Empiree:
Listen, im not gonna engage you in any complex arguments to try to convince you Islamically when I know for a fact that you aren't here to reason with anything I have to say. I'm just gonna use similar comparison like I did with usermsne. Now read on below.You see, Western State is earthly reflection of Islamic system. That's, anytime you try to criticize Islam for something I will almost always give you similarities from our contemporary Western world that you love.

Now with respect to the above, that shahada is prerequisite for enjoying peace and harmony with Muslims, it is exact thing with (slight difference) in US for instance. If you leave in US and you speak ill of the country in a manner that doesn't constitute free speech, and you are not citizen, you put yourself at high risk of not only being denied citizenship or your citizenship application rejected but being deported as well.

For you to have guarantee protection of your life and property, if you wanna be citizen, you must make declaration of to be law abiding, to not work against the country with foreign govt, to not spy and not jeopardize the country, and to pay your tax. Sounds familiar, right?.

Therefore, if you violate any of these, you risk being called to testify before the Congress under 5th Amendment to the Constitution in which if you are found guilty or refuse to testify, you go to jail for a long time or get killed if you have indeed committed crimes mentioned above. If you are not citizen, you risk jail and deportation. Sounds familiar with what you criticize Islam for?.

I'm telling you they will put your name on hit list and kill you wherever you may be around the world. Does it sounds familiar with what you accused Islam of?. Do the math yourself.

Their system is modern reflection of the Hadith you criticized. Now the Hadith you cited is under military classification not a general rule. So Shahada (just like declaration of your allegiance to US), and zakat(just like tax in the US), are similar systems from different sides. You will be jailed if you don't file or pay your tax. Which means you violate your allegiance.

So help yourself, buddy.

Islam, unlike the US, is not a country or a race but a belief system, a religion. The shahada you gave was given on the premise that you have believed in the oneness of God and the prophethood of Mohammed, a believe which is quite subjective. A Christian or a Jew, sharing the same country with a Muslim will never say the shahada. No any Muslim country I know make the taking of the shahada a prerequisite for granting citizenship to foreigners. It is like asking a prospective US citizen to say 'the lord's prayer' before he becomes a US citizen. You always make a wrong moral equivalence bro!

You said the shahada is a prerequisite for enjoying peace and harmony with Muslims; I think we are in agreement here. It means if I don't say the shahada in a Muslim-majority country or community, I won't enjoy peace and harmony. You just echoed my point and validated sahih Muslim hadith number 33. Please note that the American constitution, unlike the sharia, is not discriminatory; it does not divide the citizens between the kafir and the ummah. The same rule apply to all because the US constitution takes all citizens as equal; no dhimmi, no ummah. The US system is over 1000% better than allahh's sharia system.

You made mention of zakat, please note that zakat is for only the Muslim ummah. The Christians and the Jews are to pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued, under an ideal Islamic system (Quran 9:29, also read the exegesis of this ayah in the tafsir by ibn kathir)

true2god:
Islam, unlike the US, is not a country or a race but a belief system, a religion. The shahada you gave was given on the premise that you have believed in the oneness of God and the prophethood of Mohammed, a believe which is quite subjective. A Christian or a Jew, sharing the same country with a Muslim will never say the shahada. No any Muslim country I know make the taking of the shahada a prerequisite for granting citizenship to foreigners. It is like asking a prospective US citizen to say 'the lord's prayer' before he becomes a US citizen. You always make a wrong moral equivalence bro!

You said the shahada is a prerequisite for enjoying peace and harmony with Muslims; I think we are in agreement here. It means if I don't say the shahada in a Muslim-majority country or community, I won't enjoy peace and harmony. You just echoed my point and validated sahih Muslim hadith number 33. Please note that the American constitution, unlike the sharia, is not discriminatory; it does not divide the citizens between the kafir and the ummah. The same rule apply to all because the US constitution takes all citizens as equal; no dhimmi, no ummah. The US system is over 1000% better than allahh's sharia system.

You made mention of zakat, please note that zakat is for only the Muslim ummah. The Christians and the Jews are to pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued, under an ideal Islamic system (Quran 9:29, also read the exegesis of this ayah in the tafsir by ibn kathir)

bro, you started it and i played you along. I have given you bilateral examples. Take it or leave it.. Islam doesn't force you as a non Muslim to take shahada before you enjoy everything Muslims enjoy. Your are the one that brought issue of shahada as precondition for peace and enyoment. I will continue to play along with your head.

Empiree:
bro, you started it and i played you along. I have given you bilateral examples. Take it or leave it.. Islam doesn't force you as a non Muslim to take shahada before you enjoy everything Muslims enjoy. Your are the one that brought issue of shahada as precondition for peace and enyoment. I will continue to play along with your head.

Don't put words into mouth; I can't reminder telling you that shahada is a prerequisite for peace and harmony, you said so.

Do you now repudiate the fact that saying the shahada is the condition for peace to reign between the Muslims and the kafirs? Do you know Islam better than your prophet and his sahabas?

true2god:
Don't put words into mouth; I can't reminder telling you that shahada is a prerequisite for peace and harmony, you said so.

Do you now repudiate the fact that saying the shahada is the condition for peace to reign between the Muslims and the kafirs? Do you know Islam better than your prophet and his sahabas?

Look, you quoted Hadith and you want me to explain to you. Even though I knew before hand that you were not interested in my explanation, this was the reason I drew parallel example from contemporary world system of govt. But instead you came up with their system is not about religion. But you forgot that they separated religion from State but they maintained their religious status which means they are still influenced by their Christian religion one way or the other. I simply used similarity btw their system and Islamic system.

I sensed you would reject my analysis was the reason I said that the hadith you cited was in the context of military classification not a general rule. Please go back and re-read if you missed it. The Hadith in that context is mostly referring to Quraishi people who were fighting the prophet (saw) and the Muslims. I explained this to username before. Here I found this short video to buttress my position.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coo6Po_7STk&t=323s

But if you insist that the Hadith is present continuous tense, then, the Hadith is perfectly in harmony with this Bible verse. They have the exact same undertones


Jesus said in Luke 19:27


"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."



Just has the Hadith you quoted is literal, this Bible verse is literal. There is nothing metaphorical about it at all. It is direct because you believe that Jesus is coming back to take the believers (Christians) to heaven, and fight and kill non-believers (Muslims).


But if you reject this explaination, I will ask you if Luke 19:27 is past tense, present tense or future tense?


What is Jesus coming back to do?. Is he going to love his enemies and take them too to paradise or fight and kill them for not believing in him as Son of God according to your belief?.

OLUWABIG:


@ plainbibletruth you don't even need to struggle with them we all know that Islam is a failed Catholic experiment

Thanks.

Empiree:


Jesus said in Luke 19:27

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."

Just has the Hadith you quoted is literal, this Bible verse is literal. There is nothing metaphorical about it at all. It is direct because you believe that Jesus is coming back to take the believers (Christians) to heaven, and fight and kill non-believers (Muslims).

But if you reject this explaination, I will ask you if Luke 19:27 is past tense, present tense or future tense?

What is Jesus coming back to do?. Is he going to love his enemies and take them too to paradise or fight and kill them for not believing in him as Son of God according to your belief?.

It's EITHER that you're being outrightly deceitful OR you simply need basic tutorials in English language.

That portion of Luke 19 started from verse 11.
There it is stated CLEARLY that Jesus was speaking in parable.
"... he (JESUS ) went on to tell them a parable. ..."

What is literal here?

If can't simply explain your koran or hadith to enquirers doesn't that show you guys that you have a problem?

You danced round the shahada and now this.
In the shahada Moslems have turned Mohamed into an associate or partner with Allah. This violates several portions of the koran.

The koran asks Moslems to invoke NO ONE along with Allah.

The koran tells us that there were other prophets and messengers of Allah. Why this special identification of ONLY Mohamed with Allah all the time?

Islam is really the religion of submitting to Allah AND Mohamed and majority of Moslems are actually Mohamedans, i.e. those who worship Mohamed, whether they admit it or not.

So can it be said that Islam, as it is today, is strictly a monotheistic religion?

plainbibletruth:


It's EITHER that you're being outrightly deceitful OR you simply need basic tutorials in English language.

That portion of Luke 19 started from verse 11.
There it is stated CLEARLY that Jesus was speaking in parable.
"... he (JESUS ) went on to tell them a parable. ..."

What is literal here?

If can't simply explain your koran or hadith to enquirers doesn't that show you guys that you have a problem?

Am i surprised?. Every verse that you guys are not comfortable with is always "parable". I wonder why "son of God" is not parable?. Why Jesus is not parable?. Hell and Heaven, i wonder why they arent parables?. Every good word and good things are literal except when it is nasty and violent by nature, it becomes "parable". You are fantastic. So why not apply this same parable to the hadith quoted by your brother?. Why are you being deceitful?.

You danced round the shahada and now this.
In the shahada Moslems have turned Mohamed into an associate or partner with Allah. This violates several portions of the koran.

The koran asks Moslems to invoke NO ONE along with Allah.

The koran tells us that there were other prophets and messengers of Allah. Why this special identification of ONLY Mohamed with Allah all the time?

Islam is really the religion of submitting to Allah AND Mohamed and majority of Moslems are actually Mohamedans, i.e. those who worship Mohamed, whether they admit it or not.

So can it be said that Islam, as it is today, is strictly a monotheistic religion?

Dont even go there...You are having billions of problems in your bible that you failed to convince me and you wanna talk abnout Quran?. What do you understand about "partner with Allah"?. In Islamic terminology it is called 'shirk'. So how is mentioning muhammad's name next to Allah constitute "partner" with Allah?.

Let's go to Quran and let me quote at least 3 verses where Allah mentioned His name and Muhammad simultaneously



"O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger..." 4:59



"Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger..." Q9:24



"You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger,.." Q58:22


See these verses of Quran, God mentioned His Name with His messanger (Muhammad). So this is setting up partner with God?. You definitely don't know what you are saying.

Empiree:
Am i surprised?. Every verse that you guys are not comfortable with is always "parable". I wonder why "son of God" is not parable?. Why Jesus is not parable?. Hell and Heaven, i wonder why they arent parables?. Every good word and good things are literal except when it is nasty and violent by nature, it becomes "parable". You are fantastic. So why not apply this same parable to the hadith quoted by your brother?. Why are you being deceitful?.

You like analogies.
Now, if a writer tells you he is writing a 'fiction' would you be right in arguing that you want to see the material as a 'non-fiction'?
If the Bible says something is a 'parable' why would you want to insist that you want to see it as literal?

Show us where a parable has been CLEARLY stated as being a parable in the koran and we have taken it as literal;then we would admit we were wrong but wanting to compare different issues and claim that they are on the same level just doesn't make for honest scholarship.

Empiree:

Dont even go there...You are having billions of problems in your bible that you failed to convince me and you wanna talk abnout Quran?. What do you understand about "partner with Allah"?. In Islamic terminology it is called 'shirk'. So how is mentioning muhammad's name next to Allah constitute "partner" with Allah?.

Let's go to Quran and let me quote at least 3 verses where Allah mentioned His name and Muhammad simultaneously

"O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger..." 4:59

"Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger..." Q9:24

"You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger,.." Q58:22

See these verses of Quran, God mentioned His Name with His messanger (Muhammad). So this is setting up partner with God?. You definitely don't know what you are saying.

So, do you agree that your ALLEGIANCE as a moslem is BOTH to Allah and Mohamed?

plainbibletruth:

You like analogies.
Now, if a writer tells you he is writing a 'fiction' would you be right in arguing that you want to see the material as a 'non-fiction'?
If the Bible says something is a 'parable' why would you want to insist that you want to see it as literal?

Show us where a parable has been CLEARLY stated as being a parable in the koran and we have taken it as literal;then we would admit we were wrong but wanting to compare different issues and claim that they are on the same level just doesn't make for honest scholarship.

So in short, the entire Bible is parable, right?. If your answer is 'yes', then Jesus in the bible doesnt exist. He's just a fiction. Satan is fiction. Dream and vision are fictions. All prophets mentioned in your bible are fictional characters. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all fictional characters who wrote fairy tales. Therefore Bible is fictional book and it is not real. All the so called prophecies are mere fiction. You are very ridiculous.

I can see why many christians turned atheists and called bible fictional Book. Henceforth, I will not take you serious anymore and everything you have been saying in this thread, including God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit bcus they are all fictions. His so called crucifixion and resurrection are fictions too.

The Bible is not real. So why are you wasting ,my time since?

So, do you agree that your ALLEGIANCE as a moslem is BOTH to Allah and Mohamed?

Yes, allegiance of muslims to God and His messanger is affirmation of faith. Worship is when you claim Jesus is God which muslims dont do with Muhammad(p). Your attempt to try to corrupt Shahada in your head is very very idiotic

Empiree:
So in short, the entire Bible is parable, right?. If your answer is 'yes', then Jesus in the bible doesnt exist. He's just a fiction. Satan is fiction. Dream and vision are fictions. All prophets mentioned in your bible are fictional characters. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all fictional characters who wrote fairy tales. Therefore Bible is fictional book and it is not real. All the so called prophecies are mere fiction. You are very ridiculous.

I can see why many christians turned atheists and called bible fictional Book. Henceforth, I will not take you serious anymore and everything you have been saying in this thread, including God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit bcus they are all fictions. His so called crucifixion and resurrection are fictions too.

The Bible is not real. So why are you wasting ,my time since?

No! My answer is 'No!' The Bible is not all parables. It is clear where it is in parable and clear where it is not.
So,my answer to your question is not 'yes'. Now, where does that leave the rest of your post?

Empiree:

Yes, allegiance of muslims to God and His messanger is affirmation of faith. Worship is when you claim Jesus is God which muslims dont do with Muhammad(p). Your attempt to try to corrupt Shahada in your head is very very idiotic

Thank you for admitting that your devotion is not ONLY to one being BUT two.

plainbibletruth:

No! My answer is 'No!' The Bible is not all parables. It is clear where it is in parable and clear where it is not.
So,my answer to your question is not 'yes'. Now, where does that leave the rest of your post?

So when Jesus return in the Endtime, he is coming to take up his "ayanfe" i:e his loving believers and then fight and kills disobedient disbelievers(muslims)?. This is literal or parable?.

Just to clarify, since you believe muslims don't believe in Jesus as Lord and savior and son of God, that means muslims are non-believers. So what is Jesus gonna do to us when he returns?. To fight and kills us right?. Is that parable or literal?. I ask bcus many christians have said for many yrs that armageddon will come and swept away disbelievers. Is this literal or parable?. If Jesus will cause this great war and affliction to us, we will consider that act of violence against innocent muslim men, women and children. Is this fiction or real?

Thank you for admitting that your devotion is not ONLY to one being BUT two.

I rather ignore you on islamic topic bcus we can dwell on this till eternal. And i dont really blame you bcus you cant differentiate btw God and Jesus. How you can't differentiate btw believe in Allah and His messanger and worship shows your low IQ

How is ALLEGIANCE suddenly means devoted worship is beyond me. By definition of allegiance it means loyalty or commitment. And his companion pledge allegiance to him. Does that mean they worshipped him?.

true2god:
Islam, unlike the US, is not a country or a race but a belief system, a religion. The shahada you gave was given on the premise that you have believed in the oneness of God and the prophethood of Mohammed, a believe which is quite subjective. A Christian or a Jew, sharing the same country with a Muslim will never say the shahada. No any Muslim country I know make the taking of the shahada a prerequisite for granting citizenship to foreigners. It is like asking a prospective US citizen to say 'the lord's prayer' before he becomes a US citizen. You always make a wrong moral equivalence bro!

You said the shahada is a prerequisite for enjoying peace and harmony with Muslims; I think we are in agreement here. It means if I don't say the shahada in a Muslim-majority country or community, I won't enjoy peace and harmony. You just echoed my point and validated sahih Muslim hadith number 33. Please note that the American constitution, unlike the sharia, is not discriminatory; it does not divide the citizens between the kafir and the ummah. The same rule apply to all because the US constitution takes all citizens as equal; no dhimmi, no ummah. The US system is over 1000% better than allahh's sharia system.

You made mention of zakat, please note that zakat is for only the Muslim ummah. The Christians and the Jews are to pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued, under an ideal Islamic system (Quran 9:29, also read the exegesis of this ayah in the tafsir by ibn kathir)

Bros u are wondeful, your scholarly is legendary !!!
I've been following this debate with keen interest and I must confess u and enilove with the other guy plainbibletruth ( I can't remember his moniker precisely ) u've done a very great job here.
thanks so much and God bless all of u !

I'm also a former Muslim, pls I will be very happy if can mail me some ebooks that can be of help to me in dealing with these our brothers, cause I know I av a lot to do that area.

Thanks !!!

Empiree:
So when Jesus return in the Endtime, he is coming to take up his "ayanfe" i:e his loving believers and then fight and kills disobedient disbelievers(muslims)?. This is literal or parable?.

Just to clarify, since you believe muslims don't believe in Jesus as Lord and savior and son of God, that means muslims are non-believers. So what is Jesus gonna do to us when he returns?. To fight and kills us right?. Is that parable or literal?. I ask bcus many christians have said for many yrs that armageddon will come and swept away disbelievers. Is this literal or parable?. If Jesus will cause this great war and affliction to us, we will consider that act of violence against innocent muslim men, women and children. Is this fiction or real?

Empiree, don't get ahead of yourself. Let's put things in perspective. You quoted a single verse in the Bible, and attempted to give it your label without reference to its context.
Nothing in that verse says that Christians today are to take up arms against non-Christians. The same cannot be said about the koranic verses advocating violence against non-Moslems.

Empiree:

I rather ignore you on islamic topic bcus we can dwell on this till eternal. And i dont really blame you bcus you cant differentiate btw God and Jesus. How you can't differentiate btw believe in Allah and His messanger and worship shows your low IQ

How is ALLEGIANCE suddenly means devoted worship is beyond me. By definition of allegiance it means loyalty or commitment. And his companion pledge allegiance to him. Does that mean they worshipped him?.

The statement "Action speaks louder than words" must be familiar to you. Even a low IQ person can see actions that 'say' things that are opposite of what words claim.

A lie told often enough becomes seen as the truth.

plainbibletruth:

Emp.iree, don't get ahead of yourself. Let's put things in perspective. You quoted a single verse in the Bible, and attempted to give it your label without reference to its context.
Nothing in that verse says that Christians today are to take up arms against non-Christians. The same cannot be said about the koranic verses advocating violence against non-Moslems.

Thank God for speaking the truth indirectly. You are saying that Christians of yesterday committed violence and aggression against non-christians. Thanks again.

To proceed, Bible today is no longer speaking to average Christians to carry out violence. Your leadership are doing that for you. They wear suit today and destroy Muslim countries. You can Google their religious affliation one by one. You will see their profiles clearly written CHRISTIAN

plainbibletruth:


It's EITHER that you're being outrightly deceitful OR you simply need basic tutorials in English language.

That portion of Luke 19 started from verse 11.
There it is stated CLEARLY that Jesus was speaking in parable.
"... he (JESUS ) went on to tell them a parable. ..."

What is literal here?

If can't simply explain your koran or hadith to enquirers doesn't that show you guys that you have a problem?

You danced round the shahada and now this.
In the shahada Moslems have turned Mohamed into an associate or partner with Allah. This violates several portions of the koran.

The koran asks Moslems to invoke NO ONE along with Allah.

The koran tells us that there were other prophets and messengers of Allah. Why this special identification of ONLY Mohamed with Allah all the time?

Islam is really the religion of submitting to Allah AND Mohamed and majority of Moslems are actually Mohamedans, i.e. those who worship Mohamed, whether they admit it or not.

So can it be said that Islam, as it is today, is strictly a monotheistic religion?

@plainbibletruth like my former Muslim friend will say " there basic problem is just how to comprehend and interpret statements made by the Quran" hope I didn't abuse anybody oo

Samunique:
Bros u are wondeful, your scholarly is legendary !!!
I've been following this debate with keen interest and I must confess u and enilove with the other guy plainbibletruth ( I can't remember his moniker precisely ) u've done a very great job here.
thanks so much and God bless all of u !

I'm also a former Muslim, pls I will be very happy if can mail me some ebooks that can be of help to me in dealing with these our brothers, cause I know I av a lot to do that area.

Thanks !!!

I don't have them now but let me give some examples :
1.who is this Allah by G.J.O moshay
2.the anatomy of Quran by the same author
3.the Quran and science by Christian prince

true2god:
I just like you Muslims because you will never fail to disappoint. I will quote the ayah you quoted one-by-one to show you how intellectually corrupt you are:

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
(21:25) And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, “There is no deity except Me, so worship Me.”

The above is how sahih international translation puts it so simple. The ayah (though I don't even belief in the nonsense Quran) simply quoted an allahh telling Mohammed that we already send messengers before you with the same message that 'there is no any deity excerpt me (allahh). So what's so difficult for you to understand in this short sentence? How does this relate to the shahada?

The second ayah you quoted (Quran 48:29):

Sahih International : Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.

The above ayah asked Muslims to be wicked to unbelivers but merciful to themselves. I didn't see any shahada there unless you want to tell that anytime I see the words 'Mohammed', 'allahh' and 'messenger' in the same sentence I must accept it as the shahada.

The shahada that every Muslim proclaim is: 'there is no god except allahh and Mohammed is his messenger'. I was expecting you to show me where we can find this exact statement in the Quran as an article of faith but you were wobbling here and there and throwing verses. Just show me the ayah that said I must recite the shahada (or where the shahada is expressly written) and I will become a Muslim.

Asalama lekum!

thanks bro you hit the nail on the head straight off

Samunique:
Bros u are wondeful, your scholarly is legendary !!!
I've been following this debate with keen interest and I must confess u and enilove with the other guy plainbibletruth ( I can't remember his moniker precisely ) u've done a very great job here.
thanks so much and God bless all of u !

I'm also a former Muslim, pls I will be very happy if can mail me some ebooks that can be of help to me in dealing with these our brothers, cause I know I av a lot to do that area.

Thanks !!!

These Nairaland threads can be of help too:
1. Who Is This Allah? Pdf Book By G J O Moshay
https://www.nairaland.com/3636456/allah-pdf-book-g-j#53825740

2.Who Is This Allah (chapter 1) By G.J.O MOSHAY
https://www.nairaland.com/2947455/allah-chapter-1-g.j.o-moshay#43120276

Samunique:
Bros u are wondeful, your scholarly is legendary !!!
I've been following this debate with keen interest and I must confess u and enilove with the other guy plainbibletruth ( I can't remember his moniker precisely ) u've done a very great job here.
thanks so much and God bless all of u !

I'm also a former Muslim, pls I will be very happy if can mail me some ebooks that can be of help to me in dealing with these our brothers, cause I know I av a lot to do that area.

Thanks !!!

Thanks bro! My post is to stimulate Muslims to think about their religion. It is not about 'Empire' but other Muslims that mind have an open mind to alternative view, contrary to the traditional Islamic narrative. Many Muslims I debated have no feet to stand on their religion and some have left Islam.

Empire is only acting 'Superman' and refused to abandon the traditional Islamic narrative. Whenever he is faced with indisputable fact, he got confused and at the same time become more unyielding. It is all about his personal ego and the protection of Islam and Mohammed.

Thanks once more bro!

Samunique:
Bros u are wondeful, your scholarly is legendary !!!
I've been following this debate with keen interest and I must confess u and enilove with the other guy plainbibletruth ( I can't remember his moniker precisely ) u've done a very great job here.
thanks so much and God bless all of u !

I'm also a former Muslim, pls I will be very happy if can mail me some ebooks that can be of help to me in dealing with these our brothers, cause I know I av a lot to do that area.

Thanks !!!

stop lying. You weren't muslim

true2god:
Thanks bro! My post is to stimulate Muslims to think about their religion. It is not about 'Empire' but other Muslims that mind have an open mind to alternative view, contrary to the traditional Islamic narrative. Many Muslims I debated have no feet to stand on their religion and some have left Islam.

Empire is only acting 'Superman' and refused to abandon the traditional Islamic narrative. Whenever he is faced with indisputable fact, he got confused and at the same time become more unyielding. It is all about his personal ego and the protection of Islam and Mohammed.

Thanks once more bro!

you are a laughing stock right now. You have unfinished Christian doctrines to resolve and you are talking about Islam?. You are a joke

Empiree:
stop lying. You weren't muslim

U make me laugh !
Honestly !

true2god:
Thanks bro! My post is to stimulate Muslims to think about their religion. It is not about 'Empire' but other Muslims that mind have an open mind to alternative view, contrary to the traditional Islamic narrative. Many Muslims I debated have no feet to stand on their religion and some have left Islam.

Empire is only acting 'Superman' and refused to abandon the traditional Islamic narrative. Whenever he is faced with indisputable fact, he got confused and at the same time become more unyielding. It is all about his personal ego and the protection of Islam and Mohammed.

Thanks once more bro!

uwc sir ¡

Continue the good work.

plainbibletruth:


These Nairaland threads can be of help too:
1. Who Is This Allah? Pdf Book By G J O Moshay
https://www.nairaland.com/3636456/allah-pdf-book-g-j#53825740

2.Who Is This Allah (chapter 1) By G.J.O MOSHAY
https://www.nairaland.com/2947455/allah-chapter-1-g.j.o-moshay#43120276

Thanks a lot !

OLUWABIG:




I don't have them now but let me give some examples : 1.who is this Allah by G.J.O moshay 2.the anatomy of Quran by the same author 3.the Quran and science by Christian prince

Thanks a lot !

DID MOHAMED REFLECT ALLAH'S "MERCY" AND "GRACIOUSNESS" ? (7)

If a man claims to be one thing but his actions REPEATEDLY show him to be the opposite, can that man's words be taken at their face value or the man regarded as genuine? That is the decision each person has to make in the light of all these revelations about the life of Mohamed.

“Abu Afak was one of B. Amr b. Auf of the B. Ubayda clan. He showed his disaffection when the apostle killed al-Harith b. Suwayd b. Samit… The apostle said, ‘Who will deal with this rascal for me?’ whereupon Salim b. Umayr, brother of B. Amr b. Auf one of the ‘weepers’, went forth and killed him…When Abu Afak had been killed she (Asma b. Marwan) displayed disaffection… When the apostle heard what she had said he said, ‘Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?’ ‘Umayr b. Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he said, ‘You have helped God and His apostle, O ‘Umayr!’ When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, ‘Two goats won’t butt their heads about her,’ so Umayr went back to his people.” (Pages 675-676)

Here are yet two more innocent people who were ordered to be killed by Mohamed. What was their crime? They wrote poetry against him. Yes, that’s right. They dared to write poetry against him! Any wonder then about the reactions of Moslems when cartoonists who draw Mohamed are threatened with death.

Clearly, do these actions portray mercy or graciousness?

Did Mohamed who is said to be "the mercy to all mankind" exhibit mercy in all these instances?

Why is it that Allah, said to be the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, never prevailed on his prophet to exercise restraints and show mercy?

Baseless hearsays

plainbibletruth:

“Abu Afak was one of B. Amr b. Auf of the B. Ubayda clan. He showed his disaffection when the apostle killed al-Harith b. Suwayd b. Samit… The apostle said, ‘Who will deal with this rascal for me?’ whereupon Salim b. Umayr, brother of B. Amr b. Auf one of the ‘weepers’, went forth and killed him…When Abu Afak had been killed she (Asma b. Marwan) displayed disaffection… When the apostle heard what she had said he said, ‘Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?’ ‘Umayr b. Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he said, ‘You have helped God and His apostle, O ‘Umayr!’ When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, ‘Two goats won’t butt their heads about her,’ so Umayr went back to his people.” (Pages 675-676)

Hopefully I will be back here and post screenshots about the baseless and unfounded cook up stories.

We know damn people love forging stories. Crap!


We believe in Allah and His messanger (Muhammad)

La ilaha ila Allah, Muhammad rosullah

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Empiree:
Baseless hearsays This fake reports are just like bible where you find too much "then say", "they said". You can only trash stories like these from evil Christian missionaries and Evangelists like Nabeel Quraishi who is currently facing serious punishment in his grave right now. He's not finding it funny down there he already know Whats up. He has become "adorun mooto"

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honesty, you lack maturity !

Are you his maker/ judge ?

Or you're the chief prosecutor of the Almighty God

Samunique:
honesty, you lack maturity !

Are you his maker/ judge ?

Or you're the chief prosecutor of the Almighty God

you should keep shut already. We know what he said when he was alive. So get lost