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Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by Ken4Christ: 10:44pm On Aug 15, 2017
Abel Damina's submission is not a balanced teachings. Seed sowing is Scriptural but it has not been properly presented and many men of God has used it to take advantage of the brethren.

If seed sowing is not scriptural, then Jesus lied and Apostle Paul lied also for they all taught about seed sowing.

The only clause that most preachers don't add is that the harvest don't always come back in multiple form as expected. It comes through God blessing the works of your hand which in turn produces the money you are expecting.

Just because so many don't want or love to give, they quickly hail Dr Abel's message.

Study your Bible very well. There are overwhelming evidence that supports the doctrine of Seed sowing and their are times the harvest actually come back multiplied unto you.

The subject is so broad that space and time may not permit me to give references here but it is Scriptural.

Let me just quote a few Scriptures that supports the doctrine of Seed sowing.

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Mark 10:29-30.
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

30 But HE SHALL RECEIVE an HUNDREDFOLD NOW IN THIS TIME, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

2nd Corinthians 9:10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousnesswink.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Psalms 126:5-6.
5 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.

6 He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.

Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

God himself applies the principle of Seed sowing. It is seen in virtually all the things he created.

When he wanted to reconcile men back to him, he gave Jesus as a seed. If Jesus had not died, he would have remained the only begotten son of God. Through his death, God now has countless number of children.

When Abraham wanted children, he asked him to give up Isaac his only son. And in a sense, Isaac died. That is why Isreal became so fruitful.

Just because a message has been abused doesn't make it wrong. There are many Pastors who have scammed countless thousands through this seed sowing teachings but the message is Scriptural. What we need is a balanced teaching on the subject.
Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by Topgainer: 10:55pm On Aug 15, 2017
Ken4Christ:
Abel Damina's submission is not a balanced teachings. Seed sowing is Scriptural but it has not been properly presented and many men of God has used it to take advantage of the brethren.

If seed sowing is not scriptural, then Jesus lied and Apostle Paul lied also for they all taught about seed sowing.

The only clause that most preachers don't add is that the harvest don't always come back in multiple form as expected. It comes through God blessing the works of your hand which in turn produces the money you are expecting.

Just because so many don't want or love to give, they quickly hail Dr Abel's message.

Study your Bible very well. There are overwhelming evidence that supports the doctrine of Seed sowing and their are times the harvest actually come back multiplied unto you.

The subject is so broad that space and time may not permit me to give references here but it is Scriptural.

Let me just quote a few Scriptures that supports the doctrine of Seed sowing.

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Mark 10:29-30.
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

30 But HE SHALL RECEIVE an HUNDREDFOLD NOW IN THIS TIME, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

2nd Corinthians 9:10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousnesswink.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Psalms 126:5-6.
5 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.

6 He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.

Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

God himself applies the principle of Seed sowing. It is seen in virtually all the things he created.

When he wanted to reconcile men back to him, he gave Jesus as a seed. If Jesus had not died, he would have remained the only begotten son of God. Through his death, God now has countless number of children.

When Abraham wanted children, he asked him to give up Isaac his only son. And in a sense, Isaac died. That is why Isreal became so fruitful.

Just because a message has been abused doesn't make it wrong. There are many Pastors who have scammed countless thousands through this seed sowing teachings but the message is Scriptural. What we need is a balanced teaching on the subject.
Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by Topgainer: 10:59pm On Aug 15, 2017
If seed sowing is not scriptural, then Jesus lied and Apostle Paul lied also for they all taught about seed sowing.
----- @ken4Christ.
Neither Jesus nor Paul lied about seed sowing but the seed sowing parables of Jesus or that of Paul is not talking about money seed but the labour of the gospel preachers and the Word they preach. Misinterpretations for personal enrichment by Merchants and Pastorpreneurs turned all the parables to mean planting money to reap money.

You have not shown any passage that has instructions for Christians to sow money seed to reap double money or sow seed for every prayer that will pass to God through the Pastor, which is the bone of contention here. This is the aspect that I know the said Pastor declares to be false and it is the tool fraudulent pastors and Bishops use for personal enrichment.
Let's briefly look at your quotations on seed to see if it is about money.
Luke 6: 38. The Give there is all encompassing and to say it is relating to the subject of seed money is unfair. It didn't even restrict giving to a Church as most churches exclusively use it to rake in money.
Mark 10:29-30
Is also not about seed money but dedication to duty and selflessness exemplified by the European missionaries for instance who left the comfort of homes and better life to the forests of Africa in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries to teach about Jesus.
2 Corinthians 9: 10 is not about money doubling but the word of God preached (seed) planted into lives which grows or multiplies into numerous fruits of righteousness ( disciples of righteousness)
Gal 6: 7, in fact, from vs 1 through 10. Is not discussing seed money in anyway. It is talking about sowing seeds of good deeds among Christians. It is not saying sow seed money and you will reap double seed money. Character and its reward is the main point there.
The old testament references do not either refer to the seed money, although, a Christian is not bound by them. Your analogy with Abraham giving Isaac to get a fruitful Israel as nice as it sounds does not apply to any Christian who believed that all the sacrifices are complete in Jesus. One does not need to sow his son by extension money through a Pastor, to God before one's prayers will pass. You rightly said through his death access was granted to many children why then do faithless generation enrich many deceivers who teach that Jesus is not sufficient an access to God. But a seed money will open the doors Jesus can't open.
If you have other references of seed money and money doubling bring it on. There is no justification for that teaching except greed and for enrichment of certain characters. Christians when it concerns money, are instructed to give offerings and alms which in themselves do not relate to seed money for money doubling. Things about money as instructed by the founding fathers of Christianity, should be by personal convictions, no law, no coersion, no attachments, no money doubling intentions, no hidden charges and burden.

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Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by Ken4Christ: 2:22pm On Aug 16, 2017
Topgainer:
----- @ken4Christ.
Neither Jesus nor Paul lied about seed sowing but the seed sowing parables of Jesus or that of Paul is not talking about money seed but the labour of the gospel preachers and the Word they preach. Misinterpretations for personal enrichment by Merchants and Pastorpreneurs turned all the parables to mean planting money to reap money.

You have not shown any passage that has instructions for Christians to sow money seed to reap double money or sow seed for every prayer that will pass to God through the Pastor, which is the bone of contention here. This is the aspect that I know the said Pastor declares to be false and it is the tool fraudulent pastors and Bishops use for personal enrichment.
Let's briefly look at your quotations on seed to see if it is about money.
Luke 6: 38. The Give there is all encompassing and to say it is relating to the subject of seed money is unfair. It didn't even restrict giving to a Church as most churches exclusively use it to rake in money.
Mark 10:29-30
Is also not about seed money but dedication to duty and selflessness exemplified by the European missionaries for instance who left the comfort of homes and better life to the forests of Africa in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries to teach about Jesus.
2 Corinthians 9: 10 is not about money doubling but the word of God preached (seed) planted into lives which grows or multiplies into numerous fruits of righteousness ( disciples of righteousness)
Gal 6: 7, in fact, from vs 1 through 10. Is not discussing seed money in anyway. It is talking about sowing seeds of good deeds among Christians. It is not saying sow seed money and you will reap double seed money. Character and its reward is the main point there.
The old testament references do not either refer to the seed money, although, a Christian is not bound by them. Your analogy with Abraham giving Isaac to get a fruitful Israel as nice as it sounds does not apply to any Christian who believed that all the sacrifices are complete in Jesus. One does not need to sow his son by extension money through a Pastor, to God before one's prayers will pass. You rightly said through his death access was granted to many children why then do faithless generation enrich many deceivers who teach that Jesus is not sufficient an access to God. But a seed money will open the doors Jesus can't open.
If you have other references of seed money and money doubling bring it on. There is no justification for that teaching except greed and for enrichment of certain characters. Christians when it concerns money, are instructed to give offerings and alms which in themselves do not relate to seed money for money doubling. Things about money as instructed by the founding fathers of Christianity, should be by personal convictions, no law, no coersion, no attachments, no money doubling intentions, no hidden charges and burden.

You are completely ignorant of the teachings of Jesus. Even giving of alms is a seed sown into the lives of people. When Jesus asked the young rich ruler in Mark, Chapter 10 to sell all he had and give to the poor, he was teaching him how to sow seeds.

After the man left in disappointment, Jesus now summed up his message in Mark 10:29-30.

Read it and you will learn.

Nobody is teaching money doubling. I mentioned that men of God has used it to defraud people.

Whatever you choose to give should be based on revelation and it should come from your heart.

The harvest comes in different ways. God can open up opportunities for you. He can cause people to give back to you.

Please read your Bible. It is a doctrine that I can back up with hundreds of Scriptures.
Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by Topgainer: 3:36pm On Aug 16, 2017
Ken4Christ:


You are completely ignorant of the teachings of Jesus. Even giving of alms is a seed sown into the lives of people. When Jesus asked the young rich ruler in Mark, Chapter 10 to sell all he had and give to the poor, he was teaching him how to sow seeds.
After the man left in disappointment, Jesus now summed up his message in Mark 10:29-30.
Read it and you will learn.
Nobody is teaching money doubling. I mentioned that men of God has used it to defraud people.
Whatever you choose to give should be based on revelation and it should come from your heart.
The harvest comes in different ways. God can open up opportunities for you. He can cause people to give back to you.
Please read your Bible. It is a doctrine that I can back up with hundreds of Scriptures.
There is no point declaring who is ignorant and who is not. Bring your hundreds of scriptures to back up the express instructions for Christians on seed money by Jesus or his Apostles. I will be happy to see them and see how they relate to the extortions going on with that concept.
Provided you keep insults far, I will respond and engage you on the subject.



The proclamation of Pastor Damina is about money seed sowing in respect of money doubling (favours) which God will do. I stand with him that it is not an instruction anywhere to Christians and that notion must be corrected.
A pastor that lives in Magaddo, he calls himself a prophet of liberation once asked a woman who came for prayers to sow a seed of a parcel of land that was the only thing of her family still in her care. Her troubles were many and she hoped for "bigger money to fall on her. " He took the land from her with the promise that she should hope on gods to lift her up. Few months down the line an enlightened family member passed the land to see multimillionaire edifice under construction and was surprised thinking the land was sold. The family discussed the issue, it dawned on the woman that she has been scammed. The pastor was asked to vacate the Land, he dragged them to court but later opted to pay for the Land to avoid exposing him the more to others he had scammed in like manner

Mark 10: 17-31 again is not about seed money to God that fraudulent Pastors do, it is teaching selflessness and focus. It was an encounter between Jesus and a man whose dedication is more to the riches he has than the Lord's commandments. The summary of which is that You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart. But the young man loved money with all his heart.

You should also know that in that passage Jesus didn't say bring the money realized to God or to Church as the fraudulent seed -money concept. He said give to the poor and you shall have riches in Heaven. The riches in Heaven is figurative (I will not go into what that means for now).
Unlike our Pastorpreneurs who'ld emphasize that the money should be brought to them (gods) as seed money for prayers to be answered, Jesus didn't show any interest to take a dime from the young man in exchange for the eternal life he sought. I ask again, which Father will require a seed money from his teenage child before the child's prayers are answered?
There is nothing like seed money mentioned in that passage and any pastor that uses that passage to extract money from his congregation in exchange for passing prayers to God should reexamine his life seriously. The idea that people should give in or pay in something for prayers requested to be granted in alien to Christianity. Giving in Christianity should not be with the intention of making (recouping) bigger money. In Acts 4: 36, Barnabas sold his field and gave the money 100% to the welfare of the disciples. There is no report that he made a demand on it or nursed expectations of doubling it like the whole concept of seed money peddled by some. Therefore, the offerings/gifts of Barnabas or the rich young man if he had sold his possessions doesn't represent the fraudulent seed money doctrines in circulation.

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Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by tourphland(m): 8:29am On Aug 17, 2017
missionmex:
you are the one who need to use the brain. You think because you are a Muslim then you are above gullibility.
Wtf!!! Are u saying
Read my previous comments and stop spilling rubbish here please........ Atleast I'm not d pastor who gave d view first.
Thanks
Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by stevecantrell: 10:54am On Aug 17, 2017
Dereformer:



Yes, one way or the other it does. I am a living witness. And thats why I cannot stop giving to them.

Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by Ken4Christ: 7:21pm On Aug 31, 2017
Topgainer:

There is no point declaring who is ignorant and who is not. Bring your hundreds of scriptures to back up the express instructions for Christians on seed money by Jesus or his Apostles. I will be happy to see them and see how they relate to the extortions going on with that concept.
Provided you keep insults far, I will respond and engage you on the subject.



The proclamation of Pastor Damina is about money seed sowing in respect of money doubling (favours) which God will do. I stand with him that it is not an instruction anywhere to Christians and that notion must be corrected.
A pastor that lives in Magaddo, he calls himself a prophet of liberation once asked a woman who came for prayers to sow a seed of a parcel of land that was the only thing of her family still in her care. Her troubles were many and she hoped for "bigger money to fall on her. " He took the land from her with the promise that she should hope on gods to lift her up. Few months down the line an enlightened family member passed the land to see multimillionaire edifice under construction and was surprised thinking the land was sold. The family discussed the issue, it dawned on the woman that she has been scammed. The pastor was asked to vacate the Land, he dragged them to court but later opted to pay for the Land to avoid exposing him the more to others he had scammed in like manner

Mark 10: 17-31 again is not about seed money to God that fraudulent Pastors do, it is teaching selflessness and focus. It was an encounter between Jesus and a man whose dedication is more to the riches he has than the Lord's commandments. The summary of which is that You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart. But the young man loved money with all his heart.

You should also know that in that passage Jesus didn't say bring the money realized to God or to Church as the fraudulent seed -money concept. He said give to the poor and you shall have riches in Heaven. The riches in Heaven is figurative (I will not go into what that means for now).
Unlike our Pastorpreneurs who'ld emphasize that the money should be brought to them (gods) as seed money for prayers to be answered, Jesus didn't show any interest to take a dime from the young man in exchange for the eternal life he sought. I ask again, which Father will require a seed money from his teenage child before the child's prayers are answered?
There is nothing like seed money mentioned in that passage and any pastor that uses that passage to extract money from his congregation in exchange for passing prayers to God should reexamine his life seriously. The idea that people should give in or pay in something for prayers requested to be granted in alien to Christianity. Giving in Christianity should not be with the intention of making (recouping) bigger money. In Acts 4: 36, Barnabas sold his field and gave the money 100% to the welfare of the disciples. There is no report that he made a demand on it or nursed expectations of doubling it like the whole concept of seed money peddled by some. Therefore, the offerings/gifts of Barnabas or the rich young man if he had sold his possessions doesn't represent the fraudulent seed money doctrines in circulation.

The challenges we have on doctrinal issues today is that of going to extreme.

I don't preach to anyone that God doubles your money but any seed you sow whether money or good deeds can either be multiplied back to you or open up doors of favour and blessings.

Let's begin with a popular statement credited to our Lord Jesus in Luke 6:38;

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Jesus stressed the fact that whatever you give to men, you will receive also from men in greater measure. This is seed sowing but sowing into the lives of men.

Apostle Paul reminded the Church in Corinth of the need to minister to the Saints. He dedicated almost a full chapter explaining why they should do it. He concluded that God will multiply the seed sown and give them the capacity to give more.

2nd Corinthians 9:1-10

1 For as touching the MINISTERING TO THE SAINTS, it is superfluous for me to write to you:

Note the subject - Concerning ministering to the Saints.

2 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.

3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:

4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.

5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

Note : He links the subject to seed sowing.

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Note : Verse 7 confirms he was talking about giving.

8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousnesswink

Verse 10 says God will multiply the seed sown.

Please let's take up from here. Refute my explanation. Thanks.
Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by EagleEyes001(m): 7:02am On Sep 01, 2017
If hard work really pays, why aren't the bricklayers the richest people on earth.
Hard work without God's grace is not going to be fruitful.
Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by EagleEyes001(m): 7:03am On Sep 01, 2017
If hard work really pays, why aren't the bricklayers the richest people on earth.
Hard work without God's grace is not going to be fruitful.
Re: Abel Damina Warns Against Seed Sowing: God Doesn't Multiply Money, Hardwork Does by EagleEyes001(m): 7:14am On Sep 01, 2017
What a person believes will follow him, if u believe your hard work will pay it will, if you believe giving will, it will. The bible ask us to believe in the words of God. U are saved because u bliv Jesus died for you. you are healed bcuz Jesus healed you, that is what you bliv. In Bible there are different places that talked about ways to be prosperous, one says "if you belong to Jesus, you are Abraham seed and heirs to the promises of Abraham". Another says, " check Malachi 3: 10 ". And so many others in the word of God(bible).

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