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Re: Saying sadaqa Allâhul-azeem After Reciting the Qur’ân Is Bid'ah – Ibn Uthaymeen by shawl: 11:28am On Mar 01, 2017
Demmzy15:

Lemme me remind you of a brother's post above which you ignored and still ask questions repeatedly about.
AbuuBilaal:

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The saying of sodaqallahul Azeez is a dhikr attributed to a specific event. Attributing a dhikr to a specific time, place or event is an act of legislation that only Allah has the right to...

The brother made the statement without any proof. You followed him headlong. How convenient to call others blind followers when it is your trademark.

I actually commended @Empiree for sporting it and he had refutted that statement with specific examples: saying "radiyAllahu anh" etc.

Here is another example.

Sayyidina Rifaa Ibn Rafi Az zukuri, radiyAllahu anh, when the prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, was leading the maghrib prayer, and he, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, was saying, sami Allahu liman hamida, the sahaba, radiyAllahu anh, was saying, rabbanaa lakal hamd, hamdan katheeran tayyiban mubaarakan.

After the namaz, the prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, asked who said that, that is, the extra words 'hamdan katheeran tayyiban mubaarakan', and the
sahaba, radiyAllahu anh, said I said it, then the prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, said that the angels were competing to write down reward for him,
for the way he had prayed to Allah.

Why didn't the prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, reprimand him for making extra 'zikr' because he has violated, according to you and your people, an act of legislation that only Allah has the right to.

Muwatta Imam Malik, Bukhari, Nasaai, Imam Ahmad

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Re: Saying sadaqa Allâhul-azeem After Reciting the Qur’ân Is Bid'ah – Ibn Uthaymeen by shawl: 12:33pm On Mar 01, 2017
@Demmzy15

When I reply here on NL, it is usually not to take on people of your leaning because I know that most of the people under this influence find it very difficult to reason beyond their restricted scope but I do so in order to sensitize other muslims about a looming danger.

One such mistake people of your leaning make in deducing sunna and bid'a is explained in the earlier hadith quoted.

Abu Darda (RA) narrates that the Prophet (salallaho alaihi wasalam) said: Whatever Allaah has permitted in His Book is halaal, whatever He has forbidden is haraam, and anything over which there is silence is pardoned, so accept the pardon of Allaah, for Allaah cannot be forgetful. Then he recited this verse: ‘and your Lord is never forgetful’.

The disposition with respect to the matter under discussion now should have been:

It cannot be declared bid'a since the prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, and any of his sahaba, radiyAllahu anhum, did not declare it to be bid'a. Moreover, since the phrase is used in the Quran in a generic sense, according to the tafsir earlier sighted, then it is a permitted act for the one who affirms it, at any point whatever. Then you will see that everything aligns perfectly with the Quran, hadith, proper reasoning etc. Come to think of it, it is a phrase that affirms the absolute truth in the Word of Allah. How can anyone attempt to restrict its use? That's bizarre!

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Re: Saying sadaqa Allâhul-azeem After Reciting the Qur’ân Is Bid'ah – Ibn Uthaymeen by dragnet: 12:38pm On Mar 01, 2017
Empiree:


^^

grin grin I know this is what you referred to. A lot fall under Masaalihul mursalah he was talking about. Even Mawlud falls in there according to some scholars. The method itself was employed by Sufis not Saudis which is why Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah said they (sufiya) exercised ijtihad.

Now the same people who invented "Quran competetion" are the same people who say sadaqallahul azim the most. So this still doesn't make sense. And i repeat that the reason you and them favor certain practices that suit you is ONLY if you notice Saud does it. That's follow follow like Sheikh Danfodio you quoted rightly said. Unless and until you are ready to declare Saudi Shuyukh INNOVATORS for saying "rodiyaAllah anhu" which is not a command by the Sunnah, then, no one has the right to label people innovators. That's my point all along.

You cant pick who is innovators just bcus Saudi shuyukh claim something is not sunnah. They call other muslims innovators for going to grave and raise their hands next to it but they do the same. That's just another example. Same we talking about Quran competition and walimot Quran, fundamentalist and dragnet said it is bida but you and these brothers found excuse for it under "Masaalihul mursalah" even though it is not categorically stated there. DOnt think for a second i dont understand what it is. You cant pick and choose what is and what is not sunnah where it suits you.

ONly Saud area claimed sadaqallahul azim is bida. No other shuyukh have said it. Their evidence for it being bida is not evidence at all. There evidence is Prophet(saw) did not do it, Sahaba did not do it. Tabin and tabin did not it. But same can be said of Quran competetion, walimot Quran, saying rodiyaAllah anhu and all that. So please stop calling people ahlul bida just so you can "purify" your creed. This is very wrong.

Sadaqallahul azim falls under adhab not bida. So why telling people not to say it?. Why calling people bida for saying it?. Aren't you following your sheikh blindly bcus he said so?. Again, search outside of Saudi, none of them consider it bidah. IT IS ADHAB (etiquette).


And Sheikh Uthman Dan Fodio(ra) you cited was Sunni-sufi of Ashari creed and also Qadri tariqa. He could not have succeeded and many like him without tassawuf/sufism that you all condemned today. So you have brought nothing but LOPSIDED "evidence".
why do you keep mentioning me unnecessarily? and can you please quote what I may have said verbatim or post a link to the exact post.
Re: Saying sadaqa Allâhul-azeem After Reciting the Qur’ân Is Bid'ah – Ibn Uthaymeen by Empiree: 1:01pm On Mar 01, 2017
shawl:
@Demm.zy15

They dont understand brother
Re: Saying sadaqa Allâhul-azeem After Reciting the Qur’ân Is Bid'ah – Ibn Uthaymeen by Fundamentalist: 8:37pm On Mar 01, 2017
Empiree:


^^

grin grin I know this is what you referred to. A lot fall under Masaalihul mursalah he was talking about. Even Mawlud falls in there according to some scholars. The method itself was employed by Sufis not Saudis which is why Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah said they (sufiya) exercised ijtihad.

Now the same people who invented "Quran competetion" are the same people who say sadaqallahul azim the most. So this still doesn't make sense. And i repeat that the reason you and them favor certain practices that suit you is ONLY if you notice Saud does it. That's follow follow like Sheikh Danfodio you quoted rightly said. Unless and until you are ready to declare Saudi Shuyukh INNOVATORS for saying "rodiyaAllah anhu" which is not a command by the Sunnah, then, no one has the right to label people innovators. That's my point all along.

You cant pick who is innovators just bcus Saudi shuyukh claim something is not sunnah. They call other muslims innovators for going to grave and raise their hands next to it but they do the same. That's just another example. Same we talking about Quran competition and walimot Quran, fundamentalist and dragnet said it is bida but you and these brothers found excuse for it under "Masaalihul mursalah" even though it is not categorically stated there. DOnt think for a second i dont understand what it is. You cant pick and choose what is and what is not sunnah where it suits you.

ONly Saud area claimed sadaqallahul azim is bida. No other shuyukh have said it. Their evidence for it being bida is not evidence at all. There evidence is Prophet(saw) did not do it, Sahaba did not do it. Tabin and tabin did not it. But same can be said of Quran competetion, walimot Quran, saying rodiyaAllah anhu and all that. So please stop calling people ahlul bida just so you can "purify" your creed. This is very wrong.

Sadaqallahul azim falls under adhab not bida. So why telling people not to say it?. Why calling people bida for saying it?. Aren't you following your sheikh blindly bcus he said so?. Again, search outside of Saudi, none of them consider it bidah. IT IS ADHAB (etiquette).


And Sheikh Uthman Dan Fodio(ra) you cited was Sunni-sufi of Ashari creed and also Qadri tariqa. He could not have succeeded and many like him without tassawuf/sufism that you all condemned today. So you have brought nothing but LOPSIDED "evidence".

Watching you in 3D.
Re: Saying sadaqa Allâhul-azeem After Reciting the Qur’ân Is Bid'ah – Ibn Uthaymeen by Empiree: 11:47pm On Mar 01, 2017
@shawl, this is what one of their brothers said regarding "radiaAllahu anhu". Now don't sufis have this type of ideas and why is theirs exception and sufi's bidah?.



DeathStroke007:

Concerning the mentions "radiAllah anium" after sahba name is alright intellectually and am sure it might get started by the arabs ..its just a sign o respect for the sahbahs.. And its not bidiah nor right or wrong because its not par of islam.. If you say "radiaAllah anium" no reward nor sin for you, if you don't, no reward or sin for you


See double standard?. He said it's "intellectually alright". But when their 'oppositions' intellectually said or practice something it is bidah. FANTASTIC!

How is this intellectually okay but saying sadaqaAllahul azeem in bidah and 'intellectually' retarded?. Auzubillah.


Sufis however do not go against these mustahab practices like quran competetion, walimot quran etc bcuz they understood these things are meant for improving our lives
Re: Saying sadaqa Allâhul-azeem After Reciting the Qur’ân Is Bid'ah – Ibn Uthaymeen by Raintaker(m): 8:35pm On Mar 02, 2017
Empiree:
@shawl, this is what one of their brothers said regarding "radiaAllahu anhu". Now don't sufisee have this type of ideas and why is theirs exception and sufi'so bidah?.
It is double standard indeed.
That was how an ahlu sunna mentioned in one khutbat Jum'a that answering our praisinng our ancestral lineage(oriki) is bid'ah and not part of Islam.
He said once you are muslim, you are no longer omo ikoyi esho or whatever. He really trashed the yoruba cultural values and upheld the Arabians.





See double standard?. He said it's "intellectually alright". But when their 'oppositions' intellectually said or practice something it is bidah. FANTASTIC!

How is this intellectually okay but saying sadaqaAllahul azeem in bidah and 'intellectually' retarded?. Auzubillah.


Sufis however do not go against these mustahab practices like quran competetion, walimot quran etc bcuz they understood these things are meant for improving our lives

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Re: Saying sadaqa Allâhul-azeem After Reciting the Qur’ân Is Bid'ah – Ibn Uthaymeen by Sufisunni: 9:29pm On Mar 06, 2017
AbuuBilaal:


They are completely different, it's only a person who is completely ignorant of Usool fiqh that will be confused by such.

The competition falls under what is called Masaalihul mursalah -if you've ever heard that- just like the compilation of the Quran
For the Quran compilation, Abubakar(RA) even objected it, for the fact that it was not done by the Prophet(SAW), but later agreed to a superior argument.
Hadith, the building of madrasah, the breaking of knowledge into several fields, the building of Madrasah etc.
All these are Bid'a whether Masaalihul mursalah or not since they were never practised by the Prophet(SAW). For the Quranic competition, it is even a shame for someone like U who claims to be an upholder of Sunna to holding brief for a such a Bid'a that many hadiths explicitly and implicitly forbid Prophet (SAW) says there is no competition in Islam ”There is no competition except in three: archery, camel racing and horse racing.” [Reported by Abu Dawud 2574, At-Tirmtithi no.1700. and An-Nasai’ no.3616.]"

The saying of sodaqallahul Azeez is a dhikr attributed to a specific event. Attributing a dhikr to a specific time, place or event is an act of legislation that only Allah has the right to.

So, this is one thing and that is another, don't get them mixed up. See Imam Shaatibiy's book al-Muwaafaqaat for details and further clarification.
Guy, Bid'a is Bid'a, dont resort to opinion of any scholar and if they are not, tell me what all these are?

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