CatfishBilly:

Guy see all these money, go win them, then we'll talk.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

my level never reach that one... But the one I have is enough to liberate your mind.. If you are not in kwara...and can't come over... Just ignore...dnt have time to argue..

updatemachine:
my level never reach that one... But the one I have is enough to liberate your mind.. If you are not in kwara...and can't come over... Just ignore...dnt have time to argue..

It's not a matter of level, your ring can do something that isn't natural, they are offering money for you to show them something that isn't natural.
Your ring can do that, go for it.
By my estimation, the total sum is more than $2million

updatemachine:
Lemme hit your chest with my ring, you will loose total consciousness for a specified amount of time...

Making someone unconscious by hitting a strategic part of the person's body is called a knockout punch. Every competent boxer can do it.

Seun:

Making someone unconscious by hitting a strategic part of the person's body is called a knockout punch. Every competent boxer can do it.

knockout punch..? Lol.. I dunno mean hit with full force.. Just to hit...TOUCH..If that is what you understand...

C'mon do you guys think those who use human for ritual, kill human to eat with vegetable..?

I have a very little idea about how dey do it though... I only expert in some small stuffs...

I have a brother who has more experience than me...he makes eyebrow dust for female attraction...

If you can come here to kwara, iponri...you will see all.. Not typing on a windows xp keyboard..

CatfishBilly:

It's not a matter of level, your ring can do something that isn't natural, they are offering money for you to show them something that isn't natural.
Your ring can do that, go for it.
By my estimation, the total sum is more than $2million

how is it done or are u paying my flight bill..?

updatemachine:
my level never reach that one... But the one I have is enough to liberate your mind.. If you are not in kwara...and can't come over... Just ignore...dnt have time to argue..

You say wetin? Ya level never reach wetin?
Gonna pee on my trouser

No talk again jare....

So yà magical ring dae country specific.? Buhahahahahahaha...


Una no go kill person with laugh on NL - magicians

adepeter26:

You say wetin? Ya level never reach wetin?
Gonna pee on my trouser

No talk again jare....

So yà magical ring dae country specific.? Buhahahahahahaha...


Una no go kill person with laugh on NL - magicians

You looking for savage or what..?
Try to get me first.. because you atheist have that habits of pushing a new meaning to a clear something...

What I mean that my level no reach there is that... I have very basic charms... I believe those type of competition is for more advanced pipz that can do better things...
I have people here who are far better...I only learnt basic stuffs... And I have no use for them..

So get back your trousers and keep wallowing in delusion..

updatemachine:

You looking for savage or what..?
Try to get me first.. because you atheist have that habits of pushing a new meaning to a clear something...

Sorry for misunderstanding you. You sounded funny walai.

What I mean that my level no reach there is that... I have very basic charms...

No vex o-o. I have few questions that may sound silly but worth thing.
You say clearly said you Ve basic magics?
What are the restrictions to ya basic magic?

I believe those type of competition is for more advanced pipz that can do better things...

But your own is for local people in Nigeria specifically those that reside in Kwara

I have people here who are far better...I only learnt basic stuffs... And I have no use for them..

You learnt basic stuffs but have no use for them *sound funny again*

So get back your trousers and keep wallowing in delusion..

Make i tell you, i be ọmọ Yorùbá ponbele like you.
I don stand people who claim to use charm or juju and nothing happened.

A person of ya type boasted like this, he brought out OLUGBOHUN, chanted rubbish, ranted saying, me and my family won't live to witness 2017 beginning.

Brother, me and my complete family dae alive till now.

Yoruba local men and mouth be like bread & butter

adepeter26:

Sorry for misunderstanding you. You sounded funny walai.

No vex o-o. I have few questions that may sound silly but worth thing.
You say clearly said you Ve basic magics?
What are the restrictions to ya basic magic?

But your own is for local people in Nigeria specifically those that reside in Kwara

You learnt basic stuffs but have no use for them *sound funny again*

Make i tell you, i be ọmọ Yorùbá ponbele like you.
I don stand people who claim to use charm or juju and nothing happened.

Someone of ya type boasted like this, he brought out OLUGBOHUN, chanted rubbish, ranted me and my family won't live to witness 2017 beginning.

Brother, me and my complete family dae alive till now.

Yoruba local men and mouth be like bread & butter

and here you go again...still adding your own sauce to make my statement clueless.. Here I will explain for the last time to you...

I never mentioned MAGIC in any of my statements..magic is a different thing totally...

And the feck! Did I ever tel you it restricted to kwara.. Why dnt u aply your no6...

I learnt basic stuff means I didn't go deeply into it...the basic stuff I learnt.. I have no use for them...why will u use what you don't need, that's more reason I didn't go far in it..

But why do you keep bugging me... I need just one or two of your representative atleast to show some stuff one on one...and If you do not live around and can't make it here stay alone and wait for someone else...

And who told you am Yoruba..? Though I hear yoruba but am from kogi... But my family reside here in kwara..

That's the main reason I dnt like arguing with you guys... You sound surely clueless... If the person says ABC.. You change it to IJL just to prove your fecking point...

Goodluck to you. The poster above me.....

Thanks for makin me laugh sha

Even seun use the word GOD a lot..

CatfishBilly:

Guy see all these money, go win them, then we'll talk.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

case closed

Seun:
Atheists don't turn to God when they are in mortal trouble. They tend to say things like "shit", "Bleep", "damn it", "we are so screwed".
They might also soil their pants. However, in such dire situations, something as ineffective as prayer would scarcely cross their minds.

We understand Atheists don't believe in a God or gods. But what do you believe in personally Seun.

pressplay411:


We understand Atheists don't believe in a God or gods. But what do you believe in personally Seun.

he's an atheist too

bump

hopefulLandlord:
"There are no atheists in foxholes"

You've probably heard it many times over

For the sake of those that don't know what a foxhole is

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4265352_qlow250pxfoxholelebanonbeirutjuly1958_jpege60bdd95c1ea0b8a45166466b3303d6c

That is what a foxhole looks like

Its simply defined as a Defensive Fighting Position

The picture above is just an external view of it

Below is the internal view

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4265422_mainqimg730a02a710f96b5df92c0ec16f3efc3ec_jpegd77a2fa02176543dd2ad630c8c3728fb

Its dug into the ground to provide protection from enemy fire

Such holes are usually dug in the soldier's territory, so its only (usually) used when the enemy attacks your territory, it is usually a last layer of protection and means certain death when the enemy breaches the hole area, you can't call for air strike either because the explosives that would be sent by the aircrafts can kill soldiers in foxholes

The saying "There are no atheists in foxhole" therefore means when the enemy attacks and you have to defend your forte from a hole in the ground, you start praying to a higher power to help you out of the situation you find yourself because raising your head out of the hole at the wrong time would lead to your head being blown away!!

How true therefore is this saying?

It would be broken down in further posts

This is a report from a soldier himself

June 1916 “The Times” of London printed a comment from a soldier as reported by the Lord Mayor of London: 6

I can tell you, Sir, there are no atheists in the trenches. There is something in the air which tells us, when most eager to fight for our country, that we must trust to a Higher Power.


I agree with you, there may be some few atheist who still keep to their non god existence during bombardment...but most atheist soldiers who go to war and face near death experience do reconsider their faith....even those who are beliver but are not very strong in faith redouble their faith ...there was a US report that indicate it...

Check a picture of some soldiers praying in war front...

vaxx:

This is a report from a soldier himself

June 1916 “The Times” of London printed a comment from a soldier as reported by the Lord Mayor of London: 6

I can tell you, Sir, there are no atheists in the trenches. There is something in the air which tells us, when most eager to fight for our country, that we must trust to a Higher Power.


I agree with you, there may be some few atheist who still keep to their non god existence during bombardment...but most atheist soldiers who go to war and face near death experience do reconsider their faith....even those who acre beliver but are not very strong in faith redouble their faith ...there was a US report that indicate it...

Check a picture of some soldiers praying in war front...

No doubt there may be atheists that become religious in hostile situations but this thread is challenging the saying that all atheists would definitely call on a god in such situations

I do not know how valid the 1916 quote you gave is but I'd rather ask atheists soldiers themselves than ask third parties as the bias of a third party might come to play, I gave the story of a soldier who faced impending death but didn't call on any god on the first page, I prefer such over third or fourth hand accounts

hopefulLandlord:


No doubt there may be atheists that become religious in hostile situations but this thread is challenging the saying that all atheists would definitely call on a god in such situations

I do not know how valid the 1916 quote you gave is but I'd rather ask atheists soldiers themselves than ask third parties as the bias of a third party might come to play, I gave the story of a soldier who faced impending death but didn't call on any god on the first page, I prefer such over third or fourth hand accounts

that quote was from an academic research paper...i can't post all on this page becuse of plagiarism.... You may as well do you own research online to justify the claim

The truth of the matter is.....some athiest can still remain adamant even to the point of death....that is his unchanging dogma...they are many Christian who prefer to die just to say the shaadah ( Islamic attestation of faith) even at the point of daggar or gun ...so the same with Muslim who wear the garment of bomb to kill himself for the sake of Allah....(fear do not take its cause...it is their belive and dogma which supersedes their fear ..

My argument here is base on general view of any rational human being who exhibit a complete character of fear and anxiety at the pont of danger....be you solder or civilian... We are both human with this natural quality ...it is normal we still hope to live or survive despite the closeness to death. In time of extreme stress and difficulty..


study by University of Oxford psychologists also suggests that faith in the explanatory and revealing power of science increases in the face of stress or anxiety.

To empirically examine the question, "Are there atheists in foxholes?" Cornell University behavioral economist, Brian Wansink examined 949 post-combat surveys of World War II American infantrymen and observed that these soldiers' reliance on prayer rose from 42% to 72% as the battle intensified. To test the lasting impact of combat on religious behavior, a follow-up survey was conducted 50 years later with a different sample of veterans from all branches of service. First study of the sample included analysis of archived World War II surveys after a battle and showed a soldier’s reliance on prayer rose from 32% to 74% as the battle intensified.The second study showed that 50 years later, many soldiers still exhibited religious behavior, but it varied by their war experience. Soldiers who faced heavy combat (vs. no combat) attended church 21% more often if they claimed their war experience was negative, but those who claimed their experience was positive attended 26% less often. The more a combat veteran disliked the war, the more religious they were 50 years later.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes

vaxx:
that quote was from an academic research paper...i can't post all on this page becuse of plagiarism.... You may as well do you own research online to justify the claim

The truth of the matter is.....some athiest can still remain adamant even to the point of death....that is his unchanging dogma...they are many Christian who prefer to die just to say the shaadah ( Islamic attestation of faith) even at the point of daggar or gun ...so the same with Muslim who wear the garment of bomb to kill himself for the sake of Allah....(fear do not take its cause...it is their belive and dogma which supersedes their fear ..

My argument here is base on general view of any rational human being who exhibit a complete character of fear and anxiety at the pont of danger....be you solder or civilian... We are both human with this natural quality ...it is normal who still hope to live or survive despite the closeness to death. In time of extreme stress and difficulty..


study by University of Oxford psychologists also suggests that faith in the explanatory and revealing power of science increases in the face of stress or anxiety.

To empirically examine the question, "Are there atheists in foxholes?" Cornell University behavioral economist, Brian Wansink examined 949 post-combat surveys of World War II American infantrymen and observed that these soldiers' reliance on prayer rose from 42% to 72% as the battle intensified. To test the lasting impact of combat on religious behavior, a follow-up survey was conducted 50 years later with a different sample of veterans from all branches of service. First study of the sample included analysis of archived World War II surveys after a battle and showed a soldier’s reliance on prayer rose from 32% to 74% as the battle intensified.The second study showed that 50 years later, many soldiers still exhibited religious behavior, but it varied by their war experience. Soldiers who faced heavy combat (vs. no combat) attended church 21% more often if they claimed their war experience was negative, but those who claimed their experience was positive attended 26% less often. The more a combat veteran disliked the war, the more religious they were 50 years later.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes

study Wikipedia's references first https://archive.is/dHHQK

hopefulLandlord:


study Wikipedia's references first https://archive.is/dHHQK

that is the best for this debate... References on Wikipedia are trully scrutinized.... Gone are the days when fallacy can easily be detected on Wikipedia.... It reference Oxford university and cornel uni..

vaxx:
that is the best for this debate... References on Wikipedia are trully scrutinized.... Gone are this days when fallacy can easily be detected on Wikipedia.... It reference Oxford university and cornel uni..

that's what I'm saying, the link I gave is the source, study it

hopefulLandlord:


that's what I'm saying, the link I gave is the source, study it

.’ In the end, saying there are no atheists in foxholes may be less of an argument against atheism than it is against foxholes.”



This is what you are likely directiing me toward....I have read it in details... Right?

vaxx:
.’ In the end, saying there are no atheists in foxholes may be less of an argument against atheism than it is against foxholes.”



This is what you are likely directiing me toward....I have read it in details... Right?

if you studied the link very well you'll see the study didn't study atheists, it only studied soldiers in general which is actually a big issue when we get down to the specifics; a study of atheist soldiers would've been more accurate as being irreligious=/= atheism

secondly, they said soldier's reliance on prayers rose to 72%, that still doesn't tell us who amongst these guys that now relied on prayers were actually atheists to begin with, I've met theists who also don't rely on prayers (they rely more on action), that doesn't make them atheists, does it?

thirdly, below was your point

My argument here is base on general view of any rational human being who exhibit a complete character of fear and anxiety at the pont of danger....be you solder or civilian... We are both human with this natural quality ...it is normal who still hope to live or survive despite the closeness to death. In time of extreme stress and difficulty..

of course I can't argue against that, everyone hopes to survive and everyone has fears but that doesn't mean much in this discussion or is there something I'm missing?

hopefulLandlord:


if you studied the link very well you'll see the study didn't study atheists, it only studied soldiers in general which is actually a big issue when we get down to the specifics; a study of atheist soldiers would've been more accurate as being irreligious=/= atheism

secondly, they said soldier's reliance on prayers rose to 72%, that still doesn't tell us who amongst these guys that now relied on prayers were actually atheists to begin with, I've met theists who also don't rely on prayers (they rely more on action), that doesn't make them atheists, does it?

thirdly, below was your point



of course I'm can't argue against that, everyone hopes to survive and everyone has fears but that doesn't mean much or is there something I'm missing?

that is why I actually do not really know what you are directing me to do....

I copy the above quote as a suggestions of what you mean but since you have clarify it.. The research study the general behavior of solder and atheist inclusive.... It will be wrong to specifically study atheism alone....since the puporse of the research is to compare and contrast.... The last sentence indicate it...



I simply indicate that atheist who reject prayer at the point of danger do not do it becuse of their wish but becuse their dogma and belive supersed their Fear.... It is normal you wish for an invincible helper to aid you in point of danger...the report indicate

hopefulLandlord:


if you studied the link very well you'll see the study didn't study atheists, it only studied soldiers in general which is actually a big issue when we get down to the specifics; a study of atheist soldiers would've been more accurate as being irreligious=/= atheism

secondly, they said soldier's reliance on prayers rose to 72%, that still doesn't tell us who amongst these guys that now relied on prayers were actually atheists to begin with, I've met theists who also don't rely on prayers (they rely more on action), that doesn't make them atheists, does it?

thirdly, below was your point



of course I can't argue against that, everyone hopes to survive and everyone has fears but that doesn't mean much in this discussion or is there something I'm missing?

I admire your patience

Proudgorgeousga:


I admire your patience

do you want to contribute or you want to be a referee? I observe that character of yours in many of my thread

vaxx:
do you want to contribute or you want to be a referee?

I can write whatever I want to to write.

Proudgorgeousga:


I can write whatever I want to to write.

you are welcome to do so, so long you do not insult...

vaxx:
you are welcome to do so, so long you do not insult...

I didn't insult anyone

Proudgorgeousga:


I didn't insult anyone

then, that will be kind of you..

vaxx:
that is why I actually do not really know what you are directing me to do....

I copy the above quote as a suggestions of what you mean but since you have clarify it.. The research study the general behavior of solder atheist inclusive.... It will be wrong to specifically study atheism alone....since the puporse of the research is to compare and contrast.... The last senyenceindicate it...

"atheists inclusive" but the limitations of this study is very obvious if one really studies it; I'm open to revising my conclusions but this study doesn't cut it for me

hopefulLandlord:


"atheists inclusive" but the limitations of this study is very obvious if one really studies it; I'm open to revising my conclusions but this study doesn't cut it for me

not to argue back and forth....you reject the research simply because it is not specific on atheist solder..even when the research actually says solder in general.(infantry solder of word war 2). Am Cool with that...

Do you read my response when I said dogma and believe can supersed fear?