kernel504:



Look! I wouldn't know if you're a Pastor, but then... You can't preach things that doesn't have foundation in Christ, in fact the Bible tells us that "Christ is our perfect example".

The missionaries that brought the Gospel to Africa didn't buy SUVs, education was made free. But today Christians build schools, and can't afford the fees.

Christ is our perfect example

pls why did Christ not reject the expensive alabaster perfume?

hisgrace090:



Means that people have right to or not to pay tithe ?

But this is difference from the pattern preached in our churches today, where it is a must or you get cursed.

Exactly, tithe is not a must.
Nobody said so.

But there is blessing it.
Because it is in Gods Word

felixomor:

Christ is our perfect example
pls why did Christ not reject the expensive alabaster perfume?

Did he do it at the expense of the Church? Did he collect tithe from any?

Firstcitizen:


Mechounu there, in the time of Jesus there were golden chariots made in Rome and pulled by stallions which were the Bentleys and Rolls Royces then. He chose a donkey

Keep Shut
Even Donkey wasnt for poor men

kernel504:


Did he do it at the expense of the Church? Did he collect tithe from any?

Answer pls
Why didnt he reject the expensive alabaster perfume that was at the expense of a worshipper?

felixomor:


God is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever

Yes He is;

He is the same God who required animal sacrifice in the past...He is now the same God who sees you holy through the blood of Jesus...

Let us not mistake all the requirements of the ancient past as necessity for the present and the future...

Judaism and Christianity have their requirements...and Acts 15 clearly states it...

Cheers

felixomor:


Answer pls
Why didnt he reject the expensive alabaster perfume that was at the expense of a worshipper?

He took it, because it was "free will offering" from an individual, he didn't tasked the Church or the poor among them that he needed costly perfume.

kernel504:


He took it, because it was "free will offering" from an individual, he didn't tasked the Church or the poor among them that he needed costly perfume.

Hahahaha
Good, no police forces us to pay tithe
So also the private jets are also free will gifts to pastors

So no need for all the noise

For those who need to understand how tithe was done as required by God, kindly go through the next few posts and see if it is even feasible to practice today;

This information was sourced from Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and ancient rabbinic literatures such as the Talmud;

Tithes in Judaism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tithing in the Temple
The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor. Every year, Bikkurim, Terumah, Ma'aser Rishon and Terumat Ma'aser were separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). Initially, the commandment to separate tithes from one's produce only applied when the entire nation of Israel had settled in the Land of Israel. The Returnees from the Babylonian exile who had resettled the country were a Jewish minority, and who, although they were not obligated to tithe their produce, put themselves under a voluntary bind to do so, and which practice became obligatory upon all.

Terumah (Heave-offering)
The first obligation that was incumbent upon an Israelite or Jew was to separate from his harvested grain (wheat, barley, spelt, etc.), wine (including unpressed grapes) and oil (including unpressed olives) the one-fiftieth portion of these products (or one-fortieth, if he were a man of generosity; and one-sixtieth if he were stingy) and to give the same to a man of Aaron's lineage (priestly stock), who, in turn, would eat such fruits in a state of ritual cleanness, in accordance with a biblical command, "...and let him not eat of the holy things, until he bathes his flesh in water. And when the sun goes down down, he will be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things because it is his food" (Leviticus 22:6). This obligation was contingent upon the fact that such fruits grew in the Land of Israel. Later, the Rabbis made it an obligation to do the same for all fruits and vegetables grown in the Land of Israel, and not only to such fruits as grain, grapes and olives. With the destruction of the Temple and the cessation of ritual purity, the obligation to separate the Terumah continued unabated, although it was no longer given to a priest of Aaron's lineage, since bodily defilement was now pervasive. The general practice after the Temple's destruction was to separate the Terumah from all fruits and vegetables by removing even the slightest portion thereof, and to immediately discard it by burial or some other means of disposal (since it can no longer be eaten in the current state of ritual uncleanness, and those doing so would make themselves liable to extirpation).

First tithe
The first tithe is giving of one tenth of the remaining agricultural produce (after removing from the produce the standard Terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites. Approximately at the beginning of the Second Temple construction, Ezra and his Beth din implemented its giving to the kohanim.

The Levites, also known as the Tribe of Levi, were descendants of Levi. They were assistants to the Aaronic priests (who were the children of Aaron and, therefore, a subset of the Tribe of Levi) and did not own or inherit a territorial patrimony (Numbers 18:21-28). Their function in society was that of temple functionaries, teachers and trusted civil servants who supervised the weights and scales and witnessed agreements. The goods donated from the other Israeli tribes were their source of sustenance. They received from "all Israel" a tithe of food or livestock for support, and in turn would set aside a tenth portion of that tithe (known as the Terumat hamaaser) for the Aaronic priests.

Second tithe

Unlike other offerings which were restricted to consumption within the tabernacle, the second tithe could be consumed anywhere within the Walls of Jerusalem. On years one, two, four and five of the Shemittah-cycle, God commanded the Children of Israel to take a second tithe that was to be brought to the place of the Temple (Deuteronomy 14:23). The owner of the produce was to separate and bring 1/10 of his finished produce to the Old City of Jerusalem, after separating Terumah and the first tithe, but if the family lived too far from Jerusalem, the tithe could be redeemed upon coins (Deuteronomy 14:24-25). Then, the Bible required the owner of the redeemed coins to spend the tithe "to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish" (Deuteronomy 14:26). Implicit in the commandment was an obligation to spend the coins on items meant for human consumption.

Poor man's tithe
In years three and six of the Shemittah-cycle the Israelites set aside the (second) tithe instead as the poor tithe, and it was given to the strangers, orphans, and widows.

Terumat maaser

Terumat hamaaser was given by the Levite to the Kohen, and was one-tenth of what the Levite had received of the First-tithe. It is alluded to in the Hebrew Bible under the words, "a tithe (tenth) of the tithe" (Numbers 18:26). It, too, was considered Terumah, and was eaten by priests in a state of ritual cleanness. Today, the Terumat maaser is discarded because of general uncleanness, just as the Terumah is now discarded.

Demai

Demai (Mishnaic Hebrew: דמאי) is a Halakhic term meaning "dubious," referring to agricultural produce, the owner of which was not trusted with regard to the correct separation of the tithes assigned to the Levites, although the terumah (the part designated unto priests) was believed to have been separated from such fruits. In such "dubious" cases, all that was necessary was to separate the one-tenth portion due to the priests from the First Tithe given to the Levites, being the 1/100th part of the whole. The Second Tithe is also removed (redeemed) from the fruit in such cases of doubt.

Places that require tithing
The criterion for determining what places require the tithing of produce is any place within the country that was held by the Returnees from the Babylonian exile, as defined in the "Baraita of the Boundaries" of the Land of Israel;although today the land might be held by a different entity, or else worked by non-Jews, produce grown in those places would still require the separation of tithes when they come into the hand of an Israelite or Jew.

Tithes are broken-off during the Sabbatical year (such as when the ground lies fallow), during which year, all fruits, grains and vegetables that are grown of themselves in that year are considered free and ownerless property. For example, whatever lands were held by those returning from the Babylonian exile at the time of Ezra are forbidden to be ploughed and sown by any Jew during the Seventh year, and even if gentiles were to plough such land and sow it, the produce would be forbidden unto Jews to eat. On the other hand, the extension of such lands held by the people of Israel who departed Egypt and who entered the Land of Canaan under their leader, Joshua, are forbidden to be ploughed by any Jew during the Seventh year, but if gentiles had ploughed such land and sown it, the produce is permitted to be eaten by a Jew. If on a regular week-year, fruits and grains and vegetables, if grown by an Israelite in these places, would require tithing.

Cattle tithe
An additional tithe mentioned in the Book of Leviticus (27:32-33) is the cattle tithe, which is to be sacrificed as a korban at the Temple in Jerusalem.

Ma'aser kesafim
Ma'aser kesafim is a tithe that Jews give to charity (tzedakah), something that is done on a voluntary basis, as this practice has not been regulated in Jewish codes of law.




HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THESE...I'M STILL AT A LOSS AS TO WHERE THE CHURCH GOT IT'S DOCTRINE OF OBLIGATORY MONETARY TITHING FROM


IF GOD HAS CLEARLY INSTRUCTED WHAT SHOULD BE TITHED, WHY DISOBEY GOD TO FOLLOW THE DOCTRINES OF GREEDY MEN?

The greatest gift the Creator gave to man is Imagination.

AND FOR THOSE ARGUING ABOUT TITHING BEING VALID IN CHRISTIANITY, PLEASE GO THROUGH THIS VERSE AND SEE A CLEAR DEMARCATION BETWEEN JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY

1599 Geneva Bible

Acts 15

1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question.

3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them.

5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.

6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter.

7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe.

8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us.

9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts.

10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear?


11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.

13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me.

14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name.

15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up.

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things.

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day.

22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren,

23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle,

31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them.

33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles.

34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still.

35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord.

36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark.

38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus.

40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God.

41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches.

felixomor:


Christ is our perfect example

pls why did Christ not reject the expensive alabaster perfume?

Christ is your perfect example yet you do not represent him well in speech or conduct which is equal to hypocrisy !

Carefully read Acts 15 and also read the following verses in context (which I've bolded): 1,5,9,10,20,28,29

The Apostles clearly told the Gentile Christians what is needed for them to be Christians in verse 10,20,28,29. And tithing is not part of the requirements.

Having seen this, please why are the Pastors preaching that non-tithers would be under the devourer's curse for not paying their tithes?

By the way...God Almighty never instructed tithes to be paid using gold, silver or money. The objects to be tithed were clearly stated in Deuteronomy 14 v 23. Who then is the church obeying by paying and receiving tithes monetarily? Do these Pastors now know more than God who gave these instructions?

Tithing has no scriptural backing whatsoever to be mandated on Christians to follow. Anyone who preaches that is preaching a false doctrine like the confusionists in Acts 15

frosbel2:


Christ is your perfect example yet you do not represent him well in speech or conduct which is equal to hypocrisy !

Answer the question,
and Stop gallivanting

felixomor:


Answer the question,
and Stop gallivanting

I have no time for a pretender who thinks religion is about making wealth instead of trying to be a better person and a good neighbour.

You are wasting your time with your fake religion.

frosbel2:


[s]I have no time for a pretender who thinks religion is about making wealth instead of trying to be a better person and a good neighbour.

You are wasting your time with your fake religion[/s].

Keep shut and move on pls.

petra1:


. . .He that driveth private car and criticizeth private jet is a hypocrate .

Well said.

felixomor:


Hahahaha
Good, no police forces us to pay tithe
So also the private jets are also free will gifts to pastors

So no need for all the noise

Jesus didn't ask for costly perfume, but your Pastors ask. Where did Jesus ask for tithe or pay one?

kernel504:


Jesus didn't ask for costly perfume, but your Pastors ask. Where did Jesus ask for tithe or pay one?

Jesus encouraged payment of tithe and the other commandments

Matt 23:23

Read it

felixomor:


Jesus encouraged payment of tithe and the other commandments

Matt 23:23

Read it

Matthew 23:23 King James Version (KJV)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Brother, I hope you don't have comprehension problem, how does this passage encourage tithe? This verse of the scripture is emphasizing on judgement, mercy and faith.

All your concerned about is tithe, this verse is warning you. Preach mercy, love and kindness.

felixomor:


Keep shut and move on pls.

Why should I 'keep shut' in the face of your deception, lying and fakery?

You are a fraud enabler by preaching a lie called the tithe only because your pastors are too lazy to sweat for income, instead they rely on struggling people to make a living.

Shame on you people and your VOODOO pastors.

lonelydora:
If Jesus was here on earth, he would have driven Bentley and have private jet. Jesus used a colt no one has ever driven on...that shows he wants the best for himself.

Many people argue that Abraham paid tithe once to Melchezedek. Remember Abraham paid tithe of 5 nations...Just imagine someone bringing tithe of America, Russia, China, Germany, and France or UK to you, will you allow him pay again? And moreover, he met Melchezedek once in his journey


See my brother, i don't subscribe to tithe cards...reason i don't pay tithe in any church that use cards. i also prefer to pay tithe in any church the pastor uses Bentley and PJ than one the Pastor uses keke or trek.


The earlier we stop using the World's system to apply in the Kingdom's system...the better for us.

One day i will teach Freeze what he does not know in the bible. I too busy to reply him for now.


You don't pay tithe...no wahala, but allow us to continue to pay..as long as it is working for me.

Jesus didn't own that colt, he never owned any even after having apostles, disciples and his "congregation". He had to take permission through his 2 apostles before it was given.
can same be said of our pastors today?

kernel504:



Matthew 23:23 King James Version (KJV)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Brother, I hope you don't have comprehension problem, how does this passage encourage tithe? This verse of the scripture is emphasizing on judgement, mercy and faith.

All your concerned about is tithe, this verse is warning you. Preach mercy, love and kindness.

The bolded part of what u just quoted shows u have comprehension problem
Pls Read and interprete the bolded

savagefinder:


I've stopped arguing over these issues.

Religion is based on belief, so you are free to think as you like and act as you are directed.

Lol you were the one that quote verse just now, i don quote another verse give you na u con dey run. Bro feel free to sin and to be deceived by a sinner, on the last day you'll regret ever being deceived by Freeze.

frosbel2:



[s]Why should I 'keep shut' in the face of your deception, lying and fakery?

You are a fraud enabler by preaching a lie called the tithe only because your pastors are too lazy to sweat for income, instead they rely on struggling people to make a living.

Shame on you people and your VOODOO pastors.
[/s]

Simpleton
Is that all?

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
Give so that there will be food in my house. This was God's commandment to the Israelites knowing the priests of old(levites) had no source of income apart from worshipping God. I can't earn 10m and give out 1m to a church. Instead I will share it amongst motherless babies.

That is the real tithe!!!