Empiree:
I am so glad you said this. This is why there will forever be different doctrines and different versions in christianity.

This is called TAWHEED i:e UNIFICATION OF WORSHIP. It is a bond. Our worship is the same unlike yours.

This last post of your is probably the most easiest questions of all since your started your contribution on this thread

1)
TAWHEED \ UNIFICATION .
You are right , it is unification . But the question is , unification with who ? With the devil or with God? That is the question a heaven seeker should ask himself.

You all face a cubicle black clothed house with a black stone entrenched in the wall , and bow down to it in unification .
That is , unity in idolatry.

2)
David did not build house for God . He started it but God told him to stop , because he had shed so many blood.

3)
Abraham did not build any kabaah neither did he journeyed to Saudi Arabia. If he was the builder and the instruction was from God , he would have built such a house in Israel. Unless you people will lie that after building it , he did not serve God anymore.

4)
You are also correct by saying Catholics are idol worshipers too. They created images of Mary , Jesus , saint ... which is contrary to the commandments of God in :

Exodus 20:2-4 KJV
I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. [3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me. [4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

And you can see the similarities btw the Muslims and the catholics . They both make use of prayer beads. That is , Rosery and Tasbih.
Why using or copying the idol worshippers? It is simple , to make them worship Satan ignorantly and take them to hell.

These prayer beads are used by various religious traditions such as Hinduism , Buddhism , catholics and Muslims . At least , 2 of them are known to be idol worshipers who make use of graven images as well.
What relationship does light has with darkness?

Why using prayer beads ? It is to MARK REPETITIONS OF PRAYERS . But Jesus warned us concerning this in :

Matthew 6:7 KJV
But when ye pray, use not VAIN REPETITIONS , as the heathen do : for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

5)
To the case of the first Muslim. What is wrong is wrong.
Adam , Abraham , Moses were never Muslims. Islam started with Muhammad. Non of them carried out the 5 pillars of faith of Islam . Only a spiritual illiterate will fall for that.

God could easily have given those ways of worship to Moses with instructions to perform ablution, Tawaf Mawa and Sarah , stone the devil etc

My advice to you is to look critically into this religion of Islam b4 it is too late for you.

Start by looking into the deeds of Muhammad and pray to your creator for guidance.

You have been avoiding these questions :
WHY BURNING OF THE FIRST EVER SET OF QURAN?
WHAT IS THE USE OF THE STAR AND CRESCENT IMAGE ON THE MOSQUES ?

enilove:


1)
TAWHEED \ UNIFICATION .
You are right , it is unification . But the question is , unification with who ? With the devil or with God? That is the question a heaven seeker should ask himself.

Simple

enilove:

You all face a cubicle black clothed house with a black stone entrenched in the wall , and bow down to it in unification .
That is , unity in idolatry.

How is Kaaba new to you. Here it is in your bible with exception of dialects. Both Bible and Quran recognize Abraham presence at Kaaba(Baca) in Mecca

enilove:



2)
David did not build house for God . He started it but God told him to stop , because he had shed so many blood.

Whether or not, King David had a kingdom before his son King Solomon

Empiree:
How is Kaaba new to you. Here it is in your bible with exception of dialects. Both Bible and Quran recognize Abraham presence at Kaaba(Baca) in Mecca

This is the Bible you referenced :

Psalm 84:6-7 KJV
Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
[7] They go from strength to strength, every one of them in ZION appeareth before God.

Why is Islam always looking for biblical references to fit into its idolatry and lies ?

Is Baca not glaringly different from mecca ?
Is Mecca not a desert place? Can't you see where it is written "the rain ALSO FILLED THE POOLS. Are there pools in Mecca.
Finally , did the verse 7 not states where the journey lead them to? When did Zion , the city of David become Mecca?

VALLEY OF BACA IS DIFFERENT FROM VALLEY IN MECCA.

Baca was actually a valley near Jerusalem , and its name means the place of weeping.

enilove:


This is the Bible you referenced :

Psalm 84:6-7 KJV
Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
[7] They go from strength to strength, every one of them in ZION appeareth before God.

Similar verse in the Qur'an pointing to same Baca. Quran speaks in the local dialect of the people at that time. You can see it reflects in this verse of Quran


The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings: (Quran 2:96)

Why is Islam always looking for biblical references

Because their prophets were the same. But you twisted their history

Is Baca not glaringly different from mecca ?

Mecca is the city. Baca is Bakka and kaaba is the house of the Lord in Baca mentioned in Psalms 84 v 6

Is Mecca not a desert place? Can't you see where it is written "the rain ALSO FILLED THE POOLS. Are there pools in Mecca.

Yes, that was desert. But there was a spring a that gushed forth in the desert when Hajar was doing tawaf in and around Baca in Mecca and she was thirsty. The pool that you referred to is a well known Well of ZamZam water till today.

Finally , did the verse 7 not states where the journey lead them to? When did Zion , the city of David become Mecca?

VALLEY OF BACA IS DIFFERENT FROM VALLEY IN MECCA.

Baca was actually a valley near Jerusalem , and its name means the place of weeping.

what's the name of the stream or valley in Palestine/Israel region called today?. I am sure it is not Baca but most likely Sea Of Galilee or other one. And does valley of Baca still exist today in Jerusalem?. If it does, is it officially recognized by the name Baca?.

Keep deceivng yourself

Empiree:
Similar verse in the Qur'an pointing to same Baca. Quran speaks in the local dialect of the people at that time. You can see it reflects in this verse if Quran


The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings: (Quran 2:96)




Because their prophets were the same. But you twisted their history




Mecca is the city. Baca is Bakka and kaaba is the house of the Lord in Baca mentioned in Psalms 84 v 6



Yes, that was desert. But there was a spring a that gushed forth in the desert when Hajar was doing tawaf in around Baca in Mecca and thirsty. The pool that you referred to is a well known Well of ZamZam water till today.



what's the name of the stream or valley in Palestine/Israel region called today?. I am sure it is not Baca but most likely Sea Of Galilee or other one. And does valley of Baca still exist today in Jerusalem?. If it does, is it officially recognized by the name Baca?.

Keep deceivng yourself

Is Zion in Mecca?
How does Beca relates to Mecca ?

Maybe you did not know . Islam was derived from the English words sentence " It is a lie " That is , Its a lie , Islie or Islam.

From the beginning God told Abraham to send Ishmael away from Isaac the promised child.
If God had plan of salvation for him he wouldn't have told Abraham to send him away.

Genesis 17:7-9 KJV
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
[8] And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
[9] And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

Genesis 17:15-21 KJV
And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be . [16] And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. [17] Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear? [18] And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! [19] And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. [20] And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. [21] But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
Genesis 21:10-14 KJV
Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac. [11] And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son. [12] And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. [13] And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed. [14] And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.


ABRAHAN , ISSAC AND JACOB DIED IN CANAAN ( ISRAEL ) AND WERE BURIED THERE.

WHY WAS ISHMAEL SENT AWAY ?

enilove:


Is Zion in Mecca?
How does Beca relates to Mecca ?

Maybe you did not know . Islam was derived from the English words sentence " It is a lie " That is , Its a lie , Islie or Islam.

We muslims have no problem believing previous scriptures in their original form. It is not that difficult to reject nonsense about zion story. The same people who lied about their prophets, curse their prophets and you want me to believe in their stories?. The same Bible that speaks evil of great prophets of God as drunkard and incest? smh

ABRAHAN , ISSAC AND JACOB DIED IN CANAAN ( ISRAEL ) AND WERE BURIED THERE.

WHY WAS ISHMAEL SENT AWAY ?

Because of animosity towards Hajar by Isaac mother, Sarah

Empiree:
We muslims have no problem believing previous scriptures in their original form. It is not that difficult to reject nonsense about zion story. The same people who lied about their prophets, curse their prophets and you want me to believe in their stories?. The same Bible that speaks evil of great prophets of God as drunkard and incest? smh

Because of animosity towards Hajar by Isaac mother, Sarah

You should shake you head vigorously so that the satanic viels covering your face can fall off.

When this Yoruba comedian artist , GBENGA ADEBOYE DIED on 6th October 2002 , he said when he got to heaven he was sent back to the earth to come and bring his Bible and his hymn book.
For a spiritually intelligent person who knew him , one would know the reason why he was sent back. He had a belief that the Christians , Muslims and pagans are all worshiping the same God , which is evident in most of his records .
Why was he not asked to bring along with him a Quran ?
This was to enlighten the wise that Christianity is the way .

You can call the Bible nonsence and useless , it does not matter , the truth will be revealed to everyone on the day of judgements.

Something the Bible says is gradually coming to pass in this our generation but most people wouldn't believe it.

Revelation 13:15-17 KJV
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. [16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The best firm of biometric for human identification are the retina and finger prints.

The world will soon face out the use of ATM and carrying of cash. And a computer chip containing peoples data will be implanted either in the person's right hand or in his forehead.This will contain the mark of the devil and anyone who takes it can never enter heaven , since they have become Satan's property.

Obama also passed a free health care bill into law in 2016 . To benefit from it , a small rice like chips has to be implanted in their hands.

What the Bible says is unfolding gradually in form of technologies.

My second point regarding Abraham is , for Abraham to have sent his first born Ishmael away from him according to God's instructions , it means God has no plan to save the world through Ishmael or his descendants.

God divided the Red Sea for the Israelites to escape to show a sign to the world that He is God of Abraham , Isaac and Israel.

Genesis 15:13-15 KJV
And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; [14] And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. [15] And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

It was the sraelites that were in a Egypt for four hundred years and God did those miracles for world to know that the God of the Israelites is God the Creator of the Red Sea,

enilove:


You should shake you head vigorously so that the satanic viels covering your face can fall off.

When this Yoruba comedian artist , GBENGA ADEBOYE DIED on 6th October 2002 , he said when he got to heaven he was sent back to the earth to come and bring his Bible and his hymn book.
For a spiritually intelligent person who knew him , one would know the reason why he was sent back. He had a belief that the Christians , Muslims and pagans are all worshiping the same God , which is evident in most of his records .
Why was he not asked to bring along with him a Quran ?
This was to enlighten the wise that Christianity is the way .

Since when GBENGA ADEBOYE becomes criteria to determine the truth?. You started again with load of crap. You are getting worse every minute you reply my posts.

You can call the Bible nonsence and useless , it does not matter , the truth will be revealed to everyone on the day of judgements.

Hope it is not too late before you realized what's up. You had enough chances to prove your religion but you and the fellow messed up everytime. Thats sad.

Something the Bible says is gradually coming to pass in this our generation but most people wouldn't believe it.

Revelation 13:15-17 KJV
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. [16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The best firm of biometric for human identification are the retina and finger prints.

The world will soon face out the use of ATM and carrying of cash. And a computer chip containing peoples data will be implanted either in the person's right hand or in his forehead.This will contain the mark of the devil and anyone who takes it can never enter heaven , since they have become Satan's property.

Obama also passed a free health care bill into law in 2016 . To benefit from it , a small rice like chips has to be implanted in their hands.

What the Bible says is unfolding gradually in form of technologies.

My second point regarding Abraham is , for Abraham to have sent his first born Ishmael away from him according to God's instructions , it means God has no plan to save the world through Ishmael or his descendants.

God divided the Red Sea for the Israelites to escape to show a sign to the world that He is God of Abraham , Isaac and Israel.

Genesis 15:13-15 KJV
And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; [14] And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. [15] And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

It was the sraelites that were in a Egypt for four hundred years and God did those miracles for world to know that the God of the Israelites is God the Creator of the Red Sea,

So?. Every religion on earth has some sort of prophecies the would come to pass. How's that criteria to determine the truth?. My friend, there is only one religion with God, Islam. Nothing else. But you do have the right to practice whatever religion you want. But the moment you take your last breath, everything stops right there and there is no coming back. Even in Hindu religion they have in their literature that in the end time there long dead grandfathers and great grandfathers will return to earth. This of course is happening gradually which makes their claim to be truth. But the reality is, it is not their dead relatives but satan (Jinn) handiwork and technology. They clone people. And Jinn appear in form of their grandpa and speak to them. Therefore, they are misguided bcus of that. But to the Hindu, it is the truth.

Empiree:
You didnt disappoint me. I knew this all along. You are a kafir. Where did Jesus make this claim?. Even if we are to accept that Jesus is part of God, therefore it makes him God, then, all human beings are also part of God and we are all Gods becuase we are all created from spirit of God. Qur'an says

“He(God) Who has created all things in the best possible way. He(God) commenced the creation of man from clay; then produced his seed from an extract of base fluid; then formed him and breathed His(God) Soul into him and gave you hearing, sight and hearts. What little thanks you show!” (Surat as-Sajdah, 7-9)

See how easy Quran explains it?. See that verse of Quran knocks off your warped belief system. All of us humans are borne through mere breath of Creator, Allah. So how does that make Jesus God?. The basic difference between we ordinary humans and Jesus and all other prophets and messengers is because they received revelation and God Almighty constantly touched them with pure soul. But we ordinary human's soul may be corrupted at some point.

You need to renounce christianity. You have ran out of idea man. Christianity is not from God and Jesus NEVER preached christianity. You hear me?.

See how the Bible explains it:
"... Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death - even on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." [Philippians 2: 5-11]

"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." [Colossians 1: 15-17]

"(God) has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word." [Hebrews 1: 2-3]

The only fitting response to all these is - Praise the Lord!

Empiree:
The Black stone in itself is not significant to our system of belief. And the hadith you posted below already answered your question

The black stone came down with Adam. It is not idol. The Black Stone was sent down by Allah to this earth from Paradise.

The Black Stone will come forth on the Day of Resurrection and will testify in favour of those who touched it in truth.

So you can see there is no specific attachment to the stone to the point of making it object of worship.

If people start kissing the statue of a leader, or a tree or some other objects, what would you say that they are doing? Would you describe those actions as INSIGNIFICANT?

Kissing an inanimate object is equivalent to paying homage/worship to that object. It cannot be seen otherwise. And Moslems say they are not to worship anything apart from Allah.

Your arguments in defence of kissing the black stone are simply nonsensical.

Empiree:


Hope it is not too late before you realized what's up. You had enough chances to prove your religion but you and the fellow messed up everytime. Thats sad.

So?. Every religion on earth has some sort of prophecies the would come to pass. How's that criteria to determine the truth?. My friend, there is only one religion with God, Islam. Nothing else. But you do have the right to practice whatever religion you want. But the moment you take your last breath, everything stops right there and there is no coming back. f their grandpa and speak to them. Therefore, they are misguided bcus of that. But to the Hindu, it is the truth.

Why did you think Muhammad was God's Prophet ?

There must be reasons why despite all these idolatry practices of Islam , you think you are on the right way.

Tell us .

enilove:


Why did you think Muhammad was God's Prophet ?

There must be reasons why despite all these idolatry practices of Islam , you think you are on the right way.

Tell us .

Allah Says (what means): "Say, (O Muhammad): 'O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, (from him) to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death.' So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided." [Quran 7: 158]




The verses in this regard are many, what we quote here is just one example. With regard to the Sunnah (traditions and approved actions of Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention )), there are many clear indications that Allah's Messenger began his call to Islam with Tawheed.



Amr bin Abasah As-Sulami, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "During the times of ignorance … I heard of a man in Makkah who received revelation. So I set upon my riding beast and came to him. At that time he was in hiding, due to the oppression of his people. So I behaved in a way that enabled me to gain access to him in Makkah. I said to him: "Who are you?" He replied: "I am a Prophet.' So I said: "And what is a Prophet?' He said: 'Allah has sent me as a Messenger.' So I said: 'And what is it that He has sent you with?' He said: 'I have been sent to order the joining of ties of relationship, to break the idols, so that Allah is worshipped Alone and nothing at all is associated in worship along with Him." [Muslim]

plainbibletruth:
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See how the Bible explains it:
"... Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by [b]taking the very nature of a servant, [/b]being made in human likeness.

Guy, there are apparent CONTRADICTIONS in everything you have been saying. At one point you would say Father, Son and Jolyghost are the same person. At another point you would say Son is servant to God which means they are two separate entities. You keep contradicting yourself. I have long heard Trinity are co-equals but at the same time your bible says that his said "father is greater than I". Why are you guys confusing yourselves?. Now take a look again. I already screenshot for the other guy before. Now here are another screenshots to prove that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are co-equals and co-eternal. Who is lying between you guys?

plainbibletruth:
[size=6pt][/size] he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death - even on a cross!

Someone crying on the cross doesn't seem humbled in front of death. He was rather crying seriously for help when he was nailed. He cried out loud


“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Those terrifying words occur in two Gospels — Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 — as Jesus is hanging on the cross near death.


This is not humble on the cross at all

If people start kissing the statue of a leader, or a tree or some other objects, what would you say that they are doing? Would you describe those actions as INSIGNIFICANT?

As I said before the answer is already provided in the Hadith quote by your buddy. We only kiss the stone because the prophet did.


When the second Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab (r.a) came to kiss the Stone, he said in front of all assembled: “No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither harm anyone nor benefit anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] kissing you, I would not have kissed you.”

Even it is recommended that when we intend to recite Quran, when we pick it up we should kiss Quran before we begin recitation. If you wanna call it respect or seeking barakah(blessings), fine. But act of worship is different from respect. But bowing in act of worship to a wood or stone is worship. The general principle is kissing black stone is not act of worship.

The difference between this and statue of Mary is that you guys already crafted image of Mary and you believe it is her replica and some believe she is mother of God. This is the reason they worship her image. This is different from kissing black stone. Black stone is not animated object in God's form to be worshipped

Empiree:
Allah Says (what means): "Say, (O Muhammad): 'O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, (from him) to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death.' So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided." [Quran 7: 158]

The verses in this regard are many, what we quote here is just one example. With regard to the Sunnah (traditions and approved actions of Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention )), there are many clear indications that Allah's Messenger began his call to Islam with Tawheed.


Amr bin Abasah As-Sulami, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "During the times of ignorance … I heard of a man in Makkah who received revelation. So I set upon my riding beast and came to him. At that time he was in hiding, due to the oppression of his people. So I behaved in a way that enabled me to gain access to him in Makkah. I said to him: "Who are you?" He replied: "I am a Prophet.' So I said: "And what is a Prophet?' He said: 'Allah has sent me as a Messenger.' So I said: 'And what is it that He has sent you with?' He said: 'I have been sent to order the joining of ties of relationship, to break the idols, so that Allah is worshipped Alone and nothing at all is associated in worship along with Him." [Muslim]

This means anyone that says God calls him should be believed , right ?

Is that not suicidal to just believe anyone without getting evidence of his calling ?

What I mean is this :

Exodus 4:1-9 KJV
And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The Lord hath not appeared unto thee. [2] And the Lord said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. [3] And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. [4] And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand: [5] That they may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee. [6] And the Lord said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. [7] And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh. [8] And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign. [9] And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land : and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land .

WHAT WAS THE SIGN GOD GAVE TO MUHAMMAD , SINCE HE CLAIMED IT WAS THE GOD OF MOSES THAT ALSO CALLED HIM ?

enilove:


This means anyone that says God calls him should be believed , right ?

Is that not suicidal to just believe anyone without getting evidence of his calling ?

What I mean is this :

Exodus 4:1-9 KJV
And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The Lord hath not appeared unto thee. [2] And the Lord said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. [3] And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. [4] And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand: [5] That they may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee. [6] And the Lord said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. [7] And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh. [8] And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign. [9] And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land : and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land .

WHAT WAS THE SIGN GOD GAVE TO MUHAMMAD , SINCE HE CLAIMED IT WAS THE GOD OF MOSES THAT ALSO CALLED HIM ?

Question is, why did you switch to Moses?

Empiree:
Question is, who did you switch to Moses?

I don't understand what you mean

Empiree:
Question is, who did you switch to Moses?

God of Moses means the God that called Moses. The God of the Israelites.

enilove:


God of Moses means the God that called Moses. The God of the Israelites.

this is about prophets Muhammad and Jesus. Why did you switch to Moses suddenly?. Diverting attention?

Empiree:
this is about prophets Muhammad and Jesus. Why did you switch to Moses suddenly?. Diverting attention?

Our discussion was never limited to Jesus or Moses.

Have you forgotten you mentioned David , Abraham etc ?

It is about the religions of Christianity and Islam. The Bible and the Quran.

enilove:


Our discussion was never limited to Jesus or Moses.

Have you forgotten you mentioned David , Abraham etc ?

It is about the religions of Christianity and Islam. The Bible and the Quran.

I Know your problem. It was because you couldn't prove how Jesus is God or son of God. Then you asked me how Muhammad was sent by God?. Why not asked yourself how Jesus was sent just like you tried to prove Moses?. Anyways, believe it or not, it is too late to question prophethood of Muhammad. Whether you believe he was or not is pretty much irrelevant. Here, digest this


Sura Nisa.160 -


Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms].


And [We sent] messengers about whom We have related [their stories] to you before and messengers about whom We have not related to you. And Allah spoke to Moses with [direct] speech.


[We sent] messengers as bringers of good tidings and warners so that mankind will have no argument against Allah after the messengers. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.


But Allah bears witness to that which He has revealed to you{Muhammad} . He has sent it down with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness [as well]. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.


Indeed, those who disbelieve and avert [people] from the way of Allah have certainly gone far astray. Indeed, those who disbelieve and commit wrong [or injustice] - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a path.


O Mankind, the Messenger {Muhammad} has come to you with the truth from your Lord, so believe; it is better for you. But if you disbelieve - then indeed, to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth. And ever is Allah Knowing and Wise.


O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.


This should be enough evidence.

Empiree:
I Know your problem. It was because you couldn't prove how Jesus is God or son of God. Then you asked me how Muhammad was sent by God?. Why not asked yourself how Jesus was sent just like you tried to prove Moses?. Anyways, believe it or not, it is too late to question prophethood of Muhammad. Whether you believe he was or not is pretty much irrelevant. Here, digest this

This should be enough evidence.

What kind of caricature post is this ? Was that the evidence Muhammad gave to show God called him?
It would have been better if you had not replied.

Must you follow religion because others are into it without knowing what it is all about ?

Muhammad had no evidence to show the people, and they there4 decided not to listen to him.
Muhammad had to take up arms with bandits to fight and force people to accept Islam.

THERE ARE SO MANY REASONS WHY THE QURAN YOU QUOTED IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD BUT MUHAMMAD'S.

When someone comes and say God calls me and his revelations are mostly in his favour , you have to be suspicious

Book 008, Number 3333:
Muslim :
Anas b. Malik (Allah be pleased with him) reported: When Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married Zainab bint jahsh, he invited people (to the wedding feast) and they ate food. They then sat there and entered into conversation. He (the Holy Prophet) made a stir as if he was preparing to stand up, but (the persons busy in talking) did not stand up. When he (the Holy Prophet) saw it, he stood up and when he did so, some other persons stood up. 'Asim and Abd al-A'la in their narrations made this addition: Three (persons) sat there, and Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) came there to enter (the apartment) but he found the people sitting there. Then they stood up and went away. He said: Then I came and informed Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) that they had gone away. He (the Holy Prophet) then came there until he entered (the apartment). I also went and was about to enter, when he hung a curtain between me and him (and it was on this occasion that) Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, revealed this verse:" O you who believe, enter not the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to you for a meal, not waiting for its cooking being finished to the (words)" Surely this is serious in the sight of Allah" (xxxiii. 53).

Allah SWT says:
يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَدْخُلُوا بُيُوتَ النَّبِىِّ إِلَّآ أَنْ يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ إِلٰى طَعَامٍ غَيْرَ نٰظِرِينَ إِنٰىهُ وَلٰكِنْ إِذَا دُعِيتُمْ فَادْخُلُوا فَإِذَا طَعِمْتُمْ فَانْتَشِرُوا وَلَا مُسْتَئْنِسِينَ لِحَدِيثٍ ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ يُؤْذِى النَّبِىَّ فَيَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنْكُمْ ۖ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۚ وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتٰعًا فَسْئَلُوهُنَّ مِنْ وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍ ۚ ذٰلِكُمْ أَطْهَرُ لِقُلُوبِكُمْ وَقُلُوبِهِنَّ ۚ وَمَا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَنْ تُؤْذُوا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَلَآ أَنْ تَنْكِحُوٓا أَزْوٰجَهُ ۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦٓ أَبَدًا ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ عَظِيمًا
"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 53)

Is this what you call revelations? How does this concern you and other Muslims that worths being included in a divine book?
MUHAMMAD WAS THE WORST ADOPTED FATHER EVER :

Allah SWT says:
وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

Can you see the kind of person the Muslims regard as prophet? Can you do this ?

Muhammad said this revelation was to guide other Muslim so as not to feel uncomfortable when there was need for them to marry their adopted son's wife.
Shortly after this , allah had to abolish the issue of adoption in Islam . What then was the need of the revelation.

Aishat who was very close to Muhammad knew this googling tactics and thereby said :

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:
Bukhari :
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet for marriage. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33.51) was revealed, " 'Aisha said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "

SOME OTHER PEOPLE WERE AWARE OF HIS FALSEHOODS :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

What was the need for substituting one revelation for another?
Why was the first set of Quran burnt?

WHY WAS THE FIRST SETS OF QURAN DESTROYED? SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN AVOIDING THIS QUESTION.

All you know is to berate Christianity while you know nothing about yours.









t a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?

enilove:


What kind of caricature post is this ? Was that the evidence Muhammad gave to show God called him?
It would have been better if you had not replied.

So now that you are presented evidence, you called it "caricature"?. Well, this habit of your is not new by the way.


So far, everything else you quoted are unrelated. And you have no idea what you posted. Anyways, for short, the ahadith you quote is teaching his companions (and by extension muslims) etiquette. So you mean to tell me you just break in to your mom's bedroom without knocking and and without waiting for permission, then talk trash in her bedroom?. Is this how you relate with her?.

This verse below is teaching you basic adhab

"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJyzJBvFFOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdy66QJyOyQ&t=1792s

Empiree:
So now that you are presented evidence, you called it "caricature"?. Well, this habit of your is not new by the way.


So far, everything else you quoted are unrelated. And you have no idea what you posted. Anyways, for short, the ahadith you quote is teaching his companions (and by extension muslims) etiquette. So you mean to tell me you just break in to your mom's bedroom without knocking and and without waiting for permission, then talk trash in her bedroom?. Is this how you relate with her?.

This verse below is teaching you basic adhab


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJyzJBvFFOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdy66QJyOyQ&t=1792s

This guy , I didn't know you were this funny o . How does that relate to teaching of basic morals ? Muhammad was teaching grown up men basic morals ?

Let us assume you were right .

What are these ones teaching ?
1)
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

2)
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 449:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Al-Bara:

The Prophet said to Hassan, "Abuse them (with your poems), and Gabriel is with you (i.e, supports you)." (Through another group of sub narrators) Al-Bara bin Azib said, "On the day of Quraiza's (besiege), Allah's Apostle said to Hassan bin Thabit, 'Abuse them (with your poems), and Gabriel is with you (i.e. supports you).' "

3)
Book 008, Number 3425:
Sahih Muslim :
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.

4)
Volume 7, Book 71, Number 610:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas and 'Aisha:

Abu Bakr kissed (the forehead of) the Prophet when he was dead. 'Aisha added: We put medicine in one side of his mouth but he started waving us not to insert the medicine into his mouth. We said, "He dislikes the medicine as a patient usually does." But when he came to his senses he said, "Did I not forbid you to put medicine (by force) in the side of my mouth?" We said, "We thought it was just because a patient usually dislikes medicine." He said, "None of those who are in the house but will be forced to take medicine in the side of his mouth while I am watching, except Al-'Abbas, for he had not witnessed your deed."

5)
Volume 3, Book 47, Number 755:
Bukhari :
Narrated 'Urwa from 'Aisha:

The wives of Allah's Apostle were in two groups. One group consisted of 'Aisha, Hafsa, Safiyya and Sauda; and the other group consisted of Um Salama and the other wives of Allah's Apostle. The Muslims knew that Allah's Apostle loved 'Aisha, so if any of them had a gift and wished to give to Allah's Apostle, he would delay it, till Allah's Apostle had come to 'Aisha's home and then he would send his gift to Allah's Apostle in her home. The group of Um Salama discussed the matter together and decided that Um Salama should request Allah's Apostle to tell the people to send their gifts to him in whatever wife's house he was. Um Salama told Allah's Apostle of what they had said, but he did not reply. Then they (those wives) asked Um Salama about it. She said, "He did not say anything to me." They asked her to talk to him again. She talked to him again when she met him on her day, but he gave no reply. When they asked her, she replied that he had given no reply. They said to her, "Talk to him till he gives you a reply." When it was her turn, she talked to him again. He then said to her, "Do not hurt me regarding Aisha, as the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the beds except that of Aisha." On that Um Salama said, "I repent to Allah for hurting you." Then the group of Um Salama called Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle and sent her to Allah's Apostle to say to him, "Your wives request to treat them and the daughter of Abu Bakr on equal terms." Then Fatima conveyed the message to him. The Prophet said, "O my daughter! Don't you love whom I love?" She replied in the affirmative and returned and told them of the situation. They requested her to go to him again but she refused. They then sent Zainab bint Jahsh who went to him and used harsh words saying, "Your wives request you to treat them and the daughter of Ibn Abu Quhafa on equal terms." On that she raised her voice and abused 'Aisha to her face so much so that Allah's Apostle looked at 'Aisha to see whether she would retort. 'Aisha started replying to Zainab till she silenced her. The Prophet then looked at 'Aisha and said, "She is really the daughter of Abu Bakr."

Empiree:
How is Kaaba new to you. Here it is in your bible with exception of dialects. Both Bible and Quran recognize Abraham presence at Kaaba(Baca) in Mecca

Bacca is not only mecca (according to zombie Muslims) but Barcelona or even real Madrid. It amazed me when Muslims shamelessly lie to make a point. Instead of brazenly lying, I will keep quiet. Anyway, lying is the 7th pillar of Islam, after jihad.

Empiree:
Allah Says (what means): "Say, (O Muhammad): 'O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, (from him) to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death.' So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided." [Quran 7: 158]




The verses in this regard are many, what we quote here is just one example. With regard to the Sunnah (traditions and approved actions of Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention )), there are many clear indications that Allah's Messenger began his call to Islam with Tawheed.



Amr bin Abasah As-Sulami, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "During the times of ignorance … I heard of a man in Makkah who received revelation. So I set upon my riding beast and came to him. At that time he was in hiding, due to the oppression of his people. So I behaved in a way that enabled me to gain access to him in Makkah. I said to him: "Who are you?" He replied: "I am a Prophet.' So I said: "And what is a Prophet?' He said: 'Allah has sent me as a Messenger.' So I said: 'And what is it that He has sent you with?' He said: 'I have been sent to order the joining of ties of relationship, to break the idols, so that Allah is worshipped Alone and nothing at all is associated in worship along with Him." [Muslim]

I am sorry bro, there is no single place allahh directly spoke to Mohammed (police be upon him). Mohammed didn't hear any single 'schim' from any allahh. When Mohammed was frightened by the encounter he had at the cave of hirah, it was his wife, khadija, who took him to her Christian uncle, waraqah ibn nafa, who told Mohammed that he must have encountered an angel.

Who was with Mohammed to confirm the authenticity of his claim? None.

Did Mohammed, who allegedly saw the so-called angel Gabriel thought he saw an angel? No.

Did Mohammed taught he had a demonic encounter? Yes (read this encounter in sirah rasool allahh and altabari)

Was Mohammed suicidal after his first encounter with the so-called angel Gabriel? Yes.

You have to ask yourself many honest questions about Mohammed and Islam. Mohammed's Islam doesn't add up with people with bright and critical mind.

enilove:


What kind of caricature post is this ? Was that the evidence Muhammad gave to show God called him?
It would have been better if you had not replied.

Must you follow religion because others are into it without knowing what it is all about ?

Muhammad had no evidence to show the people, and they there4 decided not to listen to him.
Muhammad had to take up arms with bandits to fight and force people to accept Islam.

THERE ARE SO MANY REASONS WHY THE QURAN YOU QUOTED IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD BUT MUHAMMAD'S.

When someone comes and say God calls me and his revelations are mostly in his favour , you have to be suspicious

Book 008, Number 3333:
Muslim :
Anas b. Malik (Allah be pleased with him) reported: When Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married Zainab bint jahsh, he invited people (to the wedding feast) and they ate food. They then sat there and entered into conversation. He (the Holy Prophet) made a stir as if he was preparing to stand up, but (the persons busy in talking) did not stand up. When he (the Holy Prophet) saw it, he stood up and when he did so, some other persons stood up. 'Asim and Abd al-A'la in their narrations made this addition: Three (persons) sat there, and Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) came there to enter (the apartment) but he found the people sitting there. Then they stood up and went away. He said: Then I came and informed Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) that they had gone away. He (the Holy Prophet) then came there until he entered (the apartment). I also went and was about to enter, when he hung a curtain between me and him (and it was on this occasion that) Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, revealed this verse:" O you who believe, enter not the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to you for a meal, not waiting for its cooking being finished to the (words)" Surely this is serious in the sight of Allah" (xxxiii. 53).

Allah SWT says:
يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَدْخُلُوا بُيُوتَ النَّبِىِّ إِلَّآ أَنْ يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ إِلٰى طَعَامٍ غَيْرَ نٰظِرِينَ إِنٰىهُ وَلٰكِنْ إِذَا دُعِيتُمْ فَادْخُلُوا فَإِذَا طَعِمْتُمْ فَانْتَشِرُوا وَلَا مُسْتَئْنِسِينَ لِحَدِيثٍ ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ يُؤْذِى النَّبِىَّ فَيَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنْكُمْ ۖ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۚ وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتٰعًا فَسْئَلُوهُنَّ مِنْ وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍ ۚ ذٰلِكُمْ أَطْهَرُ لِقُلُوبِكُمْ وَقُلُوبِهِنَّ ۚ وَمَا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَنْ تُؤْذُوا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَلَآ أَنْ تَنْكِحُوٓا أَزْوٰجَهُ ۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦٓ أَبَدًا ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ عَظِيمًا
"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 53)

Is this what you call revelations? How does this concern you and other Muslims that worths being included in a divine book?
MUHAMMAD WAS THE WORST ADOPTED FATHER EVER :

Allah SWT says:
وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

Can you see the kind of person the Muslims regard as prophet? Can you do this ?

Muhammad said this revelation was to guide other Muslim so as not to feel uncomfortable when there was need for them to marry their adopted son's wife.
Shortly after this , allah had to abolish the issue of adoption in Islam . What then was the need of the revelation.

Aishat who was very close to Muhammad knew this googling tactics and thereby said :

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:
Bukhari :
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet for marriage. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33.51) was revealed, " 'Aisha said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "

SOME OTHER PEOPLE WERE AWARE OF HIS FALSEHOODS :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

What was the need for substituting one revelation for another?
Why was the first set of Quran burnt?

WHY WAS THE FIRST SETS OF QURAN DESTROYED? SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN AVOIDING THIS QUESTION.

All you know is to berate Christianity while you know nothing about yours.









t a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?

This is the funniest ayah in the Quran:

ﻈِﻴﻤًﺎ
"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 53)

I read ibn kathir's commentary on this ayah and I shook my head in disbelief that a reasonable person will still call this charlatan a prophet. According to ibn Kathir, the sahabas usually stay behind, chatting with Mohammed's wives, after meal. One of the sahabas, name not mentioned, suggested that he would marry Aisha after the death of Mohammed. This made Mohammed angry and uncomfortable with his sahabas hanging around his wives after meal. As usual, allahh came to the rescue by revealing Koran 33:53 to Muhammad.

allahh also assisted Mohammed in Koran 33;37 such that no man must marry any of his wife, whether he is dead or alive. What a prophet!

true2god:
I am sorry bro, there is no single place allahh directly spoke to Mohammed (peace be upon him). Mohammed didn't hear any single 'schim' from any allahh.

These are a couple verses from the Quran:


And Allah has revealed to you the Book and Wisdom and has taught you that which you did not know. [4:113]


Hikmah (Wisdom) here is distinct from the Book (which is referring to Quran), so it is revelation besides the Quran.


"Remember the favor of Allah upon you and what has been revealed to you of the Book and wisdom by which He instructs you". [2:231]


There is hadith Qudsi {direct speech of God to prophet Muhammad -peace be upon him). A Sacred Narration (al-Hadith al-Qudsi) is a narration (hadith) which, from the perspective of its meaning, is from Allah, the Exalted, and from the perspective of its wording, from the Messenger of God (Allah bless him and give him peace). [Jurjani, al-Ta`rifat]

true2god:
Who was with Mohammed to confirm the authenticity of his claim? None.

First of all, God is enough sufficient witness. If I have to quote physical witnesses is only to make you comfortable. If Allah witnesses something, His witness is far trusted than 7 billion human beings and billions of Jinns combined. QUR'AN says:



But Allah bears witness to that which He has revealed to you. He has sent it down with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness [as well]. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. 4:166


Also


Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is [none but] he[Gabriel] who has brought the Qur'an down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah, confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers. Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers." Q2v 97-98




Secondly, prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was indeed foretold in the original Aramaic Bible. And the name of GOD Almighty in the original Aramaic Bible was indeed "Allah".



Beside, I would like to ask the you the same question about your Bible's Prophets who have Books in today's Bible:


1- Did Moses have any witnesses or was he foretold in any previous book to prove that he was truthful?


2- Did King David have any witnesses or was foretold in the books that came before him? How do you believe in his revelations when he slept with his neighbor's wife?


3- Did Solomon, Ezra, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Job and the rest of the Prophets foretold each others? How do you believe in Solomon's revelations when he said that his wife's "vagina tastes like wine" for him?


4- Were the Disciples of Jesus foretold in the Bible?


5- Was the Disciple Paul foretold in the Bible, since he never even met Jesus in person?


The answer to the all of the above is NO! None of the Bible's Prophets except for Jesus and Muhammad were ever foretold.

true2god:

[s]Did Mohammed, who allegedly saw the so-called angel Gabriel thought he saw an angel? No.

Did Mohammed taught he had a demonic encounter? Yes (read this encounter in sirah rasool allahh and altabari)

Was Mohammed suicidal after his first encounter with the so-called angel Gabriel? Yes.

You have to ask yourself many honest questions about Mohammed and Islam. Mohammed's Islam doesn't add up with people with bright and critical mind.[/s]

Irrelevant

true2god:
Bacca is not only mecca (according to zombie Muslims) but Barcelona or even real Madrid. It amazed me when Muslims shamelessly lie to make a point. Instead of brazenly lying, I will keep quiet. Anyway, lying is the 7th pillar of Islam, after jihad.

Barcelona or even real Madrid. Omo ale

true2god:
This is the funniest ayah in the Quran:

ﻈِﻴﻤًﺎ
"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 53)

I read ibn kathir's commentary on this ayah and I shook my head in disbelief that a reasonable person will still call this charlatan a prophet. According to ibn Kathir, the sahabas usually stay behind, chatting with Mohammed's wives, after meal. One of the sahabas, name not mentioned, suggested that he would marry Aisha after the death of Mohammed. This made Mohammed angry and uncomfortable with his sahabas hanging around his wives after meal. As usual, allahh came to the rescue by revealing Koran 33:53 to Muhammad.

allahh also assisted Mohammed in Koran 33;37 such that no man must marry any of his wife, whether he is dead or alive. What a prophet!

You are very correct .

It baffles one why the Muslims see this kind of repugnant declaration as God's revelation.

Why should a right thinking person be gambling with his\her life?

The most obnoxious answer someone could give regarding that surah 33:53 was that it was revealed to teach basic morals.

To me , I see the below as even worse than that Surah 33:53 :
Allah SWT says:

وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ ۥ ٓ أَمْرًا أَنْ يَكُونَ لَهُمُ الْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْ ۗ وَمَنْ يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۥ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلٰلًا مُّبِينًا
"It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 36)

Allah used to consult Muhammad for decisions and after that , no more options for the Muslims but to just follow .
But there was a case where Allah and Muhammad made mistake and someone had to put them right :

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 512:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Al-Bara:

There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95)

The Prophet said, "Call Zaid for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)."' Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit..", and at that time 'Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet . He said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:

'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah.' (4.95)

So , Allah and Muhammad did not remember the blinds and the unfit .

The worst of them all is this :

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

I know the Muslims really need prayers . What do you think?