Barristter07:


I can see the heat is getting too much for you ,

Sorry, the Father has a specific location he dwells .and that is Heaven .

1 Chronicles 6:21 says
then hear from heaven, your dwelling place.


Dwelling place . Am sure you know what that means .

Even Jesus testified by saying our Father IN HEAVEN.

He Prayed to the Father when he was on earth , Only a damaged brain would say he was praying to someone within him.

Through his holy spirit, he could see and know everything going on FROM HEAVEN ( Psalm 139:7)
God gave Jesus his holy spirit, evidence that he is with him .

NOT literally . let it sink into you, The Father and Hod of Jesus lives in heaven!

One thing is this area would finally get you exposed flawlessly. Shifting post to ordinary body like a typical Plato student ., which part of Jesus is God himself . spirit soul or body ?

Jesus spirit is not the Father - its his breath ( Luke 23:46) , been giving to the Father showed distinct personalities at different location. And its just Breath of life




Matt 20:28, Isaiah 53:11,12 says Jesus soul would die , ( Since you are trying to claim the real Jesus doesn't die , How come the Soul called Jesus died ? Does the Father also died ?


This would expose the whole scam of literal indwelling .

So the question still stands.
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damosky12:


Smiles... You need understanding.

Jeremiah 23:24
[24]Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

Deuteronomy 4:39
[39]Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Exodus 29:45
[45]And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.

Did you see DWELL here too?






You don't need to be rude.
The issue is your understanding of what heaven is.

Heaven, first, is not material... "Our father in heaven" does not mean a God who is confined to time and space... Haba!

The father is in heaven, yet on earth.

"father in heaven" is not to say He us confined or limited to heaven.




LOL. Isn't God a Spirit (John 4:24). What is the difference between this Holy Spirit and Him.

Really? "FROM HEAVEN"? If so, why does He require the Holy Spirit?
Isn't the Holy Spirit operating on earth?
Isn't the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God?
Isn't God a Spirit?

Here is it:
The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit operates on earth. He is not bound by space and time. Hence, why He can indwell all believers.

God didn't give Jesus His Holy Spirit. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. He is Holy Spirit put on flesh...

Luke described the baby Jesus as Holy thing...

Luke 1:35
[35]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Note the Holy Ghost had to come upon and overshadow Mary for this Holy Thing to be born...

He is Holy Spirit incarnate. He is God incarnate.




He lives in heaven. He live in me too.

John 14:23
[23]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


1 Corinthians 6:19
[19]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Note ABODE.




Simple. The Word (God) put on flesh (John 1:14). The flesh, the body is not God. It is the agency through which God lived like men among men. God is a Spirit





Matthew 20:28
[28]Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

The word LIFE there was rightly translated. Its not soul.
.It is taken from the word psuchē which means "breath of life". It was translated LIFE 40 times in the KJV.

The word is not soul. He gave His life.

The same word was used here...

John 15:13
[13]Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Same applies for Isaiah 53. soul there is taken from the word "nephesh" which originally means breath. The same word is translated LIFE over 100 times.


Psalms 16:10.
[10]For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.



He had a soul even in death...


Besides, the significance of Jesus' death had more to do with the shedding of His blood rather than the "offering of a soul."

Hebrews 10:18-19
[18]Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[19]Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,


Hebrews 9:13-14
[13]For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
[14]How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?



Not the offering of a soul o...

damosky12:


Smiles... You need understanding.

Jeremiah 23:24
[24]Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

Deuteronomy 4:39
[39]Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Exodus 29:45
[45]And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.

Did you see DWELL here too?






You don't need to be rude.
The issue is your understanding of what heaven is.

Heaven, first, is not material... "Our father in heaven" does not mean a God who is confined to time and space... Haba!

The father is in heaven, yet on earth.

"father in heaven" is not to say He us confined or limited to heaven.




LOL. Isn't God a Spirit (John 4:24). What is the difference between this Holy Spirit and Him.

Really? "FROM HEAVEN"? If so, why does He require the Holy Spirit?
Isn't the Holy Spirit operating on earth?
Isn't the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God?
Isn't God a Spirit?

Here is it:
The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit operates on earth. He is not bound by space and time. Hence, why He can indwell all believers.

God didn't give Jesus His Holy Spirit. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. He is Holy Spirit put on flesh...

Luke described the baby Jesus as Holy thing...

Luke 1:35
[35]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Note the Holy Ghost had to come upon and overshadow Mary for this Holy Thing to be born...

He is Holy Spirit incarnate. He is God incarnate.




He lives in heaven. He live in me too.

John 14:23
[23]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


1 Corinthians 6:19
[19]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Note ABODE.




Simple. The Word (God) put on flesh (John 1:14). The flesh, the body is not God. It is the agency through which God lived like men among men. God is a Spirit





Matthew 20:28
[28]Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

The word LIFE there was rightly translated. Its not soul.
.It is taken from the word psuchē which means "breath of life". It was translated LIFE 40 times in the KJV.

The word is not soul. He gave His life.

The same word was used here...

John 15:13
[13]Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Same applies for Isaiah 53. soul there is taken from the word "nephesh" which originally means breath. The same word is translated LIFE over 100 times.


Psalms 16:10.
[10]For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.



He had a soul even in death...


Besides, the significance of Jesus' death had more to do with the shedding of His blood rather than the "offering of a soul."

Hebrews 10:18-19
[18]Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[19]Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,


Hebrews 9:13-14
[13]For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
[14]How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?



Not the offering of a soul o...

OneJ:



Barrister07 is on point

U offer your soul meaning U offered your life. That is ,U sacrificed your life or soul for a cause.
The same Greek word means life or soul.
Jesus said:
"Whoever wants to save his soul will lose it, but whoever loses his soul for me will find it. What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?".
Matt 16:25,26.
The soul is mortal ,not immortal. Therefore, man is a soul.
" Jehovah /Yahweh formed the man from the dust & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul."
Gen 2:7.

Remove the breath of life, man is lifeless, a dead soul.

OneJ:



Barrister07 is on point

U offer your soul meaning U offered your life. That is ,U sacrificed your life or soul for a cause.
The same Greek word means life or soul.
Jesus said:
"Whoever wants to save his soul will lose it, but whoever loses his soul for me will find it. What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?".
Matt 16:25,26.
The soul is mortal ,not immortal. Therefore, man is a soul.
" Jehovah /Yahweh formed the man from the dust & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul."
Gen 2:7.

Remove the breath of life, man is lifeless, a dead soul.

OneJ:



Damosky, your statement. "Jesus is just the omnipotent God in human body " equates with the falsified insertion in 1 Tim 3:16 KJV
"God was manifest in the flesh...."

That is a certified forgery (not in any older Greek manuscripts of the holy scripture, except the textus receptus).
Why do U resort to pass off a lie as truth?

Compare your statement above with Matt 16:13-17. Do U spot the contradiction?

damosky12:



The word Godhead is the Greek word " theotes" which is also derived from the word "theos". I believe you should know what theos mean. It means God Himself.

So in Christ dwelleth the fullness (Greek word " pleroma" meaning Completion or perfection) of God...

"In Christ is God completely projected".

No wonder He said:

John 14:9
[9]...Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


If only you guys can see this...

TATIME:
They have stopped following the 8 OLD MEN IN NEW YORK only to remain isolated with no group to claim as brothers and sisters in Christ and they're bitterly determined to stop others from following the 8 OLD MEN IN NEW YORK. Why? Because the 8 OLD MEN made a lot of FAILED PROPHECIES that their(8 old men) contemporaries strongly believed (not in the presence of this modern day critics) but there are still hundreds of thousands of OLD MEN and WOMEN who witnessed all the supposed FAILED PROPHECIES that are still ACTIVELY following the 8 OLD MEN in New York. Yet those not present back then but ONLY READ about it from publications by CRITICS agreed as TRUE are now AGITATING in behalf of those STILL FOLLOWING the 8 OLD MEN in New York! Is that not amazing? Thanks to Jesus for saying this. Matthew 24:11-14 Whoever has ears let him listen and meditate.

OneJ:


The Greek word " theotes" is not the meaning of "Godhead"
Theotes is an abstract noun & as such refers to a quality rather than an entity.
It is improper to claim it is Godhead.
In fact, the Greek word theos means 'God,' 'gods' or 'deity' or ' deities',Beings that have (or have attributed to them ) the essential nature of a God

"The word Godhead is not good English. It means nothing in itself & conveys no idea to the reader. The Greek manuscript word "theotes" should be rendered "divinity" or ",deity".

In Colossians 2:9, "the Greek word theotes is an abstract noun for theos, the usual Greek word for God " (Greek Lexicon, Bauer,Arndt, Gingrich).
"An abstract noun is one indicating a quality, as goodness, beauty" ( Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary, International Edition).'"
In effect, Colossians 2:9, "Paul means that all the qualities of God dwelt in Christ Jesus our Lord"
Source: https://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/fbf/fulness.html

Apostle Paul never said that Jesus is God rather he had the qualities of his Father, Jehovah.
Likewise Damosky possesses the qualities of his biological Father, but Damosky & his father are different entities.
But he go wan twist am to something else.

In reference to your analogy (bold printed ) in your post , Jesus said "in fact, if you believed Moses,you would believe me"(John 5:46), Damosky , U can now see God indwelling in Moses. Therefore, Moses is God himself.

U go twist this one too?

"Trust in God,trust also in me" John 14:1.


Damosky, Jesus is not the Almighty God, Jehovah. Stop believing in falsehood concocted by man made philosophy.
Shalom.

OneJ:


The Greek word " theotes" is not the meaning of "Godhead"
Theotes is an abstract noun & as such refers to a quality rather than an entity.
It is improper to claim it is Godhead.
In fact, the Greek word theos means 'God,' 'gods' or 'deity' or ' deities',Beings that have (or have attributed to them ) the essential nature of a God

"The word Godhead is not good English. It means nothing in itself & conveys no idea to the reader. The Greek manuscript word "theotes" should be rendered "divinity" or ",deity".

In Colossians 2:9, "the Greek word theotes is an abstract noun for theos, the usual Greek word for God " (Greek Lexicon, Bauer,Arndt, Gingrich).
"An abstract noun is one indicating a quality, as goodness, beauty" ( Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary, International Edition).'"
In effect, Colossians 2:9, "Paul means that all the qualities of God dwelt in Christ Jesus our Lord"
Source: https://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/fbf/fulness.html

Apostle Paul never said that Jesus is God rather he had the qualities of his Father, Jehovah.
Likewise Damosky possesses the qualities of his biological Father, but Damosky & his father are different entities.
But he go wan twist am to something else.

In reference to your analogy (bold printed ) in your post , Jesus said "in fact, if you believed Moses,you would believe me"(John 5:46), Damosky , U can now see God indwelling in Moses. Therefore, Moses is God himself.

U go twist this one too?

"Trust in God,trust also in me" John 14:1.


Damosky, Jesus is not the Almighty God, Jehovah. Stop believing in falsehood concocted by man made philosophy.
Shalom.

damosky12:


The abstractness of "theotes" doesn't alter the fact that it is directly linked to God, being derived from Theos.

Sir, THEOS, means God in the Bible. It was used 1343 times in the KJV of which over 1,300 times, it is used in contexts that refer to God, the supreme Being.

The Col 2:9 context wouldn't use "theotes" (since this connotes divinity) to refer to the a god... If the Theotes were to be substituted for Theos, it will be absurd to think it would mean "god". Which of the gods?

Don't fight it. This means God, the father. The total quality of the Father's personality dwells in Christ. That's what Col 2:9 means.




I love the DEITY synonym. DEITY could refer to " gods". Yet, could refer to God. Hence, would the usage of gods or god fit in the context of that verse?




New International Version says:
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

NLT version says:
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.



New American Standard Bible says:
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,



The fullness of DEITY? Which deity? What is that deity? The Fullness (COMPLETENESS).


That's why you see the likes of NLT say "the fullness of God"




In this particular case, the reason why He had the FULLNESS (the Greek connotes perfect completeness) of God is because He is God in Humanity.

How could damosky possess the complete attributes of His father? That means something else. Don't you think he could only possess a reasonable fraction of his Father's attributes to be different from Him, if he possesses exactly all his Father's attributes, then the father and the son are not different. Think about this.




LOL. Believing Moses had to do with believing what Moses said or did not say.

You could choose to believe or not.

Jesus referred to their disbelief or unacceptance of Moses' prophesies about Jesus (Deut 18: 15,18).

Moses and the Prophets prophesied of the coming of Jesus. That is what Jesus alluded to.
Check this out...

Luke 24:25-27
[25]Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
[26]Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
[27] and beginning at Moses [/b]and all [b] the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Moses spoke about Him. If the Jews believed what Moses said, they'll definitely believe Jesus (since Moses spoke about Him).

This is actually too simple to be confused.







LOL. Kai! Why would He want them to trust in God and Him?

If He were just a mere prophet, what dies He need their trust for?

Actually, the KJV says: "you believe in God, believe in me also". Its simple what it means.... Your believing in God isn't complete except you believe in me.

John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


The man Jesus is 'God put on flesh''. You gotta believe that God came in human flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16
[16]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 1:1-3
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The man said it Himself,

John 14:9
[9]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

It is glaring, sir.

Shalom.

damosky12:


The abstractness of "theotes" doesn't alter the fact that it is directly linked to God, being derived from Theos.

Sir, THEOS, means God in the Bible. It was used 1343 times in the KJV of which over 1,300 times, it is used in contexts that refer to God, the supreme Being.

The Col 2:9 context wouldn't use "theotes" (since this connotes divinity) to refer to the a god... If the Theotes were to be substituted for Theos, it will be absurd to think it would mean "god". Which of the gods?

Don't fight it. This means God, the father. The total quality of the Father's personality dwells in Christ. That's what Col 2:9 means.




I love the DEITY synonym. DEITY could refer to " gods". Yet, could refer to God. Hence, would the usage of gods or god fit in the context of that verse?




New International Version says:
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

NLT version says:
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.



New American Standard Bible says:
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,



The fullness of DEITY? Which deity? What is that deity? The Fullness (COMPLETENESS).


That's why you see the likes of NLT say "the fullness of God"




In this particular case, the reason why He had the FULLNESS (the Greek connotes perfect completeness) of God is because He is God in Humanity.

How could damosky possess the complete attributes of His father? That means something else. Don't you think he could only possess a reasonable fraction of his Father's attributes to be different from Him, if he possesses exactly all his Father's attributes, then the father and the son are not different. Think about this.




LOL. Believing Moses had to do with believing what Moses said or did not say.

You could choose to believe or not.

Jesus referred to their disbelief or unacceptance of Moses' prophesies about Jesus (Deut 18: 15,18).

Moses and the Prophets prophesied of the coming of Jesus. That is what Jesus alluded to.
Check this out...

Luke 24:25-27
[25]Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
[26]Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
[27] and beginning at Moses [/b]and all [b] the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Moses spoke about Him. If the Jews believed what Moses said, they'll definitely believe Jesus (since Moses spoke about Him).

This is actually too simple to be confused.







LOL. Kai! Why would He want them to trust in God and Him?

If He were just a mere prophet, what dies He need their trust for?

Actually, the KJV says: "you believe in God, believe in me also". Its simple what it means.... Your believing in God isn't complete except you believe in me.

John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


The man Jesus is 'God put on flesh''. You gotta believe that God came in human flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16
[16]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 1:1-3
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The man said it Himself,

John 14:9
[9]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

It is glaring, sir.

Shalom.

damosky12:


John 1:1
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 10:30,33
[30]I and my Father are one.

Even the audience got the point simple.

[33]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. .

Abi, you will say "maketh thyself a god"? LOL

WRONG.

The man Jesus is God in human flesh. John 1:1 .

He differs from the ordinary believer. See an instance,

John 14:23
[23]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Note: WE, OUR... He speaks of He (Jesus and God) indwelling a person ... That does not look like a statement from just an ordinary man. Does it?

Can a Christian speak of indwelling a person? No. It takes deity.

So much clue as to the oneness He has with God, that He is one with Him.




As for the will,

John 14:10
[10]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


Apparently, his will is The Father's will. The Father's will is His. No conflict.

He actually is.

John 1:1,3
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


The same one who made all things put on flesh. That is Jesus.

John 1:14
[14]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...

No contest bro.

Take it or keep fighting it

damosky12:


Smiles... You need understanding.

Jeremiah 23:24
[24]Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

Deuteronomy 4:39
[39]Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Exodus 29:45
[45]And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.

Did you see DWELL here too?

You don't need to be rude.
The issue is your understanding of what heaven is.

Heaven, first, is not material... "Our father in heaven" does not mean a God who is confined to time and space... Haba!

The father is in heaven, yet on earth.

"father in heaven" is not to say He us confined or limited to heaven.

Was Jesus praying to an entity within him or his Father in heaven ? [/quote]

LOL. Isn't God a Spirit (John 4:24). What is the difference between this Holy Spirit and Him.

Angels are spirit too , going by your logic holy spirit is an angel.

Really? "FROM HEAVEN"? If so, why does He require the Holy Spirit?
Isn't the Holy Spirit operating on earth?
Isn't the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God?
Isn't God a Spirit?

Here is it:
The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit operates on earth. He is not bound by space and time. Hence, why He can indwell all believers.

God didn't give Jesus His Holy Spirit. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. [highlight] He is Holy Spirit put on flesh...

Luke described the baby Jesus as Holy thing...

Luke 1:35
[35]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Note the Holy Ghost had to come upon and overshadow Mary for this Holy Thing to be born...

He is Holy Spirit incarnate.

He is God incarnate.




He lives in heaven. He live in me too.

I know it will get to this.

So that means holy spirit descending on Jesus is a Lie ? So far Jesus himself is the holyspirit ?

How can holyspirit descend on another holy spirit ?

John 14:23
[23]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


1 Corinthians 6:19
[19]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Note ABODE.

holy spirit proceeds from the Father . John 15:26 that should enlighten you that it doesn't mean the Father himself .

The next...

damosky12:



Simple. The Word (God) put on flesh (John 1:14). The flesh, the body is not God. It is the agency through which God lived like men among men. God is a Spirit

Matthew 20:28
[28]Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

The word LIFE there was rightly translated. Its not soul.

.It is taken from the word psuchē which means "breath of life". It was translated LIFE 40 times in the KJV.

The word is not soul. [b] He gave His life.

The same word was used here...


John 15:13
[13]Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Same applies for Isaiah 53. soul there is taken from the word "nephesh" which originally means breath. The same word is translated LIFE over 100 times.


Psalms 16:10.
[10]For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.



He had a soul even in death...

Besides, the significance of Jesus' death had more to do with the shedding of His blood rather than the "offering of a soul."

Hebrews 10:18-19
[18]Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[19]Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,


Hebrews 9:13-14
[13]For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
[14]How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?



Not the offering of a soul o...

How could damosky possess the complete attributes of His father? That means something else. Don't you think he could only possess a reasonable fraction of his Father's attributes to be different from Him, if he possesses exactly all his Father's attributes, then the father and the son are not different. Think about this.

Barristter07:


Like knowing the day and hour ?

If they are same person, he should know nah .


Cc : OneJ

Barristter07:


This aspect as I said earlier will beautifully expose you .




The strikes out is where your lack of understanding begins, MADE FLESH!!! Not put on



Your Somersault begins.

If he was made flesh and the flesh is not God, Just admit Jesus is not God !



hahaha, smiles . now we are getting there.

It means Soul , agree ?



it was also translated Soul, agree ?

They are playing table tennis with your intelligence .



Greek word psuche meaning

Strongs Concordance
psuché: breath, [/b] the soul [/b]
Original Word: ψυχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: psuché
Phonetic Spelling: (psoo-khay')
Short Definition: the soul, life, self


Do you still allowed your intelligence to be played like tennis ?



That soul at Psalm 16:10 is nephesh as well , just as Isaiah 53:12 . you cant escape that Fact. If not that you allowed your intelligence to be played , you would have seen both are referring to the same thing. His soul ( Hebrew Nephesh, Greek psuche ) was poured to death .

That shows his soul was dead at death, Which brings the vital question: If he was God of Abraham incarnate , [il Does that mean the Father died too when Jesus soul died ?
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Do you now see why I said your intelligence was played like Tennis?

The soul [nephesh] of the flesh is in the blood. Leviticus 17:11

So you can't talk about shedding of his blood without acknowledging his Soul dies !

Barristter07:


" Dwelling PLACE " ?



you missed the point.



Was Jesus praying to an entity within him or his Father in heaven ?



LOL. Isn't God a Spirit (John 4:24). What is the difference between this Holy Spirit and Him.



Angels are spirit too , going by your logic holy spirit is an angel.


Really? "FROM HEAVEN"? If so, why does He require the Holy Spirit?
Isn't the Holy Spirit operating on earth?
Isn't the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God?
Isn't God a Spirit?

Here is it:
The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit operates on earth. He is not bound by space and time. Hence, why He can indwell all believers.

God didn't give Jesus His Holy Spirit. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. [highlight] He is Holy Spirit put on flesh...

Luke described the baby Jesus as Holy thing...

Luke 1:35
[35]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Note the Holy Ghost had to come upon and overshadow Mary for this Holy Thing to be born...

He is God incarnate.




He lives in heaven. He live in me too.



I know it will get to this.

So that means holy spirit descending on Jesus is a Lie ? So far Jesus himself is the holyspirit ?

How can holyspirit descend on another holy spirit ?


John 14:23
[23]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


1 Corinthians 6:19
[19]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Note ABODE.




holy spirit proceeds from the Father . John 15:26 that should enlighten you that it doesn't mean the Father himself .

The next...

There is just one single thing you missed in all of these! You should know as an intelligent creature that as humans we're not created for isolation so we need trusted and reliable companions or friends with whom to share reasonable thoughts. JW organization has given more than 8,000,000 individuals from different countries throughout the earth that opportunity of having such a global family of like minded believers. So before you can say anything worth considering as in a change of heart for a dedicated member of the organization, you must first have a BETTER group to present as another option! Simply telling someone who finds joy and happiness in association of brotherhood that where he/she belongs is wrong without presenting a better option is tantamount to telling a naked man who keeps himself warm in a little hut to leave the cover only to come out and stay in the open icy cold weather in Norway! Please try to present a better organization or group because that was exactly what Jesus did for Jews whom He said were like herds of skinned sheep without a shepherd! God bless you Sir.

There is just one single thing you missed in all of these! You should know as an intelligent creature that as humans we're not created for isolation so we need trusted and reliable companions or friends with whom to share reasonable thoughts. JW organization has given more than 8,000,000 individuals from different countries throughout the earth that opportunity of having such a global family of like minded believers. So before you can say anything worth considering as in a change of heart for a dedicated member of the organization, you must first have a BETTER group to present as another option! Simply telling someone who finds joy and happiness in association of brotherhood that where he/she belongs is wrong without presenting a better option is tantamount to telling a naked man who keeps himself warm in a little hut to leave the cover only to come out and stay in the open icy cold weather in Norway! Please try to present a better organization or group because that was exactly what Jesus did for Jews whom He said were like herds of skinned sheep without a shepherd! God bless you Sir.

RussellRutherfo:

Any JW can be called up and they would give exactly the reasons you wrote here to justify why they must remain in the lying organization.

MaxInDHouse:
Why not answer the simple question?

RussellRutherfo:



John 17:21 NKJV — “that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

Jesus talking to you that He is inside Jehovah and Jehovah is inside Him. Jesus even goes further by saying US.

JWs lie against Jehovah and HIS Word, Jesus Christ.

OneJ:



Barrister07 is on point

U offer your soul meaning U offered your life. That is ,U sacrificed your life or soul for a cause.
The same Greek word means life or soul.
Jesus said:
"Whoever wants to save his soul will lose it, but whoever loses his soul for me will find it. What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?".
Matt 16:25,26.
The soul is mortal ,not immortal. Therefore, man is a soul.
"( Jehovah /Yahweh) formed the man from the dust & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul."
Gen 2:7(KJV )

Remove the breath of life, man is lifeless, a dead soul.

Immortal soul is a man made fallacy passed off as Christian / biblical teaching.

"The only Hebrew word traditionally translated as soul (nephesh) refers to a living, breathing conscious body,rather than to an immortal soul.
In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated as soul "psyche" has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, with out reference to an immortal soul".
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_in_the_Bible

MaxInDHouse:
Chai see your condition!

Well Jesus said:

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one" John 17:20-22

Throughout the earth there are individuals who strongly believe in the oneness of thought these are the ones making it into JW group, but now that you're saying JW lied.
Please can you PRESENT a better performing group whose members have that unique quality (oneness in thought) that attracted interested persons to join JWs?

That's the simple question, we've heard your complaints against JWs because you've been saying and repeating all over this forum for years now.

Can you now answer the question?

RussellRutherfo:

Everytime, present a better cult than JW organization. is that the only question that you crammed from JW babble tracts?

MaxInDHouse:


I am Maximus, i know the only key that will render all your criticism useless and fruitless!
You yourself quoted Jesus' words @ John 17:21 but failed woefully to apply it.
Do you believe that Jesus a real historical figure? if you do you should be able to prove it by PRESENTING the group having the unique quality Jesus fervently prayed for which is ONENESS IN THOUGHT! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2
I am PRESENTING to the whole world the one and only group of people formed by individuals from different races throughout the earth having the same line of thought just as Jesus begged his father:

"Jehovah's Witnesses"

So prove to everyone that you believe in Jesus by PRESENTING the group you know that's fulfilling what Jesus begged his father for otherwise you're indirectly telling everyone that Jesus was a Joke!

RussellRutherfo:


MaxInDHouse. Don't be angry.

©Have you ever heard Ogboni members lie that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914? Or that millions living now will never Die? Or changes on Blood transfusion or that Jesus should be worshipped then later Jesus should not be worshipped?, Etcetera.

Please, tell me why even the weakest of Satan's groups like the Ogboni group are not even better than JW who have blasphemed Jehovah repeatedly. Do you know that Ogboni members love themselves more than any JW would ever do to each other?!!

Every time you and looking for another Denialist Cult you would join. Read the Bible for yourself. You said no. Say na only after Stephen Lett read finish and tell you what he thinks before you would accept the "truth".

Did you in anyway see this place as you crammed from the JW website.

Philippians 2:6 NLT — Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.


I know the WT had this changed in their translation but did you in anyway see that?

MaxInDHouse:
Angry for what?
In fact i should be the one apologizing for giving you all these headache by insisting that this people are the best as far as i understand!

You mentioned my name along with other JWs on this forum that we don't want to agree with you that the Watchtower is lying, you even labeled the group as Ògbóni.

I'm telling you now that me Maximus have heard all your complaints and accusations against the Watchtower but you too just need to do me a favour by proving that Jesus is a real historical figure?

Note that Jesus is no more present physically here today and the only EVIDENCE everyone have is what was written in that book called "Bible", but JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization claimed that this same Jesus returned to this planet (invisibly) in the year 1914 and ever since then has been working with them.

Of course no sane human will agree with that without something visible nah?
So to buttress their point JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES claimed that Jesus began correcting all their misconceptions ever since the year 1914, with all what you've been posting on this forum it's clear that this group kept making changes in their former believes so it's EVIDENT that they're still on track!

Note that Jesus is a perfect person and according to what was recorded in the Bible, his first century Jewish followers had lots of issues in understanding this perfect man.
Of course you can't expect his 21th century followers to easily grab what he is teaching them most especially now that he's not physically present with them!
According to the JWs who claimed that Jesus is working with them as an invisible Mighty Spirit King, there are many things they're trying to correct in their former understanding of God's word before 1914, and since that year Jesus had to start correcting them gradually.

Jesus himself said that Satan will cause so much confusion by multiplying sects claiming Christians {Matthew 24:11} he said by their FRUITS you will IDENTIFY his own true followers {Matthew 7:16-18} and so far so good this group (JWs) are the one and only group having LOVE permeating their gathering throughout the earth {John 13:34-35} and they're all having the same line of thought just as Jesus prayed for! John 17:20-23
So instead of repeating yourself over and over again about their past errors which they've smartly attributed to corrections going on as their invisible Mighty Spirit King Jesus is working with them. Why not PRESENT another group meeting up with the expected FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit?
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL Galatians 5:22-23
No human on this planet have all these qualities in complete but within the organization of JWs the whole world can SEE all these qualities permeating their gathering despite the fact that these people are imperfect humans like everyone else! Matthew 5:13-16
So please prove that what they're claiming is false not by repeating yourself but by PRESENTING another group having these qualities.
At last i Maximus can go and say "shame onto you Watchtower and your GB, i've found another group that's performing LIKE YOU" even if i can't find one better than them!

RussellRutherfo:

What Goodness is this to their eternity knowing that they died practicing the falsehood of WT that are now changed. Will old Jehovah Witnesses who died worshipping Jesus before WT changed this later be resurrected?

Do you know how to solve a problem? You go to the taproot and deal with it. Then the problem will be forever solved.

I don't want to join issues with the Jws, if I were to, I would ignore them and focus on the teachings of the WatchTower, which is the root cause of their insanity.
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I honestly didn't want to join issues with these guys, but their boldness in quoting the scriptures was annoying, considering the foundation on which they stand.
I have so many of their false teachings to bring up here but let me rest for now.

Like Pul says in Romans 10:1-3
10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

These guys zeal and foundation is not built on truth and righteousness of God ................................................................

Russell I know, Rutherford I know,
WHO ARE YOU Janosky?
WHO ARE YOU MaxInDHouse?

"God gave Brother Russell (not Janosky or MaxInDHouse) to the church to be the *mouthpiece* for him; and those (e.g. Janosky and MaxInDHouse) who claim to have learned the truth apart from *Brother Russell* and his writings have been manifested by the Lord as "deceivers", ready to lead the flock of God in their way." (The Watchtower, September 15, 1922 page 279)

****** WATCHTOWER VERDICT******
THE WORLD WAS DESTROYED
......... AND ENDED IN 1914.............
"Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the battle of the great day of God Almighty (Revelation 16:14), which will end in 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word"
(The Time Is At Hand, 1888-1911 edition - page 101).

****** WATCHTOWER VERDICT******
THE WORLD WAS DESTROYED
......... AND ENDED IN 1914.............
"The date of the close of that battle is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning date from October 1874(The Watchtower, January 15, 1892, page 22).

****** WATCHTOWER VERDICT******
THE WORLD WAS DESTROYED
......... AND ENDED IN 1914.............
"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble"(The Watchtower, July 15, 1892, page 22).

****** WATCHTOWER VERDICT******
THE WORLD WAS DESTROYED
......... AND ENDED IN 1914.............
"The present great war in Europe (reference to Word War I) is the beginning of Armageddon of the Scriptures" (Pastor Russell's Sermons, 1917)

****** WATCHTOWER VERDICT******
THE WORLD WAS DESTROYED
......... AND ENDED IN 1914.............
"That the Lord must be present and set up his kingdom, and exercise his great power so as to dash the nations to pieces as a potter's vessel, is then clearly fixed; for it is 'in the days of these kings' - before their overthrow - i.e., before A.D. 1914 - that the God of heaven will set up His Kingdom" (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol. II, page 170).

****** WATCHTOWER VERDICT******
THE WORLD WAS DESTROYED
......... AND ENDED IN 1914.............
"Remember that the forty years of Jewish harvest ended October, A.D. 69, and was followed by the complete overthrow of that nation; and that likewise the forty years of the Gospel age harvest will end October 1914, and that likewise the overthrow of Christendom, so called, must be expected to immediately follow" (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol. II, page 245)

****** WATCHTOWER VERDICT******
ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB ARE VISIBLY IN THE WORLD SINCE 1925
"Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will remark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews chapter eleven, to the condition of human perfection" (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, pages 89, 90)