SMFH @ Nigerians. Regardless of how badly Nigerians wallows in poverty, they'd still never recognise when business men in the cloak of pastors and self-ordained bishops rip them off their hard-earned money by way of tithes and offering.

I can't believe how many people are sitting at their computers and fixing their mouths to praise these so-called "men of God". Question: how many of you can show me a far-reaching not-for-profit endeavour that these pastors have started to better the lives of their fellow citizens living in such abject poverty with no access to any economic safety net or social security? All they do is coax people to part with whatever little money they have.

Instead of you lot to think, you are hailing fraudsters while they dupe you.

Lol @ 'Queen of Sheba'.

People go just open mouth, talk nonsense and and grown-arse men would buy it, bullshit and all.

Mumu dey sha.

Nairalanders!!!!!!!

We all should be careful how we blaspheme the men of GOD. I believe we are so hard on this people, judge urself and find out if everything you do is right by all standards.

However, let us remeber what the word of God says in Proverbs
-Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm.

We may not face d repercussion now,

In any religion, wot matters is ur relationship btw u nd UR GOD, it is individualistic, if u feel ure not edified by what a man of GOD preaches go back to basics thats your bible confirm and move on with what u believe.

Like i said d race is individualistic not with ur pastor/bishop/priests/primates/imam, let us learn that on earth ds people are men and de can falter like you and 1

Remain blessed and have a wondaful wknd

lonewolf:

Mumu dey sha.

yes oooo dem dey plenty.

lonewolf:

SMFH @ Nigerians. Regardless of how badly Nigerians wallows in poverty, they'd still never recognise when business men in the cloak of pastors and self-ordained bishops rip them off their hard-earned money by way of tithes and offering.

its in our blood. Nigerians never learn and are always strongheaded even when the truth is staring right back @ them.

chic2pimp:

yes oooo dem dey plenty.its in our blood. Nigerians never learn and are always strongheaded even when the truth is staring right back @ them.

Truth just has a different meaning for them.

Chrisbenogor:

Truth just has a different meaning for them.

WORD

@ Davidylan

You have always got a nice post each time. But sometimes, its difficult to place whether you are a xtian or that you just have a kind of bias against some xtians or preachers. As much as you seems to be well grounded in knowledge, it suffices to say that adding control to knowledge could be another worthwhile virtue. A lot of xtians could have got it wrong and thats clear. But to stand in the public to condemn them seems not to be the best solution at calling them back to the faith. We all have things wrong in one way or the other, since we are still in the flesh, although this should not be taken as an excuse for our avoidable laxity. The short comings only become more obvious as we climb a more conspicous ladder of responsibility. I am not a member of "Winners Chapel" at all, though attended the church only once in Nigeria and Im not here to defend any man of God because the God they proffess to serve should be able to do so by Himself if need be. But to out rightly say Oyedepo is not seving God sound like passing straight Judgement. Even Jesus never allowed the adulterous woman who was caught in the very act to be out rightly condemmed except the accuser are guitless themselves. Why should we now condemm our fellow christians because we perceive or know they are doing it wrong in one way or the other.

A situation where people that are against the church nods in awe of your brillance at exposing the flaws of preachers could not be adding soul to the kingdom. And as a matter of fact, God knows those who are His,

He was here sometime last month, and some gal dragged me 2 d Excel Centre for his programme. Queens of Sheba are all over London, He should have cast some out if he is in d business of doing that.

mystikal:

He was here sometime last month, and some gal dragged me 2 d Excel Centre for his programme. Queens of Sheba are all over London, He should have cast some out if he is in d business of doing that.

absolutely dem plenty. Or as fela calls them 'International Theif Theif'

pecu5:

Nairalanders!!!!!!!

We all should be careful how we blaspheme the men of GOD. I believe we are so hard on this people, judge urself and find out if everything you do is right by all standards.

However, let us remeber what the word of God says in Proverbs
-Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm.

We may not face d repercussion now,

In any religion, wot matters is your relationship btw u nd your GOD, it is individualistic, if u feel ure not edified by what a man of GOD preaches go back to basics thats your bible confirm and move on with what u believe.

Like i said d race is individualistic not with your pastor/bishop/priests/primates/imam, let us learn that on earth ds people are men and de can falter like you and 1

Remain blessed and have a wondaful wknd

It is in 1 Chronicles and Ps 105 not proverbs. It just shows many of you are brain-washed and dont read your own bibles to seek the truth. The same God who said "touch not mine anointed" to the Jews in the wilderness did not hesitate to destroy all those who sinned in that same wilderness. "Touch not mine anointed" didnt save those who worshiped the golden calf . . . not even Aaron. Moses didnt even get to the promised land . . . i dont know who else was more anointed than him.

beewhyfocs:

@ Davidylan

You have always got a nice post each time. But sometimes, its difficult to place whether you are a xtian or that you just have a kind of bias against some xtians or preachers. As much as you seems to be well grounded in knowledge, it suffices to say that adding control to knowledge could be another worthwhile virtue. A lot of xtians could have got it wrong and thats clear. But to stand in the public to condemn them seems not to be the best solution at calling them back to the faith. We all have things wrong in one way or the other, since we are still in the flesh, although this should not be taken as an excuse for our avoidable laxity. The short comings only become more obvious as we climb a more conspicous ladder of responsibility. I am not a member of "Winners Chapel" at all, though attended the church only once in Nigeria and Im not here to defend any man of God because the God they proffess to serve should be able to do so by Himself if need be. But to out rightly say Oyedepo is not seving God sound like passing straight Judgement. Even Jesus never allowed the adulterous woman who was caught in the very act to be out rightly condemmed except the accuser are guitless themselves. Why should we now condemm our fellow christians because we perceive or know they are doing it wrong in one way or the other.

A situation where people that are against the church nods in awe of your brillance at exposing the flaws of preachers could not be adding soul to the kingdom. And as a matter of fact, God knows those who are His,  

your churches are not adding souls to the kingdom but money to their pockets. You think all those thousands who flock to church are truly seeking His face? Why then is our country still so corrupt even though we have more churches than anyone else?

Our "christianity" is not God-centered today, it is man-centered. Bless me now now oh God . . . where are those seeking His will and to do it?

The material impact of religion and religious institutions in today’s society should cover spiritual succour and physical/economic well being. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying churches should give people money. Far from it: what I mean is that apart from ‘casting out’ demons, people like ‘Bishop’ Oyedepo should be involved in robust not-for-profit operations. They should be giving out scholarships to hundreds of poor but able Nigerian students from most hopeless regions. They should be vocal in their advocacy for good governance. Tuition should be free in their university. They should be taking clear steps to materially better the economic situation of the society they claim they provide spiritual succour to. Instead, you get these barely literate men with pot-bellies hustling money off an already battered population.

What makes this whole clusterfuck even more tragic is that the exploited defend the exploiter. It’s kind of like slaves protecting their masters’ interests. That’s some twisted s—t.

As I said earlier: mumu dey.

@ Davidlyan

I know you will always have something to point out. You seems to always write as if you know it all.

Your statement; "your churches are not adding souls to the kingdom but money to their pockets"; probably points out that you count yourself not to be a christain.

"You think all those thousands who flock to church are truly seeking His face? Why then is our country still so corrupt even though we have more churches than anyone else?"

Its not today that people seek bread or miracle from services. Jesus encountered the same and pointed out to the crowd that they sought him because of the bread he fed them with.

Notwithstanding, that does not rule out the fact that there are some remnant who seek God and ready to follow the truth,  I dont know why you chose to blame the corruption of the entire nation on the the prescence of the churches in Nigeria. And as much as possible, there are christians that are not corrupt in the country. We have a lot of churches in the country, Yes but when the church talks about empowerment or prosperity we say the church is diverting from preaching the gospel to discussing prosperity.

How can people stop being corrupt if they are not taught how to make money legitmately?? If the government or our educational system is not instilling in people, the fundamental values of legitmate earning, will it be wrong for the church to help in the same through empowerment teachings?

Couple with this, there are sound churches in Nigeria that teaches christ principle. But the pastors can't decide for their members. Even if they hear those sound words, they have still got to make their decision. Its like blaming Jesus for the fate of the second thief with him on the cross, even if we dont know where he is today. Two people were hanged on the cross alongside the messaiah and only one saw the saviour the other blame him for his condition. So God is a God of choice.  The Isrealites that even had the awesome prescence of God resident with them like the pillar of cloud and fire still chose to perish in the wilderness. I know you will not blame the prescence of God for their predicament. Why do you chose to blame the proliferation of churches for the woes of our country?

Also,Let it be clear that its not in all empowerment or prosperity teachings that people are mandated to give money or seeds as some are quick to respond to. I have been in churches where u are told and that its not compulsory to give but if you understand the principle.

I am a christian and I read my bible, Im moved by the scriptures not by the man of God or the church. Let people follow their heart and understanding of God's word and stop sounding like all knowing.



Are you a christian or not? Just asking and which church do you attend if a christian?

davidylan:

Aloy-Emeka

Lets face the TRUTH:

1. The reason we put politicians in the front pews, offer them the cushioned seats and leg rests in our places of "worship" is because of the money we get. If those pastors cared ONE JOT about the repentance of their souls 2 things will happen - those rich thieves either repent in tears and change their ways OR refuse to attend church again. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a sinner to hear the unadulterated gospel of salvation and REMAIN THE SAME! Something is not right when Obasanjo can feel free to come and sit on the high throne at Canaanland and go back to rig elections, loot the treasury and continue with his mistresses.

I disagree because some believers do not know how to fight the devil. Did Adeboye and Oyedepo equip them with enough knowledge to fight the devil and his temptations?.  I still maintain that these pastors befriended them in other to bring them to Christ.

beewhyfocs:

@ Davidlyan

I know you will always have something to point out. You seems to always write as if you know it all.

this is a pathetic cop-out. I dont know all, you wont find me arguing scriptures with the likes of olaadegbu for instance who i know are GENUINE CHRISTIANS who truly READ the bible as against simply regurgitating what they hear from the pulpit and excusing religious 419.

beewhyfocs:

Your statement; "your churches are not adding souls to the kingdom but money to their pockets"; probably points out that you count yourself not to be a christain.

there is no correlation between the two. Your large churches today are simple whitened sepulchres filled with dead mens bones, they are monuments to greed and covetousness. Filled with people who are NOT interested in seeking the face of God as much as crying bless me now now . . . with material blessings of course.

Dont be decieved by the huge turnout to your conventions . . . the bible says Christ would hardly find faith on earth at the last days . . . He didnt say there would be none in the "church".

beewhyfocs:

Notwithstanding, that does not rule out the fact that there are some remnant who seek God and ready to follow the truth,  I dont know why you chose to blame the corruption of the entire nation on the the prescence of the churches in Nigeria. And as much as possible, there are christians that are not corrupt in the country.

God has always had a remnant that will not bow down the knee to Baal.

beewhyfocs:

We have a lot of churches in the country, Yes but when the church talks about empowerment or prosperity we say the church is diverting from preaching the gospel to discussing prosperity.

My brother, forget my ID for a second and think deeply. where in the bible are we asked to speak about "empowerment" or material prosperity? Please show me.

beewhyfocs:

Are you a christian or not? Just asking and which church do you attend if a christian?

thank God for you. I am a christian . . . i attend The Father's house here in upstate NY. You can google for TFH rochester if you want.

Aloy~Emeka:

I disagree because some believers do not know how to fight the devil. Did Adeboye and Oyedepo equip them with enough knowledge to fight the devil and his temptations?.  I still maintain that these pastors befriended them in other to bring them to Christ.

and how many have been brought to Christ? The message of "i will not be poor" is what saves a dying soul?

davidylan:

Personal business. I remember early 2000/2001 when i first started going to winners with a friend, we would give 2 offerings . . . one for church and the other for CU building. when it was completed i was asking my friend if his younger ones could attend the school since he and his family had been faithful members since the church started in Kaduna in 1982 . . . of course the cost was just too high . . . and we never got our offerings back.

Those who now attend CU are sons and daughters of rogues who would never even step within the walls of the church.

Your contribution towards Cu was a gift to God and not an investment, no be so?. Why expect a pay back from Oyedepo  when God must have paid you back in hundred folds?. Those catholic missionaries who built schools and hospitals in Africa didn't have children who will attend them besides, they were already educated. A philanthropist from my village recently built a big sec school in my village for poor children to attend for free. His children are all grown and they live in Missouri, so there is no hope that any of his generation will benefit from that school yet he spent all his money on it. Should he ask for a pay back?.
What your friend and you did was an act of mercy and the good lord will pay you back and bless all those students you helped put into school. Are you aware that some students attend CU on scholarship from Oyedepo?

davidylan:

and how many have been brought to Christ? The message of "i will not be poor" is what saves a dying soul?

You can force a horse to the stream but not to drink the water. The good seed has been planted and we are waiting for it to germinate. Ibori and Obasanjo will come to Christ before you know it. We ought to pray and not to lose heart.

Aloy~Emeka:

Your contribution towards Cu was a gift to God and not an investment, no be so?. Why expect a pay back from Oyedepo  when God must have paid you back in hundred folds?.

this is the fraud you are sold in church to make you part with your money. To start with we dont "pay" tithe so God can "pay" us back "100-fold". We GIVE Him of what He has so generously blessed us with as an act of worship, it is entirely His choice to bless us in response.

The gift to CU i consider as an investment because it has been turned into a profit-making business. It has nothing to do with God at all . . . i wonder why Christ spent 33 yrs on earth and didnt consider setting up a small school for carpenters. He would have had a place to lay his head and not have had to borrow a colt.

Aloy~Emeka:

Those catholic missionaries who built schools and hospitals in Africa didn't have children who will attend them besides, they were already educated.

This is pitiful. So their schools were basically free-of-charge because they didnt have kids to attend there and they had already finished school? Have you people even read Acts to see how the disciples took care of those within the body of Christ?

Aloy~Emeka:

Are you aware that some students attend CU on scholarship from Oyedepo?

And? What is the motive of the school? Profiteering or for the body of Christ?

Purist:

My guess is that your pastor told you the donkey's colour.

Besides, the chariots in His days would be a more appropriate comparison to the jets of today.  And as someone rightly implied, the donkey was, in fact, a borrowed one.

Do you have a private jet for Oyedepo to borrow?. The cost of renting these jets, insurance and FAA regulations will kill their finances. Its always cheaper to buy because all you need to pay for is a little money for hanging it.

Aloy~Emeka:

You can force a horse to the stream but not to drink the water. The good seed has been planted and we are waiting for it to germinate. Ibori and Obasanjo will come to Christ before you know it. We ought to pray and not to lose heart.

You people are beyond deluded. What "good seed" did you plant? Letting them know that it is ok to loot the country while your pastors keep quiet and eat with them in private?

When David took Bathsheba and had Uriah killed, prophet Nathan didnt come to pat him on the back and tell him the good seed had been planted. Remember prophet Micaiah and his prophecy to King Ahab? All the other "prophets"/sychophants told him to "go up and prosper" . . . Micaiah didnt hesitate to tell the truth even at the risk to his freedom and life.

continue giving them the front pews, turning the other way when they pay their "tithes" from the proceeds of corruption then talk of "good seed" being planted.

Aloy~Emeka:

Do you have a private jet for Oyedepo to borrow?. The cost of renting these jets, insurance and FAA regulations will kill their finances. Its always cheaper to buy because all you need to pay for is a little money for hanging it.

Where was brother Paul's private yatch and golden chariot?

The hollowness of your argument makes me wonder in amazement. Do these men need jets? why are they renting jets to go "preach the word" in London and NY when men are dying without hearing the gospel in our remote villages in Iseyin?

the white man brought us christianity, why are we going back to "preach" to him?

Aloy~Emeka:

Do you have a private jet for Oyedepo to borrow?. The cost of renting these jets, insurance and FAA regulations will kill their finances. Its always cheaper to buy because all you need to pay for is a little money for hanging it.

that's what airline tickets are for. Or is Oyedepo to precious to mingle with common folks like Jesus?

Aloy~Emeka:

Do you have a private jet for Oyedepo to borrow?. The cost of  renting these jets, insurance and FAA regulations will kill their finances. Its always cheaper to buy because all you need to pay for is a little money for hanging it.

the cost of maintaining the jets, paying pilots, parking fees, FAA regulations, insurance will be far far more expensive. If it were cheaper to buy a jet the business of jet renting wouldn't exist.

chartered flights and plane tickets are for poor men

davidylan:

this is the fraud you are sold in church to make you part with your money. To start with we dont "pay" tithe so God can "pay" us back "100-fold". We GIVE Him of what He has so generously blessed us with as an act of worship, it is entirely His choice to bless us in response.

All I know is whatever was your intention, you didn't give Oyedepo the money , you gave it to God and Oyedepo represented God by judiciously investing to uplift the lives of the blessed children of God. Its unbelievers who are yet to know christ that suffer from poverty, why not follow the rules and see God bless you till you get tired. You also need to understand that Oyedepo has a seminary where he trains pastors[i think for free] and educate them on how to pilot a ministry and evangelize the world.

This is pitiful. So their schools were basically free-of-charge because they didnt have kids to attend there and they had already finished school? Have you people even read Acts to see how the disciples took care of those within the body of Christ?

We don't know what they took in return. Oyedepo paid through his nose to build CU and you want to get free education there? Are you kidding me?

And? What is the motive of the school? Profiteering or for the body of Christ?

Its NGO just like the church but the bills gotta be paid.

Aloy~Emeka:

Your contribution towards Cu was a gift to God and not an investment, no be so?. Why expect a pay back from Oyedepo  when God must have paid you back in hundred folds?.

Who's asking for payback?
Simple question is my donations went towards building the missionary school why can't i afford to send my kids there. . . .is christian education only for the rich?

Those catholic missionaries who built schools and hospitals in Africa didn't have children who will attend them besides, they were already educated.

What is this?
Do you read before you post?
And who told you early missionary workers didn't have kids who benefitted from their free education and health schemes. . . .where do you think they got treatment from, the moon?

A philanthropist from my village recently built a big sec school in my village for poor children to attend for free. His children are all grown and they live in Missouri, so there is no hope that any of his generation will benefit from that school yet he spent all his money on it. Should he ask for a pay back?.

How does this relate to oyedepo, he's neither a philantropist nor did he build the school with his money and the school aint cheap for the poor either

What your friend and you did was an act of mercy and the good lord will pay you back and bless all those students you helped put into school. Are you aware that some students attend CU on scholarship from Oyedepo?

This is absolute crap!!
Less than 1% of the students was on scholarship. . . .infact i can even list their names.

@ Davidlyan
Thank God for you. But you exclude yourself ,in a way, in your post when you use the words such as " your churches" as if others are the ones responsible for the laxity of some churches. Albeit, using a public media to speak against christains does not in anyway promote the faith.  U did not still explain how the proliferations of churches in Nigeria is responsible for the nation's corruption as you earlier mentioned.

bawomolo:

that's what airline tickets are for.   Or is Oyedepo to precious to mingle with common folks like Jesus?

Why not also suggest for him to use molue?. Does Obama fly commercial plane?. If no, why do you expect a whole vicar of Christ on earth to fly general air molue?

Tudór:


Less than 1% of the students was on scholarship. . . .infact i can even list their names.

Were you his student because I am sure you cant be a CU lecturer because you absolutely lack any gift from the holy ghost?.

Aloy~Emeka:

Why not also suggest for him to use molue?. Does Obama fly commercial plane?. If no, why do you expect a whole vicar of Christ on earth to fly general air molue?

these highlighted words says it all. Some people will never learn.

Aloy~Emeka:

Why not also suggest for him to use molue?. Does Obama fly commercial plane?. If no, why do you expect a whole vicar of Christ on earth to fly general air molue?

Did you just compare a man of God (oyedepo) to a man of the world (Pres Obama)?

a Vicar of Christ? na you give am the title. see personality worship. stalin is proud

davidylan:

the cost of maintaining the jets, paying pilots, parking fees, FAA regulations, insurance will be far far more expensive. If it were cheaper to buy a jet the business of jet renting wouldn't exist.

I meant for regular renters. These intercontinental pastors are always on the go and its cheaper in the long run to buy a jet. If Richard Branson owns one, why can't a child of God own one?