JackBizzle:

If christianity is good, then why is most of Europe discarding it? Why are Americans growing more and more irreligious every year?

Christianity is expected have 3 billion adherents by 2050 . And it is growing massively in Asian countries like China . China is expected to hit 230 million Christians by 2030 or so .

Islam is also growing massively and could equal Christianity in the same speculated time , going by your logic Islam is good since its growing twice as fast as Christianity .

**Christianity is good because its doctrines advocate for peace and love . Extremists are everywhere in Religions . And heretical practices are now a norm in Christianity . This does not mean that Christianity is bad . Its the extremism and heretical practices that are bad . If you want to know if a religion is good or bad , scrutinize its dogma before reaching a conclusion . Does Christ approve of what so called Christians are doing now ?

JackBizzle:
Christianity and Islam are two big problems in Africa. Some churches and some mosques are nothing but glorified death cults. Just look at how pastors run amok- forcing members to eat grass and get sprayed with insecticides.

Atheism was a huge problem in Europe and it was battled in France during the 19th century . And Western nations promoted Islam because it was radical in nature and it was thought that it'd impede the growth of atheists caused by the wicked and bigoted communist governments . Luckily , most of the communist governments failed before the end of the 20th century and the number of atheists reduced drastically .

Because a small group of misguided people were brainwashed to do something , therefore Christianity is a problem ? No wonder Joshthefirst didn't have time for you , you talk too much nonsense .

JackBizzle:
Regarding the good things christianity has done in the past in Nigeria, it has done more bad than good.

Christians brought education but was it originally with good intentions? European christians were in Nigeria as early as the 16th century but only brought their education in the 18th century.

The Portuguese arrived in the 16th century and left immediately because they could not survive . Stop peddling false information .

JackBizzle:
The killing of twins was stopped by a christian, Mary Slessor. .

That's a good thing . Now tell me something good historically an atheist has ever done for Nigeria .

KingEbukasBlog:


Christianity is expected have 3 billion adherents by 2050 . And it is growing massively in Asian countries like China . China is expected to hit 230 million Christians by 2030 or so .

Islam is also growing massively and could equal Christianity in the same speculated time , going by your logic Islam is good since its growing twice as fast as Christianity .

Christianity is not growing in the most progressive nations in the world, why? Why is christianity not growing in Denmark, UK, Finland, Switzerland, USA etc?

Why is christianity only growing in corrupt and backwards country?

I'm not sure about China. I would have to see data confirming your estimated growth of Christianity. The reason being that Chinese population is over 1 billion and growing. Every minority religion there looks big because the total population is large.

KingEbukasBlog:

**Christianity is good because its doctrines advocate for peace and love . Extremists are everywhere in Religions . And heretical practices are now a norm in Christianity . This does not mean that Christianity is bad . Its the extremism and heretical practices that are bad . If you want to know if a religion is good or bad , scrutinize its dogma before reaching a conclusion . Does Christ approve of what so called Christians are doing now ?

Does the old testament God sound loving to you? A God of war that sacrificed his son in the new testament? Does the acceptance of slavery sound like love? Didnt paul return a slave to his master (Onesimus)?

Jesus christ was a racist himself. Did he not say that he came for the lost sheep of isreal? I'm sorry but I cannot worship a Jew. to do that would make me deny my own African heritage! Foriegn religions.

KingEbukasBlog:

Atheism was a huge problem in Europe and it was battled in France during the 19th century . And Western nations promoted Islam because it was radical in nature and it was thought that it'd impede the growth of atheists caused by the wicked and bigoted communist governments . Luckily , most of the communist governments failed before the end of the 20th century and the number of atheists reduced drastically .

LIES. I aint gat time for lies! LIIIIEEESSSS.

KingEbukasBlog:

Because a small group of misguided people were brainwashed to do something , therefore Christianity is a problem ? No wonder Joshthefirst didn't have time for you , you talk too much nonsense .

A small group of people? How many scandalous pastors do we see on a regular basis?

Are Nigerian christians on a whole not homophobic? A liberal christian is the exception and not the normal.

A lot of people are actually brainwashed. See how many people defend private jet pastors. Touch not my anointed.

Why are there no private jet pastors in the UK where finance is heavily regulated?

A majority of Nigerian christians are deluded.

KingEbukasBlog:

The Portuguese arrived in the 16th century and left immediately because they could not survive . Stop peddling false information .

The british were in Nigeria in 1700s. That is the 16th century. Dont be ignorant.

KingEbukasBlog:

That's a good thing . Now tell me something good historically an atheist has ever done for Nigeria .

Fela brought weed

Tai Solarin?

JackBizzle:


Christianity is not growing in the most progressive nations in the world, why? Why is christianity not growing in Denmark, UK, Finland, Switzerland, USA etc?

Who said Christianity is not growing in progressive nations ? Which nations do you think CNBC referred to as Christian-dominated nations who are among the world's richest nations ?

Why is christianity only growing in corrupt and backwards country?

Christianity has been so old in those countries that Christian practices are being seen as a culture . Why do you think the great Western nations were against communist governments ? They saw atheism as a problem not Christianity .

Right now there is an outcry in the UK and US against the slaughter of Christians in Egypt . See the massive turn out wherever the pope visits .

I'm not sure about China. I would have to see data confirming your estimated growth of Christianity. The reason being that Chinese population is over 1 billion and growing. Every minority religion there looks big because the total population is large.

You can simply google it .

Does the old testament God sound loving to you? A God of war that sacrificed his son in the new testament? Does the acceptance of slavery sound like love? Didnt paul return a slave to his master (Onesimus)?

The Old Testament is a God of justice who despised evil . The nations Israel destroyed nations who promoted despicable practices like child sacrifice and different sexually pervasive acts .

Atheists killed 250 million because of their unbelief in God . Atheism promotes sick ideologies like nihilism , communism , Marxism that promote killings , intolerance , bigotry , hatred . Can't see you see how atheism is evil ?

Jesus christ was a racist himself. Did he not say that he came for the lost sheep of isreal? I'm sorry but I cannot worship a Jew. to do that would make me deny my own African heritage! Foriegn religions.

How does your silly opinion bother close to 2.5 billion Christians ?

LIES. I aint gat time for lies! LIIIIEEESSSS.

Ignorance .

A small group of people? How many scandalous pastors do we see on a regular basis?

Can you provide data let's scrutinize them to ascertain the number of scandalous pastors and then compare the number to the entire population of Nigeria .

Are Nigerian christians on a whole not homophobic? A liberal christian is the exception and not the normal.

Can you provide evidence for these ? Atheists can be homophobic too .

A lot of people are actually brainwashed. See how many people defend private jet pastors. Touch not my anointed.

Atheists also defend the wicked acts of the communist governments . They still promote sick atheistic ideologies like nihilism , communism etc.

Why are there no private jet pastors in the UK where finance is heavily regulated?

Wow

A majority of Nigerian christians are deluded.

All atheists in the world are deluded .

The british were in Nigeria in 1700s. That is the 16th century. Dont be ignorant.

The Portuguese arrived first , yes or no ?

Fela brought weed

Tai Solarin?

Yawns.

And this is to be compared to education , health care , technology , enlightenment , manumitting from mental slavery etc brought by Christianity ?

The usual nauseating parochialism and vacuity displayed by the atheist though

JackBizzle:



First of all, we have to be clear that christianity was brought to Nigeria by white men with slavery and colonization. Slavery is not a sin in the bible despite how rampant it was during biblical times.

Christianity is a foriegn religion no matter how you look at it. It creates inferiority complex. This is why some Nigerians are even remixing history to claim that they are descendants of Jews.

If christianity is good, then why is most of Europe discarding it? Why are Americans growing more and more irreligious every year?


Christianity and Islam are two big problems in Africa. Some churches and some mosques are nothing but glorified death cults. Just look at how pastors run amok- forcing members to eat grass and get sprayed with insecticides.



Regarding the good things christianity has done in the past in Nigeria, it has done more bad than good.

Christians brought education but was it originally with good intentions? European christians were in Nigeria as early as the 16th century but only brought their education in the 18th century.

The killing of twins was stopped by a christian, Mary Slessor. However, it is overhyped as many other tribes in Nigeria didnt kill twins.

cc sapiosexuality

Nope!Nope!!Nope!!!. I don't know the part of history you got your fact from because I know, there was nothing like introduction of Christianity to colour Africans at the beginning of slave trade during the 14th century upward because, it was Arabs Jihadists that were capturing colour people of different complexion. It is important to emphasize here that there were Coptic Christians in Egypt and the Ethiopia before the final fall of Egypt to Islam. And It was later after many centuries that slavery of colour Africans, begun. In fact, Egyptians were of different groups and at one time was ruled by colour Africans. During the 14th century upward was anew chapter and slaves were captured during wars among clans or different tribes and of course different religious beliefs. So, don't blame Christianity. The white truly came but the returnee slaves were the ones that understood the language of their people and that was how Christianity became part of the lost but found faith. Christianity had been part and parcel of Africa for ages. Slavery by the whites were partly made possible by the exchange of goods for slaves by Africans themselves. Be it Moorish, Cushites, Arabs and colour people. If you claim, twins killing were not in existence in some part the other kingdoms, because it can be said to be their tradition and did helped them save lives that would have been lost to ignorance. Then on the issue of the people claiming attachment to another group of people, can be said to as a result of conviction. I have seen some people with these shared view of yours that kept condemning tribes connection to another and yet I have not seen any justified fact to be knocked off on sensitive issues as a RACE. No part of Nigeria was habited by human beings more than than 10 BC. The only human skull discovered at Iwo Eleru is 9,000 years. So,where do you get your facts from? The bitter truth is that there are ARAB, HEBREW , MOORISH , MIddle Eastern other tribes(Elamite, EDOM, HAM etc descendants scattered over Nigeria. The Jewish group came to the East part of Nigeria ,to do some test and research. And you call it falsification? People like you are the ones that I referred to as repackaging past written history. The truth is that even DNA has a way to connect to the past, like wise other archaeological records. My advise to you is to stop the hatred toward white as well as anyone that claimed to have link with Jews. After all , today, Late Bob Marley's children are all dark skin but Bob Marley's father was A WHITE MAN. The name “Marley" wasn't Bob's but his patrilineal. Africans remained the architect of their own woes. The same whites remain the largest investors on African continent. While some bush people will be asking for grazing right when in fact there are well organised methodologies for animal rearing. Blame Yourself, the unwilling intellectuals to take the bull by the horn,to restructure the system, the sheepish populace, your leaders, and not the whites.

Olu317:
Nope!Nope!!Nope!!!. I don't know the part of history you got your fact from because I know, there was nothing like introduction of Christianity to colour Africans at the beginning of slave trade during the 14th century upward because, it was Arabs Jihadists that were capturing colour people of different complexion. It is important to emphasize here that there were Coptic Christians in Egypt and the Ethiopia before the final fall of Egypt to Islam. And It was later after many centuries that slavery of colour Africans, begun. In fact, Egyptians were of different groups and at one time was ruled by colour Africans. During the 14th century upward was anew chapter and slaves were captured during wars among clans or different tribes and of course different religious beliefs. So, don't blame Christianity. The white truly came but the returnee slaves were the ones that understood the language of their people and that was how Christianity became part of the lost but found faith. Christianity had been part and parcel of Africa for ages. Slavery by the whites were partly made possible by the exchange of goods for slaves by Africans themselves. Be it Moorish, Cushites, Arabs and colour people. If you claim, twins killing were not in existence in some part the other kingdoms, because it can be said to be their tradition and did helped them save lives that would have been lost to ignorance. Then on the issue of the people claiming attachment to another group of people, can be said to as a result of conviction. I have seen some people with these shared view of yours that kept condemning tribes connection to another and yet I have not seen any justified fact to be knocked off on sensitive issues as a RACE. No part of Nigeria was habited by human beings more than than 10 BC. The only human skull discovered at Iwo Eleru is 9,000 years. So do you get your facts from? The bitter truth is that there are ARAB, HEBREW , MOORISH , MIddle Eastern other tribes(Elamite, EDOM, HAM etc descendants scattered over Nigeria. The Jewish group came to the East part of Nigeria ,to do some test and research. And you call it falsification? People like you are the ones that I referred to as repackaging past written history. The truth is that even DNA has a way to connect to the past, like wise other archaeological records. My advise to you is to stop the hatred toward white as well as anyone that claimed to have link with Jews. After all , today, Late Bob Marley's children are all dark skin but Bob Marley's father was A WHITE MAN. The name “Marley" wasn't Bob's but his patrilineal. Africans remained the architect of their own woes. The same whites remain the largest investors on African continent. While some bush people will be asking for grazing right when in fact there are well organised methodologies for animal rearing. Blame Yourself, the unwilling intellectuals to take the bull by the horn,to restructure the system, the sheepish populace, your leaders, and not the whites.

Kai!

We Africans have been brainwashed

JackBizzle:



Kai!

We Africans have been brainwashed

My dear, the whites are moving on likewise other groups. It is people like you that kept dragging some of us backward.Go and study on the connectivity between human beings.
Show me where you have an Art of bronze cast in Sub Saharan Africa such as these. Stop dragging research backward.

The first one is a Yoruba work done between 11th—13th century

The second is self explanatory.



Study! Study and study.............till infinity

Olu317:
Quite interesting reading through your post. But I beg to disagree with you on this subject matter. As far as I am concerned and those who belong to my school of thought , Christianity didn't hinder Africans or the so called Nigerians from self development. In fact, Christianity help shaped African school of thought as regard so many felt problems in the past. Do you want to blame Christianity for excess procreation of children by Africans,whom they aren't financially buoyant to cater for? Do you want to blame Christianity for the cause of uneducated Africans? Do you not know Christianity single handedly stop twins killing in part of Nigeria? What about the stoppage of human eaters in part of Eastern Nigeria? Do you want to blame Christianity for the shameless slave descendants of colour Americans that millions of of them stay out of schools or drop out of school? Are the Christians the ones that made Africans not to invest their ill got wealth in Africa ? Do you want to blame Christianity for some foolish beinge that would make money and ran away from their people, all in the name of “witchcraft " assumption and won't invest in their community but else where ? There exists too many advantages to the advent of Christianity in which it has added value. The reality is that most people that are well placed disconnect with people once become wealthy in African setting. It is basically the mentality of individuals that causes lukewarmness and it has nothing to do with Christianity. SELF DISCOVERY is the key to SELF DEVELOPMENT and this is the driving force to DEVELOPMENT TO the LARGER SOCIETY. This is absolutely lacking in today's Africa, precisely Nigeria,where people don't think out side the BOX. In the section, I function, Many that I had come across , have their views attached to the opinions of the past researchers and these set of people have over 95% of the same past history repackaged without exploring other avenue to seek more fact finding. The way out of our self inflicted backwardness is that the first parameter to nation building must be enshrined in development of individual mind because a well developed being will always want to be proactive and productive,even if few elements are tilting in wrong direction, the majority within the rank and file of uprightness will always have their way. So,dont blame Christianity for a problem that had existed in your tradition before the Christianity. Point of correction Christianity didn't come to the world through white people but Bronze looking people ( Hebrews /Jews /Israel). In fact, Africans who came back were the major workers on the field that helped stop the unnecessary attachment to things that can naturally have no connection to Fetish things. Take for instance, measles,cholera etc. In the olden days, the herbalists made people believed it was the gods that causes such sickness, when in reality, heat and dirty environment are major causes of the aforementioned. Self development is the key to nation building. And the only way for such is to encourage pupils /students to be more studious.

You made some very good points but I'm sorry you misconstrued my comment. The angle I was trying to come out from is that, religion has ruined this nation in the sense that we always want to consider everything from religion angle which is not supposed to be so.

Instead of bringing criminals to justice and administer the right judgement to them , we are praying that God should fight them for us. Do you even know how many people have lost their lives due to our bad roads or lack of safety precautions, yet we say that that's the way God said they would end their own lives

If religion is all a country needs to succeed, we are supposed to be the best country in the world but here we are, crawling.

Can't you see that countries that even practice atheism, Hinduism and Buddhism are much more better than Africa in all ramifications

So, when I say that religion has ruined Africa, I know what I'm saying

tosyne2much:
You made some very good points but I'm sorry you misconstrued my comment. The angle I was trying to come out from is that, religion has ruined this nation in the sense that we always want to consider everything from religion angle which is not supposed to be so.

Instead of bringing criminals to justice and administer the right judgement to them , we are praying that God should fight them for us. Do you even know how many people have lost their lives due to our bad roads or lack of safety precautions, yet we say that that's the way God said they would end their own lives

If religion is all a country needs to succeed, we are supposed to be the best country in the world but here we are, crawling.

Can't you see that countries that even practice atheism, Hinduism and Buddhism are much more better than Africa in all ramifications

So, when I say that religion has ruined Africa, I know what I'm saying

Indeed I got you wrong. However, the reality is that the real people that can make the difference have been made to flee the country or have been silenced indirectly through threat to their lives . And until the rightful thinking heroes are willing to die for a course that will either liberate the Nigeria state or set it on fire. The latter isnt my prayer though but people will gradually become restless at one time or the other when the center will not be able to hold again. As far as democracy is concerned, Nigeria Democratic set up is the most expensive in the whole world. And people aren't enjoying stable water, electricity, functioning road etc. It is that pathetic. The bitter truth is that wicked act of these people have nothing to do with religion but basically self centeredness . Until it becomes our project, it will only be my project. In which, every group want his or her person to occupy the highest office so as to favour his or her own tribe.

Olu317:
Indeed I got you wrong. However, the reality is that the real people that can make the difference have been made to flee the country or have been silenced indirectly through threat to their lives . And until the rightful thinking heroes are willing to die for a course that will either liberate the Nigeria state or set it on fire. The latter isnt my prayer though but people will gradually become restless at one time or the other when the center will not be able to hold again. As far as democracy is concerned, Nigeria Democratic set up is the most expensive in the whole world. And people aren't enjoying stable water, electricity, functioning road etc. It is that pathetic. The bitter truth is that wicked act of these people have nothing to do with religion but basically self centeredness . Until it becomes our project, it will only be my project. In which, every group want his or her person to occupy the highest office so as to favour his or her own tribe.

That's it jawe my brother. We are too religion conscious yet there's nothing to show for it. The same leaders that deceive the masses by attending church crusade are still the same people making life unbearable for us. Look at the way GEJ and the likes scammed many of us by attending RCCG Holy Ghost service just to show to us that they have the fear of God, after which they looted the nation's money and led us to recession. Till now, we are still praying that God should fight for us.

Now ask yourself, if the same thing happens in United States, will they wait for God to fight for them or they will take the right measures in bringing a corrupt leader to justice?

Until we come out of that shell of bondage we are, nothing good can ever manifest in Africa

tosyne2much:
That's it jawe my brother. We are too religion conscious yet there's nothing to show for it. The same leaders that deceive the masses by attending church crusade are still the same people making life unbearable for us. Look at the way GEJ and the likes scammed many of us by attending RCCG Holy Ghost service just to show to us that they have the fear of God, after which they looted the nation's money and led up to recession. Tell now, we are still praying that God should fight for us.

Now ask yourself, if the same thing happens in United States, will they wait for God to fight for them or they will take the right measures in bringing a corrupt leader to justice?

Until we come out of that shell of bondage we are, nothing good can ever manifest in Africa

It is the truth about many of them claiming to love God and they hate their fellow men. Isn't it foolishness? When the Bible they read teaches them to care for the needy, instead they do opposite. They are many in numbers. They hide under religion but not religious in nature. The greatest mistake people make in Christianity is that, they think God will do all the act without human beings doing his or hers. The Bible says WORK and PRAY and not PRAY AND PRAY . Until people understand the meaning of these, they will remain in perpetual darkness. The solution is freedom and it doesn't come easy but on willingness to loose everything to gain all things. This is because these nothing for good evil men are the ones JESUS ascribed as WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. They speak with two sides of their mouth. And do things to favour themselves , their loyalists, immediate companion and love ones . Wicked people with no regard for life.

Atheist, need to know the type of theist they argue with on NL Na........or is it so hard to ignore them?

Olu317:
It is the truth about many of them claiming to love God and they hate their fellow men. Isn't it foolishness? When the Bible they read teaches them to care for the needy, instead they do opposite. They are many in numbers. They hide under religion but not religious in nature. The greatest mistake people make in Christianity is that, they think God will do all the act without human beings doing his or hers. The Bible says WORK and PRAY and not PRAY AND PRAY . Until people understand the meaning of these, they will remain in perpetual darkness. The solution is freedom and it doesn't come easy but on willingness to loose everything to gain all things. This is because these nothing for good evil men are the ones JESUS ascribed as WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. They speak with two sides of their mouth. And do things to favour themselves , their loyalists, immediate companion and love ones . Wicked people with no regard for life.

Yod realize that @bolded doesn't make sense ryt? or maybe it doesn't just apply to the real world. There are millions of people that don't pray and are still successful how do you explain that

Deicide:

Yod realize that @bolded doesn't make sense ryt? or maybe it doesn't just apply to the real world. There are millions of people that don't pray and are still successful how do you explain that

Yes, there are millions of people that don't pray yet are successful today. But do you know the foundation of atheism? I guess, you need to do research on it before you identify yourself with such ideology. The people that are well and doing in today's world need have their background checked. This is because their ancestors had dedicated their lives to the same God, some members of generation after them have rejected as non existence God. As far as I am concerned, it is self deceit because, one who is lost is the one that seek direction from the inner mind. And if one's inner mind is rightly in tune , with one's spiritual being, such find his or her path in life. It is important to emphasize here again that being rich still doesn't mean fulfilment. Yet, success bring a leverage to self's purchasing power. In the world,where people condemns the existence of God, I have not seen anyone be it atheist or scientist to show me how Breathe can be recreated or how the hair in one's head are accurately counted. I can go on and on. However, to really hit the nail on the head on the the highlighted you drew my attention toward. I can inform you that, the individual that work hard and became successful is borne out his or her desire to be successful and he or she can achieve such because success is self desirous. The same reason or theory that a man who lives in a room and procreate and accept his circumstance is also applicable to another man with same circumstances and chose to challenge himself to be successful. In all these, faith comes in and in faith, self trust to achieve is the pivotal rule to succeed. Pray and work are for those who believe in the super natural beyond human comprehension. And in these people you find unequal perception and trust in their maker. So, work is a rule to life's success, while pray is the guide to the path of those that believe in the suspension of natural things. If you are an African or precisely a Nigerian. Then, go grab yourself the story of MOBALAJI JOHNSON and how he barked to death during his encounter with Alaafin of Oyo in the 1950s. Perhaps, you will understand the existence and intricacies of unseen forces beyond your wildest dream

Olu317:
Yes, there are millions of people that don't pray yet are successful today. But do you know the foundation of atheism? I guess, you need to do research on it before you identify yourself with such ideology. The people that are well and doing in today's world need have their background checked.
This is because their ancestors had dedicated their lives to the same God , some members of generation after them have rejected as non existence God.

Which ancestors are you talking about exactly? i need to know b4 I can understand this point you made properly

[s]As far as I am concerned, it is self deceit because, one who is lost is the one that seek direction from the inner mind. And if one's inner mind is rightly in tune , with one's spiritual being, such find his or her path in life. It is important to emphasize here again that being rich still doesn't mean fulfilment.[/s]

Yet, success bring a leverage to self's purchasing power. In the world,where people condemns the existence of God, I have not seen anyone be it atheist or scientist to show me how Breathe can be recreated or how the hair in one's head are accurately counted. I can go on and on.

You no get sense wahlahi

However, to really hit the nail on the head on the the highlighted you drew my attention toward. I can inform you that, the individual that work hard and became successful is borne out his or her desire to be successful and he or she can achieve such because success is self desirous. The same reason or theory that a man who lives in a room and procreate and accept his circumstance is also applicable to another man with same circumstances and chose to challenge himself to be successful. In all these, faith comes in and in faith, self trust to achieve is the pivotal rule to succeed. Pray and work are for those who believe in the super natural beyond human comprehension. And in these people you find unequal perception and trust in their maker. So, work is a rule to life's success, while pray is the guide to the path of those that believe in the suspension of natural things. If you are an African or precisely a Nigerian. Then, go grab yourself the story of MOBALAJI JOHNSON and how he barked to death during his encounter with Alaafin of Oyo in the 1950s. Perhaps, you will understand the existence and intricacies of unseen forces beyond your wildest dream

So basically you are agreeing that Prayers is Useless?

Deicide:

Which ancestors are you talking about exactly? i need to know b4 I can understand this point you made properly



You no get sense wahlahi

So basically you are agreeing that Prayers is Useless?

I mentioned ancestors because the whites are your role model. Atheism does not have any place in Colour's ethnicity,irrespective of location. I only gave you a Lee way to investigate your so called “role models". I work and pray that is the reason you and your lost generation X are beneath me. Secondly, am I the one you referred as “You no get sense Wahlai " ? A foolish personified you are because, you still quoted God's word in Arabic(to swear). I am well grounded even in your school of thought. You can see you are A SLAVE TO MY KIND BECAUSE I AM A “god". Of course, yes, I have sense but you don't because your illiteracy is beyond redemption , which is the reason I will inform that you lacked the basic foundation of life's KNOWLEDGE , which is “CHOICE " that your types don't even identify with. What concerns me if you ROT IN HELL? IT IS BASICALLY YOUR GADAMN PROBLEM . Tu es un porc

JackBizzle:

1) Religion
As long as black people follow foreign religions that have been used to enslave them in the past, we will always be mental slaves. Like it or not islam ultimately benefits the Arabs and Christianity the whites. GO to Jerusalem and see how black pilgrims are treated. Go to Mecca and see the difference between African pilgrims and Arab ones.

We are one of the most homophobic, sexist and ignorant races as a result of religion.

2) Survivalist mentality.
Just because you are alive doesn't mean that you are living. Poverty makes you focus on surviving and not living. You care about your next food or salary instead of taking time to look At art or do some philosophy on nature. You focus on yourself rather than the bigger picture of the community. You become so materialistic rather than perceptive. When a black man hammers, it is to pop champagne in the club, while the typical white man eats out with family and friends.


3) ignorance of our history (as a result of colonization)
If you knew that most powerful Christian churches and Muslims in the early centuries were supporters of slavery of Africans, would you be a Christian?

If you knew that your prophet regarded blacks as inferior would you follow him?

If you knew that your tribe or culture is older than Jews, Arabs or Judaism, would you claim to be descendants of Jews and Arabs?

If you knew that your tribes had inventions like sculpting techniques with bronze, hunting weapons, pottery etc, would you say that only the white and asian men could invent?


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tosyne2much:
A very good Christian just that I always spill out the truth anytime any day. My sense of reasoning is not beclouded like that of others

He's right about some things, wrong about others. I agree that ignorance of history is truly a problem, the survivalist mentality is brought about by necessity, but it's a mindset that can be changed.

On the other hand, blaming backwardness on religion is kind of cheap. Western civilization flourished and dominated a large portion of the world while having Christianity as a cornerstone, did that ret@rd their development?. The removal of religion from the social narrative is one of the reasons the western world is currently sliding down the pit of decadence.

While it's true that religion does have it pitfalls, it is not wise for one to condemn it just because it doesn't fit their political ideology. Atheists seem to forget the fact that the arrival of Christianity fazed out a lot of harmful traditional practices (the killing of twins, human sacrifice, cannibalism etc), and provided a sense of unity to the disparate tribes of Nigeria.

Religion has been a pillar of societies from the beginning of time till now, anyone who denies the role that religions play in developing civilizations, needs to wake up. There would be no European civilization without Christianity, the Arab world would look very different without Islam, where would Africa be without it's numerous indigenous religions maintaining law and order throughout the centuries?.

As a fellow Christian who believes in speaking truth, I have to say that the misguided attack on religion is actually doing more harm than good to modern day societies.

uzoclinton:
I would like to post this on my blog... Listwand.com... and yes I'll reference you. should I go ahead?

Go ahead. Spread the knowledge

You see it everyday:
- Some religious person is very ill, and instead of sending that person to hospital ASAP, some silly conman in robe will tell them to PRAY about it to get better. Sick people stop taking their meds believing that praying could cure them of serious deadly illness.
- some religious person can barely survive, yet some fraudster in robe will demand 10% from that person's miserable life every damn week... In the guise that their lives will be better.
- some unfortunate babe will get pregnant and instead of having an abortion (like she desires) some religious person will say that it's against the bible, thus this woman will be forced against her will to have this child she does NOT desire, possibly don't love and CANT physically/emotionally or financially take care of.... then we wonder why there is a new trend About newborn babies being thrown in gutter and under bridges..
- religious people reading the bible and saying that men are the head of family bla bla, then we wonder why women are battered openly when they dare open their mouth against their husband.

MrBrownJay1:
You see it everyday:
- Some religious person is very ill, and instead of sending that person to hospital ASAP, some silly conman in robe will tell them to PRAY about it to get better. Sick people stop taking their meds believing that praying could cure them of serious deadly illness.
- some religious person can barely survive, yet some fraudster in robe will demand 10% from that person's miserable life every damn week... In the guise that their lives will be better.
- some unfortunate babe will get pregnant and instead of having an abortion (like she desires) some religious person will say that it's against the bible, thus this woman will be forced against her will to have this child she does NOT desire, possibly don't love and CANT physically/emotionally or financially take care of.... then we wonder why there is a new trend About newborn babies being thrown in gutter and under bridges..
- religious people reading the bible and saying that men are the head of family bla bla, then we wonder why women are battered openly when they dare open their mouth against their husband.

cc sapiosexuality
joshthefirst

JackBizzle:


cc sapiosexuality
joshthefirst

So how does Christianity support this sort of thing? I find it difficult to understand why anyone will have such problems with Christianity. Jesus Christ, Socrates and Buddha are the three most amazing Characters any good person would follow. I can't have a problem with any of them.

Interesting post OP. Personally, I find it tiresome replying certain religious folks masquerading as knowledgeable people. One mind-boggling realisation I arrived at after I became enlightened enough to go beyond religion and its myths is that I really knew nothing about the world if indeed my creed was false. I have a friend who cannot speak for more than three sentences without mentioning god - "If god bless you with a boy...god gives you a good woman...god helps you...god gave them the brain...god will make you see" etc - but I'm always quick to remind him that I don't share the same world view and that he should learn to hold a conversation without including such. He would get the shock of his life when eventually finds out that he actually knows nothing useful or true and is no different from his ancestors who also held unfounded myths and worse is the realisation of all the time and money wasted on his religion. Given a choice, most people would rather choose what makes them feel good than what is true anyway so I doubt he, like many nigerians, would ever get there. Good lad though.

2) Survivalist mentality.
Just because you are alive doesn't mean that you are living. Poverty makes you focus on surviving and not living. You care about your next food or salary instead of taking time to look At art or do some philosophy on nature. You focus on yourself rather than the bigger picture of the community. You become so materialistic rather than perceptive. When a black man hammers, it is to pop champagne in the club, while the typical white man eats out with family and friends.

I particularly like this point you made, surviving is hard and I think this should be the only excuse (and I'm not one for excuses) Nigerians should make, not slavery or anything else. Focus on self and being materialistic isn't bad at all but I think Nigerians are just perfectly fine with surviving and do not (or is it cannot) see the bigger picture. No desire for leaving a legacy, no thought for what they would be remembered for or as, just live large and die. Some are even tired of living but instead of going quietly would rather wish/pray for their religious apocalypse to come quickly and take the rest of the people with them.

Education, as Horace Mann put it: beyond all other devices of human origin, is the great equaliser of the conditions of men, the balance-wheel of the social machinery.

The lack of education is the main reason for Nigeria's backwardness and by this I mean education that brings enlightenment. How can one truly be learned about the world and reality and still believe nonsense? I believe there are two facets of education, the first for learning how to think rationally in order to ask questions that would eventually lead to solving problems; and the other for training such as learning to become a doctor, an engineer, an architect, a lawyer, even a scientist that is why even highly educated professionals continue to hold on myths of bronze ages to the same degree as those that lived then even after they may have learnt how microorganisms cause disease and could probably do an open-heart surgery. The latter is what black Africa has or was brought to them. We were and are continually being trained to become priests, imams, to read, to treat people and to do as the master did or does. We weren't given true education otherwise not many would hold on to unproductive local traditions and superstitions of abrahamic religions.

Another thing, it takes a certain level of IQ to become an atheist (one who knows why) so I don't sweat it anymore trying to explain my viewpoint to people who do not even know about the religion they so unconsciously defend. Here in London, there are quite a number of young people wearing "I'm a muslim - ask me a question" T-shirt but I wonder how many of these teenagers have indeed read the Quran and would continue to wear the T-shirt after reading it, after they really understand that it is because some people believe every word of it wholeheartedly that is why they are justified in killing the 'infidels.' In Nigeria where an alleged gay writer was abducted but most people were only concerned about where his genitals goes into rather than his whereabouts. Justified this horror with some calling for death for all of them. Only religion/superstition can do this to the mind. Not once had it even crossed their minds that their Lord Jesus Christ might have been wrong when he said '...in the beginning he created them male and female' (Matt 19:4) or that the holy books didn't drop from the sky.

As it was when the Queen of England landed on African soil and it was narrated to be the land of savages. Sadly, with the internet, ubiquitous information and technology, so it is today that many are just savages in fine clothes with sophisticated phones and nice cars. Not much different from their ancestors in their minds. They know how to read and use the internet but do not know how to learn.

Education! Education!! Education!!! illuminates. Science is the candle in the darkness of superstition.

Let me share a wonderful comment I found on a book review:
Critical thinking, methodical intellectual habits, reliable epistemology, all boil down to this: creating for yourself a bin of ideas that are as reliable as you can muster, and keeping that separate from all the other ideas, and all the other claims of unknown provenance that are floating around. And that bin needs to be safeguarded. What we call "science" is really just the bin of the best and most sound ideas we have. The only way for an idea to end up in that bin is for it to pass a series of tests. And the only way it can stay in that bin is for it to continue to pass tests. And by and large, the "wisdom" of "holy books" has not passed tests. The ideas in religions cannot pass those tests. And people plead for special exceptions, saying, "Well, you should let this idea in because it cannot be disproven." But that's not the question, whether or not it can be disproven. You cannot let an idea into that bin that hasn't passed any tests, and it doesn't get a free pass simply because there's no way to test it. That bin is only for ideas that have passed tests, period. If an idea cannot be tested, and cannot be gauged for it's proximity to "truth." It's truth value remains unknown. But that bin is only for ideas whose proximity to "truth" can be gauged. This is not to say anything about those untestable ideas. They could be true, or they could be false, or anything in between. But that bin is not for ideas that might be true, on the off-chance. It is only for ideas that can pass tests. And those are the only ideas we should be willing to accept as having any approximation to truth. Every individual should have a bin like this for themselves in their own mind.

JackBizzle

I do agree with your three points bro but I think you missed out an important one - politics and leadership

To understand this let's take a look at Iraq and North Korea.

Iraq: This was a great ancient civilization that invented algebra, perfume, robots, writing, pediatrics and so on.

http://www.preemptivelove.org/5_things_you_probably_didn_t_know_were_invented_in_iraq

But something happened to them - "The Seven Sisters" The seven sisters are the global oil cartel that started foreign oil exploration in 1948. They include:

"1. Anglo-Iranian Oil Company(nowBP)

2.Gulf Oil(later part ofChevron)

3.Royal Dutch Shell

4.Standard Oil Company of California(SoCal, now Chevron)

5.Standard Oil Company of New Jersey(Esso, laterExxon)

6.Standard Oil Company of New York(Socony, laterMobil, now part ofExxonMobil)

7.Texaco(later merged into Chevron)"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sisters_(oil_companies)?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4508768834


These companies have been meddling in the local politics of nations since 1948 (official record) using their government and intelligence agencies like CIA and MI6 to run covert operations that will secure their oil exploration and production business at the expense of the people. The chaos you see in Iraq is caused by them.

The northern Nigeria never wanted to be part of Nigeria. The British planned to give Ghana and Nigeria independence in 1957 but Northern Nigeria refused. Oil was found in Olobiri (PHC) in 1958 and by 1960 they agreed, courtesy of oil politics. Is "Nigeria" better of as three major independent states (North, West and East)? YES.

So when you hear "the unity of this country is non negotiable" understand that that oil exploration and production is still lucrative and most be continued at the expense of real development.

North Korea:

North Korea and South Korea are the same people but why is one more prosperous than other? - politics (political ideology)

If China hadn't left communism by the time they did, they would be much worse than North Korea. A leader rose and the rest was history.

So politics/leadership is a serious factor.

Sapiosexuality:
So how does Christianity support this sort of thing? I find it difficult to understand why anyone will have such problems with Christianity. Jesus Christ, Socrates and Buddha are the three most amazing Characters any good person would follow. I can't have a problem with any of them.

My guy. why are you in such denial? Why??

Does christianity not encourage faith healing?
Is christianity not a brainwashing religion? "Blessed are those who have not seen but still believe"? How can one believe without evidence?

Are there not thousands of fraudulent pastors?


A religion is judged by 2 things-
-Its doctrines
-how its adherents behave.


The christian doctrine is not only hypocritical and contradictory, it is also a good tool for brainwashing. Old and new testament contradicting each other. Jesus and Yahweh preach different things. Different churches with different doctrines.

Christianity has failed in Nigeria and has failed the black man.

TheEminentLaity:
Interesting post OP. Personally, I find it tiresome replying certain religious folks masquerading as knowledgeable people.

These "pseudo-intellectuals" know themselves.

TheEminentLaity:
Interesting post OP. Personally, I find it tiresome replying certain religious folks masquerading as knowledgeable people. One mind-boggling realisation I arrived at after I became enlightened enough to go beyond religion and its myths is that I really knew nothing about the world if indeed my creed was false. I have a friend who cannot speak for more than three sentences without mentioning god - "If god bless you with a boy...god gives you a good woman...god helps you...god gave them the brain...god will make you see" etc - but I'm always quick to remind him that I don't share the same world view and that he should learn to hold a conversation without including such. He would get the shock of his life when eventually finds out that he actually knows nothing useful or true and is no different from his ancestors who also held unfounded myths and worse is the realisation of all the time and money wasted on his religion. Given a choice, most people would rather choose what makes them feel good than what is true anyway so I doubt he, like many nigerians, would ever get there. Good lad though.



I particularly like this point you made, surviving is hard and I think this should be the only excuse (and I'm not one for excuses) Nigerians should make, not slavery or anything else. Focus on self and being materialistic isn't bad at all but I think Nigerians are just perfectly fine with surviving and do not (or is it cannot) see the bigger picture. No desire for leaving a legacy, no thought for what they would be remembered for or as, just live large and die. Some are even tired of living but instead of going quietly would rather wish/pray for their religious apocalypse to come quickly and take the rest of the people with them.

Education, as Horace Mann put it: beyond all other devices of human origin, is the great equaliser of the conditions of men, the balance-wheel of the social machinery.

The lack of education is the main reason for Nigeria's backwardness and by this I mean education that brings enlightenment. How can one truly be learned about the world and reality and still believe nonsense? I believe there are two facets of education, the first for learning how to think rationally in order to ask questions that would eventually lead to solving problems; and the other for training such as learning to become a doctor, an engineer, an architect, a lawyer, even a scientist that is why even highly educated professionals continue to hold on myths of bronze ages to the same degree as those that lived then even after they may have learnt how microorganisms cause disease and could probably do an open-heart surgery. The latter is what black Africa has or was brought to them. We were and are continually being trained to become priests, imams, to read, to treat people and to do as the master did or does. We weren't given true education otherwise not many would hold on to unproductive local traditions and superstitions of abrahamic religions.

Another thing, it takes a certain level of IQ to become an atheist (one who knows why) so I don't sweat it anymore trying to explain my viewpoint to people who do not even know about the religion they so unconsciously defend. Here in London, there are quite a number of young people wearing "I'm a muslim - ask me a question" T-shirt but I wonder how many of these teenagers have indeed read the Quran and would continue to wear the T-shirt after reading it, after they really understand that it is because some people believe every word of it wholeheartedly that is why they are justified in killing the 'infidels.' In Nigeria where an alleged gay writer was abducted but most people were only concerned about where his genitals goes into rather than his whereabouts. Justified this horror with some calling for death for all of them. Only religion/superstition can do this to the mind. Not once had it even crossed their minds that their Lord Jesus Christ might have been wrong when he said '...in the beginning he created them male and female' (Matt 19:4) or that the holy books didn't drop from the sky.

As it was when the Queen of England landed on African soil and it was narrated to be the land of savages. Sadly, with the internet, ubiquitous information and technology, so it is today that many are just savages in fine clothes with sophisticated phones and nice cars. Not much different from their ancestors in their minds. They know how to read and use the internet but do not know how to learn.

Education! Education!! Education!!! illuminates. Science is the candle in the darkness of superstition.

Let me share a wonderful comment I found on a book review:
Critical thinking, methodical intellectual habits, reliable epistemology, all boil down to this: creating for yourself a bin of ideas that are as reliable as you can muster, and keeping that separate from all the other ideas, and all the other claims of unknown provenance that are floating around. And that bin needs to be safeguarded. What we call "science" is really just the bin of the best and most sound ideas we have. The only way for an idea to end up in that bin is for it to pass a series of tests. And the only way it can stay in that bin is for it to continue to pass tests. And by and large, the "wisdom" of "holy books" has not passed tests. The ideas in religions cannot pass those tests. And people plead for special exceptions, saying, "Well, you should let this idea in because it cannot be disproven." But that's not the question, whether or not it can be disproven. You cannot let an idea into that bin that hasn't passed any tests, and it doesn't get a free pass simply because there's no way to test it. That bin is only for ideas that have passed tests, period. If an idea cannot be tested, and cannot be gauged for it's proximity to "truth." It's truth value remains unknown. But that bin is only for ideas whose proximity to "truth" can be gauged. This is not to say anything about those untestable ideas. They could be true, or they could be false, or anything in between. But that bin is not for ideas that might be true, on the off-chance. It is only for ideas that can pass tests. And those are the only ideas we should be willing to accept as having any approximation to truth. Every individual should have a bin like this for themselves in their own mind.

One thing I would like to correct you on is the issue of education in Nigeria. Nigeria's problem is that the educational system is poor. We have Bscs in which students cram and learn nothing

Poor educational system is relatively no education. The system is broken, outdated and ontop of that people cheat their way through the system. Isn't Nigeria the only country on the planet where you hardly find any foreign student in its universities? It is no coincidence that the people are backward.

Even within the best and most functional educational system, there are religious people that is why I mentioned that people can be highly trained professionals but remain as superstitious as the yamamamos of the amazon forest.

JackBizzle:

One thing I would like to correct you on is the issue of education in Nigeria. Nigeria's problem is that the educational system is poor. We have Bscs in which students cram and learn nothing

TheEminentLaity:
Poor educational system is relatively no education. The system is broken, outdated and ontop of that people cheat their way through the system. Isn't Nigeria the only country on the planet where you hardly find any foreign student in its universities? It is no coincidence that the people are backward.

Even within the best and most functional educational system, there are religious people that is why I mentioned that people can be highly trained professionals but remain as superstitious as the yamamamos of the amazon forest.

There are 2 doctors here that are strong Christians. One says that no disease is natural and that all diseases are from man's negligence.

The other doctor hates abortion so much that he posted a full grown baby as a foetus.

JackBizzle:


My guy. why are you in such denial? Why??

Does christianity not encourage faith healing?
Is christianity not a brainwashing religion? "Blessed are those who have not seen but still believe"? How can one believe without evidence?

Are there not thousands of fraudulent pastors?


A religion is judged by 2 things-
-Its doctrines
-how its adherents behave.


The christian doctrine is not only hypocritical and contradictory, it is also a good tool for brainwashing. Old and new testament contradicting each other. Jesus and Yahweh preach different things. Different churches with different doctrines.

Christianity has failed in Nigeria and has failed the black man.

Is there any part of the Christian faith that discourage medications? And do you really think anything is wrong with Faith healing? Isn't spirituality(I'm not talking about religion here) therapeutic? And isn't faith Spiritual? How then is it a wrong method of healing?

Sapiosexuality:
Is there any part of the Christian faith that discourage medications? And do you really think anything is wrong with Faith healing? Isn't spirituality(I'm not talking about religion here) therapeutic? And isn't faith Spiritual? How then is it a wrong method of healing?

Faith healing is the issue here.

Go and heal malaria spiritually now.

That right there is how ridiculous religious beliefs make people appear. Imagine reading a medical textbook written by the first doctor S/He is the type that refers his patients to the pentecostal showmen. Ironically, these same doctors would laugh at the northern governor that said meningitis was brought upon them because of sin.

I have my views on abortions, and I only agree with medical reasons for it but I've always been for the legalisation so that people would go for adequate treatment rather than endangering their lives from treatment by quacks.

JackBizzle:






There are 2 doctors here that are strong Christians. One says that no disease is natural and that all diseases are from man's negligence.

The other doctor hates abortion so much that he posted a full grown baby as a foetus.

TheEminentLaity:
That right there is how ridiculous religious beliefs make people appear. Imagine reading a medical textbook written by the first doctor S/He is the type that refers his patients to the pentecostal showmen. Ironically, these same doctors would laugh at the northern governor that said meningitis was brought upon them because of sin.

I have my views on abortions, and I only agree with medical reasons for it but I've always been for the legalisation so that people would go for adequate treatment rather than endangering their lives from treatment by quacks.

How can a doctor not believe in Evolution? How can a doctor believe in spiritual healing?


This is what happens when you mix a heavy dose of religion with poor education