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Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by obatoro: 10:31pm On Nov 12, 2017
Statsocial:

Keep quiet jor mention one place where the post refers to tithing

you have really shown me the type of Christian you are. Now I know by your fruit. E O D
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by steve13(m): 10:33pm On Nov 12, 2017
Sapphire86:


Well you are partially correct. Jesus says I am the sheep and He is the true and good shepherd so of course i need direction and guidance.

Superhumanist indeed, you are free to make your decisions but let me be with mine. Is your money missing

Are you obeying God or Man? Are you serving God or pastors ? Who even told you your pastor is from God , very very sad how you have been decieved . I serve the God and His son Jesus Christ never commanded us to pay tithe , and therefore there is no condemnation for those in Christ ... secondly tithe paid in the bible was NEVER money .
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by openmine(m): 10:41pm On Nov 12, 2017
Op If this is the only response or defense U could come up with to justify tithing by Pastors and ministers,then Am totally disappointed!!
No one is talking about giving for charity....
Sane Christians are asking why the scriptures that are as clear as daylight are manipulated to suit ministers of the Gospel!!
True believers are asking how pastors and ministers of the gospel miraculously or automatically became LEVITES
Why is it that there is so much emphasis on Malachi 3:10 when most if not all the ministers of the gospel have intentionally evaded Deuteronomy 14:22-29?
And why are ministers and pastors not following the doctrines of the early Christians in terms of Giving?
Pls OP spare us All these emotional Blackmail and get a better defence about why Pastor should receive tithe!!
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by obatoro: 10:54pm On Nov 12, 2017
openmine:
Op If this is the only response or defense U could come up with to justify tithing by Pastors and ministers, then Am totally disappointed!!
No one is talking about giving to charity....
Sane Christians are asking why the scriptures that are as clear as daylight are manipulated to suit ministers of the Gospel!!
True believers are asking how pastors and ministers of the gospel miraculously or automatically became LEVITES
Why is it that there is so much emphasis on Malachi 3:10 when most if not all the ministers of the gospel have intentionally evaded Deuteronomy 14:22-29?
And why are ministers and pastors not following the doctrines of the early Christians in terms of Giving?
Pls OP spare us All these emotional Blackmail and get a better defense about why Pastor should receive tithe!!
Thank you, simple English.
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by mozele(m): 11:12pm On Nov 12, 2017
Narldon:


I just killed the mosquito that bit me last month.


The bastard thought I won't recognise him this night angry


Narldy you know I'd like to dash you that kind of slap that makes you turn 3 times before shouting Ewoo...

Its like you've been reading too much of KJV version lately. I don use style pick interest for your matter.
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by obatoro: 11:19pm On Nov 12, 2017
you mean this kind slap?

Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by lloyds(m): 11:27pm On Nov 12, 2017
Hell is using Freeze and Co to break down the strength and forward growth of faith. . Saul of Tarsus did more than that against Jesus. .

They are waisting their time, no man can stop the hand and fire of GOD.
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by Zeek21(m): 11:40pm On Nov 12, 2017
All this people saying Jesus did not ask us to pay tithe did you try reading your Bible at all? Even if you can not read your Bible try ask google na.

Now this us Jesus speaking in Luke 11:42

New Living Translation
"What sorrow awaits you Pharisees! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

Should in case you doubt my Bible confirm it from your own Bible.

I know after you confirm it you will still come up with something else but all this talk talk is a means for you to justify what your conscience has been pricking you about. All this while or you are just sad or fulll with hatred for the prosperity of these men of God, if not why are you pained about what they do with their money ? You say the poor's money na wa o, poor man na your money ? If it easy abeg go start your own church na and put it on your sign board WE DON'T PAY TITHE HERE.

But I know you won't dare it cos you know the work involve sacrifice and that sacrifice you can't pay it but it easy for you to criticise. Even your campaigner, me I'm waiting for him to start a church soon (freeze). Let him come and show other pastors how the work of God is to be done, if he did not start a church, he us just a noise maker, period.
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by Fingerprinter(m): 12:00am On Nov 13, 2017
eph12:

What were Annanias and Sapphira trying to do before they died?

Even me wey no dey go church know say the people you mentioned were not trying to pay tithe before they died.
They made a pledge, not tithe, and were dishonest in redeeming the pledge.
The reason that infuriated God to kill them was because they pledged willingly and later wanted to game the system.
Moreover, let's assume it was tithe that they were trying to pay, did the apostles receiving it then use it to buy new donkeys and chariots for themselves? Did they not share it among the poor and the needy in the congregation?
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by eph12(m): 6:10am On Nov 13, 2017
Fingerprinter:


Even me wey no dey go church know say the people you mentioned were not trying to pay tithe before they died.
They made a pledge, not tithe, and were dishonest in redeeming the pledge.
The reason that infuriated God to kill them was because they pledged willingly and later wanted to game the system.
Moreover, let's assume it was tithe that they were trying to pay, did the apostles receiving it then use it to buy new donkeys and chariots for themselves? Did they not share it among the poor and the needy in the congregation?
LOL! Of course I know that wasn't tithe but they brought money to church. In fact they were selling their properties and not bringing just 10% but all. Whether will call it tithe or offering or contribution what is the difference? The point is this didn't start today whether tithe or offering or pledge.

Everyone with common sense know that not every act was recorded in the Bible. And there are lots of good carried out by churches today but they are not considered news worthy
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by OlaSpeaker(m): 7:45am On Nov 13, 2017
goodnews777:
That explains why you have to be careful the way you react when NIGERIANS are in trouble. Gods judgement is falling on many of them especially those YORUBA MUSLIMS that the MUSLIM North is using to champion the campaign against the church. Misfortune will continue to fall on them direct from the throne of God. Everyone who positions themselves for the devil to use them shall fall in JESUS mighty name.Amen.
This is not the gospel of Christ Jesus

Matthew 5:44 King James Version (KJV)
But I say unto you, Love your enemies,
bless them that curse you, do good to them
that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you;

if truly you are a Christlike Christian you will practice whar Christ Jesus preaches
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by Nobody: 8:21am On Nov 13, 2017
Have been giving over 30% of money I make a month to the poor,needy,orphanage,helpin pple start up business and achieve their dreams in academics...I don't pay tithe but i give offering moderately in church and render my service n skills when needed,and have been really blessed...do u know how many pple dat had given hope on God or dint even bliv in God because of lacks? My assistance to dem made dem bliv in God n know its him alone dat sent me to dem,and when i look back at those moments with them,I knw am fulfilled in life,I know I have a purpose in life....shun tithing and do d important tins of God my bros n sis
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by srrrr(m): 8:51am On Nov 13, 2017
NtoAkwaIbom:
Its so shameful that Jesus clearly stated in Matthew that tithing was the least of what we should be concerned of, but since it is the main stay of all this scaming pastors, they have to device all means to fight to sustain it, even though its evidently unbiblical.

In Numbers the Levites specially set aside to be the only ones to act as mediators between God and the isrealites, and their pay was the 10% which was given them, as God didnt give them any other form of inheritance.
From their tithe they(levite) were to pay 10% from all of it to the High priest.. And after 3yrs they were to give back some to the people to use it in bying whatever they needed.

Jesus however came in and bridged the gap, back then all supplication were to the high priest, who then offered burnt offerings to God. But Jesus came in and Sacrificed himself, so that through him, all men could connect directly to God...thereby doing away with the need of the levite.

In Romans, the word of God says that we are all called to the Royal Priesthood to be Priest and Kings.
Thus we all our priest, and the only 10% we need to give is to God directly.
Back then it was by burn offering... But When the rich man came to Jesus to ask how to make eternal life, Jesus told him to sell his riches and give to the poor.

And today, Jesus Christ does not demand for Just 10% of us, He demands that we give our body, and soul to God, and to him alone.

So all these noise about tithing is kind of silly, as it is alien to Christianity, as neither Jesus Christ nor his disciples demanded of them... It was for the Levites, and to them only.
So stop fighting or trying to win points for all these yahoo yahoo pastors, that have disgraced the church by Monetizing everything ....

Drops Mic
stop writing ancienne histoire its out of point. What do you have to say about the topic.
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by srrrr(m): 11:29am On Nov 13, 2017
cloud9usher:
Look here, no one is fighting the church, people are only asking valid questions, and its normal, as long as those heading churches are humans its only normal to keep a check on them, even the Bible said that in the last days there would be a lot of false prophets, so you feel no one should talk about the church or ask questions especially when its clear some have turned the work of God into a business?

This write up of yours is as a result of the tithe issue going on now.

I have some questions about this tithing issue:
-Tithing was a law under Moses law. Are we still under the law of Moses? Tithing was a Jewish Church custom, why do pastors of present only pick tithing and not practising the other numerous Jewish customs as well?

-Tithes were for the Levites, are pastors from the tribe of Levi as well? Are we not the Gentiles?

-Levites were not allowed to have land or property and hence tithes was suppose to be for their up keep, why do pastors of now own property and lands and private jets and still collect tithes?

-When Abraham paid tithe, he did it just once! The Israelites paid tithes once from a years harvest, and then after 3 years, so where in the Bible did our present pastors get it that tithes should be paid monthly?

-The apostles who founded churches across the world back then, why didn't ANY of them including Jesus collect tithes? Back then Jesus himself paid tax to the government when he sent for a coin to be collected from a fish to pay his tax, yet he never collected any tithe, our pastors don't pay tax, yet they collect tithes which Jesus and his disciples never did, why is this so?

-Why do our pastors find it so hard to back up their argument about tithing with biblical scriptures?

Jesus always preached about love and giving to the poor and even rebuked the Jews back then that tithing is a less important thing and they should concentrate on more important things like love.

To me, what I give out is usually higher than even 10% of tithe. So are you telling me that its better I gave out 10% for tithe and expect blessings and not help those I supported financially? A relative asked me for help so she can complete her school fees, a friend who is unemployed asked that I help him with some cash as he is broke, what I spent is even more than tithe. A very hard working lady close to my office who hawks water told me how she needed money to upgrade her services, I gave her some cash and promised to add more when I can. I was coming from work some nights ago and I met a woman whom I have never seen before, she stopped me and asked that I help her with some money so her and her kids can eat that night, I gave her most of the money on me and only remained the money I would need for transportation the next day. Similarly, while passing through a restaurant, a young man walked to me and asked that I buy food for him and his sister, I happily helped out, that is the love God was talking about.

There is no way you can be under any curse as erroneously said if you don't tithe, just make sure you help your fellow brothers/sisters, and do it in love and you would surely prosper! Most of the richest people in the world are not even practicing Christians let alone tithers. Now because of this free money of tithes, lots of fake pastors have come out as weeds to benefit from this.

As for me I prefer giving more than my 10% to my fellow people in need than paying tithe. Just work hard, love God, love your neighbour, give to those in need whenever the opportunity arises, and nothing would stop you from prospering in life, nothing has stopped me, your case can't be different either.
one could infer that tithe started as a means of helping the poor and it still is in true churches. PJs and wealth in pastors possession come, most times, as gifts. If your heart condemns tithing then do what you are convinced is the best way to spread love to the poor. I see tithing as a way of acknowledging God in my finances and it would in no way stop me from helping anyone in need.
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by 9nice1x: 1:56pm On Nov 13, 2017
No. 23. Correction, not only Unilag 1st class graduates but all Nigerian and oversees 1st class graduates as long as they are members of MFM. One year, 82 were presented and currently the number have soared beyond all expectation. Bad for news (for Sahara Reporters). Good for the beneficiaries and encouragement for all students.
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by pxalmydee(m): 3:26pm On Nov 13, 2017
corruption is fighting back�
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by pxalmydee(m): 3:27pm On Nov 13, 2017
Sapphire86:
Well done OP!!

Proud to be a Christian
Proud to be a 'son' of the Most High
Proud to pay my tithes (if any pastor likes, let him spend carelessly - na him and God get discussion. I only pay to church because I don't know the address of God in heaven grin

Proud to be a lover of the things of God and also giving cheerfully.
Your brainwashing came with serial number...it was carried out with hypo and jik
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by olabrad: 7:53pm On Nov 13, 2017
Statsocial:

Listen to me and listen to me very carefully! I spent nearly 20 years of my life in the Orthodox church. I have also spent some time in the Pentecostal church. There is absolutely no division between the Orthodox and Pentecostal. We are one body and one family rooted in Christ so carry ur division back to wherever you picked it from.

Dey there dey fool yourself. Celestial church invited Mike Murdock for one of their programs sometimes ago, but PFN went to spoil the image of celestial church with Mike Murdock. They told him that celestial church is not a real Christian body. They also told him that his image will be damaged if he attends celestial church program. And your thoughtless self still say there is no difference? Hope you can see how blind you are?

A lady friend of mine is presently attending a Bible school, and do you know the first topic they taught them? Why Catholic Church is demonic; that's the first topic. Yet, you can sit on your smelly assss to utter rubbish you don't have any understanding about. Learn to use your brain before making comments. It will do your life a lot of good.
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by Sapphire86(f): 6:57am On Nov 14, 2017
pxalmydee:

Your brainwashing came with serial number...it was carried out with hypo and jik

Thank you
Re: Church And The Deception Of The Media - By Leke Beecroft by Navi(m): 10:52am On Jan 28, 2018
NtoAkwaIbom:
Its so shameful that Jesus clearly stated in Matthew that tithing was the least of what we should be concerned of, but since it is the main stay of all this scaming pastors, they have to device all means to fight to sustain it, even though its evidently unbiblical.

In Numbers the Levites specially set aside to be the only ones to act as mediators between God and the isrealites, and their pay was the 10% which was given them, as God didnt give them any other form of inheritance.
From their tithe they(levite) were to pay 10% from all of it to the High priest.. And after 3yrs they were to give back some to the people to use it in bying whatever they needed.

Jesus however came in and bridged the gap, back then all supplication were to the high priest, who then offered burnt offerings to God. But Jesus came in and Sacrificed himself, so that through him, all men could connect directly to God...thereby doing away with the need of the levite.

In Romans, the word of God says that we are all called to the Royal Priesthood to be Priest and Kings.
Thus we all our priest, and the only 10% we need to give is to God directly.
Back then it was by burn offering... But When the rich man came to Jesus to ask how to make eternal life, Jesus told him to sell his riches and give to the poor.

And today, Jesus Christ does not demand for Just 10% of us, He demands that we give our body, and soul to God, and to him alone.

So all these noise about tithing is kind of silly, as it is alien to Christianity, as neither Jesus Christ nor his disciples demanded of them... It was for the Levites, and to them only.
So stop fighting or trying to win points for all these yahoo yahoo pastors, that have disgraced the church by Monetizing everything ....

Drops Mic
He ddt talk about tithing here. Stop speaking bad of anointed men of God. If they are evil, God will judge them not you.

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