bawomolo:

Did you just compare a man of God (oyedepo) to a man of the world (Pres Obama)?

Ordained by the people= Obama

Ordained by God = Oyedepo/ adeboye

Now tell me which ordination is bigger and who should be on a higher pedestal?

Aloy~Emeka:

All I know is whatever was your intention, you didn't give Oyedepo the money , you gave it to God and Oyedepo represented God by judiciously investing to uplift the lives of the blessed children of God. Its unbelievers who are yet to know christ that suffer from poverty, why not follow the rules and see God bless you till you get tired. You also need to understand that Oyedepo has a seminary where he trains pastors[i think for free] and educate them on how to pilot a ministry and evangelize the world.

1. I knew i wasnt giving the money to God, i knew i was giving it to a conman building a school to make money albeit in the name of God.

2. Sorry . . . lazarus was a child of God, he died a beggar. the thief on the cross was a child of God when he died, Paul suffered some poverty, Christ had no home of His own nor an ass to ride . . . stop that nonsense that only unbelievers suffer from poverty. That is false theology by those for whom covetousness and greed is a way of life.

3. Christ never set up a seminary to train his disciples, Paul didnt start one neither did Peter . . . but they gave us wonderful gems that are today the cornerstone of the christian faith. Christ didnt promise to set up seminaries to teach us ALL THINGS, He promised the Holy Ghost. You dont need a seminary degree to evangelize, you need one though if you want to learn the tricks of growing your congregation and fleecing them of their money.

4. There are no rules to follow out of poverty . . . my bible says - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Nothing about money there.

Aloy~Emeka:

We don't know what they took in return. Oyedepo paid through his nose to build CU and you want to get free education there? Are you kidding me?

Pathetic.

1. He didnt "pay through his nose" . . . he thoroughly fleeced the flock.

2. In the book of acts (notice these christians NEVER provide scriprural backing for their heresy), the apostles laid down all they had to provide for ALL men according to their needs. At winners we only provide to one bishop according to his need.

3. If CU is built with church money then you have no right charging EXHORBITANT amount of money to educate kids. The school ends up being a dumping ground for the children on the rich and corrupt while the kids of those genuine christians who paid through the nose to see the church built end up crowding the public schools.

Remember the widow's mite? God doesnt reckon with large bank accounts and big private schools or seminaries.

Aloy~Emeka:

Its NGO just like the church but the bills gotta be paid.

Christ wasnt setting up an NGO in Matthew 28.

Aloy~Emeka:

I meant for regular renters. These intercontinental pastors are always on the go and its cheaper in the long run to buy a jet. If Richard Branson owns one, why can't a child of God own one?

richard branson runs a for profit business while Oyedepo doesn't.  

You are sending the wrong message when you compare religious leaders to head of states and business men.

Aloy~Emeka:

Why not also suggest for him to use molue?. Does Obama fly commercial plane?. If no, why do you expect a whole vicar of Christ on earth to fly general air molue?

No such thing exists in the bible . . . that is your own man-made title.

Aloy~Emeka:

Ordained by the people= Obama

Ordained by God = Oyedepo/ adeboye

Now tell me which ordination is bigger and who should be on a higher pedestal?

and this justifies lavish living?

Arguing with unbelievers can be frustrating.

Aloy~Emeka:

Arguing with unbelievers can be frustrating.

Its no worse than arguing with "believers" who wont EVER back up their claims with the scriptures.

davidylan:

No such thing exists in the bible . . . that is your own man-made title.

and this justifies lavish living? 

Flying around in a jet for evangelism is not lavish living. As a matter of fact, Adeboye is known to be naturally prudent and frugal. He seldom relaxes inside the jet whenever it is airborne. Someone once told me that they stay on prayer inside the jet anyway from take off to landing. Its not as if they are popping champagne in it.

davidylan:

Its no worse than arguing with "believers" who wont EVER back up their claims with the scriptures.

Yes I dont know the bible chapter and verse but I still know my redeemer liveth.

Aloy~Emeka:

Ordained by the people= Obama

Ordained by God = Oyedepo/ adeboye

Now tell me which ordination is bigger and who should be on a higher pedestal?

I think we have a cult of personality.

so financial blessings have taken precedence over the spiritual?  

Aloy~Emeka:

Flying around in a jet for evangelism is not lavish living. As a matter of fact, Adeboye is known to be naturally prudent and frugal. He seldom relaxes inside the jet whenever it is airborne. Someone once told me that they stay on prayer inside the jet anyway from take off to landing. Its not as if they are popping champagne in it.

owning jets and having car entourages is a sign of Frugality?

Religion, as Karl Marx said, is like opium. This, in addition to the weed a good number of you are smoking, explains the thoughtlessness of your positions and the stupidity of your blind support for someone like Oyedepo. I can’t believe somebody just compared Obama to Oyedepo, as justification for Oyedepo’s lavish lifestyle. Apart from the fact that it’s like comparing apples and oranges, Obama is the POTUS. Oyedepo is the self-ordained ‘bishop’ of an African protestant church.

The notion that these two characters are even comparable in the context of this conversation shows that a lot of Nigerians lack a functional brain.

davidylan:

1. I knew i wasnt giving the money to God, i knew i was giving it to a conman building a school to make money albeit in the name of God.

2. Sorry . . . lazarus was a child of God, he died a beggar. the thief on the cross was a child of God when he died, Paul suffered some poverty, Christ had no home of His own nor an ass to ride . . . stop that nonsense that only unbelievers suffer from poverty. That is false theology by those for whom covetousness and greed is a way of life.

Because lazarus' name was mentioned somewhere in the bible doesn't mean he was a child of God just like we are not sure King Solomon went to heaven. Was Lazarus not pre-Jesus?. You are old fashioned; we are talking about the new covenant and you are citing Hezekiah and Nebuchadnezzar for me.

3. Christ never set up a seminary to train his disciples, Paul didnt start one neither did Peter . . . but they gave us wonderful gems that are today the cornerstone of the christian faith. Christ didnt promise to set up seminaries to teach us ALL THINGS, He promised the Holy Ghost. You dont need a seminary degree to evangelize, you need one though if you want to learn the tricks of growing your congregation and fleecing them of their money.

He tutored them. Its like saying Christ never rode in a car, so we shouldn't drive cars.

4. There are no rules to follow out of poverty . . . my bible says - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Nothing about money there.

The bible says, exceedingly and abundantly He gave us to enjoy. What does that verse mean?
Pathetic.

1. He didnt "pay through his nose" . . . he thoroughly fleeced the flock.


3. If CU is built with church money then you have no right charging EXHORBITANT amount of money to educate kids. The school ends up being a dumping ground for the children on the rich and corrupt while the kids of those genuine christians who paid through the nose to see the church built end up crowding the public schools.

Remember the widow's mite? God doesnt reckon with large bank accounts and big private schools or seminaries.

I don't know the rich you are talking about in CU sef. Those I know in that school come from middle class homes. Peter Odili's children are in Stanford and Wharton college, not CU.

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Aloy~Emeka:

All I know is whatever was your intention, you didn't give Oyedepo the money , you gave it to God and Oyedepo represented God by judiciously investing to uplift the lives of the blessed children of God.

RUBBISH!
what blessed children?
We PAID the damn fees and it aint cheap too!!

Its unbelievers who are yet to know christ that suffer from poverty, why not follow the rules and [b]see God bless you till you get tired. [/b]You also need to understand that Oyedepo has a seminary where he trains pastors[i think for free] and educate them on how to pilot a ministry and evangelize the world.

Nigerians are so lazy and dumb!
Keep waitin for god to "bless you till you get tired"- the man will keep telling you sweet things so you'll part with your money.

We don't know what they took in return.[b] Oyedepo paid through his nose to build CU [/b]and you want to get free education there? Are you kidding me?

THIS IS A LIE!
The school was built through donations of church members!
We were even encouraged to go to the site and do manual labour for the lord. . . .see professors, bankers, lawyers, so called educated men doing menial jobs because papa told them to sow seeds by carrying block and cement- what a shame!

Its NGO just like the church but the bills gotta be paid.

Thats what the offerings and tithes are for and not for sending your kids abroad and buying jets.

bawomolo:



owning jets and having car entourages is a sign of Frugality?

You can own a fleet of cars and still be immersed in humility. Its the heart that matters to God. Your problem is that you don't have a clue about the things of the spirit. You judge the spiritual from the physical realm. Believe!

@tudor
did you get my im?

Aloy~Emeka:

Arguing with unbelievers can be frustrating.

Its no worse than arguing with "believers" who wont EVER back up their claims with the scriptures.

Where did you find "vicar of Christ on earth" in your bible? Where did you find seminaries for pastors? Have you read how distribution of tithes and offerings was made in the book of acts?

Aloy~Emeka:

Were you his student because I am sure you cant be a CU lecturer because you absolutely lack any gift from the holy ghost?.

What the hell is this?
I pointed out less than 1% of CU students are on scholarship and you're blabbing holy spirit. . . .does the holy spirit give scholarships?

Aloy~Emeka:

Because lazarus' name was mentioned somewhere in the bible doesn't mean he was a child of God just like we are not sure King Solomon went to heaven. Was Lazarus not pre-Jesus?. You are old fashioned; we are talking about the new covenant and you are citing Hezekiah and Nebuchadnezzar for me.

Lazarus went to the bossom of Abraham, unless you new fashioned christians believe Abraham went to hell. Wonderful . . . Christ spent so much time refering the disciples to the days of Jonah, Noah and Moses, Peter referenced the book of psalms several times . . . Paul says the old testament was an example to us under the new covenant.

These modern day "christians" na wa. What next? The OT is not relevant to us anymore?

Aloy~Emeka:

He tutored them. Its like saying Christ never rode in a car, so we shouldn't drive cars.

typical pentecostal nonsense used to justify perfidy and greed. Christ rode an ass so we have a right to a means of transport. imagine if Christ had demanded tithes from the 5000 He fed . . . i'm sure He'd have had enough money to own an entire horse farm.

Christ taught the disciples the word of God . . . He didnt set up seminary schools . . . there is a difference. Going to church or attending bible study is not synonymous with going to seminary school.

Aloy~Emeka:

The bible says, exceedingly and abundantly He gave us to enjoy. What does that verse mean?

the only verses you people know is the one you can twist to mean material blessings. Why didnt Christ Himself have these exceedingly abundant stuff? Stephen nko? What of Paul, Peter, James, John . . . did those verses have no meaning to them?

Aloy~Emeka:

I don't know the rich you are talking about in CU sef. Those I know in that school come from middle class homes. Peter Odili's children are in Stanford and Wharton college, not CU

What of the poor? Oh sorry i forgot the gospel isnt for them. you just said Lazarus could not have gone to heaven on account of being a beggar.

Do you think the widow who gave her mite went to heaven? She certainly didnt enjoy exceedingly abundantly.

Aloy~Emeka:

You can own a fleet of cars and still be immersed in humility. Its the heart that matters to God. Your problem is that you don't have a clue about the things of the spirit. You judge the spiritual from the physical realm. Believe!

humble people don't call themselves vicar of christ nor do they take pride in chasing away the Queen of Sheba.  

If its the heart that matters to God, why is oyedepo preaching you shall never be poor.  What does wealth have to do with my heart?


I tire for this people o

Tudór:

RUBBISH!
what blessed children?
We PAID the damn fees and it aint cheap too!!

How much did you invest in CU wey person no go hear word? N10?

THIS IS A LIE!
The school was built through donations of church members!

And the church members are not complaining. They wholeheartedly gave their all to achieve that dream for the children of the most high God. Why are you crying more than the bereaved?

We were even encouraged to go to the site and do manual labour for the lord. . . .see professors, bankers, lawyers, so called educated men doing menial jobs because papa told them to sow seeds by carrying block and cement- what a shame!Thats what the offerings and tithes are for and not for sending your kids abroad and buying jets.

Offerings and tithes are strictly for the house of God and not for building universities or orphanages. Read your bible.

Aloy~Emeka:

You can own a fleet of cars and still be immersed in humility. Its the heart that matters to God. Your problem is that you don't have a clue about the things of the spirit. You judge the spiritual from the physical realm. Believe!

Sorry but you have things mixed up, the heart matters to God but that same Lord says - out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Your actions are a judgement on the state of your heart. You cant be amassing wealth, conning people out of their property, making merchandise of the people of God and have a heart that is right with God.

You dont have a clue about the things of the Spirit either . . . for what is most important to God isnt the size of your church or your schools, seminaries, gold rainment, private jets, number of times you preached in NY and London or the size of your congregation!

Offerings and tithes are strictly for the house of God and not for building universities or orphanages. Read your bible.

and that's why some churches now have a never ending building fund.

bawomolo:


humble people don't call themselves vicar of christ nor do they take pride in chasing away the Queen of Sheba.

 
The queen of Sheba represents darkness while Oyedepo represents light; both do not mix besides, it was a journalist that wrote that and not Oyedepo.

If its the heart that matters to God, why is oyedepo preaching you shall never be poor.  What does wealth have to do with my heart?

The bible said you will perish if you dont have knowledge. Over centuries, orthodox churches blinded believers and made them believe that being poor is normal. What has the new breed of fiery and pentecostal preachers done wrong by exposing the word of God and Gods desire for man ?. If people like Oyedepo,Oyakhilome etc didn't bring such message, you may give in to a little problem in life that drained your pocket simply because you didn't know that poverty is from the evil one. Children of God are meant to be prosperous and not retrogressive.
The bible said: Occupy and  Possess your possession meaning we must take back from the devil all he took away from us. The zion train may leave you if you continue to argue. Believe.

Aloy~Emeka:

How much did you invest in CU wey person no go hear word? N10?And the church members are not complaining. They wholeheartedly gave their all to achieve that dream for the children of the most high God. Why are you crying more than the bereaved?
Offerings and tithes are strictly for the house of God and not for building universities or orphanages. Read your bible.

Again that is a bold LIE!

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (King James Version)

22[b]Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed[/b], that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

24And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:

25Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:

26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

27And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou does.

They were supposed to EAT their own tithes after giving a portion of it to the levites!

@Aloy~Emeka

Aloy~Emeka:

Do you have a private jet for Oyedepo to borrow?. The cost of renting these jets, insurance and FAA regulations will kill their finances. Its always cheaper to buy because all you need to pay for is a little money for hanging it.

The point is, your groteque comparison of the colt Jesus rode, to the private jets and flashy rides of modern-day pastors is deeply flawed.   A colt was not something a rich man would ride in the days of Jesus.  He would typically own chariots (golden ones for that matter), customized private boats/yachts and the likes.  The fact that Jesus even borrowed an ordinary colt further confirms that you have absolutely no point there.

davidylan:

Sorry but you have things mixed up, the heart matters to God but that same Lord says - out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Your actions are a judgement on the state of your heart. You cant be amassing wealth, conning people out of their property, making merchandise of the people of God and have a heart that is right with God.

I am confused now, did Oyedepo kidnap his members and make them pay tithes?. They willingly gave to God because they believed His word. What makes him a conman then?. He is not even the caretaker of these tithes. Let me reiterate again, these pastors pay tithes too even though they shepherd a multinational church.

You dont have a clue about the things of the Spirit either . . . for what is most important to God isnt the size of your church or your schools, seminaries, gold rainment, private jets, number of times you preached in NY and London or the size of your congregation!

Yes but that doesn't mean the latter is not important. God dey watch you oo, stop abusing his ambassadors.

Here was why the tithes was instituted in the old testament - “I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting” (Numbers 18:21).

the levites were not allowed to work nor have inheritance in Israel nor own land, their lineage was specially set aside for the work of the priesthood and thus the tithes and offerings was all they had to depend on.

your pastors CAN work, have inheritances, own lands, cars and YET still demand the tithes of the poor?

At the end of every third year you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in that year, and shall deposit it in your town. And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance among you, and the alien, the orphan and the widow who are in your town, shall come and eat and be satisfied, in order that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do (Deuteronomy 14:28-29).

the tithes were paid ever 3 yrs (not every sunday like your thieves ask you) . . . was meant for levites, the alien, the orphans and the widows NOT for private jets, luxury cars, huge churches and CU.

Besides didnt aloy-emeka just call me old school for referencing the OT? why do they always run to the OT for tithes and offerings and abandon it when it speaks against their greed?

Are we sure that this Queen of Sheba fable is not a cover up for something more sinister? Why did Fake Bishop Oyedepo decide to lodge in the same hotel with this lady?

It wouldn't surprise me if they are having an unholy affair.

Purist:

@Aloy~Emeka

The point is, your groteque comparison of the colt Jesus rode, to the private jets and flashy rides of modern-day pastors is deeply flawed.   A colt was not something a rich man would ride in the days of Jesus.  He would typically own chariots (golden ones for that matter), customized private boats/yachts and the likes.  The fact that Jesus even borrowed an ordinary colt further confirms that you have absolutely no point there.

Jesus operated in the middle east( a pure desert), where will he sail these customized boats? Tigris river?. He chose the colt because it was an expensive ride. The triumphant entry means He entered Jerusalem like Abiola did in June 12 and with a Donkeycade too. Mary magdalene washed his feet with a perfume more expensive than Versace and He didn't complain. Why didn't He scold her and say 'haba, we for use the money feed hungry citizens' rather, it was Judas like many nairalanders who complained about the price of the perfume.

Children of God are meant to be prosperous and not retrogressive.

does a christian that dies poor go to heaven?

Aloy~Emeka:

I am confused now, did Oyedepo kidnap his members and make them pay tithes?. They willingly gave to God because they believed His word. What makes him a conman then?. He is not even the caretaker of these tithes. Let me reiterate again, these pastors pay tithes too even though they shepherd a multinational church.

They neither "willingly" gave nor gave to God. they gave out of fear, they gave because they were coerced into, they give because you consistently lie to them that giving is the only way they can recieve from God even though that isnt true.

Aloy~Emeka:

Yes but that doesn't mean the latter is not important. God dey watch you oo, stop abusing his ambassadors.

2 Cor 5:20 - every christian is an ambassador of Christ.

Have you found where the vicar of Christ on earth nonsense is found in your bible just yet?

qblaze:

My friend got married at Winners and I was his best man. I remember how the junior pastors nearly went crazy when he gave them envelopes padded with cash.

They kept on chanting, "Your marriage is blessed by Jesus", "You will experience total prosperity" blah blah blah.

The Holy Spirit didn't tell them that his wife-to-be was already pregnant.

The Holy Spirit didn't tell them that he had fathered a child outside wedlock.

The Holy Spirit didn't tell them that he had dozens of lovers.

They were just after his money.

well, be that as it may, in the end your friend will account for himself. Its not the pastors who will account for him.

This is why its so suspicious when people rain money anyhow.

Aloy~Emeka:

Jesus operated in the middle east( a pure desert), where will he sail these customized boats? Tigris river?. He chose the colt because it was an expensive ride. The triumphant entry means He entered Jerusalem like Abiola did in June 12 and with a Donkeycade too. Mary magdalene washed his feet with a perfume more expensive than Versace and He didn't complain. Why didn't He scold her and say 'haba, we for use the money feed hungry citizens' rather, it was Judas like many  nairalanders who complained about the price of the perfume.

Jesus did use water transportation at different points. so you have no point.


A perfume more expensive than versace?  chei, see levels.

You have to answer something though, do poor Christians go to heaven?