diezani:


good point.
but I'll point out some things

hunger will never cease, there will always be school fees or one family commitment. helping your family, is an obligation that you're expected to fulfill . helping a stranger is not compulsory, it carries more reward, especially when it is anonymous.
for the purpose of this discussion, let's use the bible , since we're talking about giving to church
remember. charity begins at home is not in the bible.
the bible tells us to give to strangers and beggars, Jesus said we should do good to them , including unbelievers. because if you do good to Christians or family alone, what difference does it make? after all unbelievers do good to their fellows , so we must do more than them, stand out.

as for seed sowing, God repeatedly asks us to honour him with our substance, physical substance. and even dares us that let's bring our substance ( tithe and offering) and see if he will not open the storehouse of blessings to us...
the problem with Nigerians be say we too dey form smart for God matter, we give and start monitoring our offering. God that asked us to give substance , is he here physically to consume the substance? A quick question, when you pay tax, can you go to FIRS and ask dem how the money was remitted and spent? even in the UK where there's accountability, once your tax is deducted, you can only complain that your tax is being used for war or for refugees or as social security for less privileged, na there your talk reach. you can't do anything about it.
but here we come see God finish, because we assume we are giving the money to the pastor. If you believe you have given your offering to God, forget about it, even if the pastor uses it to buy beer in your front, DAT one no concern you, God go bless you sharply, na him and d pastor go come reason. Abi does God redistribute the offering money to bless us? Whether you do offering or not, he go still bless you, but he's just looking for that sacrifice along with righteousness.

so in my own case, I dey sow seed , I dey do offering and tithe and give out , and God blesses me accordingly. Sometimes I can walk into any church I like and pay my tithe, na God I give , no be pastor. God dey see everything. For olden days , no be burn dem dey burn sacrifice? Na only smell dey reach God yet e dey bless people anyhow.

God bless you real good.

DISCLAIMER : THE ABOVE DOES NOT RELATE TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR HIS WORDS AS CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE. I NO COME HERE TO ARGUE

diezani:


exactly. so the law of giving exists. it is a mystery and a cardinal point of all old and new age religions and societies. If you want to receive you must give. especially when you do not accept recompense or any physical gratification, that your blessing would force its way to get to you. Ask around, there is not stingy 'clean' rich man. if you see a rich man that's stingy, know that he got his wealth through unholy methods.

so if this giving law cannot be broken in human-human relationships, how much more in a situation when you give with the intention that you're giving God?
God bless you .

diezani:


for just typing these alone, God dun bless me already. E-mail wey I send for one international matter like DAT, the reply dun dey over due, I dun even comot mind, THE REPLY JUST CAME IN RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW. HALLELUJAH!!!
MAKE UNA NO USE GOD PLAY OO, BECAUSE HIS WORD DOESNT EXPIRE OR FAIL. TRY GOD AND SEE
5- point agenda
Righteousness
Sacrifice
Diligence
Love
Faith

bezimo:



You are a confused man looking for were to expose your daftness. How does the Bishop of Living faith relate to what the pastor is saying..
More often than not you would hear Bishop emphasizing the importance of hardwork in some of his teaching so your deliberate attempt to discredit and malign Bishop Oyedepo under a false notion of focusing on seed sowing is not only daft, foolish but ludicrously ignorant.
Look else to vent your frustration.

IMASTEX:
Tell them the hard truth. Turn 50% of the present church buildings to industries and you will have less crime to deal with.

morereb10:


more @ http://www.exlinklodge.com/2017/08/clergy-warns-against-seed-sowing-god.html

An2elect2:
This man is a bit sound.

blueseacats:
it's your money , spend it as you wish, but make sure you pay tax, for not paying tax is even a bigger sin before god and man.

Topgainer:

It is a difficult thing to defend Oyedepo who is the main Apostle of money doubling Christianity. I understand your anger and the insults you are hauling on that guy for mentioning lord Oyedepo.


He has enriched himself wholly from demanding seeds in a manner that is very fraudulent from his followers. 6 years ago, I stopped watching or following his Canaanland Shiloh after an episode that was clearly not the teachings of Jesus. He placed many heavy containers around the stage, selected some persons to testify of sowing seeds of all the money they had and receiving in return hundreds in contract as result of sowing seed to Oyedepo. He then gradually worked up his sermon to seed sowing and finally requesting that people should throw in the kind of seeds as they have not done before to experience "money doubling". People were stripped of their possessions, the containers were filled with money, property titles, cheque leaflets, car keys, and so on.
Every other thing he said in his motivational talks were not as moving as marrying the testimonies of the selected men and the need to sow seed to experience financial doubling.
In my recent posts on this forum I challenged the fraudulent seed sowing concepts for virtually everything in today's Christianity. Jesus didn't teach that people must sow money seeds as part of prayer rituals. The Apostles didn't teach that either. And I asked which Father will demand that his children should sow seeds before he can grant their request for school fees, feeding needs, clothing needs and any other needs for that matter. How much more God Almighty.
I don't believe Oyedepo is a man of God. A shrewd Businessman is the best description of him and all who talk like him. They hardly use Jesus as the standard but are quick to lift passages in the old testaments that fits their purpose which is to extract money from people.

diezani:


my tax is deducted before I get alert

9jvirgin:
My church is the only Church on earth that offering baskets or plates are not passed around. Tithes and offerings are given voluntarily and they are paid ONLINE USING DEBIT/ CREDIT CARDS or via SHORT SMS CODE. All payments are anonymous and it does not matter what you give because nobody knows.

GOD BLESS HEARTLAND CHURCH.

mazimee:
Modern day Christians thinks otherwise sir . They think of God like a money doubler who you give 1000 and receive 10000.

Little wonder the gospel of sowing seeds, first fruit and tithe is selling more than the message of Jesus Christ

bezimo:

No matter how you put it, you can be easily classified as the sconers and modern day pharisees..

Seed sowing in the kigdom of God is not Bishop opinion but clearly instructed from the Bible.Be it tithe, worship offering, or prophet offering, or sacrifices or whatever it is. They are commanded from scriptures.

What more, we are required to ONLY give willingly and at no point in my many years under Bishop as he ever forced anyone to give so your argument is unfounded lame and ignorant.

Besides if you are not a giver in the church you have no right to voice any opinion on the matter but rather in the garbage were it belongs.

Me just like many Winner members worlwide and many christians out there give in church among other giving channels and have no reason to be forced or regret it.So your opinion on this matter is garbage and unsolicited...

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Okies27:
. It's only half baked Christians like the guy criticizing Oyedepo that sees the post as being new. This is a teaching we are used to in Living Faith Church.

richidinho:
I think I know this man before when he was the senior pastor then under winners in bayelsa

thepillarofafrica:

maybe his lookalike... he's never been a winners pastor.

Topgainer:

I totally agree that givings should be done willingly but among those categories you listed are some which Christians are not instructed upon as prerequisites for making demands from God. They are money tithes, first fruits and money seeds. Men spurred by greed have made subtle laws out of them.
I am unscathed by your bilious vituperations. It depends on what you mean by seeing the Bishop use force to extract money from his followers. Let me remind you that coercion and intimidation is also forceful in its own merit. Hitler's tool worked as effectively as bending the will of people with guns pointed to their skulls.

Like I said, I don't believe Oyedepo and his style of Christianity has any striking resemblance to the one brought by Jesus and practiced by his Apostles. That's my belief and it is firm. But as a serial investor and businessman he has my respect the same respect I will accord Dangote without looking at his religion.

You are free to believe your own theories and persuasions, no need of flaring up and empty curses.

Grace001:



Bro i have a question for you, It is something i'm curious about since you're a member of the Living Faith Church i'm going to ask you. My question is are there any among the members of the Living faith Church richer or at the same wealth level of Papa. I meant are there any record of members who own private jet and have multiple universities just like papa? Since you guys pay your tithes and other convenant vows regularly.