macof:

won gbe imi wa...now Hausas razed oyo what next you razed ile ife too?

Of course, truth to the inherently stuupid who can't tell facts from fiction

After Awole's rejection, Afonja, now master of Illorin, invited an itinerant Fulani scholar of Islam called Alim al-Salih into his ranks. By doing this, he hoped to secure the support of Yoruba Muslims (mainly slaves taking care of the Empire's horses) and volunteers from the Hausa-Fulani north in keeping Ilorin independent. Torn by internal struggle, Oyo could not defend itself against the Fulani.[49] Oyo-Ile was razed by the Fulani Empire in 1835 and the Oyo Empire collapsed in 1836.




see i always back uo what i say with facts!! and ile ife was already completely irrelevant at this point!!!!


secretly, this dweeb wishes he was hausa, i mean, who doesnt, but nature played a cruel trick on you!!! you were dealth a faulty hand, you never stood a chance!

MorrowCaligari:



After Awole's rejection, Afonja, now master of Illorin, invited an itinerant Fulani scholar of Islam called Alim al-Salih into his ranks. By doing this, he hoped to secure the support of Yoruba Muslims (mainly slaves taking care of the Empire's horses) and volunteers from the Hausa-Fulani north in keeping Ilorin independent. Torn by internal struggle, Oyo could not defend itself against the Fulani.[49] Oyo-Ile was razed by the Fulani Empire in 1835 and the Oyo Empire collapsed in 1836.




see i always back uo what i say with facts!! and ile ife was already completely irrelevant at this point!!!!


secretly, this dweeb wishes he was hausa, i mean, who doesnt, but nature played a cruel trick on you!!! you were dealth a faulty hand, you never stood a chance!

the born to be a maggot slave is still talking. . So Ilorin (with support of northern fulanis) pushed Oyos southwards means hausas razed their city? Fulani and hausa are the same now? Oh! I forgot a slave always wants to identify with his masters
Same fulani that were dealt with by the same Oyos(now resettled at Ibadan) and captured muslim yorubas of Ilorin that were beheaded?

Completely irrelevant? The source of all yoruba dynasties irrelevant? Why didn't you try attacking Ife and watch a bombardment of all yorubas on ur stuupid north. .you should ask the Owus what happened to them for making the mistake of attacking Ife

I don't think you know macof at all, a proud yoruba like myself can never wish to be hausa. .try ur angas relatives

MorrowCaligari:

maybe i am indeed stuupid because i cant find a single darn place where hausa is mentioned in this article, but yoruba is all over the place


The People And Gods In exile

Africans brought as slaves to America faced a peculiar series of
problems. Working conditions were exhausting and life for most slaves was
often "nasty, brutish, and short." Family formation was made difficult because
of the general shortage of women carried in the slave trade, a situation made
even worse where the ratio of men to women was sometimes as much as three to
one. To this was added the insecurity of slave status in which family members
might be separated by sale or by the masters' whim. Still, most slaves lived
in family units even if their marriages were not always sanctioned by the
religion of their masters.

Throughout the Americas, wherever Africans were brought, aspects of their
language, religion, artistic sensibilities, and other elements of culture
survived. To some extent the amount of continuity depended on the intensity
and volume of the slave trade from a particular area. Yoruba culture, for
example, was particularly strong in northeastern Brazil because the trade
between it and the Bight of Benin was heavy and continuous in the early 19th
century. During certain periods, Akan peoples predominated in Jamaica, while
Ewe or Dahomeans predominated in Haiti. Some slaveholders tried to mix up the
slaves on their plantations so that strong African identities would be lost,
but colonial dependence on slavers who dealt continually with the same region
tended to undercut such policies. In the reality of slavery in the Americas,
Africans had to adapt and change and to incorporate other African peoples and
their ideas and customs. Moreover, there were also the ways and customs of the
masters that were both imposed and adopted. Thus, what emerged as
Afro-American culture reflected specific African roots adapted to a new
reality. Afro-American culture was dynamic and creative in this sense.

Religion was an obvious example of continuity and adaptation. Slaves were
converted to Catholicism by Spaniards and Portuguese, and slaves were capable
of fervent devotion as members of Black Catholic brotherhoods some of which
were organized by African origins. Still, African religious ideas and
practices did not die out, and many African slaves were accused of
"witchcraft" by the Inquisition in those colonies. In the English islands,
obeah was the name given to the African religious practices, and the men and
women knowledgeable in them were held in high regard within the community. In
Brazilian candomble (Yoruba) and Haitian Vodun (Aja), rather fully developed
versions of African religion flourished and continue until the present,
despite attempts to suppress them.

The reality of the Middle Passage meant that religious ideas and concepts
were easier to transfer than the institutional aspects of religion. Without
religious specialists or a priestly class, aspects of African religions were
changed or transformed by contact with other African peoples as well as with
colonial society. In many cases slaves held their new faith in Christianity
and their African beliefs at the same time, and sought to fuse the two. For
Muslim Africans this was less possible. In 1835 in Bahia, the largest slave
rebellion in Brazil was organized by Muslim Yoruba and Hausa slaves and
directed against the whites and against nonbelievers.

Resistance and rebellion were other aspects of African- American history.
Recalcitrance, running away, and direct confrontation were present wherever
slaves were held. As early as 1508 African runaways disrupted communications
on Hispaniola, and in 1527 a plot to rebel was uncovered in Mexico City.
Throughout the Americas communities of runaway slaves formed. In Jamaica,
Colombia, Venezuela, Haiti, and Brazil runaway communities were continuous and
persistent. In Brazil, during the 17th century, Palmares, an enormous runaway
slave kingdom with numerous villages and a population of perhaps 8,000 to
10,000 people, resisted Portuguese and Dutch attempts to destroy it for a
century. Although its inhabitants were both Creoles and Africans of various
backgrounds, its origins, organization, and leadership were Angolan. In
Jamaica, the runaway "Maroons" were able to gain some independence and a
recognition of their freedom. So-called ethnic slave rebellions organized by a
particular African group were relatively common in the Caribbean and Brazil in
the 18th century. In North America where reinforcement from the slave trade
was less important, resistance was also important, but it was based less on
African origins or ethnicities.

Perhaps, the most remarkable story of African American resistance is
found in the forests of Suriname, a former Dutch plantation colony. There
large numbers of slaves ran off in the 18th century and mounted an almost
perpetual war in the rain forest against the various expeditions sent to hunt
them down. Those captured were brutally executed, but eventually a truce
developed. Today about 50,000 Maroon descendants still live in Suriname and
French Guiana. The Suriname Maroons maintained many aspects of their West
African background in terms of language, kinship relations, and religious
beliefs, but these were fused with new forms and ways drawn from European and
American Indian contacts resulting from their New World experience. From this
fusion based on their own creativity, a truly Afro-American culture was
created.



so please point it out for me, you lying piece of rat sh.iiit!!!!!!!!



i could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap an argument better than yours.

Oh well, you can't see hausa from what you quoted means that ur stupidity is off the charts like every typical hausa maggot

Am done with you. I've dealt with you maggots, people needed to know just how much of a damned slave you are . #mostEnslavedPeopleOnEarth

macof:



the born to be a maggot slave is still talking. . So Ilorin (with support of northern fulanis) pushed Oyos southwards means hausas razed their city? Fulani and hausa are the same now? Oh! I forgot a slave always wants to identify with his masters
Same fulani that were dealt with by the same Oyos(now resettled at Ibadan) and captured muslim yorubas of Ilorin that were beheaded?

Completely irrelevant? The source of all yoruba dynasties irrelevant? Why didn't you try attacking Ife and watch a bombardment of all yorubas on ur stuupid north. .you should ask the Owus what happened to them for making the mistake of attacking Ife

I don't think you know macof at all, a proud yoruba like myself can never wish to be hausa. .try ur angas relatives

Looool! The army of the sokoto caliphate consisted of both hausas and fulanis dumbo! Youre not shameless talking about how we forced you to resettle? You ran like you always do, like cowards!!! And if I had wanted to be identified as Fulani, son't you think I would have called myself that or something? Mor.on!


But you're yet to tell me an instance where your ancestors even attempted to set foot in Hausa land!

macof:


Oh well, you can't see hausa from what you quoted means that ur stupidity is off the charts like every typical hausa maggot

Am done with you. I've dealt with you maggots, people needed to know just how much of a damned slave you are . #mostEnslavedPeopleOnEarth

You should continue lying to yourself, meanwhile I know deep down you're hurting right now after the irrelevance of your race has been pointed out to you. Most enslaved people, where did we go? Why is almost every slave that tries to trace his route yoruba? Why are there yoruba communities scattered all across the globe Loool! I think you even admitted the great number of your slaves at first. Its like I said, the only thing your race is good for ia slavery!!!

In the early 1500's, slaves were transported from West Africa to America through Badagry. It is reported that Badagry exported no fewer than 550,000 African slaves to America during the period of the American Independence in l787. In addition, slaves were transported to Europe, South America and the Caribbean. The slaves came mainly from West Africa and the neighboring countries of Benin (Republic of Benin-Dahomey) and Togo as well as others parts of Nigeria. The slave trade became the major source of income for the Europeans in Badagry.
It was confessed that the prospects of Trans Atlantic Slave Trade fueled into tribal wars in Yorubaland as the kings and slaves who had taken part of the European slave merchants' offer, went all out to wage war on the other towns and villages with the sole aim of getting slaves to be exchanged for wine and guns.""





Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s.
The expansion of Oyo after the middle of the sixteenth century was closely associated with the growth of slave exports across the Atlantic. Oyo's cavalry pushed southward along a natural break in the forests known as the Benin(Republic of Benin-Dahomey) Gap, i.e., the opening in the forest where the savanna stretched to the Bight of Benin), and thereby gained access to the coastal ports.



Most slaves exported from that region of Africa were sold by Yoruba traders, and many (if not most) of those slaves had been transshipped from further inside Africa. Many were identified by Europeans as coming from the Yoruba. Over time, as well, Yoruba culture and religion became common among many slaves in the Americas, so that a spiritual and communal connection became quite common.


Several African states took an active part in the European slave trade when it began in the early sixteenth century. West Africa, in particular, was one of the principal routes for this commerce in human lives. Several forest kingdoms, such as the Oyo kingdom (Yoruba) and the kingdom of Dahomey, derived immense wealth from the slave trade. This slave trade, however, had a double edge. It meant that the kingdoms and city-states which derived commercial gain also had to fight more wars in order to obtain captives for the slave trade. The result was a high degree of political instability for these forest kingdoms; not only did the slave trade produce the largest single displacement of human peoples in human history, it also fragmented the African civilizations that participated in this commerce. "




Loooool! Isn't it interesting how these articles always refer to Oyo as a forest Kingdom! Inhabited by forest people I suppose!!!!!

macof


The Igbo and Yoruba peoples from the Bights of Benin and Biafra compromised roughly one-third of all enslaved Africans transported to the Americas. Professor Childs examines how the transatlantic slave trade during the 18th and 19th centuries brought about the formation of a common identity in Africa among the Yoruba and Igbo peoples, and how their culture was both transferred and transformed in the Americas.

Matt D. Childs is associate professor of history at the University of South Carolina, the author of The 1812 Aponte Rebellion in Cuba and the Struggle against Atlantic Slavery, and coeditor of The Yoruba Diaspora in the Atlantic World, and The Changing Worlds of Atlantic Africa. He is currently editing a volume on Igbos in the Atlantic world and writing another on the Afro-descendant population in Havana during the 18th and 19th centuries.

Dude! Everything you've posted since my last post has been nothing but you keeping up your reputation for being a stuupid maggot


So Oyo is refered as a forest kingdom? Is sokoto not a desert sultanate? Are hausa and fulani not desert people?
Na wa o, Oyo were the most northern yoruba nation and didn't have much forests around like the southern nations. ..I wonder what makes them a forest people using cavalry
Oyo exported massive slaves. .and so? Who denied that? Many of these slaves were from Northern nations..with hausas
Yoruba know the difference between Hausa and fulani, no where are 2nd class hausas mentioned in the attacks against Oyo-ile. It was mainly an Ilorin vs Oyo fight with fulani assistance.. hausas have almost no presence in Ilorin today..all hausas known to have been in Ilorin during Afonja were Oyo slaves who were a long way into being yorubanized due to slavery. . .. nobody in Ilorin identifies as hausa even though we still have Borgu and Fulani personalities


I'm done with you. You got nothing to say

macof:
Dude! Everything you've posted since my last post has been nothing but you keeping up your reputation for being a stuupid maggot


So Oyo is refered as a forest kingdom? Is sokoto not a desert sultanate? Are hausa and fulani not desert people?
Na wa o, Oyo were the most northern yoruba nation and didn't have much forests around like the southern nations. ..I wonder what makes them a forest people using cavalry

You mean the cavalry you got from nupes who in turn got it from us? you mean the cavalry you buy horses from us to equip?

Oyo exported massive slaves. .and so? Who denied that? Many of these slaves were from Northern nations..with hausas
Yoruba know the difference between Hausa and fulani, no where are 2nd class hausas mentioned in the attacks against Oyo-ile. It was mainly an Ilorin vs Oyo fight with fulani assistance.. hausas have almost no presence in Ilorin today..all hausas known to have been in Ilorin during Afonja were Oyo slaves who were a long way into being yorubanized due to slavery. . .. nobody in Ilorin identifies as hausa even though we still have Borgu and Fulani personalities

lool! you do know that Gambari means hausa right? i keep asking you if the fulani army consists of fulanis alone? you see, when i tell you you know nothing about the north or hausa or our history youll deny it! even dan fodios most trusted general was a hausa man dumb a.ss!

my point sill remains you are the most enslaved race in the world. you still are till date!

I'm done with you. You got nothing to say

nooo! youre fighting a lost cause and you know it so you flee like the umpteenth generation coward you are!

Hausa city-states were great. And so were Yorubaland's different states. Nigeria is lucky to have these two ethnicites in its fold
Nigeria should be greater than what it is right now. Yet you are here arguing about events that happened two hundred years ago.
Come on, you can do better than that.

GorkoSusaay:
Hausa city-states were great. And so were Yorubaland's different states. Nigeria is lucky to have these two ethnicites in its fold
Nigeria should be greater than what it is right now. Yet you are here arguing about events that happened two hundred years ago.
Come on, you can do better than that.

Like I said, just a bit of harmless banter, nothing more. But if the bloke decides to catch feelings, that's on him, not me.

GorkoSusaay:
Hausa city-states were great. And so were Yorubaland's different states. Nigeria is lucky to have these two ethnicites in its fold
Nigeria should be greater than what it is right now. Yet you are here arguing about events that happened two hundred years ago.
Come on, you can do better than that.

A haali gonga bandiraawo! A jaraama seydi Gorko Susaay jam na?

D*ck measuring special Olympics.

tpiar:
Yoruba were not the most enslaved though, probably Angola, or SE .
@ Morrowcaligari.
btw you dont seem Hausa.

Why are bringing angola in a fight between hausas and yorubas?That is cowardice!Fight back instead of shifting the blame on somebody else
Anyway,the past is the past.What is matter is today!What is up today with hausas,yorubas and angoleses?

Luanda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gCvgtJDhm4
kano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH80o2W5Ybc
Ibadan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVBNCGxMaYI

alanmwene:

Why are bringing angola in a fight between hausas and yorubas?That is cowardice!Fight back instead of shifting the blame on somebody else
Anyway,the past is the past.What is matter is today!What is up today with hausas,yorubas and angoleses?

Luanda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gCvgtJDhm4
kano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH80o2W5Ybc
Ibadan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVBNCGxMaYI

Sure, just dig up whichever picture or video you want when there are almost ten hausa states and 6 yoruba states. You just dug up pictures that suit your agenda.

Macof

Lovesdaisied:
D*ck measuring special Olympics.

Where do i sign up? Though I'd probably lose those of you with 15 inches stay out of this thread

My own is Yorubas had trade with the Songhai empire, mosques were built during this time in Osun(Oyo). Later some Yorubas started converting to Islam, in fact Yoruba Muslims existed 100s of years before the birth of Sheikh Uthman Ibn Foodee(Dan Fodio).

Please lets stop the curses, we shuld all be proud of ourselves!

Demmzy15:
My own is Yorubas had trade with the Songhai empire, mosques were built during this time in Osun(Oyo). Later some Yorubas started converting to Islam, in fact Yoruba Muslims existed 100s of years before the birth of Sheikh Uthman Ibn Foodee(Dan Fodio).

Please lets stop the curses, we shuld all be proud of ourselves!

My dear yoruba friend, like I said earlier, it's all banter. I have the utmost respect for your people. I apologise if any of my comments came off as rude, not my intention.

Fulaman198:


Where do i sign up? Though I'd probably lose those of you with 15 inches stay out of this thread

I have concluded you're a megalomaniac.

MorrowCaligari:


My dear yoruba friend, like I said earlier, it's all banter. I have the utmost respect for your people. I apologise if any of my comments came off as rude, not my intention.

Respect bro, we're all brothers. Both our history is rich so there's no need to complicate issues. Its up to us to make history so as generations after us can refer to our achievements

Salam/Shalom

Demmzy15:
Respect bro, we're all brothers. Both our history is rich so there's no need to complicate issues. Its up to us to make history so as generations after us can refer to our achievements

Salam/Shalom

exactly! couldnt have put it any better myself.



salam.

MorrowCaligari:


I have concluded you're a megalomaniac.

LOL why do you say that?

Fulaman198:


LOL why do you say that?

stray observations.

MorrowCaligari:



stray observations.

My brother I'm not a megalomaniac

Hey Morrow,
Go and review this thread from page 1. On page 7 you are no better temperamentally than you were on 1. You are a distasteful fighter. In all likelihood you are not a true Hausa but a wannabe.

OPCNAIRALAND:
Hey Morrow,
Go and review this thread from page 1. On page 7 you are no better temperamentally than you were on 1. You are a distasteful fighter. In all likelihood you are not a true Hausa but a wannabe.

Like you're one to talk. You're a bigot.

I have already apologised for my actions, what more do you want from me you sprag!


And what do you mean hausa wannabe?

MorrowCaligari:



Like you're one to talk. You're a bigot.

I have already apologised for my actions, what more do you want from me you sprag!


And what do you mean hausa wannabe?

Where is your apology? I havent seen it. Did you apologise to me?

OPCNAIRALAND:


Where is your apology? I havent seen it. Did you apologise to me?

Why will I apologise to you? You're a douche!

You notice how every word out of you is accompanied with a vulgar?

True Hausas, blood and flesh BaHaushe, will recoil at your uncultured and ignoble utterances towards others. I don't think I need a proof that you are a Hausa wannabe.

OPCNAIRALAND:
You notice how every word out of you is accompanied with a vulgar?

True Hausas, blood and flesh BaHaushe, will recoil at your uncultured and ignoble utterances towards others. I don't think I need a proof that you are a Hausa wannabe.

so you admit hausas are cultured and resolute?

OPCNAIRALAND:


When Oyo started using cavalry there was nothing called Northern Nigeria. Do you agree?

Oyo did not learn cavalry from Northern Nigeria.


Sokoto Caliphate was not an Imperial power in the Sudan. Oyo was an Imperial power that defeated states all the way up to Songhai.... Oyo was feared even by dan Fodio, otherwise why did he stop his conquest in Nupeland, what stopped him from entering Yorubaland with his Jihad campaign?

In the case of Ilorin, fulani could not have defeated Oyo Ile if Yorubas acting on Afonja's leadership had not fought with them. When the Yorubas saw what became of Afonja they crossed camp and fought alongside their Oyo counterparts to route fulani completely out and back across river...drowning many of them and their horses in the process.

Ilorin had no Oba, it was a vacuum. Ilorin was a scholarship center and a satellite town where foreigners were camped. Yoruba therefore did not secure it as a political location. This is why it ended having an Emir.

To buttress my point. Jebba, which is further North of Ilorin had an Oba, that throne continues even as we speak.

It was not bravery of Fulani that sacked Oyo or put your Emir in Ilorin...but rather the carelessness of Afonj and subsequntly the neglect of Ilorin by Yoruba.

If you wete brave and more powerful than Oyo you would also, in addition to, taking jihad to everyone South of Sokoto would not stop when you got to Yorubaland. After the Afonja rebellion if you were not scared of Oyo, after putting a leader in Ilorin you would, just as you did toppling every Hausa State, have toppled every Oba around Ilorin and North of Ilorin to Jebba.



On the issue of slavery. You did not raid our towns for slaves. Yoruba did not sell Yoruba into slavery until intertribal wars between us that led to selling away prisoners of war. Our slaves in America were military men that fought wars. Their sense of leadership and patriotism was very acute....this background contributed to successful uprisings and revolts led by Yorubas in latin America. It also explains why Yoruba was the dominant and surviving culture, amongst all other cultures exported from West Africa most of which are in far greater quantity.


Up until the time of the wars within, and there were many of them, Yorubas sold people of other nationality.


Meanwhile, there are plenty accounts of Fulani, Hausa slaves sold byYorubas to the white man. Even Muhammad Bello became worried and sought help from Livingstone to appease Oyo to please stop selling his people.


If you want to project fulani superiority over other races please go ahead and have fun....but know that Oyo was far more Imperial and formidable than Sokoto Caliphate.

Excellent post

MorrowCaligari:


so you admit hausas are cultured and resolute?

If a blindman is offended by his fellow blindman accusations and vulgarity against those with vision does he gain sight?