Ayomivic:


God alone was God as you said no other God apart from him.

You have lied by saying Jesus was not called God almighty. isaiah 6:9 called him God almighty unelse you dont believe in that verse
the issue of Trinity was not formulated by christians,it was what was revealed by God himself through his prophets, through angel and by Jesus himself .Trinity did not signify three seperate Gods that have power to do things on their owns but three power that esist in one God. God himself who is one, his word and spirit .All these three can not esist without the other.Can God created things without through his word and spirit and the word and spirit can not do anything is God does not use them. They can not procceed without their owner. Can anyone speek when he does not wont to speek?My word belong to me but when i speek people can fault or praise me by my word.My word can only be my word it can not be claim by another person

Jesus is pure word of God. It was God the father word that turned to man Jesus..It procceeds from God. It was through this thesame word God created all he created that was what the John 1.1 was telling us while Isiagq 9:6 made us to understand tha,t that word is not just an ordinary word but God himself..And Jesur was in surport of this when he Said iam in my father and my father in me. I and my father are one

Daniel 7:13 did not say Jesus is son of man but said the person he saw in his vission look like son of man. The question op should ask himself about this werse are why was that person that look like man was given dominon over all things God has made? Why did Acient of day gave power to this son of man look alike to be served by people, nations and languages? Why was he given everlasting kingdom that can not be destroyed? God has exalted his word. That what David said throuph the spirit.

" you have exalted your word above all your name (psalm 138:2)'

Quran also agreed that Jesus was word of God. And the word of God is God.

Wunmifun:
Isaiah 9:6 called Jesus "Mighty God" not "Almighty God"Exodus 6:2,3,secondly Psalms 103:20 said "angels are mighty in power",then John 1:1 said "the word WAS God",then Exodus 7:1 said "God made Moses God" In all of these one can conclude that Jesus is the word of God, he served as God, as wonderful counselor, as prince of peace, as everlasting father but presently Jesus is now serving as a King just like David on the throne that rightly belongs to his father. Why? Because right from the garden of Eden,Adam and Eve rejected God as their ruler, later God chose a nation(Israel) as HIS special possession but they also rejected HIM,then He allowed them to start having human Kings until the arrival of the Messiah (Jesús)Genesis 49:10,Isaiah 10:11, Ezekiel 21:27 Who must later rule for a thousand years(Revelations 20:6) to train obedient mankind and hand them over as loyal subjects to his God and Father again! John 20:17,1Corinthians 15:28,29 So Jesus (the word) WAS God for a period of time just as Moses also served as God for a period(Exodus 7:1) but presently he is no more serving in that position, that is why Apostle John could use a "past tense" saying "and the word (Jesus) WAS God" John 1:1 please take note of "WAS" not "IS" God!

OneJ:

Thank U,Wunmifun. Their brain always shut down whenever they attempt to twist God's word & defend falsehood.

Wunmifun:
Isaiah 9:6 called Jesus "Mighty God" not "Almighty God"Exodus 6:2,3,secondly Psalms 103:20 said "angels are mighty in power",then John 1:1 said "the word WAS God",then Exodus 7:1 said "God made Moses God" In all of these one can conclude that Jesus is the word of God, he served as God, as wonderful counselor, as prince of peace, as everlasting father but presently Jesus is now serving as a King just like David on the throne that rightly belongs to his father. Why? Because right from the garden of Eden,Adam and Eve rejected God as their ruler, later God chose a nation(Israel) as HIS special possession but they also rejected HIM,then He allowed them to start having human Kings until the arrival of the Messiah (Jesús)Genesis 49:10,Isaiah 10:11, Ezekiel 21:27 Who must later rule for a thousand years(Revelations 20:6) to train obedient mankind and hand them over as loyal subjects to his God and Father again! John 20:17,1Corinthians 15:28,29 So Jesus (the word) WAS God for a period of time just as Moses also served as God for a period(Exodus 7:1) but presently he is no more serving in that position, that is why Apostle John could use a "past tense" saying "and the word (Jesus) WAS God" John 1:1 please take note of "WAS" not "IS" God!

tomakint:


God bless you for coming to shed light on this hotly debated topic. You are blessed and I keep wondering why the Nicea Creed Doctrine of Trinity could bring confusion into Christianity. God bless u

Wunmifun:
Justin Martyr could live during that time,he can believe and defend any form of doctrine but that doesn't change the fact that the person speaking in Proverbs 8:22-34 was Jesus and that quoted scripture clearly said God created him period! Colossians 1:15,16 1Corinthians 15:27,28 I think the word FIRST BORN implies a beginning or birth

Jesus is a Mighty God but not the Almighty God. Because Jesus also have an ALMIGHTY GOD ABOVE HIM.

John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"

Everything Jesus is, is given/made by his Father the Almighty God.

Good, at least this is a head start for you..but You still haven't fix the holy spirit in your tri-unity. It looks like you are leaving him out.

So you believe Jesus is a deity, right?

Funny you...
It's like God is dragging position with Jesus! Because the Father Himself is also a mighty God. So, God has to makef Almighty God later.

How many God do you now have?

Besides, I can see you purposely ignored the part where Jesus was called EVERLASTING FATHER, so how many everlasting father do you have?

So His Father also made Him and ETERNAL Being yet ONLY God is ETERNAL. Continue...

The Holy Spirit was called ETERNAL SPIRIT in the Bible if you can't find it in your own Bible tell me, I'll show you.

Maamin:


With this your analogy, we should be having 3 Gods sitting on their respective throne in heaven but it's not so. Only the son is at the right hand of God.

No matter how you twist this, the Trinity doctrine is not biblical. Moreover the bible speaks of the seven spirits of God, I guess they are also a personal being in trinity?

When Triniterians tend to argue this doctrine out, there still seem to be that void space or little mention of the place of the Holy spirit in the triune.

May God open our inner understanding of the scriptures and Gospel is Christ.

Emusan:


You people can go any length to deny and twist anything... smh!

So Justin is not reliable now because he preached and defended the deity of Jesus...

Polycarp and Papias are well known people who have direct contact and first hand information about Jesus Christ from the Apostles...

But here you people just want to twist history to suit you.

If you read that Proverb very well....then you can agree with me that the New Testament authors who said Jesus was the one created everything was wrong.

How?
In Proverb you sited, you'll read throughout as When he(God).... which means it was God who was carrying out the action yet NT made it clear that it was Jesus who did it.

"YOU THINK" that shows you're not sure of what you're saying.

Arondizuogu:


I have already said that God is not an individual but rather an Office, Authority or Power... One Office, The Father being in unity with the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Father shares this office equally with the Son and the HOLY Spirit.....

Maamin:


Due. 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

Or better yet..

"Shema O Yisrael: Yahweh Elohinu, Yahweh ehad"

John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."

tomakint:


I have been sending scholars to this page to come and learn from your fountain of knowledge and great inspiration on how you are exposing the simple and deep things many here need to learn about the Doctrine of Trinity!

Maamin:


The truth shall prevail and reign forever, no matter how long it has been denied. I know it's hard to do away with a doctrine they have held for almost all their life. I pray God opens their inner mind to understand and come to the knowledge of the true gospel of Christ.

The Trinity doctrine has hindered so many from accepting Christ as their saviour.

tomakint:


This is the crux of the matter as this doctrine had brought more confusion into Christendom than enlightenment. To know this, just do a survey on 10 members of the same Church who are workers in that church and ask them to explain their understanding of the term "Trinity" in Christianity, you will be shocked at their responses.

Maamin:


Exactly. And it will finally ends in 'trinity is a mystery'...'you need the holy spirit to understand it'

Fredmatic:
You need the help of the holy ghost to understand the deep things of God, is not sth u go to theological school or mere reading it.

Jesus is God the son not God the father and both are equal in status, but Jesus don't count on it( just like twins childrend that you can hardly differentiate).

Also while on earth he made it clear to us as a father and son relationship, which are clear in all the example he gave and demonstrated

ShadowFighter:


I asked you a question and you are refering me to John 14:28?
John said, the Word (Jesus) was with God (Yaweh) in the beginning and the Word (Jesus) was God (Yaweh). So can you explain this or not?

Primesky:

God is a tripartite being. He is one in three and three in one. To naturally explain it, do this. Take water, put it into three separate containers. Put one in the freezer, boil one portion, and leave the other portion alone. The water in the freezer becomes ice, the water on fire becomes vapor, while you have the remaining one in its natural state as water.

Please, tell me, will I be wrong to say that the water turned ice is the same as the one in the natural state? Will I be wrong to say the water turned vapour is same as the one in the natural state? You see, water existing in three different state, but is one and the same water! However, by existing in three different states, water can perform different functions. But the Supreme among them could arguably be said to be water in the natural state.

God existing as the word (son), enabled Him to come to earth, and still remained in heaven as the Father at the same time. Let's assume it wasn't so, who would have been on the throne when God came down for man?

Another proof is where Jesus answering to a request by Philip to show the disciples the Father said, "... he who have seen me, have seen the Father..." John. 14:9


To not believe the Trinity, is to not believe God.

PrecisionFx:



""baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit""


What u said above doesn't equate the father son n holy spirit, It simply mentions the 3 of them together.

A son is not equal to a Father.

While on earth jesus still prayed to his father in heaven n that clears Everything.

Emusan:


This is the lie that you people always peddle

Justin Martyr is one of the early Christian who died 165AD he defended Jesus Christ divinity always

Emusan:


Laughing hard.....
So, you agree Jesus Christ is divine but not YAHWEH, why is it divine then?

In case you don't know, DIVINITY simply means Deity! So agree Jesus is divine in one breath and deny His deity in another breath shows insincerity of you.

These are the verses that talked about Jesus deity in the scripture.

-He is a Mighty God

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How does that make him Yahweh , the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?

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and EVERLASTING Father...Isaiah 9

-He is ETERNAL life 1 Jn 1:2

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But he has a beginning as "Son "
. admitted ?

How did he became a Son of God .

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These two verses alone are enough evidence that Jesus is God

but not the Father because in human knowledge ONLY God is Everlasting and ETERNAL!

Peacefullove:

Am.interested in that bold, what status ?

tomakint:


he dares not explain what he knows nothing about. They are just being unnecessarily tied to a dogma that the Written Word (The Bible) does not endorse.

Peacefullove:


Primesky, here you go again. I guess Paul of Tarsus doesn't believe in God too. Due to what he wrote

Your bible said for us there is one God ...The Father or the Trinity ?

Primesky:


Peacefullove, there's only one God! I'm not saying there are two or three, that will be blasphemy. What I am saying is that we have one God who manifest himself in three personalities. He has even given us (man) a clue to who He is or How He is, in that He made us in His own image. Please answer the following questions below.

1. How many are you as a person? That I mean your entire personality is made up of what and what?.

2. Before Jesus Christ came to earth who was He and what was His name?.

Let's start from these two. Please don't misunderstand me. But answer these two questions first, then we can discuss. Thank you.

tomakint:


My brother you just took the words out of my heart.....this is exactly what I tell Trinitarians that there is nothing mysterious about that doctrine of Trinity but just confusion. The Bible was explicit on who.God is, Jesus is and The Holy Spirit is. The other day I was discussing with a Trinitarian who so much believes in God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I just asked him to explain why Jesus Christ said in the book of Mark 13: 32 that even him (the Son) that Trinitarians equate to be God does not know the time and hour of visitation of God's judgment on Earth except God Almighty Himself. The guy kept mute!

tomakint:
God is Supreme and He Alone Is One but how come some Christians call Jesus God When the Bible never said so. Below is my take with references from the Holy Scriptures;

I Saw In The Night Visions, And, Behold, One Like The Son Of Man (Jesus Christ) Came With The Clouds Of Heaven, And Came To The Ancient Of Days (God Almighty Father, Yahweh), And They Brought Him Near Before Him. (Daniel 7: 13)
The Revelation Of Jesus Christ, Which God (Yahweh, Jehovah) Gave Unto Him, To Shew Unto His Servants Things Which Must Shortly Come To Pass; And He Sent And Signified It By His Angel Unto His Servant John: (Revelation 1:1)

Jesus Said Unto Them, If God Were Your Father, Ye Would Love Me: For I proceeded Forth And Came From God (Yahweh); Neither Came I Of Myself, But He Sent Me. (John 8: 42) How Come Trinitarians Are Preaching Three Gods With Equal Powers And Strength When The Bible Never Said So. What Do You Believe? Bible Never Calls Jesus As God Almighty But Calls Him Only Begotten Son Of God Who Is Subservient To God Almighty And Was Sent By God To Redeem All Mankind To God Almighty By The Shedding Of His Precious Blood As Instructed By The Ancient Of Days.

Riofidelio:
The Trinity is a borrowed pagan doctrine, it's just like the twin God in Yoruba land,it's two in one God and they're coequal. But in reality Jesus is totally a different person from His father and this He made clear repeatedly, it's trinitarians that are looking for texts in the scriptures to support their pagan beliefs! Matthew 28:19,20|John 1:1,10:30,14:9 none of these verses explicitly stated that Jesus and the father are one single personality. There is one reason Satan is propagating Trinity, it's to stop honesthearted people from exercising faith in Jesus. How do i mean? We are to believe in Jesus as God's son, learn obedience through Him and exert ourselves to imitate Him in thoughts, words and actions.1Peter 2:21 Of course all these will be impossible if we're seeing Him as the Almighty God Himself so there won't be any reason to exert ourselves since we can't be like God 1Corinthians 2:16 That's why different religions are claiming Christians today but having contradicting doctrines and conflicting theories as they can't grasp the significance of the coming of the Messiah which is simply to "imitate Him" so God could receive us as sons too! So the Trinity theory is from the Devil who's mission is to make everything seems complicated before a layman who has no longing for sacred matters. 2Corinthians 4:4

Primesky:


Hmm... I respect your opinion, but you're wrong, absolutely wrong. You're simply confusing the whole thing, to think that we can come to God without Jesus Christ is completely wrong and impossible!. For Jesus Christ also said it himself that no man can come to the Father, but by Him. The whole argument about the trinity of God is born out of ignorance. How can you, a trinity yourself, only on a lower level and capacity, be arguing so blindly?. If you don't understand the things in this world, how can you understand, the things of the spirit?.

Again, let me ask you too, who was Jesus and what was His name before He came to earth?.

Who created the Universe?. Please, kindly answer these questions.

Do you even know that man is a tripartite being, made of body, soul and spirit?. A three in one personality, yet the principal being is the spirit. So man is a trinity as well. Does that make man three different persons?. I don't understand the blind arguments about this obvious truth. Those who are wrong are the ones insisting on being right. This is indeed a season of deception. The bible told us that Jesus is the visible image of the God head. When Philip the Apostle, asked Him to show then the Father, Jesus said to them, whoever have seen Him, have seen the Father, so why are asking me to show you the Father again?. After the birth of Jesus Christ as a man, He totally refused to glorify himself being in the form of man. Jesus Christ cannot do a thing without the Father, why?. They're one, but one is the head. In comparing the body, soul and spirit of man, one is the head, which is the spirit of man, both the body and soul must depend and work with it. But can any body say they're three different entities?. The three of them,make up the man. If you dare take one away from the three, then man is not complete. This is the same thing the devil is trying to do with God. Imagine that trinity is possible with man, then how about the almighty himself who made us that way, in his own image?.

When God wanted to create man, how did He say it?. Didn't He say, let us make man?, was He referring to other different God's?. No!, it was still Himself!. Please, if you don't understand this mystery, it's better you stay away, than to assume. Because you could mislead people unintentionally. Never try to interpret the bible with mere head knowledge, if you do, you would never get it correct. One must depend on the Holy Spirit to guide and interpret it. Not everything that sounds plausible and appear ok is correct.

Riofidelio:
I know it will always be wrong before a trinitarian like you, but carefully read through my comments again you'll see that it's you that's getting it all wrong. I never said we can get to the Almighty without Jesus! In fact nobody can see God without Faith and their was only works before Jesus came, it was Jesus that brought faith, all those who lived before Him appeased God through virtue but after the arrival of the Messiah (Jesus) you must work in harmony with what God's son taught else all your virtue will be equated to filthy rags! That's why Jesus said of all those Born by man none is greater than John the Baptist(because none of them saw the means of salvation which is Jesus) but the lesser one in the kingdom is greater than John(because John did not learn from Jesus neither was he baptized with the holy spirit which only happens after Jesus' ascension to heaven) Matthew 11:11