Princewell2012:


Mmmmm, killing billions of people and they will never exist again and burning billions of people in hellfire forever and ever, which is unaccountable trillion times, so to you which one do you thinks makes more sense Mmmmm.

analice107:

what about it?
Amplified Bible John 17:3 And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.
So, to you this makes Christ an Angel?

fine, you also tell me your views on these scriptures.

Amplified Bible Philippians 2:6-9
Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained, But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being. And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross! Therefore [because He stooped so low] God has highly exalted Him and has freely bestowed on Him the name that is above every name,

analice107:

why are you calling out Johnnydon?
you dont want to get mad, but you believe the JW why? is it because you want to feel comfortable in yoir sin, thinking you can eat your cake and have it?
you want proof for hellfire, yet you believe the JW even when the clearly deny obvious scriptures that talks about it. what proof did they give to you to believe there is no Hellfire?

dolphinheart:


why do you think jw's strive to stay away from sin despite not believing in hell fire?
do you know what goes to hell?

joyandfaith:





these verses show we must know God and Jesus. And God elevated Jesus.
What are angels?
All Popular Saints
An angel is a pure spirit created by God. The Old Testament theology included the belief in angels: the name applied to certain spiritual beings or intelligences of heavenly residence, employed by God as the ministers of His will.
The English word "angel" comes from the Greek angelos, which means 'messenger'. In the Old Testament, with two exceptions, the Hebrew word for "angel" is malak, also meaning 'messenger'. The prophet Malachi took his name from this word. He was himself a messenger, and he prophesied about the coming of "the messenger of the covenant", Jesus Christ ( Malachi 3:1 ).
Although the word "angel" in the Bible, meaning a messenger, nearly always applies to heavenly beings, it can occasionally apply to human messengers. Malachi himself said a priest was a messenger (malak) of the LORD of hosts ( Malachi 2:7 ), and in the Book of Revelation the elders of the seven churches of Asia were called angels ( 1:20; 2:1 etc.). But when we meet messengers doing supernatural things, there is no doubt they are heavenly beings - God's messengers, working for Him and for the ultimate benefit of mankind.

http://www.catholic.org/saints/angels/

analice107:

that is it there. "striving" to be without sin. bros there's no amount of your Striving can make you right before God. you must accept the finished work of Christ on the Cross.
If you can Strive to attain righteousness by yourself, then why did christ die? what was the need for his shed blood?

Jesus says, that this your kind of righteousness, which you are working out by yourself is like filthy rags in side of God.
you see why i say, you people dont believe in Christ?
The Muslim have their own version of Christ and who Christ is to them,so also JW.
how can christ died and shed his blood and we are still talking about good works?

what is redemption? do u even believe in it?

paulGrundy:


At least those burning perpetually know the reason why they are being punished. You can see that armageddon is even more cruel than hell fire.

Princewell2012:


No, amageddon is a war which will take place on the last day, just like the one which took place in heaven.

This one is going to be between God and the evil men, atleast they will die once and forall.

But in hellfire you will burn forever.

Those people who will die during amageddon war also knows their fault, and while they were being punished or kill.

Now do you want to tell me that Satan doesn't know his fault?
The people who were destroy with flood during noah period, do they not know they are evil and wicked?

If two people want to present a loving God to their children, one said his God will punish or kill you once and forall, and another says his God will roast you in fire forever, which of those God will those children agree to follow?

Do you really think you re evangelising for God? Mmmmm.

Pls can you answer this questions?

1. Who created hellfire ? If your answer is God then.

2. When were it created?

Was hellfire his original plan from the beginning or did he just wake one morning and decided to do it?

3. Who were it made for?

4. The generations that were before Jesus will they be a partakers of hellfire?

5. Where they also warn about the intending danger of hellfire, if not why?

6. Is people already in hellfire now?

7. Does God has power to quench the fire in hell?

8.His disobedient children that are in hellfire, or that will be in hellfire if they called on him for mercy will he be able to pardon them and grant them mercy?

9.All the men of God and his prophets did they warn the sinner about hellfire? if not pls can you elucify?

10.Does he know those who will go to hellfire or not before he created them?

11.His main reasons of creating man, was he able to achieve them?

12. You and God who is more merciful than each others?

Finally,
13: will you be able to throw your son in a very hot fire to burn, let say atleast for 48 hrs without mercy for disobeying your order?

Pls i want you to humbly and cincerely answer these questions.
Thank you.

Princewell2012:


Mmmmm, but they have also showed you some prophesys made by Christians that didn't come to pass

So what do you say to that?

Hmmm, if you must hold that as a ground to disqualify them, then Christians too needs to be disqualified, is that what you think?

dolphinheart:



those who follow jesus Christ, the Christ who told us he is sent, who told us he has a God,who told us he has a father, who told us his father is his God, who told us that his father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD, who told us how to pray to the father, who has shown us that he came not to do his will, but the will of his father, who died to provide a ransom for us, who was ressurected and ascended to heaven, who was exalted above his fellows, who is the king of God's Kingdom, who is the heir, who God will use to solve all our problems, who is always subjected to God who gave him authority and power.......Those who follow this Christ will be persecuted and killed, they will always be in the minority because they are no part of the world saturated by Satan's ideas.

johnw74:


You didn't reply to my post because you couldn't, but I will show you where you are wrong here, anyway.


You have no understanding, nothing you said changes the fact that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, which scriptures confirm.
I am the same human spirit and flesh as my father but my father is superior to me

The Father God begat Jesus, meaning Jesus is of the Father, God is Spirit, the Word-Jesus Christ is that same God spirit, just as you are the same human spirit and flesh as your father.


THE ONLY TRUE GOD

Of course the Father is the only True God, God is one, God and the Word is the only true God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



Also you say Jesus is an Angel, disregarding scriptures showing He isn't an angel
so with Jesus, according to supposed jw doctrine, being begotten by God, and with Jesus being an Angel,
that would mean Father God is an Angel as well.
Is Father God an Angel? or did the Word create the Angels.

The Word-God created the Angels but supposed jw would have you believe an Angel created the Angels.

analice107:

Since every Messenger from by God is an Angel, is John the Baptist an Angel too?

CANTICLES:


if the only thing u learn from this thread is the above , am glad . at least you know Gods kingdom is a real government and Christ is its king.



Angel=messenger ? Yes or no

is Christ ever called a messenger/Angel in the bible ?
Malachi 3:1

your sincere answers to the above questions might be all you need .



exactly, Jehovah's witnesses never deny that Jesus have a divine nature like God , but does having a divine nature equal being Almighty ? that is where you have issues with the divinity of Christ .. of course , I will Tell you why

do you still need to be spoonfed that humans will be resurrected to heaven to SHARE THE DIVINE NATURE WITH GOD [2Peter1:4] , DOES THAT MAKE THIS HUMANS Almighty GOD ? can you now see that having a divine nature doesn't make a person or equate Christ with God ?

analice107, "God is the head of Christ "1 corinthians 11:3!!! na bible talk am not canticles . u can choose to turn a deaf ear . but truth is truth.



false info can kill person o , who told you Jehovah's witnesses don't acknowledge Christ as Lord ? chai! do u even know the TITLE OF THE DRAMA WATCHED WoRLDWiDE BY JEHOVAHS WITNESS AT THE IMITATE JESUS 2015 CONVENTION ? " God made him [Jesus] both Lord and Christ "

i guess u don't even know

analice107:

Now that you preach this Kingdom which Christ is King there, do you preach that it's only being born again by accepting Christ as your Lord and personal Saviour, without which you can't enter into that Kingdom?
Am presenting you facts JW and I have talked about.

Emusan:


They will never answer that question because they were not taught to be born again.

joyandfaith:


how would you explain these scriptures?
john 17:3
1 for 15;27,28

johnw74:


I have already blown you out of the water
address the points in my post to dolphin and I will explain those verses to you.

JMAN05:


we preach that you can't enter the heavenly kingdom without being born again. guy u don't know the witnesses. go to jw.org and research this instead of eating lies.

But one lie in ur comment is 'that if u just accept Jesus as ur personal lord and savior, u are born again'. where did u find that conclusion in the bible?

joyandfaith:



john 17:3 and 1 cor 15;27,28 address the issues you raised. Jesus was sent by God and meaning of angel is messenger. mal 3:1 refers Jesus as messenger of Malachi. hope you are not lazy too check the verses.check them and let us know ur opinion.

JMAN05:


we preach that you can't enter the heavenly kingdom without being born again. guy u don't know the witnesses. go to jw.org and research this instead of eating lies.

But one lie in ur comment is 'that if u just accept Jesus as ur personal lord and savior, u are born again'. where did u find that conclusion in the bible?

joyandfaith:



john 17:3 and 1 cor 15;27,28 address the issues you raised. Jesus was sent by God and meaning of angel is messenger. mal 3:1 refers Jesus as messenger of Malachi. hope you are not lazy too check the verses.check them and let us know ur opinion.

joyandfaith:


what do you think? I know some individuals who bear the name, angel. roles are more important than names in most cases.

virginboy1:
Hell fire is Real.Proof?

"We worship our fears" johnydon22.

No be lie.

My dear, I am not rebelling ooo. Just that I don't wanna get mad due to the
yoke of religion.

Thanks Ma.

paulGrundy:


Your definition of evil men, does it include those who have not heard of Jehovahs witnesses?



How will they know they know their fault? When they have not heard the gospel, remember middle east countries that proselytizing is a crime, and countries where JW preaching work is not wide e.g Asia.

analice107:

Yes, if you believe and confess Christ as the son of the only living God, and believe he died for your sons, and resurrected for yoir justification, you will be saved. YES.

And, bros You lie. dont forget JW batch into our homes everyday, we talk with the reasonable ones who allow us talk.
For one, i dont turn away anyone with the Bible, preaching the gospel, i will listen after which ask questions.
i was once given a Watchtower magazine, and the headline was "What is born again?". The writers went on to nagate what Jesus talked about.
Guy, pls stop lying. JW tell half truths and twist everything around. Thats actually Satan's ploy to decieve.

paulGrundy:


God send Jeremaih, Isaiah and co, why aren't they called angels too?

johnw74:


You didn't reply to my post because you couldn't, but I will show you where you are wrong here, anyway.

You have no understanding, nothing you said changes the fact that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, which scriptures confirm.

I am the same human spirit and flesh as my father but my father is superior to me

The Father God begat Jesus, meaning Jesus is of the Father, God is Spirit, the Word-Jesus Christ is that same God spirit, just as you are the same human spirit and flesh as your father.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

Of course the Father is the only True God, God is one, God and the Word is the only true God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Also you say Jesus is an Angel, disregarding scriptures showing He isn't an angel
so with Jesus, according to supposed jw doctrine, being begotten by God, and with Jesus being an Angel,
that would mean Father God is an Angel as well.
Is Father God an Angel? or did the Word create the Angels.

The Word-God created the Angels but supposed jw would have you believe an Angel created the Angels.

dolphinheart:

I did reply your post, but if you feel there is a part I omitted, let me know



but you refused to respond to what I said, if they are true or not. We would have known more about who Jesus is if you had told us if I'm right or wrong with what I said about Jesus.
is the word the almighty God ? no
is the word the most high? no
is the word the father ? no
is jesus always subjected to the father yes?
is jesus a messenger of the father? yes
did Jesus do the will of the Father ? yes
is the father greater than jesus? yes
does jesus have a god? yes
is the father the God of jesus? yes


good, apply this to jesus too.
is jesus the father ? no
is jesus equal to the father ? no
does jesus have divine nature as the father ? yes
does the divine nature make him God almighty? no
will humans share in this divine nature? yes


this is where lies are creeping in into your explanations. I've asked and I've received no response, is jesus the same person as the father? is jesus the father?
your father gave birth to you, you HAVE the same spirit and flesh, not " you are " the same spirit and flesh(as you are trying to portray). you are two different persons who could talk, discuss, see, and be with each other. The scriptures have shown extensively that Jesus and Jehovah does this too. The person who Sat at the right hand of the Majesty on high is not the same spirit as the the Majesty on high!



derived analogy will not help here, the scriptures never said Jesus is the only true God, it specifically told you that the father is the only true God.
If jesus is not the father, then jesus cannot be the only true God.
you say that God is one, one what? one God? one entity? one person?, but you are here trying to merge two god's together .

"In the beginning was the word". The word had a beginning.
" the word was with God ". The word cannot be with and still be that same person.
therefore the word was a god , with a divine nature like the almighty God. He is a mighty God, but still subjected to his God and Father, Jehovah, the only true God!



that a spirit messenger of almighty God can be a god does not mean the almighty God can be a spirit messenger.
you agree that Jesus was begotten, the one who beget and the one who was begotten are not the same person, neither are they equal.


the word was used to create the Angels, he was Jehovahs master worker.

johnw74:


As usual supposed jw lie and are very confused, and keeps showing you cannot answer questions,
but instead asks questions, they don't mind showing their dishonesty.
Go back to my posts and answer my points and I will then show you where you are wrong all over the place.
You and other supposed jw avoid like the plague all the points and scriptures where I have showed you to be wrong.

joyandfaith:


they are not called angels do not mean anything. angel is a title. calling them angels is not a sin.

dolphinheart:

I did reply your post, but if you feel there is a part I omitted, let me know



but you refused to respond to what I said, if they are true or not. We would have known more about who Jesus is if you had told us if I'm right or wrong with what I said about Jesus.
is the word the almighty God ? no
is the word the most high? no
is the word the father ? no
is jesus always subjected to the father yes?
is jesus a messenger of the father? yes
did Jesus do the will of the Father ? yes
is the father greater than jesus? yes
does jesus have a god? yes
is the father the God of jesus? yes


good, apply this to jesus too.
is jesus the father ? no
is jesus equal to the father ? no
does jesus have divine nature as the father ? yes
does the divine nature make him God almighty? no
will humans share in this divine nature? yes


[size=14pt]this is where lies are creeping in into your explanations. I've asked and I've received no response, is jesus the same person as the father? is jesus the father?[/size]
your father gave birth to you, you HAVE the same spirit and flesh, not " you are " the same spirit and flesh(as you are trying to portray). you are two different persons who could talk, discuss, see, and be with each other. The scriptures have shown extensively that Jesus and Jehovah does this too. The person who Sat at the right hand of the Majesty on high is not the same spirit as the the Majesty on high!



derived analogy will not help here, the scriptures never said Jesus is the only true God, it specifically told you that the father is the only true God.
If jesus is not the father, then jesus cannot be the only true God.
you say that God is one, one what? one God? one entity? one person?, but you are here trying to merge two god's together .

"In the beginning was the word". The word had a beginning.
" the word was with God ". The word cannot be with and still be that same person.
therefore the word was a god , with a divine nature like the almighty God. He is a mighty God, but still subjected to his God and Father, Jehovah, the only true God!



that a spirit messenger of almighty God can be a god does not mean the almighty God can be a spirit messenger.
you agree that Jesus was begotten, the one who beget and the one who was begotten are not the same person, neither are they equal.


the word was used to create the Angels, he was Jehovahs master worker.