noetic2:

why am I debating with this blank head?

WHAT IS UR ALTERNATIVE TO CREATIONISM? WHAT IS UR ALTERNATIVE TO THE BIBLE?

Creationism is simply how bronze aged men thought the universe came about. . . . it is a lie. . . . the bible is simply the words, thoughts, fantasy, distorted history and wishes of men who all attributed it all to the god the created in their own image for the purpose of entertainment or sometimes to help them better understand the vagaries of life and also to help them control others around them.

why does this blank head have a problem answering this simple question? why is it so hard? is it because the folly of ur lack of intellect has been ridiculously revealed over time?

By who exactly?

You are a shameless liar. . . . is lying allowed in atheism. . . .u are ridiculously debauched.

Sorry the link you provided ACTUALLy shows that you are a liar. . . . . .

The following are deducible from the link provided, . . .and I have decided to copy it here for all to see as a summary of the link as against the impotent lies u have elected to tell here. . .what a shameless pig. . .

Let's summarize what we've learned about Jesus from this examination of ancient non-Christian sources. First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise. Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher. Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats. Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover. Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus' resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus. Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus' followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God!

My man toneyb has done a very good job addresing all the shameless and pathetic lies you have been bandying all over the place. . . . .

Here are the FACTS. . . .

1. Tacitus who was writting over 100 years after the alleged death of jesus was only writing about what christians have been saying for a very long time. . . .He concluded by saying that the whole story is a MISCHEVIOUS SUPERSTITION. I hope you understand what mischevious and superstition mean. . . . .It shows that he does NOT agree with the story all. . . as far as he knows its only a mischevious lie and superstition. . . . .

2. The alleged writing about jesus by josephus has been shown to be a fraud. . . . your link AGREES that it is a fraud but it only agrees that some parts of it like the resurrection of jesus after 3 days and some other parts were not written by josephus himself but a christian. . . .it says that some parts of it were written by josephus but some other parts were written by another christian. . . . . very few scholars hold this view majority of scholars including christians and non christian all believe that the enitire passage about jesus is a fruad.

3. Pliny the younger did not mentin the name of jesus. . . he was only talking about the life and beliefs of the early christians. . . He also wrote down his accounts about 150 years after the supposed death of jesus. . . .This is no different from someone writing about the early moslems about 150 yearsafter the death of mohammed. ,  it doesn't corroborate any of the things written about mohammed in the koran or the haddith. . . . . .

4. The talmud NEVER talked about the jesus of the bible. . . . . My man toneyb provided a link to the talmud it self and what it actually says. . . . i went through it and discovered that it talks about 3 different yeshu who all lived long before the jesus written about in the bible. . . .one of the yeshu's was hanged on the eve of pass over . . . his story is very different from the jesus of the bible because he was close to the government and his friend(Ulla) in government was trying to exonerate him. . . . . .He was hanged by the jewish court while jesus of the bible was crucified by the romans. . . . . he lived about 100 years before jesus of the bible. . . . The talmud did not say anything about the jesus of the bible. . . . .

I have repeatedly asked u. . , where EXACTLY did JEsus ask any one to kill in His name?

Where does atheism say that you should kill any body. . . . atheism is simply the disbelief in god/gods. . . . it doesnt say that you should be a murderer. . . . yahweh whom you also believe to be jesus commanded people in so many places in the bible to kill people in his name and sacricice some of them as burnt offering unto him. . . .

have u searched the book of jeremiah properly

sure and nothing like that exist therein.

psalm 16:10
because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.

I didn't see any 3 day prophecy there. . . . .If you look at the passage in context it does not say anything about jesus dying and resercting after 3 days as like paul claims. . . . .

Can u please present ur alternative to the bible and creationism? are u such an empty head?

I don't need to provide any alternative to lies. . . . . . .