Empiree:
well, since you chose to get involved, how about you answer this:

"Quran Competetion" is a worldwide program in Muslim world. It was started by a Malaysian in the 60s. Saudis do organize it these days but there is no daleel for it but if you have one kindly post it from Quran and sunnah.

So my question is, Saudis do it s well they are innovators or not like those who say "sadaqaAllah azeem"?.

AbuuBilaal:


They are completely different, it's only a person who is completely ignorant of Usool fiqh that will be confused by such.

The competition falls under what is called Masaalihul mursalah -if you've ever heard that- just like the compilation of the Quran, Hadith, the building of madrasah, the breaking of knowledge into several fields, the building of Madrasah etc.

The saying of sodaqallahul Azeez is a dhikr attributed to a specific event. Attributing a dhikr to a specific time, place or event is an act of legislation that only Allah has the right to.

So, this is one thing and that is another, don't get them mixed up. See Imam Shaatibiy's book al-Muwaafaqaat for details and further clarification.

AbuuBilaal:
^This reminds me of a post on this forum

https://www.nairaland.com/3616951/soofeeyahs-dislike-knowledge

AbdelKabir:

...practice of saying “Sadaqa Allâh” after reciting Qur’ân was actually revealed in the context of confirming what was said about how all food had been lawful to Bani Isra’eel except what Isra’eel had made unlawful for himself.

AbuuBilaal:
@Empiree, the only point worth replying is the last.

Dhikr are of two groups:

# Restricted Dhikr: these are those that Allah has ordered that they be said at specific place, time, manner, situation and a specific number. Examples are the dhikr of sujood, rukoo, entering and leaving the toilet, home, mosque, dhikr of morning and evening, when the wind blows, when the thunder strikes, when the rain falls etc.
One has no right to increase or reduce their number. Also, we have no right to attribute a specific number, time, manner or place etc to any o these restricted type of dhikr except with evidence.

Benefit: there's no authentic narration that says that any dhikr of this category is more than 100 times . So if anyone says say the dhikr 200times, it's out rightly an innovation.

# The second category is the dhikr that Allah and His messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam didn't give any restrictions, one should not restrict it rather he should say as much as is easy for him such as saying astaghfiruLLaah, subhanaLLaah, AlhamduliLlah, Allahu Akbar etc The true believer and devoted one is the one who fills all hi free time with this type of dhikr.

The saying of sadaqaLLaahul Azeem falls under the first category because it is restricted to when finishes the recitation of the Quran or a session of recitation, and Allah and His messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam gave not ordered us to do that.

It's not the meaning of the statement that has problem, it's the application.

shawl:




Say, "Allah has told the truth. So follow the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth; and he was not of the polytheists."[/b]

What is however very clear is the affirmation that "Allah has told the truth" is not a phrase that is restricted to this event but has a universally applicable meaning at any point in time.

Restricting the phrase to this particular incident, or even worse, declaring as bid'a elsewhere this phrase is mentioned, irrespective of the circumstance, is placing doubt on the Word of Allah. And you all know what you are entering into.

So who is attacking Islam from the inside?

Empiree:
This Hadith Trashes Takri Calling Everyone Kafir


Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir:

One day the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud and then went up the pulpit and said, "I will pave the way for you as your predecessor and will be a witness on you. By Allah! I see my Fount (Kauthar) just now and I have been given the keys of all the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that you will worship others along with Allah after my death, but I am afraid that you will fight with one another for the worldly things." Volume 2, Book 23, Number 428: (Sahih Bukhari)


Perhaps, it is CLEAR why these folks are waging their bidat and Shirk campaign on Sufis. Sheikh Habib Al-ilory exposed them in Nigeria. Reason they criticize Sufis today is for MONEY. They want Saudi Riyals

shawl:
^^

[s]"We thank Allah that these type of people were not the foremost in Nigeria".

This movement is the worst thing to ever befall the north from where it crept to other parts of our dear country. Look at the life of an average northerner in places where they have some foot-hold today. Look at what they have brought on Borno state.

All the heights attained by Islam were under the strict guidance of 'sufi' grand masters. I was shocked (in awe) when I read the conquest of Constantinople - Aaq Shamsaddeen.[/s]

Sufisunni:
Give them [s]Petrol dollars and U r good to go!
This hadith encapsulates the utter lies being bandied by Salafist/Wahhabist.
I have said it before and will continue to say it. Wahhabism is a poison in Islam.
Alshabab, Alqaeda, Bokoharam,ISIS and philippines islamists who just killed a German today r all nothing but the fruits of what Salafism/Wahhabism has given Islam.
Any muslim who differs in opinion from their is kufr.[/s]

Demmzy15:
You and your master Emp.iree haven't refuted the points presented by the brothers above. You've not produced a single evidence for this innovation, whenever points are submitted, you all come about joking around and mocking.

Hope you can read your cancelled, Abu Sayyaf beheaded a German, how does that correlate with telling you that you should stop innovation in which you have no evidence for?

Have you heard of Boko Haram, ISIS, etc warning against "sadaqa Allaahu azeem"? No, they all call for caliphate. Have you seen any brother here calling for caliphate? No, so how does the groups you mentioned above even relate to what we're talking about.

Whenever y'all gat nothing to say, you start beating yourselves up with rhetorics @cancelled, very pathetic!

Demmzy15:
You and your master Empiree haven't refuted the points presented by the brothers above. You've not produced a single evidence for this innovation, whenever points are submitted, you all come about joking around and mocking.

Hope you can read your cancelled, Abu Sayyaf beheaded a German, how does that correlate with telling you that you should stop innovation in which you have no evidence for?

Have you heard of Boko Haram, ISIS, etc warning against "sadaqa Allaahu azeem"? No, they all call for caliphate. Have you seen any brother here calling for caliphate? No, so how does the groups you mentioned above even relate to what we're talking about.

Whenever y'all gat nothing to say, you start beating yourselves up with rhetorics @cancelled, very pathetic!

Empiree:
WHat about it

RABIUSHILE04:


It clearly describes you wholesomely. You indeed dislike ilm nafi'a

Empiree:
For the fact that you mute on the thread, i'd rather ignore you

RABIUSHILE04:


who cares!!!!!!?

May Allaah preserve u upon Khayr brother and guide u aright.

Sufisunni:
Ur problem seems to be much of cognition! coz the issue has bern exhaustively discussed with references. There r countless Innovations being propagated by ur paymasters but u never deemed it neccesary to scold them.
Pls could u tell me how quran competition is sunna? Such a naked bid 'a!

Empiree:
And this was not answered either. Quran competition started by Malaysian but today almost all muslim countries organize and participate in it. Where is evidence from Quran and Sunnah when Saudi does the same?. Until you answer this, no word. Also, saying "radiyAllahu anhu" after sahaba's name is mentioned is not a command in the Quran or Sunnah but all muslims say it. This is just a typical example like sadaqallah lazim.

Where is dalil for us to say it after mention of sahaba?.

And why is it only Saudi that consider saying the phrase "bida"?. Most scholars before emergence of Saudi do not even consider it bida. They consider it adhab. So why is bida brought into this?. It is lazy people that label everything they don't understand "bidah". Besides, I didnt finish bcus of ban. One of my posts is restored up there regarding sayyidina Ibn Abass (RA) saying the phrase "sadaqallahul azeem". Go back up and read. In Imam Hambali (RA), it is mentioned in his school as well regarding saying the phrase even in salat. But i chose not to post it bcus of the ban.

So how is opinion of few scholars from Saudi even count?. It is their opinion. Hence, you cant call people "Alhlu bida" for saying the phrase. It is unnecessary.

Demmzy15:


A brother explained it to you, different kinds of innovations and Dhikr. Why didn't you read it? From all observations, you didn't read what was presented to you sincerely.



If there's no evidence for it, you drop it even if your forefathers and my forefathers did it. You need to think beyond the box or outta the box!

As Sheikh Uthman Dan Fodio rightly said:

Some people are ignorant of the Sunnah, but they are anxious to emulate the practices of their Shaykh. If you speak to them about the Sunnah they will reply, “My Shaykh was doing this, my Shaykh was doing that,” thus contradicting the clear and open Sunnah.
Hidaayatut-Tullaab (Zaria: Gaskiya Corporation, 1961) pg. 99



Look its not about saudi arabia, it's about whether there's evidence for it. I've noticed that whenever you have nothing to say anymore, you begin to attack saudi arabia and its scholars. That's lame, Sheikh Al Uthaymeen is no ordinary scholar, we're not blind followers, if you have evidence of the Prophet or the salafs saying it, then we'll follow.

There are many cases salafis have abandoned opinions of Saudi Scholars and followed Non-saudi like Sheikh Al Albani, so don't paint it as if we're dummies!

AbuuBilaal:


They are completely different, it's only a person who is completely ignorant of Usool fiqh that will be confused by such.

The competition falls under what is called Masaalihul mursalah -if you've ever heard that- just like the compilation of the Quran, Hadith, the building of madrasah, the breaking of knowledge into several fields, the building of Madrasah etc.

The saying of sodaqallahul Azeez is a dhikr attributed to a specific event. Attributing a dhikr to a specific time, place or event is an act of legislation that only Allah has the right to.

So, this is one thing and that is another, don't get them mixed up. See Imam Shaatibiy's book al-Muwaafaqaat for details and further clarification.

Demmzy15:
No one pays another for speaking for Sunnah. As for your question concerning Quranic competition, a brother as answered above. Y'all just shouting "Quranic competition" as if you've soundly defeated the proofs the brothers gave, no, you've been refuted!

Demmzy15:
You're always typing rubbish, so because they're warning you against an innovation which you are yet to produce an evidence for, you term them Boko-are-rams.

When you are replied in the same way, you shout we're intolerant and violent! I'm really saddened at how you reason!

Empiree:
Ameen. So what's the point of opening thread you cant defend and castigating ALL people EXCEPT you and yours even though someone advised you to edit the topic?. I repeat, for the fact that you could not tackle challenges in your thread and all you could say is "who cares" proves you are not what you claim to be. That's sad.

Now let me throw the word of Shaykh Adam Abdullah al-ilory (ra) who said "you people (that go to Saudi to study) who claim to know keu, e lo she pele pele. Knowledge is here (referring to himself) and this is not pride...it is not what i do"