joyandfaith:


have you tried house to house evangelism and they do not allow you.

dolphinheart:


you are the one not understanding him.

He said: " The good news is the good news about Jesus and not about God's Kingdom.

Jesus, the disciples,the scriptures said the good news is about God's Kingdom. do you accept this and the scriptures I quoted or do you have contrary opinion.

what is Gods kingdom going to do? If you think you know tell us.

jw's are not preaching the good news , they are preaching the good news of God's Kingdom.
I dnt know what his good news is, but I've shown you where Jesus said he is preaching the good news of God's Kingdom. A government that will solve all of mankind's problem.

There are other things he said which are false, but you have accepted his words as true. He said jw's wunt tell you about Jesus being the son of God, being sent by God, dying for our sins, resurrection and how he can save us. This is a very big, fat and sad lie, you know it and so does Ken4Christ.

John 17:3 this means EVALASTING LIFE........ know the only true God and knowing the one he sent jesus Christ. These are part of the good news about God's Kingdom!

joyandfaith:

have you tried to preach first before you conclude?

virginboy1:


The main reason I like Jehovah's witnesses, is that they don't preach hell fire or rather don't believe in it.

virginboy1:


The main reason I like Jehovah's witnesses, is that they don't preach hell fire or rather don't believe in it.

CANTICLES:


if the only thing u learn from this thread is the above , am glad . at least you know Gods kingdom is a real government and Christ is its king.



Angel=messenger ? Yes or no

is Christ ever called a messenger/Angel in the bible ?
Malachi 3:1

your sincere answers to the above questions might be all you need .



exactly, Jehovah's witnesses never deny that Jesus have a divine nature like God , but does having a divine nature equal being Almighty ? that is where you have issues with the divinity of Christ .. of course , I will Tell you why

do you still need to be spoonfed that humans will be resurrected to heaven to SHARE THE DIVINE NATURE WITH GOD [2Peter1:4] , DOES THAT MAKE THIS HUMANS Almighty GOD ? can you now see that having a divine nature doesn't make a person or equate Christ with God ?

analice107, "God is the head of Christ "1 corinthians 11:3!!! na bible talk am not canticles . u can choose to turn a deaf ear . but truth is truth.



false info can kill person o , who told you Jehovah's witnesses don't acknowledge Christ as Lord ? chai! do u even know the TITLE OF THE DRAMA WATCHED WoRLDWiDE BY JEHOVAHS WITNESS AT THE IMITATE JESUS 2015 CONVENTION ? " God made him [Jesus] both Lord and Christ "

i guess u don't even know

dolphinheart:


you where shown scriptures that point to jesus divinity, you did not respond to it, you are here accusing jw's all over again.

Emusan:


because their teachings are from the pit of hell, so anyone who seeks heavenly home must quickly reject them.

analice107:

It's a static ploy to keep you in your sins until it's too late. Have you read the Bible for yourself? Shouldn't you ask yoirseld why both old and new Testaments talks about hellfire but jw deny it?

Princewell2012:


Mmmmm, what if i tell you that they even makes more sense that other Christian denominations

Have you really takes time to hear them out?

analice107:

Now that you preach this Kingdom which Christ is King there, do you preach that it's only being born again by accepting Christ as your Lord and personal Saviour, without which you can't enter into that Kingdom?
Am presenting you facts JW and I have talked about.

analice107:

I will let all slide but one. Explain to me how Jesus Christ is an Angel.

analice107:

It's a satanic ploy to keep you in your sins until it's too late. Have you read the Bible for yourself? Shouldn't ask why both old and new Testaments talks about hellfire but jw deny it?

liar ! infact it makes us more determined to follow our God direction , we serve God out of Genuine Love not out of the FEAR OF A MYTHICAL HELLFIRE !!!! "There is no Fear in love " 1john 4:18

CoolUsername:


Phooey! This is the redefinition of success that I'm talking about. JW started off as a death cult that thought that the apocalypse was the next week. It wasn't until they're (hilarious) failures that they became what they are today.

They made prophecies that were demonstrably false. There is no honest way around that fact.

Jessicha:


liar ! infact it makes us more determined to follow our God direction , we serve God out of Genuine Love not out of the FEAR OF A MYTHICAL HELLFIRE !!!! "There is no Fear in love " 1john 4:18

analice107:

Now that you preach this Kingdom which Christ is King there, do you preach that it's only being born again by accepting Christ as your Lord and personal Saviour, without which you can't enter into that Kingdom?
Am presenting you facts JW and I have talked about.

analice107:

Which scriptures are you talking about? The scriptures taken out of context? It's only Satan who twists scriptures because he has an agenda.

Emusan:


Don't mind him, If you read Malachi 3:1 you will see the speaker saying "...BEFORE ME..." The ME in that verse is Jehovah and again, John the Baptist was called a messenger even before his birth, does that make him an Angel? That's how they use to twist scriptures.

analice107:

Now that you preach this Kingdom which Christ is King there, do you preach that it's only being born again by accepting Christ as your Lord and personal Saviour, without which you can't enter into that Kingdom?
Am presenting you facts JW and I have talked about.

analice107:

What baffles me is, these people leave clear to the point scriptures but go on the pick scriptures out of context and assume what those scriptures could be saying.

Amplified Bible Hebrews 1:5-9
For to which of the angels did [God] ever say, You are My Son, today I have begotten You [established You in an official Sonship relation, with kingly dignity]? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He will be to Me a Son? Moreover, when He brings the firstborn Son again into the habitable world, He says, Let all the angels of God worship Him. Referring to the angels He says, [God] Who makes His angels winds and His ministering servants flames of fire; But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (to the ages of the ages), and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of absolute righteousness (of justice and straightforwardness). You have loved righteousness [You have delighted in integrity, virtue, and uprightness in purpose, thought, and action] and You have hated lawlessness (injustice and iniquity). Therefore God, [even] Your God (Godhead), has anointed You with the oil of exultant joy and gladness above and beyond Your companions.

Hebrews 1:13-14 Besides, to which of the angels has He ever said, Sit at My right hand [associated with Me in My royal dignity] till I make your enemies a stool for your feet? Are not the angels all ministering spirits (servants) sent out in the service [of God for the assistance] of those who are to inherit salvation?

Why don't these JW see this scriptures?

Princewell2012:


Mmmmm, but they have also showed you some prophesys made by Christians that didn't come to pass

So what do you say to that?

Hmmm, if you must hold that as a ground to disqualify them, then Christians too needs to be disqualified, is that what you think?

Princewell2012:


Mmmmm, what if i tell you that they even makes more sense that other Christian denominations

Have you really takes time to hear them out?

analice107:

Oh, I do house to house evangelism. A JW doesn't open their doors or collect tracks from Christians.
Let me ask you, do you open your door and allow a conversation? The last time I went out, the JW man came out at the balcony instead of allowing me inside. He quickly started arguments and won't let me talk. I knew the spirit at work, I left him. Am not enjoined to go out and engage in contentious arguments.
The people are so argumentative.

virginboy1:


Talks about Hell fire

I feel the postulates of hell is subjective to one's mindsect or perception.

I feel my loving father God won't just deliberately fix me in fiercely flame of fire,just because of an action I did due to my internal hormonal need eg sex.

The day, I started applying the school of thoughts of reality into the Bible, instead of always being subjective,was when my fanatism state declined.

Well, I will start believing in the theory of hell myth, whenever it is empirically proven.

Thanks Ma

paulGrundy:


Good question, am interested in the funny responses he will give you

Also ask him how can one be born again and see the response.

NOTE: please be careful how you quote them, so they won't now say that you are paulGrundy.

dolphinheart:


you are joining two things together here. Jesus definition of being born again is different from yours.
and yes, jw's believe the words of Jesus found in John 3:3 In response Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

note: you too can notice you are not defending Ken4Christ statements and accusations again, you are now trying to raise your own issues. If you feel his statement againSt jw's are false, can you kindly let us know?
Secondly, you did not tell me your views on John 17:3

analice107:

what about it?
Amplified Bible John 17:3 And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.
So, to you this makes Christ an Angel?

fine, you also tell me your views on these scriptures.

Amplified Bible Philippians 2:6-9
Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained, But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being. And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross! Therefore [because He stooped so low] God has highly exalted Him and has freely bestowed on Him the name that is above every name,

paulGrundy:


Makes more sense?? I think its the other way round in most case, when you claim that God will kill billions of people in armageddon most of whom have never heard of JW's does that make any sense?

joyandfaith:





these verses show we must know God and Jesus. And God elevated Jesus.
What are angels?
All Popular Saints
An angel is a pure spirit created by God. The Old Testament theology included the belief in angels: the name applied to certain spiritual beings or intelligences of heavenly residence, employed by God as the ministers of His will.
The English word "angel" comes from the Greek angelos, which means 'messenger'. In the Old Testament, with two exceptions, the Hebrew word for "angel" is malak, also meaning 'messenger'. The prophet Malachi took his name from this word. He was himself a messenger, and he prophesied about the coming of "the messenger of the covenant", Jesus Christ ( Malachi 3:1 ).
Although the word "angel" in the Bible, meaning a messenger, nearly always applies to heavenly beings, it can occasionally apply to human messengers. Malachi himself said a priest was a messenger (malak) of the LORD of hosts ( Malachi 2:7 ), and in the Book of Revelation the elders of the seven churches of Asia were called angels ( 1:20; 2:1 etc.). But when we meet messengers doing supernatural things, there is no doubt they are heavenly beings - God's messengers, working for Him and for the ultimate benefit of mankind.

http://www.catholic.org/saints/angels/

paulGrundy:


Makes more sense?? I think its the other way round in most case, when you claim that God will kill billions of people in armageddon most of whom have never heard of JW's does that make any sense?