| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 2:12pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Jozzy4:
Jesus never said I and the Father are ONE GOD.
Get that !!
He says one, just as his disciples are one. Doesn't mean Peter is John or John is Peter . grow up Damosky12
Wat else to even expect from somebody that lies that Jesus is. The. God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob 
If Jesus is the God od Abraham , Isaac and Jacob , who is the servant called Jesus ? Let me join you in laughing 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 2:47pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
damosky12:
That was a CLEAR contextual exegesis... You probably couldn't read through.
cc: Jozzy4, OneJ Here is what you called contextual exegesis damosky12
What Jesus replied with can be understood in context... " If the scriptures call mere men God, how would you say to the one who came from God because [s] He says He us God incarnate (One with God). [/s]
If this striked out is what you and the Jews Erroneously understand, its strictly your problem . He never said that . you Liars
John 17:22 throws light on what Jesus meant by been one . he says " I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one JUST AS we are one "
If your flawed thinking was correct, it would mean all the disciples are also God incarnate . emphasis on " Just as " . Can you see the stupidity of that logic?
Oneness signifies unity of purpose , just as a couple becomes one . doesn't mean they are same persons , but now unified in purpose .
LOL. He is happy. He thinks he just gave a good shot. Infantile...
Humiliate yourself the more , that verse he gave should have made you eat your words if you are honest and sincere
You didn't need Acts 3:13 to make your point na.... Even John 3:16 speaks of God and Jesus. He calls Jesus His Son, not servant this time... Jesus spoke several times about the father. This itself implies that they are separate? Doesn't it?
Apply common sense now...
John 1:1,3,14
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
The WORD was God (you guys contest this
though). The WORD was in involved in the creation of ALL THINGS.
[14]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
That same Word (which is God), for the sake of washing away the sins of man, became flesh (man)... The man it became is Jesus.
That Jesus (though being God) became man. It is the MAN he became that makes Him called a "servant", " son", "only begotten" of God. The humanity of Jesus is what Peter spoke about there in Acts 3.
Been called God or not is not the issue here . as shown previously Many people are called God
The KEY ISSUE is: Who is identified as the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?
Your post FAIL Woefully! To address that.
Note, it is the same Jesus that said:
John 14:9
[9he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
How? See...
Okay, let us see
John 17:21
[21]...that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
What is One? How could just any servant be ONE with God? You know what ONE is?
Yet again,
John 10:30
[30]I and my Father are one.
Even the Jews (the adherents of the law themselves) got the message here...
You know what ONE is?
One is ONE. ONE can not mean Two o. It can not mean separation o. ONE is 1.
Its like you closed your eyes when reading the Red part ?
NLT says " pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me."
Going by your logic, He who has seen the disciples have seen the Father ? Are they not also in the Father ?
Despite you still fail to address the key question that will expose your claim on Exodus 3:14,15
If God became flesh, that flesh could be said to be sent from God (came to fulfill HIS will), yet, that flesh is still God. That flesh is ONE with God.
Mary then automatically gives birth to God ?
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob came as a man.
No! His servant Jesus became a man. " ... glorified his Servant Jesus" Act 3:13
That He became man (though the man came to do His will; servant)
Can you see your life ? [i] God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob IS NOT a servant to do anyone's will
implies that the man He became is ONE with Him. He is the man, the man is Him.
Hope you comprehend.
You have any issue with this, be specific which area and let's iron it out.
Selah.
7 Gbosa for you . Big Liar .
where in Act 3:13 did it say the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob became a servant? |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Hairyrapunzel: 3:18pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Barristter07:
cc: Jozzy4, OneJ
Here is what you called contextual exegesis
If this striked out is what you and the Jews Erroneously understand, its strictly your problem . He never said that . you Liars
John 17:22 throws light on what Jesus meant by been one . he says " I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one JUST AS we are one "
If your flawed thinking was correct, it would mean all the disciples are also God incarnate . emphasis on " Just as " . Can you see the stupidity of that logic?
Oneness signifies unity of purpose , just as a couple becomes one . doesn't mean they are same persons , but now unified in purpose .
Humiliate yourself the more , that verse he gave should have made you eat your words if you are honest and sincere
Been called God or not is not the issue here . as shown previously Many people are called God
The KEY ISSUE is: Who is identified as the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?
Your post FAIL Woefully! To address that.
Okay, let us see
Its like you closed your eyes when reading the Red part ?
NLT says " pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me."
Going by your logic, He who has seen the disciples have seen the Father ? Are they not also in the Father ?
Despite you still fail to address the key question that will expose your claim on Exodus 3:14,15
Mary then automatically gives birth to God ?
No! His servant Jesus became a man.
" ... glorified his Servant Jesus" Act 3:13
Can you see your life ?
God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob IS NOT a servant to do anyone's will
7 Gbosa for you . Big Liar .
where in Act 3:13 did it say the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob became a servant? See someone saying another persons thinking is flawed giving us the thinking and teaching and reasoning of 8 old imperfect, uninspired, fallible men who err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction. Lol Pot calling kettle black. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Hairyrapunzel: 3:23pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Barristter07:
cc: Jozzy4, OneJ
Here is what you called contextual exegesis
If this striked out is what you and the Jews Erroneously understand, its strictly your problem . He never said that . you Liars
John 17:22 throws light on what Jesus meant by been one . he says " I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one JUST AS we are one "
If your flawed thinking was correct, it would mean all the disciples are also God incarnate . emphasis on " Just as " . Can you see the stupidity of that logic?
Oneness signifies unity of purpose , just as a couple becomes one . doesn't mean they are same persons , but now unified in purpose .
Humiliate yourself the more , that verse he gave should have made you eat your words if you are honest and sincere
Been called God or not is not the issue here . as shown previously Many people are called God
The KEY ISSUE is: Who is identified as the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?
Your post FAIL Woefully! To address that.
Okay, let us see
Its like you closed your eyes when reading the Red part ?
NLT says " pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me."
Going by your logic, He who has seen the disciples have seen the Father ? Are they not also in the Father ?
Despite you still fail to address the key question that will expose your claim on Exodus 3:14,15
Mary then automatically gives birth to God ?
No! His servant Jesus became a man.
" ... glorified his Servant Jesus" Act 3:13
Can you see your life ?
God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob IS NOT a servant to do anyone's will
7 Gbosa for you . Big Liar .
where in Act 3:13 did it say the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob became a servant? When you quote verses use them in the context in which they are use. Verses shouldn't be used in isolation to draw your conclusion that Jesus is not God Acts 3:13-16 13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go. 14 You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. 15 [b]You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. [/b]We are witnesses of this. 16 By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see. So Jesus is the holy righteous one and also the author of life? Interesting |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by damosky12(m): 3:44pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Barristter07:
cc: Jozzy4, OneJ
Here is what you called contextual exegesis
If this striked out is what you and the Jews Erroneously understand, its strictly your problem . He never said that . you Liars
John 17:22 throws light on what Jesus meant by been one . he says " I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one JUST AS we are one "
If your flawed thinking was correct, it would mean all the disciples are also God incarnate . emphasis on " Just as " . Can you see the stupidity of that logic?
Oneness signifies unity of purpose , just as a couple becomes one . doesn't mean they are same persons , but now unified in purpose .
What did Jesus mean? Context will bail you out... John 17:22-23 [22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: [23] I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. The context does not define the unity there as "Oneness signifies unity of purpose....". That is highly pedestrian and completely out of context. Jesus and God had right from the beginning been One as He often asserted. The disciples becoming one as He is ONE with God implies HIS residence in each of them (remember He us one with the father). Apparently, He spoke of God dwelling in them through the Holy Spirit. The use of THEM is clearly not collective but individual. When Jesus said " I in them, you in me"... He didn't speak of living collectively in the disciples. He spoke of dwelling in each of them... Besides, come to think of it, how come Jesus, a mere "servant of God", spoke of dwelling in disciples? Jesus expressed this a number of times... John 14:18-20 [18]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [19]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. [20]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. How come He with father is present in the disciples? GOD and his servant both living in one person? . Not funny though. My submission, when Jesus said " I and my father are One". He didn't mean anything asides, "as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee". John 17:21 They are IN EACH OTHER. Anybody who ever went to school should know what that means...
Been called God or not is not the issue here . as shown previously Many people are called God
The KEY ISSUE is: Who is identified as the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?
Your post FAIL Woefully! To address that.
Haba! Fear God na. I did. Let's make it simpler... Jesus said in John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and the Father (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Who then is Jesus if the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lives is in Him and he (Jesus) lives in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Who is Jesus if the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was the one responsible for both the Words He spoke and the actions He took? Think about it and then rethink John 1:1.
Its like you closed your eyes when reading the Red part ?
NLT says " pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me."
Haba! Think na... "that they may be one IN US". The reason why they are one is because they are IN US (God and Jesus are already ONE). The reason why they will be one is because they will be IN US (One). One inside one is ONE na. You didn't need to make a case of that. Be calm.
Going by your logic, He who has seen the disciples have seen the Father ? Are they not also in the Father ?
Despite you still fail to address the key question that will expose your claim on Exodus 3:14,15
Mary then automatically gives birth to God ?
No! His servant Jesus became a man.
" ... glorified his Servant Jesus" Act 3:13
The servant and the sender are ONE. . The servant is IN the sender. The sender (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) is in the servant. They had always been in each other. Think. John knew it. "and the Word was God" (John 1:1). Both the Word and His Owner are One. English language.
7 Gbosa for you . Big Liar .
where in Act 3:13 did it say the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob became a servant?
You could be a little more cautious. I think they teach you that in church. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is one with His servant, Jesus. They have always been in each other. They have always been inseparable. John 17:21,23-24 [21]That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. [23]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. [24]Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. God came in a man, the man is Jesus. SELAH guys. Got better things to do. |
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| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Nobody: 5:19pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Most people just feel like arguing so there's no need wasting one's precious time on them,if they believe what their pastors taught them it's OK. The Good News of God's Kingdom will only "serve as a witness onto them" that's what Jesus said. Matthew 24:14 2 Likes |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Jozzy4: 7:54pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Barristter07:
cc: Jozzy4, OneJ
Here is what you called contextual exegesis
If this striked out is what you and the Jews Erroneously understand, its strictly your problem . He never said that . you Liars
John 17:22 throws light on what Jesus meant by been one . he says " I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one JUST AS we are one "
If your flawed thinking was correct, it would mean all the disciples are also God incarnate . emphasis on " Just as " . Can you see the stupidity of that logic?
Oneness signifies unity of purpose , just as a couple becomes one . doesn't mean they are same persons , but now unified in purpose .
Humiliate yourself the more , that verse he gave should have made you eat your words if you are honest and sincere
Been called God or not is not the issue here . as shown previously Many people are called God
The KEY ISSUE is: Who is identified as the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?
Your post FAIL Woefully! To address that.
Okay, let us see
Its like you closed your eyes when reading the Red part ?
NLT says " pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me."
Going by your logic, He who has seen the disciples have seen the Father ? Are they not also in the Father ?
Despite you still fail to address the key question that will expose your claim on Exodus 3:14,15
Mary then automatically gives birth to God ?
No! His servant Jesus became a man.
" ... glorified his Servant Jesus" Act 3:13
Can you see your life ?
God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob IS NOT a servant to do anyone's will
7 Gbosa for you . Big Liar .
where in Act 3:13 did it say the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob became a servant? Sense. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Jozzy4: 7:57pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
damosky12:
What did Jesus mean? Context will bail you out...
John 17:22-23
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
[23] I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
The context does not define the unity there as "Oneness signifies unity of purpose....". That is highly pedestrian and completely out of context.
Jesus and God had right from the beginning been One as He often asserted.
The disciples becoming one as He is ONE with God implies HIS residence in each of them (remember He us one with the father). Apparently, He spoke of God dwelling in them through the Holy Spirit. The use of THEM is clearly not collective but individual.
When Jesus said " I in them, you in me"... He didn't speak of living collectively in the disciples. He spoke of dwelling in each of them...
Besides, come to think of it, how come Jesus, a mere "servant of God", spoke of dwelling in disciples?
Jesus expressed this a number of times...
John 14:18-20
[18]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[19]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
[20]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
How come He with father is present in the disciples?
GOD and his servant both living in one person? . Not funny though.
My submission, when Jesus said " I and my father are One". He didn't mean anything asides,
"as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee". John 17:21 They are IN EACH OTHER.
Anybody who ever went to school should know what that means...
Haba! Fear God na.
I did.
Let's make it simpler...
Jesus said in John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and the Father (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Who then is Jesus if the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lives is in Him and he (Jesus) lives in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Who is Jesus if the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was the one responsible for both the Words He spoke and the actions He took?
Think about it and then rethink John 1:1.
Haba! Think na... "that they may be one IN US".
The reason why they are one is because they are IN US (God and Jesus are already ONE). The reason why they will be one is because they will be IN US (One).
One inside one is ONE na. You didn't need to make a case of that. Be calm.
The servant and the sender are ONE. .
The servant is IN the sender. The sender (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) is in the servant. They had always been in each other. Think.
John knew it. "and the Word was God" (John 1:1). Both the Word and His Owner are One.
English language.
You could be a little more cautious. I think they teach you that in church.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is one with His servant, Jesus.
They have always been in each other. They have always been inseparable.
John 17:21,23-24
[21]That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[23]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
[24]Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
God came in a man, the man is Jesus.
SELAH guys. Got better things to do. Literally in each other , some people lack sense So which means When Jesus died , The Father also died for three days? At least you are finally forced to acknowledge that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Father . And Jesus is NoT the Father . that destroy your I AM argument . Jesus is not the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob 1 Like |
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| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 8:13pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
damosky12:
What did Jesus mean? Context will bail you out...
John 17:22-23
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
[23] I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
The context does not define the unity there as "Oneness signifies unity of purpose....". That is highly pedestrian and completely out of context.
Jesus and God had right from the beginning been One as He often asserted.
The disciples becoming one as He is ONE with God implies HIS residence in each of them (remember He us one with the father). Apparently, He spoke of God dwelling in them through the Holy Spirit. The use of THEM is clearly not collective but individual.
When Jesus said " I in them, you in me"... He didn't speak of living collectively in the disciples. He spoke of dwelling in each of them...
Besides, come to think of it, how come Jesus, a mere "servant of God", spoke of dwelling in disciples?
Jesus expressed this a number of times...
John 14:18-20
[18]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[19]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
[20]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
How come He with father is present in the disciples?
GOD and his servant both living in one person? . Not funny though.
My submission, when Jesus said " I and my father are One". He didn't mean anything asides,
"as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee". John 17:21 They are IN EACH OTHER.
Anybody who ever went to school should know what that means...
Haba! Fear God na.
I did.
Let's make it simpler...
Jesus said in John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and the Father (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Who then is Jesus if the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lives is in Him and he (Jesus) lives in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Who is Jesus if the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was the one responsible for both the Words He spoke and the actions He took?
Think about it and then rethink John 1:1.
Haba! Think na... "that they may be one IN US".
The reason why they are one is because they are IN US (God and Jesus are already ONE). The reason why they will be one is because they will be IN US (One).
One inside one is ONE na. You didn't need to make a case of that. Be calm.
The servant and the sender are ONE. .
The servant is IN the sender. The sender (God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) is in the servant. They had always been in each other. Think.
John knew it. "and the Word was God" (John 1:1). Both the Word and His Owner are One.
English language.
You could be a little more cautious. I think they teach you that in church.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is one with His servant, Jesus.
They have always been in each other. They have always been inseparable.
John 17:21,23-24
[21]That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[23]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
[24]Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
God came in a man, the man is Jesus.
SELAH guys. Got better things to do. Good you finally admit the Father is the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob . clearly then Jesus is not the I am that I am , The God of Abraham .
You shifted the goalpost to been in each other makes them same person , Which is senseless . Let me show you how senseless your postulation sounds. Emphasis on the Bolded purple. If Jesus dwell in his disciples, does that make them Jesus ? If Jesus disciples are One JUST AS Jesus and his Father are one , does that mean the disciples are as well God incarnates? Emphasis on " Just as " or in the same way . 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Oneboypikin: 8:20pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
You these Fuc.king BASTARDs called Jehovah Witnesses from Elderly to young Boys don't know anything yet
SOBs! Bleep each and every one of you Judgmental and Wicked SickFucks shall see |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 8:34pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
damosky12
The disciples becoming one as He is ONE with God implies HIS residence in each of them (remember He us one with the father). Apparently, He spoke of God dwelling in them through the Holy Spirit. The use of THEM is clearly not collective but individual.
Apply the same to God dwelling in Jesus , will you ? He testified while reading Isaiah scroll that the holy spirit is upon him
Be ready to apply same to Jesus.
Why did the Father spoke from heaven and not from Jesus mouth if he literally was within Jesus ? our father in heaven says Jesus in prayer . not Father inside of me .
Jozzy4 asked a very logical question I will want you to answer : If they are one in the sense you acknowledged, What happen to the Father wen the son died for three days ?
This one you enter ehn, na real case 2 Likes |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by OneJ: 9:05pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Oneboypikin:
You these Fuc.king BASTARDs called Jehovah Witnesses from Elderly to young Boys don't know anything yet
SOBs! Bleep each and every one of you Judgmental and Wicked SickFucks shall see "Offspring of vipers,how can you speak good things when you are wicked? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks..... for by your words you will be declared righteous, and by your words you will be condemned" Matt 12:34-37. Shalom. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Hairyrapunzel: 9:16pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Barristter07:
Apply the same to God dwelling in Jesus , will you ? He testified while reading Isaiah scroll that the holy spirit is upon him
Be ready to apply same to Jesus.
Why did the Father spoke from heaven and not from Jesus mouth if he literally was within Jesus ? our father in heaven says Jesus in prayer . not Father inside of me .
Jozzy4 asked a very logical question I will want you to answer : If they are one in the sense you acknowledged, What happen to the Father wen the son died for three days ?
This one you enter ehn, na real case Jesus was teaching his disciples how to pray. Don't twist a verse to make your assumed doctrine acceptable |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Hairyrapunzel: 9:18pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Jozzy4:
Literally in each other , some people lack sense
So which means When Jesus died , The Father also died for three days?
At least you are finally forced to acknowledge that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Father .
And Jesus is NoT the Father . that destroy your I AM argument .
Jesus is not the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob The father and the son are one. You and your imperfect uninspired fallible men who err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction cannot change that fact. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by OneJ: 9:34pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
damosky12:
Stop being unfair. I showed you a quote from Wikipedia's analysis of Ehyeh which would help us understand if "Ehyeh asher Ehyer" is a verbal construction or not...
Now, here is the quote again:
"Ehyeh is the first person form of hayah , "to be", and owing to the peculiarities of Hebrew grammar means both "I am", "I was", and "I will be" . Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am
Our discussion should be whether or not you are right and Wikipedia is wrong.
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Let's stop going over the same thing over and over. Ehyeh refers to the Being of the subject in question. Its hard to relate it directly into English but it can aptly be seen as "I be"
If you did a bit of language examination, you'll know each language has peculiar idiosyncrasies. Hence, for the sake of translation, there is need for little alterations towards having the same meaning intended by the original language... Igbo to English for instance, it may not always be translated the way it was said, but it is aimed at producing the same meaning intended in Igbo.
Same with the issue at hand... Every major Bible translation has "I am that I am" or something close to it.
The word Godhead is the Greek word " theotes" which is also derived from the word "theos". I believe you should know what theos mean. It means God Himself.
So in Christ dwelleth the fullness (Greek word " pleroma" meaning Completion or perfection) of God...
"In Christ is God completely projected".
No wonder He said:
John 14:9
[9]...Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
If only you guys can see this...
According to your assertion copied from wikipedia , "Ehyeh is the first person form of hayah ,owing to the peculiarities of Hebrew grammar means both "I am", I was, and I will be". In other words, the word "Ehyeh " & its cousin "hayah " , has three meanings that contradicts each other. That is " I am" ( present tense wey no dey Hebrew language). "I was" past tense " I will be" (future tense). Damosky, that amounts to intellectual fraud. Whoever postulates that view needs to see a shrink. No scholarly Hebrew lexicon in any way linked both words "ehyeh" & "hayah" to have the same meaning |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Hairyrapunzel: 9:49pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
OneJ:
According to your assertion copied from wikipedia , "Ehyeh is the first person form of hayah ,owing to the peculiarities of Hebrew grammar means both "I am", I was, and I will be".
In other words, the word "Ehyeh " & its cousin "hayah " , has three meanings that contradicts each other.
That is " I am" ( present tense wey no dey Hebrew language).
"I was" past tense
" I will be" (future tense).
Damosky, that amounts to intellectual fraud. Whoever postulates that view needs to see a shrink.
No scholarly Hebrew lexicon in any way linked both words "ehyeh" & "hayah" to have the same meaning
So at the end of the day you want to justify teaching done by imperfect, uninspired and fallible men who reside in new York and head a publishing company/corporation who say they err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction? You want to justify billions dying because they didn't identify and pay allegiance to a new York based publishing company called watchtower organization? You want to justify Jesus coming invisibly in 1914 to choose watchtower organization as its one true religion on earth? You want to justify 8 old imperfect uninspired fallible men saying they are the only channel of communication between God and man today? And if you don't obey them you get slaughtered by their all loving jehovah in Armageddon? You want to justify watchtower magazine teaching on overlapping generation? You guys are just being too desperate. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by damosky12(m): 10:30pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Barristter07:
Good you finally admit the Father is the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob . clearly then Jesus is not the I am that I am , The God of Abraham .
You shifted the goalpost to been in each other makes them same person , Which is senseless .
Let me show you how senseless your postulation sounds. Emphasis on the Bolded purple.
If Jesus dwell in his disciples, does that make them Jesus ?
If Jesus disciples are One JUST AS Jesus and his Father are one , does that mean the disciples are as well God incarnates? Emphasis on " Just as " or in the same way .
I had to show up again to answer this question which I see to be quite genuine and sensible of all...
if Jesus disciples are One JUST AS Jesus and his Father are one , does that mean the disciples are as well God incarnates? Exactly. Have you ever considered why the church is called the body of Christ? Romans 12:5 [5] So we, being many, are one body [//b] in Christ, and every one members one of another.
1 Corinthians 10:17
[17]For we being many are one bread, and [b] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. 1 Corinthians 12:20 [20]But now are they many members, yet but one body. Colossians 3:15 [15]And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Also, consider how the Christian is described: Galatians 3:27 [27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:15-17 [15]Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. [16]What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. [17] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Note ONE all through. By being in Christ (who is God), the believer's Spirit and God's Spirit is ONE. Lucid enough. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by damosky12(m): 11:05pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
Barristter07:
Apply the same to God dwelling in Jesus , will you ? He testified while reading Isaiah scroll that the holy spirit is upon him
Be ready to apply same to Jesus.
Why did the Father spoke from heaven and not from Jesus mouth if he literally was within Jesus ? our father in heaven says Jesus in prayer . not Father inside of me .
Jozzy4 asked a very logical question I will want you to answer : If they are one in the sense you acknowledged, What happen to the Father wen the son died for three days ?
This one you enter ehn, na real case I'll choose to answer this too. You have to understand that heaven is not some physical place somewhere that the father was confined to... That is why the father could animate and indwell Jesus and still somewhere else. That's why Jesus could speak of the father as the one who lived in and acted through Him (John 14:10) and yet in heaven... That God became a man does not mean He ceased to be God or ceased from His omnipotence... Jesus is just the omnipotent God in human body. No confusion. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by OneJ: 11:24pm On Aug 30, 2018 |
damosky12:
I'll choose to answer this too.
You have to understand that heaven is not some physical place somewhere that the father was confined to... That is why the father could animate and indwell Jesus and still somewhere else.
That's why Jesus could speak of the father as the one who lived in and acted through Him (John 14:10) and yet in heaven...
That God became a man does not mean He ceased to be God or ceased from His omnipotence...
Jesus is just the omnipotent God in human body. No confusion.
Damosky, your statement. "Jesus is just the omnipotent God in human body " equates with the falsified insertion in 1 Tim 3:16 KJV "God was manifest in the flesh...." That is a certified forgery(not in any older Greek manuscripts of the holy scripture). Why do U resort to pass off a lie as truth? Compare your statement above with Matt 16:13-17. Do U spot the contradiction? |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Oneboypikin: 7:02am On Aug 31, 2018 |
OneJ:
"Offspring of vipers,how can you speak good things when you are wicked? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks..... for by your words you will be declared righteous, and by your words you will be condemned" Matt 12:34-37.
Shalom. You are telling me this Rubbish, Me? I'm one 100% sure you must be terrible Judgmental self righteous individual in Real life |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 9:40am On Aug 31, 2018 |
damosky12:
I'll choose to answer this too.
You have to understand that heaven is not some physical place somewhere that the father was confined to... That is why the father could animate and indwell Jesus and still somewhere else.
Where is his throne ? Within Jesus ? Sense please . Oga The Father dwells on his throne in heaven , He spoke from there . not within Jesus. Na wetin false believes dey cause be this. You can see your life now.
That's why Jesus could speak of the father as the one who lived in and acted through Him (John 14:10) and yet in heaven...
That God became a man does not mean He ceased to be God or ceased from His omnipotence...
Jesus is just the omnipotent God in human body. No confusion.
You never answered the question: If they are one and same , Does the Father died when Jesus died ? 2 Likes |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 9:43am On Aug 31, 2018 |
damosky12:
I had to show up again to answer this question which I see to be quite genuine and sensible of all...
Exactly. Have you ever considered why the church is called the body of Christ?
Romans 12:5
[5] So we, being many, are one body [//b] in Christ, and every one members one of another.
1 Corinthians 10:17
[17]For we being many are one bread, and [b] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 12:20
[20]But now are they many members, yet but one body.
Colossians 3:15
[15]And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Also, consider how the Christian is described:
Galatians 3:27
[27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
1 Corinthians 6:15-17
[15]Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
[16]What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
[17] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Note ONE all through.
By being in Christ (who is God), the believer's Spirit and God's Spirit is ONE.
Lucid enough.
O ma se o So all disciples are GOD incarnates too, Almighty Gods , Eeyah . Millonity will be a better word than trinity don't you think , since your God incarnates are now Millions of disciples ! 2 Likes |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by OneJ: 10:08am On Aug 31, 2018 |
Oneboypikin:
You are telling me this Rubbish, Me?
I'm one 100% sure you must be terrible Judgmental self righteous individual in Real life Go back & read your mumu post laced with vulgar ,explicitly graphic hate speech. Are U not a "terrible Judgemental self righteous " bigot? Pls repent. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by damosky12(m): 10:47am On Aug 31, 2018 |
Barristter07:
Where is his throne ? Within Jesus ? Sense please
.
Oga The Father dwells on his throne in heaven , He spoke from there . not within Jesus.
Try add some plausibility and reasonability to your sarcasm. Is the father confined to "His throne?" I used the word confined. How could the father be in His throne yet indwell Jesus if He just can't be on His throne and somewhere else at a time? Don't you think the father will be bound by time. matter and space if we were to go by your assumptions?
Na wetin false believes dey cause be this. You can see your life now.
You never answered the question: If they are one and same , Does the Father died when Jesus died ?
When Jesus died, He (who is God Himself in human body) was only separated from the body. Of course you have to understand that death is separation from the body. So, what makes Jesus' death real is the fact that he had a body. Hence, His death was material (had to do with matter: his body). Besides, Jesus is only known as Jesus because of the body. It is the body that defines "God putting on flesh". When Jesus died, the body died, He (the Spirit) was. Hebrews 10:10 [10]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. So asking if God died when Jesus died is absurd. Give corrections from clear portions of scriptures if you contest this... |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by damosky12(m): 11:01am On Aug 31, 2018 |
Barristter07:
O ma se o
So all disciples are GOD incarnates too, Almighty Gods , Eeyah .
Millonity will be a better word than trinity don't you think , since your God incarnates are now Millions of disciples !
Were those portions of scripture too difficult for you? See how Paul described the Christian here... 2 Corinthians 6:14-16 [14]Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? [15]And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? [16]And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Among the words in bold, note the believer described as CHRIST, also note the temple of God (the body in which God lives). So much clarity for the ONENESS Jesus spoke about. Can't you see? 1 Corinthians 6:17 [17] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. In the Spirit, the believer is One with God's Spirit. So much so that his body is described as where God stays... Why is this difficult for you? As for the "trinity", it is God (who had always been ONE with His son) choosing to indwell all believers. John 14:23 [23]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Note the " WE", the "OUR". That's the person of God. God in His Son, His Son in Him. It is simply the same God (who became flesh) choosing to indwell each of us. It is the dwelling of this same ONLY God in us is that is referred to throughout scriptures as the Holy Spirit. Why make a fuss about that. Show clear evidences from scriptures if you contest this. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 1:36pm On Aug 31, 2018 |
damosky12:
Try add some plausibility and reasonability to your sarcasm. Is the father confined to "His throne?" I used the word confined.
How could the father be in His throne yet indwell Jesus if He just can't be on His throne and somewhere else at a time?
Don't you think the father will be bound by time. matter and space if we were to go by your assumptions?
I can see the heat is getting too much for you ,
Sorry, the Father has a specific location he dwells .and that is Heaven .
1 Chronicles 6:21 says
then hear from heaven, your dwelling place.
Dwelling place . Am sure you know what that means .
Even Jesus testified by saying our Father IN HEAVEN.
He Prayed to the Father when he was on earth , Only a damaged brain would say he was praying to someone within him.
Through his holy spirit, he could see and know everything going on FROM HEAVEN ( Psalm 139:7) God gave Jesus his holy spirit, evidence that he is with him . NOT literally . let it sink into you, The Father and Hod of Jesus lives in heaven!
When Jesus died, He (who is God Himself in human body) was only separated from the body.
Of course you have to understand that death is separation from the body.
So, what makes Jesus' death real is the fact that he had a body. Hence, His death was material (had to do with matter: his body). Besides, Jesus is only known as Jesus because of the body. It is the body that defines "God putting on flesh". When Jesus died, the body died, He (the Spirit) was.
Hebrews 10:10
[10]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
So asking if God died when Jesus died is absurd.
Give corrections from clear portions of scriptures if you contest this...
One thing is this area would finally get you exposed flawlessly. Shifting post to ordinary body like a typical Plato student ., which part of Jesus is God himself . spirit soul or body ?
Jesus spirit is not the Father - its his breath ( Luke 23:46) , been giving to the Father showed distinct personalities at different location. And its just Breath of life
Matt 20:28, Isaiah 53:11,12 says Jesus soul would die , ( Since you are trying to claim the real Jesus doesn't die , How come the Soul called Jesus died ? Does the Father also died ?
This would expose the whole scam of literal indwelling .
So the question still stands.
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| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Oneboypikin: 1:44pm On Aug 31, 2018 |
OneJ:
Go back & read your mumu post laced with vulgar ,explicitly graphic hate speech.
Are U not a "terrible Judgemental self righteous " bigot?
Pls repent. Jehovah Witness all these ones Returning evil for evil Very good |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Barristter07: 2:02pm On Aug 31, 2018 |
damosky12:
Were those portions of scripture too difficult for you? See how Paul described the Christian here...
2 Corinthians 6:14-16
[14]Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light [] with darkness?
[15]And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth b] with an infidel?
[16]And what agreement hath the temple of God /b] with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Among the words in bold, note the believer described as CHRIST, also note the temple of God (the body in which God lives).
So much clarity for the ONENESS Jesus spoke about. Can't you see?
1 Corinthians 6:17
[17] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
In the Spirit, the believer is One with God's Spirit. So much so that his body is described as where God stays...
Why is this difficult for you?
As for the "trinity", it is God (who had always been ONE with His son) choosing to indwell all believers.
John 14:23
[23]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Note the " WE", the "OUR". That's the person of God. God in His Son, His Son in Him. It is simply the same God (who became flesh) choosing to indwell each of us.
It is the dwelling of this same ONLY God in us is that is referred to throughout scriptures as the Holy Spirit.
Why make a fuss about that.
Show clear evidences from scriptures if you contest this.
Only God is the Father - John 17:3 Since you know the bold as through his spirit, Same applies to Jesus . ( Act 10:38) He has his own will, and his Father has his own will too . Jesus is not the Father ( God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ) . Next time, think twice before you link Exodus 3:14 with your useless I am just because KJV says so. 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by Hairyrapunzel: 3:04pm On Aug 31, 2018 |
Barristter07:
Only God is the Father - John 17:3
Since you know the bold as through his spirit, Same applies to Jesus . ( Act 10:38)
He has his own will, and his Father has his own will too .
Jesus is not the Father ( God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ) .
Next time, think twice before you link Exodus 3:14 with your useless I am just because KJV says so.
Did he say Jesus is the father? No Jesus is God, the Father is God and the Holy spirit is God. You just want to justify your magazine teaching that Jesus came invisibly in 1914 to choose the publishing company/ corporation called watchtower organization as his only true religion on earth. |
| Re: Jehovahs Witnesses that believe they are the only True Christians.Please come in by damosky12(m): 6:58pm On Aug 31, 2018 |
Barristter07:
Only God is the Father - John 17:3
John 1:1 [1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 10:30,33 [30]I and my Father are one. Even the audience got the point simple. [33]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. . Abi, you will say "maketh thyself a god"? LOL
Since you know the bold as through his spirit, Same applies to Jesus . ( Act 10:38)
He has his own will, and his Father has his own will too .
WRONG. The man Jesus is God in human flesh. John 1:1 . He differs from the ordinary believer. See an instance, John 14:23 [23]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Note: WE, OUR... He speaks of He (Jesus and God) indwelling a person... That does not look like a statement from just an ordinary man. Does it? Can a Christian speak of indwelling a person? No. It takes deity. So much clue as to the oneness He has with God, that He is one with Him. As for the will, John 14:10 [10]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Apparently, his will is The Father's will. The Father's will is His. No conflict.
Jesus is not the Father ( God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ) .
He actually is. John 1:1,3 [1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The same one who made all things put on flesh. That is Jesus. John 1:14 [14]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... No contest bro. Take it or keep fighting it |
