Empiree:
you have been given enough chances to prove yourself but you failed. Anytime you tried to fix it you further messed up. So you can't just say I don't understand



See underlined further proves your polytheism. Husband and wife analogy is rubbish. Husband and wife are two separate people. They shared different functional roles.



who gave Jesus life?. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Did Jesus give birth by himself?. We read in your bible how he was conceived and how he was given birth.



You have ONE president, who is Muhammadu Buhari.

As per the question I asked you , your answer is right at the same time wrong , depending on how we view it.

The same goes with Christianity .

WHY YOU ARE WRONG :
We have :
The President Muhammad Buhari,
Vice President Yemi Osinbajo,
Senate President Bukola Saraki.

They are all presidents but varying authorities and powers.

WHY YOU ARE CORRECT :
Because the other Presidents are subjects to him and are working for the same goals and governance of the same people of Nigeria.
Where there is unity and delegation of authority and power between the president and the vice , whatever the Vice President does is assumed to be done by the President .

If the government of this world can be run in this wise, how much more heavenly kingdom where the relationship between the Father and the Son is stronger with love unbreakable.
Jesus does not his will but the will of his Father in heaven.

In Genesis , God told Jesus "Let US create man in our own image..." . Jesus created everything by the commands of his Father . That was what he demonstrated by creating a bird from a mud and it flew. That means he must have created them all.

John 1:1-4 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

The Jews understood the meaning of oneness , buy this is not understood by the canal man :

John 10:30-34 KJV
I and my Father are one.
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?



Psalm 82:6 KJV
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Empiree:
Okay, so God the father is separate entity. And Jesus Christ is also separate from what you just said. I'm I right?.

In another word Jesus is not God. I'm I right?

I asked a brother of yours about the Sun. He never answered.

I ask you the same questions:
Does the Sun have light? Yes.
Does the Sun have heat? Yes.
Does the Sun have rays that cannot been seen? Yes.

Which is the sun then; light or heat or rays? Or all together at the same time? Is the Sun light, heat and rays at the same time?

When the Sun is giving light does the heat disappear? When the Sun is giving out rays does the light go off or the heat become cold?

If a physical object can be 3 in one why is difficult for you to understand that concept?

plainbibletruth:


I asked a brother of yours about the Sun. He never answered.

I ask you the same questions:
Does the Sun have light? Yes.
Does the Sun have heat? Yes.
Does the Sun have rays that cannot been seen? Yes.

Which is the sun then; light or heat or rays? Or all together at the same time? Is the Sun light, heat and rays at the same time?

When the Sun is giving light does the heat disappear? When the Sun is giving out rays does the light go off or the heat become cold?

If a physical object can be 3 in one why is difficult for you to understand that concept?

Astagfirullah! You are comparing Creator with creation?. Your analogy is getting ridiculous everytime you try to make sense out of it, instead of admitting that you have crooked system of belief.

Now, let's analyze what you just posted. Yes, indeed, sun is a physical object. No doubt about it. And that God Almighty created the sun. Sun has always been physical from the very first day it was created. These sun attributes you mentioned can be felt like heat and ray and can sometimes be seen. Scientists tell us that sun is 4.603 billion years which means it has the beginning.

Now God Almighty was never visible to us and he has no beginning. He existed before Sun and He existed before Jesus. He existed before the existence itself. We learned from the Bible the beginning of Jesus and how he was breastfed, circumcised etc These are not God's attributes. And as of 2018, we were told that Jesus is over 2000 years old. The whole idea of double personalities of Jesus is nothing but conspiracy theory. A verse of the Bible clarifies this conspiracy when it distinctively identifies Jesus and God as separate entities John 20:17



'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"



The verse above describes two distinct entities, Jesus(human). God (Creator and Unseen). Another evidence is Jesus was seen in his lifetime. But God can no be seen at anytime. Bible tells us that John 5:37




And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,


The verse above confirms the fact that Jesus had Superior who sent him, which means Jesus was a messenger. Not only that. The same verse confirms that God can not been seen or heard. But Jesus was seen and his voice was heard as shown in this bible verse Mark 14:6




“Jesus said, Leave her alone,” . “Why are you bothering her?"



Another Bible verse confirms Jesus was son of man Matthew 26:2



After Jesus finished saying all these things, he said to his followers, “You know that the day after tomorrow is Passover. [b]On that day the Son of Man will be handed over to his enemies to be killed on a cross.”[/b]



The above verse testifies to human nature of Jesus christ. All the hearsays written or attributed to him being two personalities of human and God at the same time is something written by unknown authors and third parties. We dealt with authorship of the Bible few years ago. Finally, God is God, the Creator. He existed before all His creations. Even Jesus came pretty much later after Abraham. You are full of fallacies man.

enilove:


As per the question I asked you , your answer is right at the same time wrong , depending on how we view it.

The same goes with Christianity .

WHY YOU ARE WRONG :
We have :
The President Muhammad Buhari,
Vice President Yemi Osinbajo,
Senate President Bukola Saraki.

Shaking my head. I knew it. I decided to say nothing. I knew you were gonna mention senate president. You guys are ridiculous. In a bid to defend your crooked belief you had to reduce your religion to flimsy analysis. What a holy mess! Why didn't you mention governors too?. Aren't they constituted authorities too?. You tried to derived "trinity" from your nonsense ideology that Buhari is president just like god the father. Yemi vice president just like god the son and bukola senate president just like god the holy ghost. You guys are ridiculous, I swear . Now the problem with this is that Buhari, Osinbajo and Bukola have different functional roles they play and international community only recognizes buhari. As for your christianity, you people said God the father God the son and God the holy spirit are co-equals and they formed one entity and are inseparable. But Buhari, Yemi and Bukola are 3 different entities with different functional roles. Try harder again next time sir.

They are all presidents but varying authorities and powers.

Ridiculous. I am so sure your fellow christians would disagree with you especially UNITARIANS. So this is your ridiculous level of intelligence?. Bukola Saraki is not known international as Nigerian representative outside the country.

WHY YOU ARE CORRECT :
Because the other Presidents are subjects to him and are working for the same goals and governance of the same people of Nigeria.
Where there is unity and delegation of authority and power between the president and the vice , whatever the Vice President does is assumed to be done by the President .

Even with what you said here, we can infer that Jesus being "god the son" is of less power to God Himself which means he is still subservient to God. In another word, Jesus is messenger bcus Osinbajo and Saraki are subjected to Buhari's order and authority. See your life?.

If the government of this world can be run in this wise, how much more heavenly kingdom where the relationship between the Father and the Son is stronger with love unbreakable.
Jesus does not his will but the will of his Father in heaven.

In Genesis , God told Jesus "Let US create man in our own image..." . Jesus created everything by the commands of his Father . That was what he demonstrated by creating a bird from a mud and it flew. That means he must have created them all.

John 1:1-4 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

The Jews understood the meaning of oneness , buy this is not understood by the canal man :

John 10:30-34 KJV
I and my Father are one.
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?



Psalm 82:6 KJV
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

No amount of preachings will cure you. In order for you to be cured of this crooked beliefs that you have, your entire Bible needs DELIVERANCE because it is your source of CONFUSION. It is only after then we can work on you. For as long as your bible remains what it is, your confusion will forever lingers till eternal. Christians dont need deliverance. your Bible is. Thank God for our Divine Criterion, The noble Quran(Surah Furqan 1-4)




"Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion upon His Servant that he may be to the worlds a warner - He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it with [precise] determination. But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit and possess not [power to cause] death or life or resurrection. And those who disbelieve say, "This [Qur'an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it." But they have committed an injustice and a lie."

Empiree:
Shaking my head. I knew it. I decided to say nothing. I knew you were gonna mention senate president. You guys are ridiculous. In a bid to defend your crooked belief you had to reduce your religion to flimsy analysis. What a holy mess! Why didn't you mention governors too?. Aren't they constituted authorities too?. You tried to derived "trinity" from your nonsense ideology that Buhari is president just like god the father. Yemi vice president just like god the son and bukola senate president just like god the holy ghost. You guys are ridiculous, I swear . Now the problem with this is that Buhari, Osinbajo and Bukola have different functional roles they play and international community only recognizes buhari. As for your christianity, you people said God the father God the son and God the holy spirit are co-equals and they formed one entity and are inseparable. But Buhari, Yemi and Bukola are 3 different entities with different functional roles. Try harder again next time sir.

committed an injustice and a lie."[/color][/b]

If anyone says that God the Father , Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are co-equal , one entity and inseparable , then the person does not understand his Bible.

Father son relationship is deeper and stronger.

A time is coming when you will believe the Bible and all we have been telling you , only it may be too late and I don't wish that for you.

What is noble about the Quran ? It is full of nonsence , and surely not the word of God , definitely not.

Why must Islam combine hearsays ( hadiths ) with the Quran to have meanings ?

EVIDENCE OF FAKE REVELATIONS IN QURAN :

Book 008, Number 3333:
Sahih Muslim :
Anas b. Malik (Allah be pleased with him) reported: When Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married Zainab bint jahsh, he invited people (to the wedding feast) and they ate food. They then sat there and entered into conversation. He (the Holy Prophet) made a stir as if he was preparing to stand up, but (the persons busy in talking) did not stand up. When he (the Holy Prophet) saw it, he stood up and when he did so, some other persons stood up. 'Asim and Abd al-A'la in their narrations made this addition: Three (persons) sat there, and Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) came there to enter (the apartment) but he found the people sitting there. Then they stood up and went away. He said: Then I came and informed Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) that they had gone away. He (the Holy Prophet) then came there until he entered (the apartment). I also went and was about to enter, when he hung a curtain between me and him (and it was on this occasion that) Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, revealed this verse:" O you who believe, enter not the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to you for a meal, not waiting for its cooking being finished to the (words)" Surely this is serious in the sight of Allah" (xxxiii. 53).

Because of the above incidents , Muhammad went and brought out a revelation:

Allah SWT says:
يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَدْخُلُوا بُيُوتَ النَّبِىِّ إِلَّآ أَنْ يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ إِلٰى طَعَامٍ غَيْرَ نٰظِرِينَ إِنٰىهُ وَلٰكِنْ إِذَا دُعِيتُمْ فَادْخُلُوا فَإِذَا طَعِمْتُمْ فَانْتَشِرُوا وَلَا مُسْتَئْنِسِينَ لِحَدِيثٍ ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ يُؤْذِى النَّبِىَّ فَيَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنْكُمْ ۖ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۚ وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتٰعًا فَسْئَلُوهُنَّ مِنْ وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍ ۚ ذٰلِكُمْ أَطْهَرُ لِقُلُوبِكُمْ وَقُلُوبِهِنَّ ۚ وَمَا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَنْ تُؤْذُوا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَلَآ أَنْ تَنْكِحُوٓا أَزْوٰجَهُ ۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦٓ أَبَدًا ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ عَظِيمًا
"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 53)

WHAT IS NOBLE ABOUT THIS FAKE REVELATION?

AISHAT WAS AWARE OF MUHAMMAD'S GOOGLING TACTICS, SHE SAID :

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet for marriage. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33.51) was revealed, " 'Aisha said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "

You believe the word of someone like Muhammad ? I pity you.
Ask your Creator to reveal to you who the true Prophets are and the right religion.

Empiree:
Astagfirullah! You are comparing Creator with creation?.

Show me where I compared the Creator and creation in that my post. Show me!

Don't ASSUME what I did not state. If you do you will not be following my line of reasoning and miss out altogether.

I ONLY asked you about the Sun.

I was laying a foundation for something but you seem to have gone off at a tangent.

Just answer the simple question then we'll proceed:
Which is the sun then; light or heat or rays? Or all together at the same time? Is the Sun light, heat and rays at the same time?

DID MOHAMED REFLECT ALLAH'S "MERCY" AND "GRACIOUSNESS" ? (6)

It is important to note again that most of what is being shared on this thread are from Islamic sources.

It is also important to bear in mind the qualities we're looking at - MERCY & GRACIOUSNESS.

“He (Abdullah b. Khatal) had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed with him. Another was al-Huwayrith b. Nuqaydh b. Wahb b. Abd b. Qusayy, one of those who used to insult him in Mecca.” (Pages 550-551)

What was the crime committed by these two slave girls for which Mohamed ordered that they be murdered? Their crime was as trivial as singing some songs. Would a merciful man have someone killed for simply singing a song against him? What kind of mercy is this?


Again, does this action portray mercy or graciousness?

How come that Mohamed who is said to be "the mercy to all mankind" NEVER seem to exhibit mercy in all these instances?

Why is it that Allah, said to be the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, never prevail on his prophet to exercise restraints and show mercy?

"Most" means 'greatest in amount or degree'. How come that greatest in amount or degree is NOT reflected in any of these actions either by the prophet or his Allah?

enilove:


If anyone says that God the Father , Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are co-equal , one entity and inseparable , then the person does not understand his Bible.

You need to reform your bible. It needs Deliverance. See that you said one thing. This author said another

You can see the questioner is confused too. This is what I was saying. All this father is the son, son is father, holy spirit is God. Son is God father, father is his God son is all unfounded theory.

plainbibletruth:
DID MOHAMED REFLECT ALLAH'S "MERCY" AND "GRACIOUSNESS" ? (6)

It is important to note again that most of what is being shared on this thread are from Islamic sources.

It is also important to bear in mind the qualities we're looking at - MERCY & GRACIOUSNESS.

“He (Abdullah b. Khatal) had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed with him. Another was al-Huwayrith b. Nuqaydh b. Wahb b. Abd b. Qusayy, one of those who used to insult him in Mecca.” (Pages 550-551)

What was the crime committed by these two slave girls for which Mohamed ordered that they be murdered? Their crime was as trivial as singing some songs. Would a merciful man have someone killed for simply singing a song against him? What kind of mercy is this?

you are still struggling to make sense of your bible which you have been unsuccessful for free days now, and you jumped on prophet Muhammad(s)?. Well, you cited Pages 550-551 but you didn't provide the name of the book. Definitely this is not Quran. So this is not Islamic source as you said because it could be The Book Of Jeremiah pages 550-551

Empiree:
Astagfirullah! You are comparing Creator with creation?

Show me where I compared the Creator and creation in that my post. Show me!

Don't ASSUME what I did not state. If you do you will not be following my line of reasoning and miss out altogether.

I ONLY asked you about the Sun.

I was laying a foundation for something but you seem to have gone off at a tangent.

Just answer the simple question then we'll proceed:
Which is the sun then; light or heat or rays? Or all together at the same time? Is the Sun light, heat and rays at the same time?

@ empiree,
kindly answer his question and let's get over with it......

need to see the analogy that will sprout out of this!!!!!!
@ plainbibletruth,..... keep the good job

I might have a question or rather an expository question for you which is purely dependent on the answers you give

@ empiree

Empiree:
You need to reform your bible. It needs Deliverance. See that you said one thing. This author said another

You can see the questioner is confused too. This is what I was saying. All this father is the son, son is father, holy spirit is God. Son is God father, father is his God son is all unfounded theory.

Why did you post it when you already knew the author was confused ? Did I not tell you that anyone who says the Father is equal in power and authority with the Son and the Holy Spirit does not know their Bible?

Those Bible passages they quoted did not say that God the Father and God the Son and the Holy Spirit are one personality and are equal in rank .

The Bible is not the problem but the readers who lack spiritual understanding.

This what part of what the author quoted .

John 10:33,36 KJV
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and SENT into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Here are my own proofs :

John 14:26 KJV
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will SEND in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 13:16 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is SENT greater than he that sent him.

From the 3 passages , God is the sender of the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit..
Even Jesus told us that God is greater than him in :

John 14:28 KJV
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

God called His children , we , "gods" , does that make us equal to God?
I don't infer, suggest or assume this is likely or should be what it means . Because it can mean many things.

WHATEVER THEY MAY SAY , I KNOW THE BIBLE IS NOT LIKE QURAN AND NEVER CAN IT BE , NO MATTER THE INTERPRETATIONS.

Why was the whole Quran burnt to produce a new set different from the one compiled by Abu bakr ? To hide the truth .

Can you tell us why the Quran was burnt.

jendoslim:
@ empiree,

kindly answer his question and let's get over with it......


need to see the analogy that will sprout out of this!!!!!!

@ plainbibletruth,..... keep the good job

And his question is?

enilove:


Why did you post it when you already knew the author was confused ? Did I not tell you that anyone who says the Father is equal in power and authority with the Son and the Holy Spirit does not know their Bible?

You all confused, period. Now let's see further confusion...

Those Bible passages they quoted did not say that God the Father and God the Son and the Holy Spirit are one personality and are equal in rank .


This what part of what the author quoted .

John 10:33,36 KJV
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and SENT into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Here are my own proofs :

John 14:26 KJV
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will SEND in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 13:16 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is SENT greater than he that sent him.

From the 3 passages , God is the sender of the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit..
Even Jesus told us that God is greater than him in :

John 14:28 KJV
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

These verses you quoted further prove that God is GREATER than Jesus. He SENT Jesus. Which means they are TWO DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS. This CONTRADICTS trinity or analogy of the Sun, Ray, Light that plainbibletruth used. You guys keep going back and forth. You admit that God is greater than Jesus and Holy Spirit. And you are still saying they have equal ranks. Can't you see your confusions?. Now, let me refer you to your analogy you used earlier about Buhari, Osinbajo and Saraki. OBVIOUSLY they have different ranks and Buhari is greater. The three of them are different people. Therefore, GHo is different from Jesus. Jesus is different from holy spirit. I repeat again that your Bible needs to be reformed. You have different people wrote nonsense and compiled them up for you. This is genesis of your confusion.

Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One.



Mark 12:29

"Jesus answered, The most important one, is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one".


Where is nonsense "three in one" comes from?. Bro, it is fraud. You need to use your brain

WHATEVER THEY MAY SAY , I KNOW THE BIBLE IS NOT LIKE QURAN AND NEVER CAN IT BE , NO MATTER THE INTERPRETATIONS.

Why was the whole Quran burnt to produce a new set different from the one compiled by Abu bakr ? To hide the truth .

Can you tell us why the Quran was burnt.

Leave Qur'an alone. Qur'an is clear about Jesus. It say Jesus the son og Mary, the messenger of God is human being born of a woman but Allah sanctified him. Easy right?. You can not go wrong with that. It took you forever to pure identity of Jesus and you are not even successful at doing that.

plainbibletruth:



Show me where I compared the Creator and creation in that my post. Show me!

You made analogy of God with Sun. And you tried to unsuccessfully describe trinity by saying Sun, light and ray are similar example. This is very ridiculous. You need to ask for forgiveness.

Don't ASSUME what I did not state. If you do you will not be following my line of reasoning and miss out altogether.

I ONLY asked you about the Sun.

I was laying a foundation for something but you seem to have gone off at a tangent

No, sir. I knew where you were driving at. I caught you in the act

Just answer the simple question then we'll proceed:
Which is the sun then; light or heat or rays? Or all together at the same time? Is the Sun light, heat and rays at the same time?

And now you gonna tell me you aren't making comparison?. If you wanna hear, yes, light and ray emit from sun. The sun is a major source of ultraviolet rays. So what?. We are dealing with your Bible here. And why did you stop at Sun, Light, Ray to make it sound like example of triune god a k a Trinity?. Very well then. How about heat?. Heat also generates from sun. So it is no longer 3 elements

Now, go ahead and finish your theory

Empiree:
You all confused, period. Now let's see further confusion...

These verses you quoted further prove that God is GREATER than Jesus. He SENT Jesus. Which means they are TWO DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS. This CONTRADICTS trinity or analogy of the Sun, Ray, Light that plainbibletruth used. You guys keep going back and forth. You admit that God is greater than Jesus and Holy Spirit. And you are still saying they have equal ranks. Can't you see your confusions?. Now, let me refer you to your analogy you used earlier about Buhari, Osinbajo and Saraki. OBVIOUSLY they have different ranks and Buhari is greater. The three of them are different people. Therefore, GHo is different from Jesus. Jesus is different from holy spirit. I repeat again that your Bible needs to be reformed. You have different people wrote nonsense and compiled them up for you. This is genesis of your confusion.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One.
Mark 12:29

"Jesus answered, The most important one, is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one".

Where is nonsense "three in one" comes from?. Bro, it is fraud. You need to use your brain

Leave Qur'an alone. Qur'an is clear about Jesus. It say Jesus the son og Mary, the messenger of God is human being born of a woman but Allah sanctified him. Easy right?. You can not go wrong with that. It took you forever to pure identity of Jesus and you are not even successful at doing that.

MUSLIMS ARE KNOWN TO BE HABITUAL LIARS , THAT IS WHY YOU KEEP SAYING ALL THAT.
A LIAR WILL NEVER ADMIT THE TRUTH.

ANOTHER THING IS THAT YOU ARE A SLAVE AND THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE DOES NOT REVEAL ANYTHING TO A SLAVE . BUT TO THE SON , HE REVEALS ALL.

YOU ARE ALSO AN HYPOCRITE JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS :
Matthew 7:5 KJV

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

WHY WAS THE QURAN BURNT?

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 510:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

The reason being that , today Muhammad will say one thing and tomorrow another thing . Which shows he was a liar and a false prophet :

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 514:

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:

I heard Hisham bin Hakim reciting Surat Al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle and I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah's Apostle had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper, and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said, "Who taught you this Sura which I heard you reciting?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle taught it to me." I said, "You have told a lie, for Allah's Apostle has taught it to me in a different way from yours." So I dragged him to Allah's Apostle and said (to Allah's Apostle),

"I heard this person reciting Surat Al-Furqan in a way which you haven't taught me!" On that Allah's Apostle said, "Release him, (O 'Umar!) Recite, O Hisham!" Then he recited in the same way as I heard him reciting. Then Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way," and added, "Recite, O 'Umar!" I recited it as he had taught me. Allah's Apostle then said, "It was revealed in this way. This Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever (way) is easier for you (or read as much of it as may be easy for you)."

From the word "go' , the Quran is false.

Empiree:
You made analogy of God with Sun. And you tried to unsuccessfully describe trinity by saying Sun, light and ray are similar example. This is very ridiculous. You need to ask for forgiveness.

No, sir. I knew where you were driving at. I caught you in the act

Just answer the simple question then we'll proceed:
Which is the sun then; light or heat or rays? Or all together at the same time? Is the Sun light, heat and rays at the same time?[/b]And now you gonna tell me you aren't making comparison?. If you wanna hear, yes, light and ray emit from sun. The sun is a major source of ultraviolet rays. So what?. We are dealing with your Bible here. And why did you stop at Sun, Light, Ray to make it sound like example of triune god a k a Trinity?. Very well then. How about heat?. Heat also generates from sun. So it is no longer 3 elements

Now, go ahead and finish your theory

So, is the sun [b]three things or is the sun one thing?

I need to be sure you can understand physical matters before getting into spiritual issues.

plainbibletruth:



So, is the sun three things or is the sun one thing?

I need to be sure you can understand physical matters before getting into spiritual issues.

When it comes to spirituality, you are behind us in islam. You better explain yourself and your analogy bcus i have no time sniff around. We already knew about christianity. You can not tell us anything new.

If you care to know, yes, sun is physical, light is visible, ray is visible, heat is invisible but can be felt.

enilove:


MUSLIMS ARE KNOWN TO BE HABITUAL LIARS , THAT IS WHY YOU KEEP SAYING ALL THAT.
A LIAR WILL NEVER ADMIT THE TRUTH.

ANOTHER THING IS THAT YOU ARE A SLAVE AND THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE DOES NOT REVEAL ANYTHING TO A SLAVE . BUT TO THE SON , HE REVEALS ALL.

YOU ARE ALSO AN HYPOCRITE JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS :
Matthew 7:5 KJV

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

WHY WAS THE QURAN BURNT?

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 510:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

The reason being that , today Muhammad will say one thing and tomorrow another thing . Which shows he was a liar and a false prophet :

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 514:

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:

I heard Hisham bin Hakim reciting Surat Al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle and I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah's Apostle had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper, and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said, "Who taught you this Sura which I heard you reciting?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle taught it to me." I said, "You have told a lie, for Allah's Apostle has taught it to me in a different way from yours." So I dragged him to Allah's Apostle and said (to Allah's Apostle),

"I heard this person reciting Surat Al-Furqan in a way which you haven't taught me!" On that Allah's Apostle said, "Release him, (O 'Umar!) Recite, O Hisham!" Then he recited in the same way as I heard him reciting. Then Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way," and added, "Recite, O 'Umar!" I recited it as he had taught me. Allah's Apostle then said, "It was revealed in this way. This Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever (way) is easier for you (or read as much of it as may be easy for you)."

From the word "go' , the Quran is false.

This is what happens when you can no longer defend your crooked beliefs. What has everything you posted has to do with this topic?. If you don't know your bible very well, how you want me to even listen to your posts on islam?.

Let just say you are out of defensive idea of your religion. While i respect your right to practice your religion, it is crystal clear that your belief is not the way of God. It is rather an innovated religion by crooks. Everytime you came up with silly defensive analogies, you end up putting your tail btw your legs and looking like Judas Iscariot

Empiree:


If you care to know, yes, sun is physical, light is visible, ray is visible, heat is invisible but can be felt.

So, a single physical phenomenon can exhibit different DISTINCT properties but all unite as ONE.

Now, it should be easy for you to make your application from there.

plainbibletruth:


So, a single physical phenomenon can exhibit different DISTINCT properties but all unite as ONE.

Now, it should be easy for you to make your application from there.

You didnt disappoint me. I knew this all along. You are a kafir. Where did Jesus make this claim?. Even if we are to accept that Jesus is part of God, therefore it makes him God, then, all human beings are also part of God and we are all Gods becuase we are all created from spirit of God. Qur'an says



“He(God) Who has created all things in the best possible way. He(God) commenced the creation of man from clay; then produced his seed from an extract of base fluid; then formed him and breathed His(God) Soul into him and gave you hearing, sight and hearts. What little thanks you show!” (Surat as-Sajdah, 7-9)



See how easy Quran explains it?. See that verse of Quran knocks off your warped belief system. All of us humans are borne through mere breath of Creator, Allah. So how does that make Jesus God?. The basic difference between we ordinary humans and Jesus and all other prophets and messengers is because they received revelation and God Almighty constantly touched them with pure soul. But we ordinary human's soul may be corrupted at some point.

You need to renounce christianity. You have ran out of idea man. Christianity is not from God and Jesus NEVER preached christianity. You hear me?.

Empiree:
This is what happens when you can no longer defend your crooked beliefs. What has everything you posted has to do with this topic?. If you don't know your bible very well, how you want me to even listen to your posts on islam?.

Let just say you are out of defensive idea of your religion. While i respect your right to practice your religion, it is crystal clear that your belief is not the way of God. It is rather an innovated religion by crooks. Everytime you came up with silly defensive analogies, you end up putting your tail btw your legs and looking like Judas Iscariot

It is these your posts that God will use to judge you when the time comes , and then you will know which religion is the crooked one.

How can you say you want to remove something from the eye of someone when you are blind ?
First thing is to cry to God to cure you of your blindness .

It is said , do unto others as you want them to do unto you.
You can't defend your religion and you expect us to continue educating you about ours. It is not done that way.

We can post from now till next year , you will not change , because you are not truthful .
Besides , I don't do one way argument.

At least we have defended ours for some time now , you too should be able to defend some or all the things the OP posted against your religion. If you can't that means he is right and there is no need prove anything to you either.

I WANT TO ASK YOU AGAIN , WHY WAS ALL THE FIRST SET OF QURAN DESTROYED ?

WHY DID MUHAMMAD KISS A BLACK STONE WHICH HIS IDOLATROUS ANCESTORS USED TO WORSHIP?

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

WHY WAS HE ENJOYING A SATANIC SONG IF HE WAS NOT OF SATAN BUT OF GOD?

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72:
Bukhari :
Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."

Islam beliefs and practices are paganism.
If one does not belong to idol , why kissing the idol?

2 Corinthians 6:14-16 KJV
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
[15] And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

enilove:


It is these your posts that God will use to judge you when the time comes , and then you will know which religion is the crooked one.

How can you say you want to remove something from the eye of someone when you are blind ?
First thing is to cry to God to cure you of your blindness .

It is said , do unto others as you want them to do unto you.
You can't defend your religion and you expect us to continue educating you about ours. It is not done that way.
We can post from now till next year , you will not change , because you are not truthful .
Besides , I don't do one way argument.

At least we have defended ours for some time now , you too should be able to defend some or all the things the OP posted against your religion. If you can't that means he is right and there is no need prove anything to you either.

We can now draw a curtain over this back n forth about your christianity bcus it is clear you are on the wrong path. You have been given enough chances to defend and simplify your religion. Instead you made it more complicated. So enough said. Fact is, if you can not explain your religion to appeal to a potential convert, how can you and op claim to know islam better?. This is why i have avoided talking about islam here anytime you tried to get me into it. However, let me see what you have to say below see if you worth responding to

I WANT TO ASK YOU AGAIN , WHY WAS ALL THE FIRST SET OF QURAN DESTROYED ?

WHY DID MUHAMMAD KISS A BLACK STONE WHICH HIS IDOLATROUS ANCESTORS USED TO WORSHIP?

The Black stone in itself is not significant to our system of belief. And the hadith you posted below already answered your question

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

WHY WAS HE ENJOYING A SATANIC SONG IF HE WAS NOT OF SATAN BUT OF GOD?

The question is, why or what made you think it is a "satanic song"?. In the hadith you posted to back your claim, there is no mentioned of "satanic song". It is simply the custom of the people to sing and dance and our prophet muhammad didnt object to it.

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72:
Bukhari :
Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."

Where is "satanic song" up there in the narration?

Islam beliefs and practices are paganism.
If one does not belong to idol , why kissing the idol?

The black stone came down with Adam. It is not idol. The Black Stone was sent down by Allah to this earth from Paradise.



It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The Black Stone came down from Paradise.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; al-Nasaa’i, 2935. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi).



The Black Stone will come forth on the Day of Resurrection and will testify in favour of those who touched it in truth.



It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: “By Allaah, Allaah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944



Touching, kissing or pointing to the Black Stone – this is the first thing to be done when starting Tawaaf, whether it is for Hajj or ‘Umrah, or voluntary Tawaaf.


It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) that when the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came to Makkah, he came to the Black Stone and touched it, then he walked to the right of it and ran three times and walked four times [around the Ka’bah]. (narrated by Muslim, 1218)



The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kissed the Black Stone, and his ummah followed his lead in doing so.


It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1520; Muslim, 1720)


So you can see there is no specific attachment to the stone to the point of making it object of worship.

Empiree:
We can now

The Black stone in itself is not significant to our system of belief. And the hadith you posted below already answered your question

The black stone came down with Adam. It is not idol. The Black Stone was sent down by Allah to this earth from Paradise.

The Black Stone will come forth on the Day of Resurrection and will testify in favour of those who touched it in truth.

So you can see there is no specific attachment to the stone to the point of making it object of worship.

You are confused . You think the black stone has no significance to your belief ?
How come it will GROW MOUTH and testistify in favour of those who touched it ?
Why did Muhammad kissed it and those on hajj have to do the same?
No specific attachment but this stone is attached or embedded in southeast corner of kabaah for all Muslims to bow down to, 5 times a day.

I will say it again , Islam is pagan religion in disguise. It was conceived in idolatry by the facts that many rituals performed are connected with the pagan worship that existed b4 Islam.

1...The kabaah shrine which contains the black stone was where the pagans were using for their pagan idol worship .The Muslims are still using it to worship their god as well. Why ?

2...The pagans used to walk 7 times around the kabaah , Muslims on hajj also circumambulate the kabaah 7 times.

3...The local Arab pagans used to kiss and worship the black stone , and Muslims kiss the black stone as well , claiming it is a divine meteorite that fell at Adams feet.

4... Stone throw was a wide spread custom among the pagan Arabs . This is also part of ritual when on hajj for Muslims , claiming Abraham threw stones at the devil.

5... The pagans used to tawaf between two idols called ISAF and Nails , Muslims alsoTawf between Safa and Mawah with the claim that Hagar did something like that.

6.. The idolaters call on the name Allah during these periods.
The Muslims also call on Allah .

Why all these resemblance ? Why were those people called Idol worshipers , since Muslims do what they used to do.

The worshipping of the falling stone had been existing Thousands of years b4 Islam came and adopted it.
The idol worshipers of Ephesus used to worship goddess Diana and the black stone :

Acts 19:35 KJV
And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

7 ... What about the star and the crescent symbol placed on the topmost part of every mosque? Is that not idolatry as well? It is also known that some countries and idol worshipers worship the moon and the stars.

God warned the Israelite not to do this in :

Deuteronomy 4:19 KJV
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Muhammad was an idol worshiper and all the Muslim unconsciously. That was why he was enjoying a satanic song, which you tried to defend with your Tagiyyah tactics.

This is not about argument , it is about where you intend to spend your eternity , heaven or hell .

enilove:


You are confused . You think the black stone has no significance to your belief ?
How come it will GROW MOUTH and testistify in favour of those who touched it ?
Why did Muhammad kissed it and those on hajj have to do the same?
No specific attachment but this stone is attached or embedded in southeast corner of kabaah for all Muslims to bow down to, 5 times a day.

I will say it again , Islam is pagan religion in disguise. It was conceived in idolatry by the facts that many rituals performed are connected with the pagan worship that existed b4 Islam.

1...The kabaah shrine which contains the black stone was where the pagans were using for their pagan idol worship .The Muslims are still using it to worship their god as well. Why ?

2...The pagans used to walk 7 times around the kabaah , Muslims on hajj also circumambulate the kabaah 7 times.

3...The local Arab pagans used to kiss and worship the black stone , and Muslims kiss the black stone as well , claiming it is a divine meteorite that fell at Adams feet.

4... Stone throw was a wide spread custom among the pagan Arabs . This is also part of ritual when on hajj for Muslims , claiming Abraham threw stones at the devil.

5... The pagans used to tawaf between two idols called ISAF and Nails , Muslims alsoTawf between Safa and Mawah with the claim that Hagar did something like that.

6.. The idolaters call on the name Allah during these periods.
The Muslims also call on Allah .

Why all these resemblance ? Why were those people called Idol worshipers , since Muslims do what they used to do.

The worshipping of the falling stone had been existing Thousands of years b4 Islam came and adopted it.
The idol worshipers of Ephesus used to worship goddess Diana and the black stone :

Acts 19:35 KJV
And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

7 ... What about the star and the crescent symbol placed on the topmost part of every mosque? Is that not idolatry as well? It is also known that some countries and idol worshipers worship the moon and the stars.

God warned the Israelite not to do this in :

Deuteronomy 4:19 KJV
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Muhammad was an idol worshiper and all the Muslim unconsciously. That was why he was enjoying a satanic song, which you tried to defend with your Tagiyyah tactics.

This is not about argument , it is about where you intend to spend your eternity , heaven or hell .

You can say whatever you want. You are frustrated because I trashed your belief system. The first Hadith you quoted pretty much answered your concern. Take it or leave it. Yeah, pagan worshipped there at the kaaba because they changed or were misguided after Abraham had gone. So prophet Muhammad (saw) came to rectify their mistakes. They were worshiping objects but today we worship Lord of kaaba. Kaaba and Black stone themselves are material objects. In this sense they can neither benefit nor harm us. We worship Lord of kaaba not kaaba itself made of bricks. Just like you go to church and worship there. Do you worship the building made of bricks and wood?. I don't think so.

Empiree:
You can say whatever you want. You are frustrated because I trashed your belief system. The first Hadith you quoted pretty much answered your concern. Take it or leave it. Yeah, pagan worshipped there at the kaaba because they changed or were misguided after Abraham had gone. So prophet Muhammad (saw) came to rectify their mistakes. They were worshiping objects but today we worship Lord of kaaba. Kaaba and Black stone themselves are material objects. In this sense they can neither benefit nor harm us. We worship Lord of kaaba not kaaba itself made of bricks. Just like you go to church and worship there. Do you worship the building made of bricks and wood?. I don't think so.

But you bow before and kiss the black stone decorated like a vagina.

Isn't that idol worshiping?

alBHAGDADI:
But you bow before and kiss the black stone decorated like a vagina.

Isn't that idol worshiping?

I know you on this platform long enough. I know you have mind of your own. And I know that if I should start with you now you end up running out of this thread. You have never contributed on any religious discourse without posting very lengthy articles from internet that you don't read in the first place. You never came up with your own intellectual submissions.

Anyways, if you read previous posts you should know that your post was already answered.

Empiree:
I know you on this platform long though. I know you have mind of your own. And I know that if I should start with you now you end up running out of this thread. You have never contributed on any religious discourse without posting very lengthy articles from internet that you don't read in the first place. You never came up with your own intellectual submissions.

Anyways, if you read previous posts you should know that your post was already answered.

You have me mixed with someone else.

Just respond to my post or accept defeat.

alBHAGDADI:
You have me mixed with someone else.

Just respond to my post or accept defeat.

shaking my head. I could see your moniker clearly and you think I got you wrong for someone else?. You are a joke.

Your question was answered above. Do yourself a favor by reading the thread

Empiree:
You can say whatever you want. You are frustrated because I trashed your belief system. The first Hadith you quoted pretty much answered your concern. Take it or leave it. Yeah, pagan worshipped there at the kaaba because they changed or were misguided after Abraham had gone. So prophet Muhammad (saw) came to rectify their mistakes. They were worshiping objects but today we worship Lord of kaaba. Kaaba and Black stone themselves are material objects. In this sense they can neither benefit nor harm us. We worship Lord of kaaba not kaaba itself made of bricks. Just like you go to church and worship there. Do you worship the building made of bricks and wood?. I don't think so.

Stop stammering.
All the Mosques in the world are facing the kabaah and the black stone, bowing down to the god Allah the husband of Allat living in the kabaah. Which is pure idolatry.
Idol worshipers always face their idols and bow to it. They don't back it.
Christians don't face any church in Israel or elsewhere . God is a Spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. You can face any direction to pray to God.

Islam claimed Abraham built the kabaah . Which was a lie formulated by Muhammad .

THIS IS THE PROOF :

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 585:
Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Dhar:

I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was first built on the surface of the earth?" He said, "Al-Masjid-ul-,Haram (in Mecca)." I said, "Which was built next?" He replied "The mosque of Al-Aqsa ( in Jerusalem) ." I said, "What was the period of construction between the two?" He said, "Forty years." He added, "Wherever (you may be, and) the prayer time becomes due, perform the prayer there, for the best thing is to do so (i.e. to offer the prayers in time)."

The only temple of God in Jerusalem as at that time was Solomon's temple which was built by king Solomon .

Let us assume Abraham was the builder of the kabaah . What was the year gap between Abraham and Solomon ?
Matthew 1:2-3,16-17 KJV

Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; [3] And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; [16] And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

[17] So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Verse 17 , Abraham to King David , the father of Solomon 14 generations.
A generation is about 50 years and above , which gives nothing less than 700 years gap between Abraham and Solomon.

BUT THE HADITH SAYS FORTY YEARS . ANOTHER BLUNDER AND EVIDENCE OF FALSEHOOD IN ISLAM.

Thank God the Jews had been keeping these records Thousands of years b4 Islam came to be.

The truth is , Muhammad was a fake prophets . No wonder they took the biblical stories in the Quran to link it with the God of the Bible.
Original products are always first b4 thieves start producing the fakes, like :
Volume 1, Book 11, Number 578:
Bukhari :
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people suggested the use of a bell like the Christians, others proposed a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but 'Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Apostle ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers.

Why suggesting , was allah not able to guide them again? No wonder Muhammad was formerly facing Israel and had to change to kabbah.

I hope empiree can tell us who the First Muslim was .
Was is it Adam , Abraham , some Egyptians , Moses or Muhammad?
Why was the first set of Quran burnt?

enilove:
Christians don't face any church in Israel or elsewhere . God is a Spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. You can face any direction to pray to God.

I am so glad you said this. This is why there will forever be different doctrines and different versions in christianity.

All the Mosques in the world are facing the kabaah and the black stone,

This is called TAWHEED i:e UNIFICATION OF WORSHIP. It is a bond. Our worship is the same unlike yours.

Idol worshipers always face their idols and bow to it. They don't back it.

But the catholics face and bow to statue of Mary(as)

Islam claimed Abraham built the kabaah . Which was a lie formulated by Muhammad .

THIS IS THE PROOF :

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 585:
Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Dhar:

I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was first built on the surface of the earth?" He said, "Al-Masjid-ul-,Haram (in Mecca)." I said, "Which was built next?" He replied "The mosque of Al-Aqsa ( in Jerusalem) ." I said, "What was the period of construction between the two?" He said, "Forty years." He added, "Wherever (you may be, and) the prayer time becomes due, perform the prayer there, for the best thing is to do so (i.e. to offer the prayers in time)."

The only temple of God in Jerusalem as at that time was Solomon's temple which was built by king Solomon.

Let us assume Abraham was the builder of the kabaah . What was the year gap between Abraham and Solomon ?
Matthew 1:2-3,16-17 KJV

Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; [3] And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; [16] And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

[17] So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Verse 17 , Abraham to King David , the father of Solomon 14 generations.
A generation is about 50 years and above , which gives nothing less than 700 years gap between Abraham and Solomon.

BUT THE HADITH SAYS FORTY YEARS . ANOTHER BLUNDER AND EVIDENCE OF FALSEHOOD IN ISLAM.

Thank God the Jews had been keeping these records Thousands of years b4 Islam came to be.

The truth is , Muhammad was a fake prophets . No wonder they took the biblical stories in the Quran to link it with the God of the Bible.
Original products are always first b4 thieves start producing the fakes, like :
Volume 1, Book 11, Number 578:
Bukhari :
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people suggested the use of a bell like the Christians, others proposed a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but 'Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Apostle ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers.

Stop wasting your precious time on what you know not. There are difference of opinion but the hadith is valid in essence. See what you said at highlighted blue?. If Solomon was the first to build the Temple, how about his father David?. Temple existed before both of them. The word "build"doesn't necessarily means original foundation because King David built the same Temp too. And David came pretty much before Solomon. This alone refutes you.

Now, scholars have different views regarding who built Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa. It is said that it was Prophet Ya`qub (Jacob) ibn Is-haq (Isaac) ibn Ibrahim (Abraham). This view is close to the truth. It is also said that it was Sulayman (Solomon). The soundest opinion is that Sulayman renewed it but did not establish it. Because there were more than forty years between Sulayman and Ibrahim (Abraham) just as Al-Hafizh ibn Kathir (may Allah be merciful to him) mentioned.


Muslim related in his Sahih (authentic) Book of Hadith on the authority of Abu Dhar (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: I said: O Messenger of Allah, which mosque was laid first on earth? He said: Al-Masjid Al-Haram. I said: Then what was next? He said: Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa I said: How long was between them? He said: Forty years. Wheresoever the time comes for Salah, perform it for it is a Masjid.


So the Masjid Al Haram was built by Ibrahim (peace be upon) and Masjid Al Aqsa was built by Yaqub (peace be upon) -who was grandson of Abraham- according to sound opinion and between the two was forty years. This is what hadith you quoted is saying. But you take face value of the hadith. It is just saying "you are son of Adam". Does that mean Adam was your biological father?.

No, because there are generations after generations btw you and Adam(as).

No wonder Muhammad was formerly facing Israel and had to change to kabbah.

Well, the facing of Aqsa Mosque (in Jerusalem) by prophet muhammad(saw) and early muslims was by order of God and in respect for the Jews. And the turning away or change of direction from Jerusalem to Makkah was due to disbelief and wickedness of the Jews. Please go and read reason for the changing of Qibla from Jerusalem to Makkah.

I hope empiree can tell us who the First Muslim was .
Was is it Adam , Abraham , some Egyptians , Moses or Muhammad?
Why was the first set of Quran burnt?

Simple.

The first Muslim was Adam(as) because the was the first creation who submitted to Allah. Abraham made religion of monotheism permanent was the reason he is called "father of faith". So he was called the first muslim at that time. Moses was the first muslim amongst his people. Prophet Muhammad was the first muslim amongst his people.


This last post of your is probably the most easiest questions of all since your started your contribution on this thread