bloodofthelamb:


Mary do not have the ability to hear and respond to prayers in heaven. Neither can She intercede for anyone.

The scripture says we have only one mediator and intercessor who ever liveth to intercede(pray) for his people in heaven, the man Jesus Christ.

who told you she can't hear them?

the saints in heaven intercede on our behalf.

solite3:
hail Mary is a prayer directed to Mary not God. prayers are to be directed to God

what part of the prayer is problematic?

.

Gggg102:

who told you she can't hear them?
the saints in heaven intercede on our behalf.

Where is it written that the saints in heaven intercede for us?

bloodofthelamb:

Where is it written that the saints in heaven intercede for us?

revelations.
Jesus also hinted that those in heaven are aware of what goes on on earth.

Gggg102:


revelations.

Jesus also hinted that those in heaven are aware of what goes on on earth.

What chapter of revelation and where did Jesus gave such hint?

bloodofthelamb:

What chapter of revelation and where did Jesus gave such hint?

rev5:8
luke15:7

Gggg102:

rev5:8
luke15:7

I have checked them and did not find anything that support your position.

bloodofthelamb:


Jesus clearly gave us a guide on how to pray in Luke 11. It is in line with how Jesus taught us to pray.

Directing our prayer and request to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)

neither luke 11 or Jesus said to pray to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)
Jesus never said to pray to Himself or to the Holy Ghost or to all three
but to pray specifically to our Father in Heaven:

Luk 11:2  And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 
Luk 11:3  Give us day by day our daily bread. 
Luk 11:4  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

as for 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

that's a blessing from paul, not a prayer to Jesus, God, the Holy Ghost

bloodofthelamb:


I have checked them and did not find anything that support your position.

ok

Gggg102:

what part of the prayer is problematic?

prayers should be made to God

solite3:
prayers should be made to God

Catholics make prayers to God.

Gggg102:

Catholics make prayers to God.

no hail Mary is addressed to Mary.

solite3:
no hail Mary is addressed to Mary.

to ask her to intercede on our behalf.

Gggg102:


to ask her to intercede on our behalf.

so the prayer is to Mary not to God.

johnw47:


neither luke 11 or Jesus said to pray to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)
Jesus never said to pray to Himself or to the Holy Ghost or to all three
but to pray specifically to our Father in Heaven:

Luk 11:2  And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 
Luk 11:3  Give us day by day our daily bread. 
Luk 11:4  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

as for 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

that's a blessing from paul, not a prayer to Jesus, God, the Holy Ghost

Is praying to Jesus Christ unscriptural?

[quote author=solite3 post=71600309] pls this is not a them vs us thread, it is intended to be a discussion thread. [/quote )discussion thread ko. Just leave Catholics alone face your own Church.

solite3:
so the prayer is to Mary not to God.

more like we pray with her.

bloodofthelamb:


Is praying to Jesus Christ unscriptural?

bloodof, you lied to begin with and now you twist - lie - change the subject because your lies were bought to your attention

i of course never said praying to Jesus Christ is unscriptual, whether that be so or not,
that's just you running away yet again from truth

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

don't twist-lie, just address the part of my reply you think is incorrect, if possible for you:

johnw47:

neither luke 11 or Jesus said to pray to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)
Jesus never said to pray to Himself or to the Holy Ghost or to all three
but to pray specifically to our Father in Heaven:

Luk 11:2  And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 
Luk 11:3  Give us day by day our daily bread. 
Luk 11:4  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

as for 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

that's a blessing from paul, not a prayer to Jesus, God, the Holy Ghost

johnw47:


bloodof, you lied to begin with and now you twist - lie - change the subject because your lies were bought to your attention

i of course never said praying to Jesus Christ is unscriptual, whether that be so or not,
that's just you running away yet again from truth

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

don't twist-lie, just address the part of my reply you think is incorrect, if possible for you:

Belove of God! I asked you a straight forward question instead of answering politely, you turn to your normal way accusation and calling of names.

Grow up in your thinking bro.

Gggg102:


more like we pray with her.

why do you direct your prayer to Mary instead of God?
where was it commanded?

bloodofthelamb:


Belove of God! I asked you a straight forward question instead of answering politely, you turn to your normal way accusation and calling of names.

Grow up in your thinking bro.

normal way bro. learn to ignore him.

solite3:
normal way bro. learn to ignore him.

Thank you bro. I have already learned that.

solite3:
normal way bro. learn to ignore him.

people pleaser, supporting man's lies over God's word

bloodofthelamb:


Belove of God! I asked you a straight forward question instead of answering politely, you turn to your normal way accusation and calling of names.

Grow up in your thinking bro.

but you did lie bloodof, you claimed Jesus taught to pray to Himself and the Holy Ghost,
i showed that Jesus taught to pray to the Father

you lied and instead of admitting your lies, you twist and run away from it, as you always do,
and sol supports your lies instead of supporting the truth of what Jesus said,
but that's typical and the way of self righteous, people pleasing, pretend christians

Mat 15:8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 
Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

solite3:
why do you direct your prayer to Mary instead of God?
where was it commanded?

the same reason you ask your pastors, family, friends and other people to pray for you.

solite3:
normal way bro. learn to ignore him.

bloodofthelamb:


Thank you bro. I have already learned that.

really! is that what you two are doing now, ignoring me

you fake christians keep on showing that lies beget more lies

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Gggg102:



the same reason you ask your pastors, family, friends and other people to pray for you.

it is a command to prayer for one another
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

we are to pray to God not to anybody or spirit

solite3:


it is a command to prayer for one another
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

we are to pray to God not to anybody or spirit

and we ask Mary to pray for us also.

Gggg102:

and we ask Mary to pray for us also.

where were you commanded to do such?

bloodofthelamb:


Jesus said, "we shall know the truth and it will make us free."

The absolute truth is important for our liberty and wellbeing.

bloodof, an habitual lie teller as yourself cannot know the truth,
you and your supporter in lies, sol, are blinded to truth:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


you are both self righteous phonies, lying and supporting lies even against Jesus Christ

bloodofthelamb:


Jesus clearly gave us a guide on how to pray in Luke 11. It is in line with how Jesus taught us to pray.

Directing our prayer and request to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)

johnw47:


neither luke 11 or Jesus said to pray to the eternal Godhead(Father, Son and Spirit)
Jesus never said to pray to Himself or to the Holy Ghost or to all three
but to pray specifically to our Father in Heaven:

Luk 11:2  And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 
Luk 11:3  Give us day by day our daily bread. 
Luk 11:4  And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

and you bloodof squirmed away from the truth of the matter that i showed you,
and sol your brother and supporter in lies even against Christ, said to you: "learn to ignore him"

solite3:

where were you commanded to do such?

the same place you were told to ask others to pray for you.