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Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by TellyB(m): 8:50pm On May 20, 2007
@pilgrim.1,

I'm impressed! smiley
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by Nobody: 5:26pm On Jul 19, 2007
the question is what is trinity? does the word trinity even appear in the bible?

trinity states dat God, his son Jesus christ and the Holy spirit r equal. this however is conflicting with the rest of the bible. Jesus himselve even said the father is greater than he is.

the word trinity does not appear once in the bible. that shld make us question its origin which is not biblical. its of pagan origin.

bottom line God, and Jesus christ are not the same person neither are they equal. and the holy spirit is not even a person, it is Gods active force.
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by Kuns: 7:19pm On Jul 19, 2007
Jesus did not come yesterday and we are all alright, Well, I hope you all are. If Jesus does not come back in two weeks time, I hope you still will All be O.k, but if my SUN of God does not shine (come) at all for two weeks, there will be no hope for none of you, let alone your Jesus.
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by famous1(m): 1:54pm On Jul 24, 2007
Where are you from and what is your mission?
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by pilgrim1(f): 2:06pm On Jul 24, 2007
Kuns:

but if my SUN of God does not shine (come) at all for two weeks, there will be no hope for none of you, let alone your Jesus.

There are some places where the sun does not shine for longer than two weeks - ask the Scadinavians what happens during winter.

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omolongzy:

the word trinity does not appear once in the bible. that shld make us question its origin which is not biblical. its of pagan origin.

The word "rapture" does not appear even once in the Bible - but we believe it is clearly what Scripture teaches about what would happen to believers when Christ returns. The word "substitution" does not appear once in the Bible, but it is used in reference to speaking of Christ's atoning work. If you want to understand any subject of the Bible, open your Bible, then read and study it! Don't just assume that simply because you don't find a particular word therein, it therefore automatically means it is unbiblical and must have been of pagan origin.
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by Kuns: 7:43pm On Jul 24, 2007
Your Son of God has still not come but if my Sun of the Most High does not bring daylight there really will be no hope for anything on the planet.

For without the SUN nothing can exist. The Rays of the SUN (UV, Gamma and X-rays) substain all living organism from the micro bacteria, insect and plant life.

With the SUN all these would cease to exist, this is a scientific fact.
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by jagunlabi(m): 12:50pm On Jul 25, 2007
Jesus is the "SUN" of God.
That is why christians are actually SUN worshippers(without them knowing)
They worship on SUNdays,don't they?
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by Kuns: 1:32pm On Jul 25, 2007
agba ato,

That's right brother Jagunlabi, Satan (Lucifer) was descibed as the bright morning star and we know that the SUN is a star, that why christians worship on Sunday and not the Sabbath day (Friday sunset to Saturday Sunset).

The Jesus story incorporated elements from the tales of other deities recorded in this widespread area, such as many of the following world saviors and "sons of God," most or all of whom predate the Christian myth, and a number of whom were crucified or executed.

Adad of Assyria

  Adonis, Apollo, Heracles ("Hercules"wink and Zeus of Greece (Just like Hercules (the son of the God Zeus) Jesus is suppose to come back and save the whole world)

  Alcides of Thebes
  Attis of Phrygia
  Baal of Phoenicia
  Bali of Afghanistan
  Beddru of Japan
  Buddha of India
  Crite of Chaldea
  Deva Tat of Siam
  Hesus of the Druids (Can you see the similarity within Hesus and Jesus)
  Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired, bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character34
  Indra of Tibet/India
  Jao of Nepal
  Krishna of India ((Can you see the similarity within Krishna, kristos and Christ? These are actually from the
      same derivatives Krishna)
  Mikado of the Sintoos
  Mithra of Persia
  Odin of the Scandinavians
  Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece
  Quetzalcoatl of Mexico
  Salivahana of Bermuda
  Tammuz of Syria (who was, in a typical mythmaking move, later turned into the disciple Thomas35)
  Thor of the Gauls
  Universal Monarch of the Sibyls36
  Wittoba of the Bilingonese
  Xamolxis of Thrace
  Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia
  Zoar of the Bonzes

  Esu Alagbara the divine messenger of transformation, the messenger of Olodumare (Esu is J[b]esu[/b]).
  The dance of those worshipping Esu is the same as those in church when they are possessed with the Holy spirit, worshipping J[b]esu[/b], even though J[b]esu[/b] never told anyone to worship him or make him a diety.

All the above Sons of GOD were molded together to create a mythological character called Jesus named after the Greek God Zeus.

The Message AL Masih,the Messiah and Saviour, Isa Al Masih has been corrupted with lies based on myths, legends and the doctrines of men ,  like Paul, who teach another gospel Galatians 1 : 6.

There are no so enslaved that those who falsely believe they are free.

Don't believe me, check it out for yourselves.

ire.
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by IDINRETE: 7:32pm On Jul 25, 2007
I do not think JC is God

"The fact that Christ could withstand the temptations of the devil was considered as conclusive evidence that he was assisted by some god, or at least by some being superior to man. St. Matthew gives an account of an attempt made by the devil to tempt the supposed son of God; and it has always excited the wonder of Christians that the temptation was so nobly and heroically withstood. The account to which I refer is as follows:

"Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when the tempter came to him, he said: 'If thou be the son of God, command that these stones be made bread.' But he answered, and said: 'It is written: man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city and setteth him upon a pinnacle of the temple and saith unto him: "If  thou be the son of God, cast thyself down; for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee, lest at any time thou shalt dash thy foot against a stone.' Jesus said unto him: 'It is written again, thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.' Again the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them, and saith unto him: 'All these will I give thee if thou wilt fall down and worship me."

The Christians now claim that Jesus was God. If he was God, of course the devil knew that fact, and yet, according to this account, the devil took the omnipotent God and placed him upon a pinnacle of the temple, and endeavored to induce him to dash himself against the earth. Failing in that, he took the creator, owner and governor of the universe up into an exceeding high mountain and offered him this world -- this grain of sand -- if he, the God of all the worlds, would fall down and worship him, a poor devil, without even a tax title to one foot of dirt! Is it possible the devil was such an idiot? Should any great credit be given to this deity fear not being caught with such chaff? Think of it! The devil -- the prince of sharpers -- the king of cunning -- the master of finesse, trying to bribe God with a grain of sand that belonged to God!

Is there in all the religious literature of the world anything more grossly absurd than this?"

ROBERT INGERSOLL.
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by Kuns: 3:21pm On Jul 26, 2007
This may shock or disappoint you, but the very name Jesus is not in the Greek of your bible. In fact, the word you find is Iesous (Mark 1:1); which is a combination of Jah and Zeus put together like the Romans were known to do to make peace with the rapidly grew new sect of Nazarites (Matthew 21:11), a separate Israelite sect (Numbers 6:2).

Also there is no letter "J" in the hebrew language. Jesus is a name found in spain and portugal.

And we know that Josephus Flavius Piso created the new testament story (myth) as a play, which later became today re-legion.
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by pilgrim1(f): 8:02am On Aug 11, 2007
Kuns:

This may shock or disappoint you, but the very name Jesus is not in the Greek of your bible.

Pity. Your disappointment has now become a trademark, because you've failed to see that the NT was translated from GREEK into other languages, including ENGLISH. Christians did not have to wait for many years to experience the power and grace in that name - Jesus Christ. smiley
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by haywhy2k1(m): 11:58am On Aug 14, 2007
Jesus Christ is God Almighty. This truth is hidden yet all over the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
Go through these scriptures prayerfully and God will reveal himself to you for IT is never known by ordinary reading of the Bible but by revelation.

1 Timothy 3:16; Isaiah 9:6; Revelation 1: 1-19 (Note vs 4, 7-8, 18-19);

*Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is the Mighty God, the    Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace. If you don’t fully
   
*Isaiah 43:11           Jehovah said beside Him, there is no Saviour or Redeemer, who is the Saviour or Redeemer?

*Mathew 1:23 Jesus Christ is to be called Emmanuel, which means God-Jehovah-with us.

*St. John 1:1,14 The Word-God, was made flesh and called Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

*St. John 8: 56-59 Jesus Christ the I AM – Same ONE that spoke to Moses in Exodus 3:13.

*Rev. 1:8 Jesus Christ is the ALMIGHTY GOD. How many Almighties can there be? ONLY ONE

*Acts 20:28 God purchased the Church with His Own Blood. When did He shed His Blood for us but on the cross

*St. John 14:19 He that hath SEEN ME hath seen the Father.

These are by no means the only scriptures dealing with this important subject. You can contact me for more information.
microdove2k1@yahoo.com (08034431875)
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by Kuns: 7:12pm On Aug 20, 2007
Mr believe,
Jesus Christ is God Almighty

If Jesus is God Almighty, was he praying too himself?

Matthew 6: 9 "Our Father which art in heaven, "

Maybe Jesus was preying too himself here, emmm?

Is Jesus Emmanuel?

There is a verse in the Book of Isaiah (7:14) which is . . . attributed to the Messiah Jesus, but in reality this quote does not refer to him.

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Emmanuel, the son of the Prophet Isaiah, had a few similarities with the Messiah Jesus, although they were born in two different eras of time. Emmanuel was a “Messiah” in his time because he was sent to deliver the House of David from the Kings of Syria and Israel (Isaiah 7:1-13). The last Israelite Prophet, Jesus was also a Messiah. Emannuel was born of a virgin mother name Majia and he was crucified. The Messiah Jesus was also born of a virgin birth and he was betrayed to be crucified, although he was not.

. . . If you read further you will see that:


Emmanuel Ate butter and honey (Isaiah 7:15), Jesus Ate meat (Luke 24:41-42)
Emmanuel Knew to refuse evil and choose good (Isaiah 7:15), Jesus Was waxed strong, until his mission was shown unto him (Luke 1:80)
Emmanuel Shaved his beard (Isaiah 7:20), Jesus Under Levitical Law was prohibited from shaving his beard (Revelation 1:14)
Emmanuel Lived in an area ruled by kings (Isaiah 7), Jesus Was brought up amongst Pharisees, scribes, and Ceasar, not kings (Matthew 23:1-3)
Emmanuel Was to deliver the House of David, Jesus Was sent unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:22-24, John 16:7)

At this point, you can see the Messiah Jesus is not Emmanuel.

There are those who cite Matthew 1:23 as clear proof that the Messiah Jesus was to be called Emmanuel upon his birth.

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel . . .

First of all, the Messiah Jesus was never called Emmanuel by name by anyone in his time.

If you say that he was called Emmanuel in his lifetime, prove it to me, using scriptural quotes.

The above verse which is being attributed to the Messiah Jesus was written by Matthew in the year 41 AD, hundreds of years after the Book of the Prophet Isaiah which was revealed in the year 732 BCE in Jerusalem.

The truth is the verse in the Book of Matthew was written from the Book of Isaiah chapter 7 verse 14. Since these two writings are hundreds of years apart it was easy and covenient for the verse to be added as part of the Book of Matthew and say it is referring to the Mesiah Jesus. Bear in mind that the books of Matthew, Mark, and Luke are the writings of men, not divine revelations.
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by pilgrim1(f): 8:20pm On Aug 20, 2007
1.
Kuns:

The last Israelite Prophet, Jesus was also a Messiah. Emannuel was born of a virgin mother name Majia and he was crucified.

2.
Kuns:

The Messiah Jesus was also born of a virgin birth and he was betrayed to be crucified, although he was not.

Na by force you go take contradict yourself? grin
Re: Jesus: The Son Of God, Or God? by v24m(f): 4:41pm On Feb 21, 2008
Its easy for people to say like father like son, but it has reached Gods turn and there is doubt of whether his God or just his son, please my people whts d difference here. embarassed Jesus is exactly like God simple,

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