning for the baby months or years later.

Abortion should not even be an option much less a last option. If we really know the power of God; and how capable He is of healing our physical, emotional and psychological pains; we will realise that abortion need not be an option at all; it is an error of decision.

That's why the bible says; Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. -Matthew 22v29

Saying children of rape don't deserve to live is an emotional rant, not a scriptural or godly opinion. I know its not easy, but nobody ever said obeying God is. Christianity is about obedience not convenience.

Shalom.

To ur God, the end justifies the means. Of course the life of a brainless formless foetus in the womb is more important than the multiple trauma and molestation these women must have gone through

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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by Nobody: 5:35pm On May 06, 2015
I think abortion will be the best solution for both the parents and the unborn child. Bringing them to this world may result to stigmatising and it will have a bad influence on them.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by jmoore(m): 5:36pm On May 06, 2015
Justfollowit:


I am Ode!


I know nah.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by Nobody: 5:38pm On May 06, 2015
Scholar8200:
It's best to keep the pregnancy for the following reasons:
1. The unborn child is completely innocent and , with good training, will not take after its father;
2. Abortion is tantamount to murder. The world will cry out if a criminal's 7 months old baby is taken to be executed with him in the firing squad;calling for the murder of the unborn babies because of their fathers' sin should also be denounced .
3. The abortion could result in the death of the mother; what then?
4. The abortion could lead to serious health complications/infertility for the mother; what then?
5. The child,if allowed to live, may become the consolation for its mother, rising above a dark background, refusing to be limited/defined by same; why not?

Assuming u are a father to one of the girls
Will all this that you have written prevail...
Jus asking

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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by boxypane(m): 5:38pm On May 06, 2015
Hmm... They should undergo serious psychological therapy. They should be able to decide themselves. Those that inflicted such pain!!!!!!
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by ichidodo: 5:39pm On May 06, 2015
sameer1212:
[s]Damn! Your family should be ashamed of u because u are embarrassing them publicly. Every one is making sense with their post except u, I pity any one related to u because u are nothing but an Id*iot sadist.[/s]
Shattap..Bastardé.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by dammytosh: 5:40pm On May 06, 2015
soopamom:
Abortion is either right or wrong, there is no such thing as "in this instance". Dont kill is dont kill, it's not okay to kill just because you were raped or because a child's father is boko haram or bla bla bla. Abi is it the pregnancy that is responsible for your rape?

Very easy to say until as a lady, you are raped by a close cousin or kidnapped by Boko Haram

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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by kayusbrown(m): 5:40pm On May 06, 2015
ayoku777:


Sentiments apart, there is no scriptural justification for abortion; only emotional justification.

Unfortunately, we live in a world now that suffering for righteousness sake is now farfetched for many. People can go through physical pain for money, endure psychological stress for fame; but doing something painful but pleasing to God is now too great a demand.

Abortion is murder; pre-meditated murder. It is termination of a life and a destiny.

With God, there is no such thing as unwanted pregnancy. It may be unwanted for the mother but not for God. Once a baby is conceived, he already has an identity and a destiny with God.

Jeremiah 1v5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

From the moment we are conceived in the womb, God already knows us and has ordained a calling for our lives. Meaning every baby in the womb already has an identity and a destiny before God. To abort it is not just to terminate a life but also to truncate an ordained destiny.

Luke 1v15 -For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, EVEN FROM HIS MOTHER'S WOMB.

The Holy Spirit does not fill things or objects, the Holy Spirit fills people and persons. If the Holy Spirit could fill a baby in the womb, it means a baby in the womb is already a person before God, not a thing.

To abort a baby in the womb is tantamount to killing a person. You might as well deliver the baby first and strangle it to death. It's the same thing before God.

If the mother doesn't want the baby because of the circumstance of his conception; I believe that there are some religious bodies that are into child care charities that can take care of the baby. There are also motherless babies homes funded by secular NGOs that can take up the responsibility. Not to talk of countless childless couples who would not mind adopting the babies.

All these are if the mother's say they don't want the babies. And I'm sure some of them may even change their minds when they deliver.

There have been instances where a pregnant woman claimed a pregnancy is unwanted and will give him up for adoption, only to change her mind after delivering the baby, as a fountain of love she never knew she had or was capable of gushed out towards the baby. And was willing to do anything for that baby afterwards, not minding the circumstances of his conception.

And there were other cases where the child was even given up for adoption; only for the mother to start longing and pinning for the baby months or years later.

Abortion should not even be an option much less a last option. If we really know the power of God; and how capable He is of healing our physical, emotional and psychological pains; we will realise that abortion need not be an option at all; it is an error of decision.

That's why the bible says; Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. -Matthew 22v29

Saying children of rape don't deserve to live is an emotional rant, not a scriptural or godly opinion. I know its not easy, but nobody ever said obeying God is. Christianity is about obedience not convenience.

Shalom.

Fundamentalism.

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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by Nobody: 5:41pm On May 06, 2015
Well, there are a lot of factors one has to consider before an abortion such as the:
-age of the girl
-age of the fetus
-health of both
-financial state of the family
-mental and emotional state of the mother, etc.

Most likely after considering these and many more, the best thing to do will be to terminate the pregnancy
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by felixawe(m): 5:42pm On May 06, 2015
Na waoh, God take control .
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by Octaves(m): 5:43pm On May 06, 2015
In my opinion, abortion is never right. The babies are innocent and as much as it is hard to carry the product of rape, it will even be more traumatic for the mother esp in the future to lose her baby. Even though it's hard, they should manage and give birth. They can now give them up for adoption. If it's right to kill a baby a 3 months, it will also be right to kill a baby at 9 mnths and immediately after it's born. But it's not right.
#pro-life
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by razz0: 5:44pm On May 06, 2015
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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by chinedu23(m): 5:46pm On May 06, 2015
In this case its a personal decision
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by JoeCutie(m): 5:46pm On May 06, 2015
Between two evils, you choose the lesser one. In this situation, I think keeping the pregnancy is by far a risk and by implication, the higher evil.

Abortion, to me, is justified in this situation. There's this psychological effect it will have on these young girls when - if they go ahead and deliver those babies - they look at the babies. My major argument here is; keeping the pregnancy and consequently, giving birth to those babies might go a long way in destroying both the mothers and the babies. It's quite simple because these girls are not going to care for these babies - not from their heart at least. Both the girls and the babies won't be able to bring the required happiness to each other. It's just going to be just a pathetic and boring life. Would I want that for my baby and I? No. I'd go for the lesser evil - abortion. So, here, you have to apply what we call the 'Situation Ethics'. They should go ahead and abort their pregnancies. It's justified.

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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by Nobody: 5:47pm On May 06, 2015
MY OPINION!
I'm against abortion because you're killing an innocent child and also risking your life, anyone who aborts a baby is a murderer. I'd say keep the child, I know the girl/woman may not be financially stable, I know the child may remind her of the pain she went through, I know. If you don't want to keep the baby you can take it to any orphanage home around. There are a lot of people trying to make babies but they can't. Help them out by taking unwanted babies to orphanage homes. They deserve a chance.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by Scholar8200(m): 5:48pm On May 06, 2015
emperorceaser:


Assuming u are a father to one of the girls
Will all this that you have written prevail...
Jus asking
Yes. I've been there in a way.(though not by BH)
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by zicoy6k: 5:49pm On May 06, 2015
IMO, the summary of the solution this problem is love. If we and the victims understand God's love towards us and are able to express such depth of love then we would not see abortion as an option. Don't ask me for explanation. Search the bible and you will see the depth of love God has for us.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by BOWOTO(m): 5:51pm On May 06, 2015
yinkard4me:
some of them are physically and financially ok to raise a child. i want answers on its religious implications. thats why i took it here
Non of them is financialy okay to raise the child.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by nkemdi89(f): 5:51pm On May 06, 2015
The only reason why they should under go abortion is only when the lives of either the mother or child is at risk, apart from that aborting the child can't cure the trauma suffered by the mother, neither keeping the child will compensate the mother. The important factor is to protect the live of the unborn child and also to assisting the mother in living a normal live again. If the burden is too much for the family adoption is a better option. Though in our society today abortion is rampant among females of today due to the level of pre marital sex most indulge in. Also abortion is not legalised in our society.for those saying they will also give birth to bh,most of those bh came from good homes and are highly educated.

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Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by BOWOTO(m): 5:54pm On May 06, 2015
Nobody has the right to bring a child into this world to suffer, imagine 15 years from now, when the babies are all grown, and they discover their fathers are terrorists, no just imagine. God doesnt think like we humans.

And its even going to be easy brainwashing those children into joining boko haram in the future.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by ronald4lif(m): 6:00pm On May 06, 2015
Their choice but if I were in their shoes d&c is the way to go.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by mmsen: 6:01pm On May 06, 2015
soopamom:
Abortion is either right or wrong, there is no such thing as "in this instance". Dont kill is dont kill, it's not okay to kill just because you were raped or because a child's father is boko haram or bla bla bla. Abi is it the pregnancy that is responsible for your rape?

Is killing in self-defence wrong? Or would you lay down and allow yourself to murdered if some accosted you?

If the young lady was raped and became pregnant as a result then of course the pregnancy is the cause. Why should the baby be dragged into such a scenario? Is the girl not free to protect herself from further long term trauma for both her and the unwanted/unplanned pregnancy?
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by gaby53: 6:03pm On May 06, 2015
yinkard4me:
I can tell you, it churns my stomach to imagine
carrying the child of a rapist. Only God can heal
those girls of the psychological trauma they've
been through. As much as it is nauseating to be
carrying the seed of those beast, every single
child is completely innocent of the sins of the
father. dont u think?
If so, why do we share of the admic sin according the bible believers
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by blym4real: 6:10pm On May 06, 2015
Seriously this is a tough one.

Firstly the girls are not emotionally and financially mature to have those babies.

Secondly the stigmatization those unborn babies will face if they are eventually brought into this world will be so enormous, how will one feels being label the child of an international terrorist.

Most of the fathers of those unborn babies were involved in killing the relatives of some of the pregnant girls.

They should follow their heart.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by timilehing(m): 6:10pm On May 06, 2015
Scholar8200:
It's best to keep the pregnancy for the following reasons:
1. The unborn child is completely innocent and , with good training, will not take after its father;
2. Abortion is tantamount to murder. The world will cry out if a criminal's 7 months old baby is taken to be executed with him in the firing squad;calling for the murder of the unborn babies because of their fathers' sin should also be denounced .
3. The abortion could result in the death of the mother; what then?
4. The abortion could lead to serious health complications/infertility for the mother; what then?
5. The child,if allowed to live, may become the consolation for its mother, rising above a dark background, refusing to be limited/defined by same; why not?
No matter how trained a lion cub is, their passion for blood can never be hidden. A bastard will always be a bastard
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by hedonistic: 6:11pm On May 06, 2015
JayJustus:

me just here waiting for the arguments to unfold... you care for some orijin and chin chin??
Sure, but only if you are in Abuja, then I can claim it.
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by gaby53: 6:12pm On May 06, 2015
sameer1212:
Damn! Your family should be ashamed of u because u are embarrassing them publicly. Every one is making sense with their post except u, I pity any one related to u because u are nothing but an Id*iot sadist.
habaaaa!!! Why the insult? It wsa just his opinion. Or r u one of those extremists muslims?
Re: Is Abortion Right In This Instance? by Scholar8200(m): 6:12pm On May 06, 2015
timilehing:
No matter how trained a lion cub is, their passion for blood can never be hidden. A bastard will always be a bastard
That's true for animals who're guided by instincts alone. Man is different.

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