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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by smileyoo: 2:11pm On Jul 29, 2018
Waffarianman:




Top able body assist their projects, not a JW but my wife is one.
bros. you said your wife is a witness, but you 're not, is it possible? thought they only marry from their fold.
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by mike1994reds: 2:11pm On Jul 29, 2018
TLisieux:
How do JW fund their Kingdom hall buildings and other projects? I am curious.
Donations, dummy. They politely ask you to assist with whatever you have after giving you their magazine to read. And it might interest you that their people that'll donate to a good course on this earth, people with good heart. You dont need to force it, if God is truly with you, he'll find a way to make sure you never lack! But churches today don outpace God, greed has sent in, the yardstick of a successful ministry today is owning a private jet and riding in expensive cars! God is coming soon, and judgement will start in his house!
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by mike1994reds: 2:14pm On Jul 29, 2018
ROSYL:


Forcing and manipulating are two different words.
Ok, ma. Which of them depicts the right way of serving God? I don't understand the line of argument you trying to raise

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Themandator: 2:14pm On Jul 29, 2018
Ever8054:
he is right...they must not dip hand in ya packet or chase you out but the treat and courses alone is something else..most pentecostal churches today has driven some people out of church in with there business activities in the house of God...


Mention one of them that has a levy for harvest. Annual dues, one that taxes the individual on the basis of their places of origin like an Igbo woman would be expected to pay money to the church through the Igbo Catholic community. Is there any one of them that prints raffle booklets and distributes same to societies within the church on sale or pay basis?

Is there anyone that takes offering because there is a diocesan levy they need to pay as a church?
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by HeavenShield: 2:15pm On Jul 29, 2018
In my church it is optional..
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Adakintroy: 2:16pm On Jul 29, 2018
InansBobo:
Have u ever been to a Pentecostal church and was sent out because you were not with offering/tithe?
Has any Pentecostal forced money out of your pocket? (if any then run from there because they are many that don't do that). You just want to attack baselessly

I think we all know what he is saying. I from a pentecostal background. They may not put a gun to your head. But when a renoun g.o comes and tell you that if you do not tight you won't make heaven. ( giving that heaven is the ultimate goal of every christian) then they have more than put a gun to your head (force).

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by sportskid(m): 2:16pm On Jul 29, 2018
[quote author=budusky05 post=69799337][/quote]

They do all the works themselves, that sounds like stinginess..... JW are very self-centered in there approach, they will never collect anything from you e.g fliers,tracts or even here your preaching, but they will try to seduce you with there hypocritical smile in order to make u hear them. They have no love, don't honour invitations, they think they are the only ones who know God......Horse shit

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Nobody: 2:18pm On Jul 29, 2018
Zendinho:
Based on my own opinion, i think they don't force people to pay, rather they only used persuasive, appealing, coded, manipulative, religiously captivating and heavenly inspiring words or terminologies in getting monies from their members...

So it's left for the member to technically unravel their tricks or fall for them.



If you know you know.



Am a former jw and you're totally correct
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:25pm On Jul 29, 2018
Every religion has a style it uses to collect money from members. There is no religion that has its money fall from the sky. Pentecostals call it offerings and tithes while jehovah witness call theirs voluntary donation. At the end of the day they all rip members off. I don't think something is voluntary when you tell members what they should and can donate (eg shares, bonds, stocks, real estate, jewellery, gold, money, cheques, time, farms, industries, other assets etc), how to donate (use credit or debit cards, cash, pos, bank deposits, wills, working in bethel, not going to college, making report on the number of hours spent on going door to door etc), time to donate and reward of donating (getting to wake up in paradise).

At the end of the day it's members of a particular religion that donate to or fund their religion. Funds will never fall from the sky neither can you pluck money from trees. Pentecostal and jw are the same thing.

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Olifiz(m): 2:31pm On Jul 29, 2018
lexy2014:
I don pass that stage. If dem like make dem put basin 4 my front. If I no wan give dem anything, I no de give

but this ur comment s funny. U quite hilarious.

But come to think of it. Things like that shouldn’t be done. Voluntary contributions should I NG be a showy display thingy. Your left hand shouldn’t know wat ur right hand is doing n vice versa. Do have a lovely day
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:32pm On Jul 29, 2018
mike1994reds:

Donations, dummy. They politely ask you to assist with whatever you have after giving you their magazine to read. And it might interest you that their people that'll donate to a good course on this earth, people with good heart. You dont need to force it, if God is truly with you, he'll find a way to make sure you never lack! But churches today don outpace God, greed has sent in, the yardstick of a successful ministry today is owning a private jet and riding in expensive cars! God is coming soon, and judgement will start in his house!

Pentecostals fund their building projects via offerings and tithes I guess. Its Still donations from their members.
How did your leaders get fund to build Warwick?
How do they get funds to pay bethelites their monthly stipend?
How do they get funds to publish their books?
How do you get funds for your gb members to fly first class?
Pentecostals have a name they call theirs and you have a name you call yours. Whatever name it's the same thing. It's called making the religion richer.

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Olifiz(m): 2:32pm On Jul 29, 2018
Jimatex:


don't speak ill of any man of God. let God be the one to judge them.

remember, God said, touch not my anointed

So quoting wat someone said is now wrong? Remember he said this at a public gathering
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by bluestone2015: 2:36pm On Jul 29, 2018
I sometimes don't give offering when I don't have. I just sit on my seat and nobody forces me to stand up. It's up to you.

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by NnamdiEducamia(m): 2:38pm On Jul 29, 2018
PUSSYHOE:
Why is it that ladies drop N10 - N100 in offering boxes despite collecting money from different men? They can't even spare some good currency for God's work

So what you in church is to check how much ladies give as offering?

See you see hell
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by deebrownneymar: 2:43pm On Jul 29, 2018
It was never by force though one is made to feel compelled.

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Waffarianman(m): 2:44pm On Jul 29, 2018
smileyoo:
bros. you said your wife is a witness, but you 're not, is it possible? thought they only marry from their fold.


Bro na God work abeg.
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by nuesmann(m): 2:46pm On Jul 29, 2018
TLisieux:
How do JW fund their Kingdom hall buildings and other projects? I am curious.
IT IS THROUGH THAT SAME VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Themandator: 2:47pm On Jul 29, 2018
Jascon4:


They don't do Tithe or offering, you need to correct that impression. The boxes are there only for voluntary contribution


Whehter they do or not doesn't mean those who do are not Christians. Only doctrines makes them not to not whether it is scriptural to take offering and tithes.
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by OShepherd: 2:47pm On Jul 29, 2018
[quote author=obailala post=69799615]In the surface, it's not really seen as 'forcing', but when someone you hold in high esteem, revere and even fear, psychologically blackmails you with religious and eternal damnation threats in order for you to part with your money, it is only in Africa that such acts are not viewed as 'Force' !!!!! You r very correct my brother. They forget some people who aren't as religious as them don't follow their thought patterns yet may make d heaven they clamour without been spiritual about it: what an IRONY!
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by smileyoo: 2:52pm On Jul 29, 2018
Waffarianman:



Bro na God work abeg.
lucky you. i had one before, such a caring lady, but the parent's strict posture, messed up the show. sobs.
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Emmariks(m): 2:59pm On Jul 29, 2018
Kingstanding:
. But G.O's said no tithe no heaven and also God will not answer the prayer of anyone that did not pay tithe.
When ever you hear or see things like this, check if it was part of the Apostle's doctrine. Our foundation as Christians is based on the Apostle's doctrine. whatever that was not there is only a false doctrine.

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Themandator: 3:00pm On Jul 29, 2018
intergral:
Christianity has turned God into a begger... God gives money not the other way round, the only thing God wants is worship, praises, good deeds, morality, and spiritual commitment then follow his instructions but not money... Better use that money and help poor people around you, it will score you more than sharing it to your pastors that buy designers shoes and clothes... Ask your self did jesus ask his followers for gold and lively things or did jesus wear goldern shoes or expensive clothes... So Christians let me ask y'ol are you copying jesus or your pastor?


Hall knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge. It would be better if you don't know anything about Christianity than have this nonsense you wrote as the correct position of the scripture.


Firstly, God doesn't give money since there is no money in heaven. If you receive money from God then it has to be counterfeit since it is government of nations that prints money. God gives power to get wealth through the manifestation of his blessings in and upon your life....see Deut 8 :18

secondly, Christ wore quality clothings. The soldiers had to Cast lots after he had died to share his clothes... You don't cast lot over rags...see Matt 27:35... Do you know any sars operatives that would Cast lotvto share the clothes of an armed robber that have killed if the clothes are Aba made?
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by xpmode(m): 3:02pm On Jul 29, 2018
Onyenku2:

Via voluntary contributions ONLY.
Is that not called offering?

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Themandator: 3:03pm On Jul 29, 2018
Originalsly:
There are churches.....and there are businesses. Most churches are businesses.... you should be able to discern which is which. The two top priorities of a church are to help prepare you spiritually for Judgement Day....and to help the poor. The top priority of a business....is to make profit/accumulate wealth.


When you make this kind of emphatic statement or contribution, it is best to use the scripture as your basis. Where did you get the two points from the scripture..... Jesus said I have come that they might have live and have it more abundantly.... John 10:10 and the same scripture supported this set when it stated that God gave his only begotten son so that Whosoever believes shall have everlasting life
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Okwyjesus(m): 3:06pm On Jul 29, 2018
nairavsdollars:
I attended the church of Jehovah's Witnesses and i noticed they don't compel people to pay Tithes and Offerings like most Pentecostal churches.

All they have is a box where any willing attendee is free to drop whatever he or she desires. No POS, no long sermon, no threat on giving like most Pentecostal churches. Jesus Christ never forced people to give and Christians are meant to emulate Christ.

I don’t like their doctrines but on this i am impressed.


Rubbish Post! Which Pentecostal took you to police for not giving offering. Everybody is just saying rubbish about church.

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Jascon4: 3:08pm On Jul 29, 2018
Themandator:



Whehter they do or not doesn't mean those who do are not Christians. Only doctrines makes them not to not whether it is scriptural to take offering and tithes.

I have no business with those who do, I was only correcting a misinformation.
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Hairyrapunzel: 3:12pm On Jul 29, 2018
xpmode:


Is that not called offering?
They will not want to call it offering because they want to look different from others. What they don't know is that they practice the same thing just like the others no matter the kind of name they want to tag theirs

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Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by Themandator: 3:21pm On Jul 29, 2018
Jascon4:


I have no business with those who do, I was only correcting a misinformation.


Whether you do not doesn't change what the Bible has to say about tithe and offering..... God's opinion is always the same but he, through the Holy Spirit, is ever ready to denounce your interpretation of his word.....


Jesus personally supervised the collection of offering not free will donations ... He saw a poor old widow put money into the offerings box and didn't return it to her neither did he give her more money...that should tell you that nobody is exempted from giving to the course of the kingdom...how it ends up being used it of no concern to you.....whatever name you called it while giving it is what God records it as.... Gen 2:19.......see Luke 21:1-4


Jesus did not forbid the new Church from tithe. The church he met when he was on earth had teachers, scribes and the rest...no levites but yet they were paying tithes and making a show of it that he, Jesus had to teach them the kingdom order for giving. He did not stop tithe..... See Matt 23:23.... Tithe is received by men but is acknowledged by God in heaven....Heb 7:8
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by nwanyiugbo122(f): 3:24pm On Jul 29, 2018
Jethrolite:
Bros chance no de, na wayo conversion I be want do self.
which one is wayo convertion again?
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by okachie1(m): 3:25pm On Jul 29, 2018
TLisieux:
How do JW fund their Kingdom hall buildings and other projects? I am curious.
Through willful donations
Re: Can Pentecostal Churches Make Offerings Optional Like Jehovah's Witnesses? by thunderbabs: 3:25pm On Jul 29, 2018
InansBobo:
Have u ever been to a Pentecostal church and was sent out because you were not with offering/tithe?
Has any Pentecostal forced money out of your pocket? (if any then run from there because they are many that don't do that). You just want to attack baselessly

Guy, d attack isnt in d form you explaining. You re threatened with Malachi, thereby forced. You get?

Thatz how it works in Pentecostals

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